PvP Fitting Thread

[Morat20]

This would probably go better in the private forum, but until I actually get into Bat Country, I can't read the replies there.

So, I want some fititng advice for a Vexxor.

I have the skills to field 5 lights or 5 medium drones at a time, and can range them out to 50+km. I can also field light or medium ECM drones, but if I want to fit more than 2 medium ECMs I have to ditch some of my combat drones.

So here's what I was thinking (this is rough based on my missioning setup, and forgive me if I can't recall the proper medium/low slots).

1600 plate
T2 medium armor rep
Damage Controls I
Decent Afterburner
Cap recharge booster (can't recall the name of it).

Need to replace: I currently run a shield booster (some missions I can even shield tank with that thing) and an invulnerability field. Probably ditch both, freeing up some slots. In the highs I fit two salvagers, a tractor, a small nos, and a remote armor rep. I could throw in a drone link augmentor, but do I really need the other 20k of drone range? I've got scout drones 5/5 and Electronic Warfare drones 3/5.

I was thinking for highs: Keep the small remote armor rep in the turret-less slot. For the other four -- four light nos? Medium/light nos combo? Energy neutralizers?Or should I try to fit medium hybrids? (My gunnery skills aren't great -- maybe 700k sp in gunnery).

Any ideas? I've got my support skills (Electronics, Engineering, Hull Upgrades, Mechanic, etc) all to 5/5, so I'm pretty maxed out in terms of grid and CPU. As long as it doesn't require rigs, if a Vex can fit it I can fit it.

I figure as a Vex pilot with heavy drone skills I can either get close, latch on and do the cruiser version of a Nos Domi (let the drones kill, use the nos to keep the armor tank going) or I can fit guns and go balls-to-the-wall damage.

[Simond]

Can you squeeze a MWD on there in lieu of the AB? Prior to Trinity I'd also say put a RSD or two in there but they're a little weak nowadays. Might as well put a warp scrambler in there as well, tbh - no, you won't be the main tackler but you never know when you'll need just one point on a target.

[Morat20]

Can you squeeze a MWD on there in lieu of the AB? Prior to Trinity I'd also say put a RSD or two in there but they're a little weak nowadays. Might as well put a warp scrambler in there as well, tbh - no, you won't be the main tackler but you never know when you'll need just one point on a target.

Maybe. I'd have to check the fittings -- I've got the basic skill for MWDs (like 1/5) -- but haven't used it. I think the MWD skill reduces cap use, not grid or CPU requirements. If I'm too short, I can probably make some tradeoffs. (Not dumping plate, though. God it's a great armor tank) I can certainly fit a scrambler, though.

I can certainly see where a MWD would come in handy, though.

RSD I don't recognize. What's that?

I could also fit some specific resist plate on there, but I figured that was pretty pointless for PvP.

[Simond]

RSD = Remote Sensor Damper. Reduces enemies scan resolution & targetting range. Used to be the obvious "Welp, I've got a spare midslot - may as well fit something" choice but got nerfed in Trinity.

For resists, look into an EANM paired with your DC. You also might want to try twin small armour reps (named out of preference, TII if you have the skills) instead of a single medium.

[Morat20]

RSD = Remote Sensor Damper. Reduces enemies scan resolution & targetting range. Used to be the obvious "Welp, I've got a spare midslot - may as well fit something" choice but got nerfed in Trinity.

For resists, look into an EANM paired with your DC. You also might want to try twin small armour reps (named out of preference, TII if you have the skills) instead of a single medium.

Oh yeah, EANM's -- I've got an EANM II fitted now (I think), since I'm nowhere near needing rat-specific resists. I could move to twin armor reps (I use a t2 medium now, I'd like to see costs before I spring for T2 anything on a PvP ship for bat country -- I'm certainly not using T2 drones unless someone is giving them away). What does that buy you over using a single medium, though?

A RSD might not be bad. I think I'll scrounge around Verge for the fittings for a cheap PvP Vex, and play with fittings. I can always haul what I buy out to Bat Country.

