Join your fellow F13ers as militant deep-space warriors!

[Endie]

First problem: the scorpion I'd called as primary simply didn't aggress: it waited for a bit then docked up (in retrospect I think Bhodii jammed it out of the fight so it never got the chance to aggress!)

Um. Oops. That was totally my fault. I instajammed him, he was the first one I locked. I didn't want him getting a jam off on me so he was my first.

No need to apologise: you did awesomely keeping him locked down and out the fight.

The fault was mine: I tell everyone how a newish character can keep an expensive battleship flown by a years-old character out of the fight and then I underestimate what you could.  As it is, it was a perfect example of how newbies in ewar ships can help dismantle fleets.

[IainC]

Agony Unleashed run a fantastic series of courses on EvE PvP. The PvP basic shows how a bunch of noobs in cheap frigates can make vets in faction fitted battleships cry and then they go on to more advanced classes such as wolfpack (destroyers), fleet command, cov-ops etc. Once you've graduated from a class you can attend that class as often as you like in future as an alumni free of charge subject to spaces being available. Access to the course materials alone is worth the price of entry and the full night of PvP in a fleet that consistently wins is just gravy. When I say 'full night' I mean just that, they usually start in the late evening and carry on right through to downtime.

[Endie]

Agony Unleashed run a fantastic series of courses on EvE PvP.

Those look really good fun, and an absolute snip at 7 million.  I'd be in favour of sponsoring members who wanted to go on the next one with some of Snee's gift.

[IainC]

They also run corp classes so if you get enough guys together they'll run the course just for you.

[Endie]

Here's a video one of them made of their last basic pvp course.  Looks like a good tip, Iain.

[Falconeer]

I am interested! I didn't attend a single class/course/lesson in the last 13 years which makes me eager to get back to school 

[Draegan]

Joined the Corp last night.  Can't wait to get into the muck.

[Special J]

Last night I re-subbed.  So I liquidated most of my assets and packed the rest of my bits into the trunk of my Vexor, the Indecency.  25 jumps later ( ) I'm in Olo.

I didn't see a BAT office there to apply. Or should I be applying to f13?

[Endie]

Last night I re-subbed.  So I liquidated most of my assets and packed the rest of my bits into the trunk of my Vexor, the Indecency.  25 jumps later ( ) I'm in Olo.

I didn't see a BAT office there to apply. Or should I be applying to f13?

This was my retarded fault in the OP and I've updated it to save anyone else lengthy and pointless journeys.

Apply at Eram VIII - Moon 13 - Sebiester tribe Bureau.  We also have an office at Sankassen but it is usually surrounded by a swarm of annoyed, enemy ravens.

[Raging Turtle]

I feel the need to mention Eve's economy here; it's by far the deepest in ANY MMO on the market.  And when I say 'by far', I mean 100x deeper than any other game.  The WoW auction house is the lemonade stand to Eve's Wall Street (I may have stolen that line from someone, can't remember).  

You can build ships or thousands of other necessary modules for combat pilots, you can 'invent' advanced blueprints to build the most advanced (and expensive) ships and modules, you can haul pretty much anything - ships, minerals, implants, skill books, garbage, exotic dancers (not joking on the those last two), etc., from one place to another in that age old custom of buying low and selling high.  Once you really know what you're doing and have some isk to flex, you can actually just stay in one place and manipulate market hubs by buying up all of the available items of one type and reselling them for twice as much.  Of course, that's assuming none of the other traders figure out what you're doing and trying to undercut you...

There's a few of us F13ers who play the market game exclusively, or almost exclusively, and have become very, very rich in in-game terms, to the point where we don't even need to pay for the game with real money any more; we can buy time cards using in-game isk.  There's one forumer here who started out with something like 5 million or 10m isk - a somewhat small but not completely negligible amount - and turned it into 1 BILLION isk in under a month, more than most combat pilots make in six months to a year.  He's now part of the 'trading elite' that tend to dominate the Market Discussions forum on the official forums.

Becoming competitive in the Eve markets is not an easy thing to do.  It certainly takes more time to learn how to turn a profit, and in many ways the competition is more cutthroat than any ship-to-ship pvp.  But if you like playing with advanced economic simulators and are willing to invest some time, then you owe it to yourself to download the trial and try it out.

[Morat20]

[economic stuff]

Fleecing mission runners is always good. Way things work is with a bit of time invested in trade skills (not much at all, really) you can set up buy orders -- up to region wide. Take a common rat drop for the area, one that people sell for maybe 50k to 500k. If there are no buy orders out in the region for it (or the ones that are out are don't cover the region) place a region-wide, 3-month buy order for that module at maybe 500 or 5k. (Decimal point games are fun!).

Lots of mission runners will just sell it to the first buy order they trigger (which is the highest price one they can see). The downside, of course, is that all your bought good end up at stations all over the region. I've spent about 5 hours slowly picking up the remnants of 6 months of multiple buy orders. On the nice side, I have 300 to 500 unit stacks of named T1 stuff that sells for 500k a piece, and I paid at most 5k.

It's not the giant profit factory that heavy-duty trading is, but it's nice "fire and forget" trading (just check your buy orders to see if some jerk has released a similar one but for 1 penny more, the fuck). Plus, you only have to travel every once in awhile.

And if you're running missions, for God's sake -- check the advanced market details so you don't sell a 500k module for 500 to someone like me. :)

[Endie]

I'm putting this here because not everyone has access to the private forums yet, whereas a bunch of people are reading this.  We can actually plan specifics about exact departure locations and times in private later.