[Morat20]

Okay, I have a few possibilities:

Armor Tank:
Lows:
Medium armor rep 1
1600 mm Crystalline Plate
EANM
Damage Control 1

Mids:
Warp Scrambler I
Afterburner
Cap Recharger

Highs:
Either 4 small nos/Drone Link Augmenter (subject to price check. Small remote armor repper otherwise) rep OR 4 150mm rails (small hybrid)/1 DLA.

OR I can trade teh 1600 plate for a 800mm plate, change the AB to a 10MN MWD, and fit the DLA and three dual 150mm Rails (medium hybrids) (leaving a high slot open) OR fit the DLA 1 Med Nos and 3 small Nos.

I'm leaning towards the first setup, with probably the 4 small Nos. 4 small rails will screw frigs, true, but I can always dump scout drones for that too.

Any thoughts?

[Slayerik]

   Light Neutron Blaster II x4
   E50 Prototype Energy Vampire 1

   J5 Prototype Warp Inhibitor I 
   X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator 1 
   10MN MicroWarpdrive I

   Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
   Medium Armor Repairer II
   800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
   Damage Control II


Basically, get up in their face...scram and web em....let your drones and light guns chew em up. Kinda depends on what you can run tech 2 wise though, and your fitting skills.

[Morat20]

   Light Neutron Blaster II x4
   E50 Prototype Energy Vampire 1

   J5 Prototype Warp Inhibitor I 
   X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator 1 
   10MN MicroWarpdrive I

   Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
   Medium Armor Repairer II
   800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
   Damage Control II


Basically, get up in their face...scram and web em....let your drones and light guns chew em up. Kinda depends on what you can run tech 2 wise though, and your fitting skills.

If a Vex can fit it, I can fit it -- except possibly on the gun end, since I've on the gunnery end I've got moderate skills with light and medium hybrids and a few supporting skills, and nothing else (I have no idea, without looking, if there are gun skills that reduce cap/grid/cpu requirements for guns). I'm trying to avoid fitting too much T2 stuff since I'd prefer to fly a bit more disposable.

Gunnery skills:
Controlled Bursts 3/5
Gunnery 5/5
Medium Hybrid Turret 2/5
Motion Prediction 2/5
Rapid Firing 3/5
Sharpshooter 2/5
Small Hybrid Turrets 3/5
Weapon Upgrades 2/5

It wouldn't take long to up Battle Cruisers enough to fly a Myrmidion, if you need someone in a BC. I figured a Vex was a little lower-profile and easier to lose while I got the hang of things.

[Slayerik]

Ah gotcha. Honestly, all those fits seem solid in their own way. For me, the dual repper is kinda overkill because without your web the guy is probably going to escape anyway (in a one on one situation). I'd think an 800 or 1600 plate would be the best bang for your buck, throw some drones and light guns on...and go killin :)

[Morat20]

Ah gotcha. Honestly, all those fits seem solid in their own way. For me, the dual repper is kinda overkill because without your web the guy is probably going to escape anyway (in a one on one situation). I'd think an 800 or 1600 plate would be the best bang for your buck, throw some drones and light guns on...and go killin :)

I was going with a single medium repper, 800 or 1600 plate, and defintely a warp disurpter. Or a scrambler. Hell, which is which again?

I like your setup, but I'd probably go with the quad 150mm light rails and see if I can keep the drone link augmentor. Or heck, I could be in Battlecruisers inside of two hours. :)

[Slayerik]

Ah gotcha. Honestly, all those fits seem solid in their own way. For me, the dual repper is kinda overkill because without your web the guy is probably going to escape anyway (in a one on one situation). I'd think an 800 or 1600 plate would be the best bang for your buck, throw some drones and light guns on...and go killin :)

I was going with a single medium repper, 800 or 1600 plate, and defintely a warp disurpter. Or a scrambler. Hell, which is which again?

I like your setup, but I'd probably go with the quad 150mm light rails and see if I can keep the drone link augmentor. Or heck, I could be in Battlecruisers inside of two hours. :)

Disrupter is 20k, scram is 7500.

Depending on your drone skills, Brutix may be the way to go. Nothing like throwing on a bunch of turrets and saying hi to someone. With the armor rep bonus and a 50m3 drone bay, it is damn solid.

[Morat20]

Disrupter is 20k, scram is 7500.

Depending on your drone skills, Brutix may be the way to go. Nothing like throwing on a bunch of turrets and saying hi to someone. With the armor rep bonus and a 50m3 drone bay, it is damn solid.

Combat Drone Operation 4/5
Drone Durability 4/5
Drone Interfacing 5/5
Drone Navigation 5/5
Drone Sharpshooting 5/5
Drones 5/5
Electronic Warfare Drone Interfacing 4/5
Gallente Drone Specialization 4/5
Heavy Drone Operation 0/5
Mining Drone Operation 5/5
Scout Drone Operation 5/5

Hehe. Drones are fun. Does the scram work better, being short range?

[Slayerik]

Puts on 2 points instead of one...so, yes.

But i never use them, range is of more import.

[Morat20]

Puts on 2 points instead of one...so, yes.

But i never use them, range is of more import.

So the disrupter it is. I might drop to 800mm plate so I can employ 4x150mm rails (light hybrids). I can then disrupt and deal out damage via drones. If no one is shooting at me, I can use the rails for additional damage (rails are long range, blasters are short, right? It's been awhile!).

Should be a pretty cheap setup.

[Thrawn]

Should be a pretty cheap setup.

That's the highlight of this Wardec so far, low skill point noobs and/or cheap ships blowing up veteran characters flying multi-hundreds of millions of ISK ships. 

[Morat20]

Should be a pretty cheap setup.

That's the highlight of this Wardec so far, low skill point noobs and/or cheap ships blowing up veteran characters flying multi-hundreds of millions of ISK ships. 

I'm looking forward to getting involved. I'll probably fly all over creation tonight getting the rest of my scattered goods up on the market, and then see about switching to Reg's corp to get a jump clone. Then I guess put together something close to that setup together in the Jita area, and then go visit the Bat Country offices.

It's stupid, but I'm just totally unwilling to go play PvP until those sell orders are up, mostly because I suspect I won't be back "home" for awhile.

[dwindlehop]

Morat, if there ever was a pilot born to run 2x heavy, 2x medium, and 1x light, it's you. Don't muck around with ECM or 5x medium. Get heavy skills up to IV and the new named heavies which do extra damage and go to town. Then finish Heavy V and have a ball. :)

[Endie]

Combat Drone Operation 4/5
Drone Durability 4/5
Drone Interfacing 5/5
Drone Navigation 5/5
Drone Sharpshooting 5/5
Drones 5/5
Electronic Warfare Drone Interfacing 4/5
Gallente Drone Specialization 4/5
Heavy Drone Operation 0/5
Mining Drone Operation 5/5
Scout Drone Operation 5/5

Drone Interfacing V?  Ouch.  If I was an inty pilot facing you in a vexor I would run like hell.  And if you train heavies up to four each of them will be hitting like a small cruiser.  That is terrifying damage potential, especially in a domi.

[Simond]

That was the hilarious thing about the Myrmidon bandwidth 'nerf' - sure, a BC being able to field 5 heavies was overpowered but now it's little more than a Vexor with a more armour at six to eight times the cost.

[Reg]

Yup, I've stopped building myrmidons entirely - or at least until people stop selling them at cost. Demand has dropped way down but my witless competitors are producing as if people still wanted them.

[Viin]

Anyone know off the top of their head how far drones will go to reach a target? 40km?

[bhodi]

Base of 20km, plus 3k per level of EW drone operation. (EW drones)
Base of 20km, plus 5k per level of scout drone operation. (All other drones)

Plus a drone link augmenter (high slot, 50cpu 1mw) adds 20km

Morat's drone skills make me drool. That's an impressive amount of damage and skills. You should look at and do the math for Advanced Drone Interfacing, get a dominix, fill your high slots with Drone Control Units and go to town.. Oh hey, that's for carriers. 7500 cpu. Ugh.

Eve-Mon estimates 96 days for just the basics - Drones, Drone interfacing, navigation, sharpshooting, durability, combat drone, scout drone V
Only 26 days to get them to IV, except for drones V. I'll be working on that soon enough.

[Viin]

My drone skills aren't that bad, but I haven't messed with drones all that much. Was starting in on the EW drone skills awhile ago haven't actually used them.

Combat Drone Operation - level 4
Drone Interfacing - level 5
Drone Navigation - level 4
Drone Sharpshooting - level 2
Drones - level 5
Electronic Warfare Drone Interfacing - level 3
Heavy Drone Operation - level 3
Mining Drone Operation - level 3
Scout Drone Operation - level 4

So, 20km + 5*4 (20) = 40km. Should be OK for what I'm thinking.

[Reg]

If you use sentry drones your range extends to about 80km. I use sentries more often than I do heavies.

[Slayerik]

My drones skills...

Drones 5
Drone Interfacing 5
Heavy Drone Operation 5
Scout Drone 5
Combat Drone 5
Gallente Drone Spec 4
Navigation (training to 5)
Sharpshooting 4
Dura 4

Sentries are the only thing I really need to work on. But I don't camp much so ... meh.


Dont even get me started on Gunnery 

[Simond]

Base of 20km, plus 3k per level of EW drone operation. (EW drones)

Go re-read the EW Drones skill description.  



Too slow!
VVVVVVV

[Endie]

My drone skills aren't that bad, but I haven't messed with drones all that much. Was starting in on the EW drone skills awhile ago haven't actually used them.

Combat Drone Operation - level 4
Drone Interfacing - level 5
Drone Navigation - level 4
Drone Sharpshooting - level 2
Drones - level 5
Electronic Warfare Drone Interfacing - level 3
Heavy Drone Operation - level 3
Mining Drone Operation - level 3
Scout Drone Operation - level 4

So, 20km + 5*4 (20) = 40km. Should be OK for what I'm thinking.

He has Electronic Warfare Drone Interfacing: that gives him another 9 km per level as well.

[Morat20]

Morat, if there ever was a pilot born to run 2x heavy, 2x medium, and 1x light, it's you. Don't muck around with ECM or 5x medium. Get heavy skills up to IV and the new named heavies which do extra damage and go to town. Then finish Heavy V and have a ball. :)

My problem with running 2 heavies/2 mediums/1 light is wouldn't that take forever to kill small ships? I only dump the 5 lights now for the fast frigs, I use the mediums on everything else. I certainly could run a 2xheavy, 2xmedium, 1xlight combo for the PvP setup. (I actually have the rigs schematics for increasing drone damage, range, and I think speed -- haven't built rigs for it yet. Planned to fit one drone rig and a cap recharger rig for my Domi).

Bhodi: I have great drone skills because I start and stop so often, and I wanted drones since the beginning. I sucked for a long time, but all that offline skilling really adds up, especially with EVE-Mon nagging me when a skill needs changeover. It'd be a lot higher (I've had a character for two+ years now), but I don't stay subbed the entire time. Defintely NOT the best way for a new character, as I spent a ton of time with learning skills and then drone skills. One reason I tooled around in an Incursus and now a Vexxor for so long -- all my cash went to skillbooks.

Still, I think Incursus remains my favorite frig. :)

[dwindlehop]

Well, I guess 2/2/1 vs. 5/5  boils down to your target list.

Also, AB in PvP is pretty pointless. Everyone else has a MWD and will outdistance you. Fit a MWD/web/point with 2/2/1 drones and whatever tank/gank you care to have in your highs/lows and you're set.

[Morat20]

Well, I guess 2/2/1 vs. 5/5  boils down to your target list.

Also, AB in PvP is pretty pointless. Everyone else has a MWD and will outdistance you. Fit a MWD/web/point with 2/2/1 drones and whatever tank/gank you care to have in your highs/lows and you're set.

Good thing to know on MWD -- my mission-only lifestyle is hindering me here. :) You think 2/2/1 for PvP is the best setup? I'll put training a bit of Heavy Drones and MWD (I could use the cap reduction) on the list.

So I could use this setup:
Highs:
3x150m Railguns w/Antimatter charges
1xSmall Remote Armor Rep (helps to rebuild drones after fights and I couldn't fit a fourth gun)
1xSalvager (heck, why not. It's all I can fit.)

Mediums:
10MN Microwarpdrive I
Warp Disrupter I
Cap Recharger I

Lows:
Damage Control 1
1600mm Reinforced Crystalline Plates
Medium Armor Rep I
Energized Basic Adaptive Nano Plating

That gives me, with all guns firing, 226 DPS from drones (2/2/1) and 114 from guns, a targeting range of 63km (not sure what the railguns range is -- 10 to 12km is optimal, IIRC) and I can keep a tank going for 1 m 31 seconds if the MWD isn't going, a minute 5 if I'm using the warp disrupter, while firing. Shut down the guns I can go 2 minutes. MWD, of course, eats cap.

Got a top speed of 1165 m/s with the MWD going.

Cap of 1172
Shields: 1466, Armor 6731, Hull 1856
Resists (shield/armor): EM 7.5%/69%, Thermal 26%/50%, Kinetic 44.5%/50%, Explosive: 63%/30%.

I think that's workable.

[dwindlehop]

2/2/1 is good. I suppose one factor to consider is whether you're bringing T2 smalls and medums but T1 heavies. If you were going to bring all T1, I'd always bring 2/2/1 because Warrior I's don't go fast enough to bring down interceptors anyway. 5x Hammerhead IIs are pretty up there in dps compared to 2xOgre I, 2x Hammerhead II, 1x Hobgoblin II, so maybe that's still an open issue. And it appears from EFT that the best named Ogres require T2 drone skills anyway, which is bogus. I thought you were going to be able to run best named Ogres and do crazy dps. :P

[Simond]

Well, I guess 2/2/1 vs. 5/5  boils down to your target list.

Also, AB in PvP is pretty pointless. Everyone else has a MWD and will outdistance you. Fit a MWD/web/point with 2/2/1 drones and whatever tank/gank you care to have in your highs/lows and you're set.

MWDs are also useful for getting out of bubbles/burning back to gates.

[Morat20]

2/2/1 is good. I suppose one factor to consider is whether you're bringing T2 smalls and medums but T1 heavies. If you were going to bring all T1, I'd always bring 2/2/1 because Warrior I's don't go fast enough to bring down interceptors anyway. 5x Hammerhead IIs are pretty up there in dps compared to 2xOgre I, 2x Hammerhead II, 1x Hobgoblin II, so maybe that's still an open issue. And it appears from EFT that the best named Ogres require T2 drone skills anyway, which is bogus. I thought you were going to be able to run best named Ogres and do crazy dps. :P

I run 5xHammerhead IIs and 5xHobgoblin IIs now, but I don't think I could afford the losses doing that in PvP -- not unless they're a LOT cheaper then where I am in the boonies.

I'm trying for "cheap" -- I might be able to afford running 5xHammerhead 2s,  especially if someone promises to pick them up if I get podded. :)

[Faust]

Slayerick,

Care to throw me your opinion on a cheap (aka disposable) Rifters for a) Solo PvP and b) Group PvP?  I've seen a lot of fits out there but most of them are old pre-nurf items.  I'm working up a small fleet of Rifters to throw away learning the ropes at PvP (and train for Interceptors).  Skills are still in training so nothing exotic, plz.

Kin Rha

[lac]

i'm going with 3x ac + rocket
scram / web / mwd
small armor rep / stuff that fits

please advise :)