For a change of pace, how about a suicidal frigate roaming gang into 0.0?  We can load up on ewarn points and webs and fly around til we find stuff either to blow up or be blown up by.  Ideally Slay could run it - his last roaming gang was fun and successful - but if he can't then I or someone else could instead.  We could also go over stuff like bookmarks and safespots, use of TS, overview settings, aligning and gang-warping and other stuff like that if people are interested in learning the basics of gang warfare and pvp stuff.

Saturday or Sunday evening eve time would seem best, but we could adjust for when people can make it most easily.

[Falconeer]

I am in! I am in!
Reckless  PvP  is the point for me. Even more since I found out (again) that missions are incredibly boring.



P.S: Still no secret war forum access here.

[Valmorian]

Holy crap this game is complex.  I got into the game pretty easily, and the tutorial showed me how to do some basic stuff, but now that I'm done the first part I'm a bit baffled about what I should do.


Also, does combat get any better than EQ style auto-attack???

[Hoax]

Combat in EVE is insanely complicated some of the time, other times its EQ auto-attack without spells/skills.  Depends on what your role is and what type of combat your engaging in really.  Also the fitting minigame and locating/baiting/ambushing/camping targets minigame is usually a big chunk of things when it comes to combat.

[Valmorian]

I just can't help but weep for the missed potential of this game.  If only you actually piloted the ships and had somewhat twitch based combat where you aimed, it would be nearly perfect..

[Yegolev]

and mining in high-sec is about as interesting and profitable as watching paint dry.

You're mining the wrong stuff.  Still boring, though.  Unless they removed all empire ice....

[IainC]

I just can't help but weep for the missed potential of this game.  If only you actually piloted the ships and had somewhat twitch based combat where you aimed, it would be nearly perfect..

If you ever get into a largish battle or a fight in any busy system (hi2u Jita!) then you'll fall on your knees and praise the Lord of Kittens that the game isn't like that.

30,000 people all trying to play Rogue Squadron on the same server?

Network code says no...

[Valmorian]

If you ever get into a largish battle or a fight in any busy system (hi2u Jita!) then you'll fall on your knees and praise the Lord of Kittens that the game isn't like that.

30,000 people all trying to play Rogue Squadron on the same server?

Network code says no...

I'd rather they avoid that possibility artificially and have a good spaceflight sim MMO.  It's a crime that such a beautiful game is so dry with respect to the subject matter itself.

[Slayerik]

I'm putting this here because not everyone has access to the private forums yet, whereas a bunch of people are reading this.  We can actually plan specifics about exact departure locations and times in private later.

For a change of pace, how about a suicidal frigate roaming gang into 0.0?  We can load up on ewarn points and webs and fly around til we find stuff either to blow up or be blown up by.  Ideally Slay could run it - his last roaming gang was fun and successful - but if he can't then I or someone else could instead.  We could also go over stuff like bookmarks and safespots, use of TS, overview settings, aligning and gang-warping and other stuff like that if people are interested in learning the basics of gang warfare and pvp stuff.

Saturday or Sunday evening eve time would seem best, but we could adjust for when people can make it most easily.

The only reason that was successful is we stumbled upon a gate camp that was fightable. Nothing I did in that fight made any difference, as I got popped by the destroyer and cerb in like 10 seconds. Basically, my rule for PVP is usually "Fire up map. Look at Average number of players in space at 0.0 gateways. As long as it isnt 10 plus, you probably have a decent fight there. If you do pick a fight, and win...then you look for a spot in 0.0 that has like 1-5 guys. Fly that way. You might run into something along the way, or a bubble camp and get owned, but its decent fun and good experience.

Some 0.0 gateways in the North

m-o
p3en
ec-
93pi
BWF
AD-
EOA

or find your own at:

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/ombey/Eve_Regions.pdf





I say this rather than just lead it Saturday because my grandfather is in town from Seattle and I'll be busy tomorrow.

[ajax34i]

I'm in for the frigate roaming gang.  Can fly Caldari frigs.

As for...

I'd rather they avoid that possibility artificially and have a good spaceflight sim MMO.  It's a crime that such a beautiful game is so dry with respect to the subject matter itself.

Space flight sims have been a dead genre for a while.  If the single-player genre is dead, I don't see how anyone would even consider making a MMO.   Sucks that it's like Firefly, in that it seems there are a lot of fans, but in reality not enough people are interested to make it profitable.

Freelancer sucked.  I want a Freespace 2 or Iwar-2 -like game with joystick control!  Single player or multi, don't care.  Oh well, not gonna get it.

[LC]

I put in an app. Should be pretty obvious which one is me.

[Morat20]

I just can't help but weep for the missed potential of this game.  If only you actually piloted the ships and had somewhat twitch based combat where you aimed, it would be nearly perfect..

Naval model works better, I think. Although if you fit up an interceptor with MWDs and nanos, I think that comes pretty darn close to twitchy.

[qedetc]

So hey!  Couple questions, because it's been forever since I played Eve, and I played it for a relatively short amount of time.  I just recall thinking the economy was awesome.

1)  I saw someone in that other thread mention contracts in Eve.  Is this an established system integrated into the game, or just a widespread player phenomenon.  And uh, exactly what is contracted?  I don't remember this at all.

2)  What's the going rate as far as isk for a 30 or 90 day time card?

3)  Did they copy over that smooth ribbon interface when Excel 2007 came out?  LOL SPREADSHEETS but seriously I like what Microsoft has done.

Anyway, stop tempting me with delicious Eve threads, I have things to do.

[LC]

1)  I saw someone in that other thread mention contracts in Eve.  Is this an established system integrated into the game, or just a widespread player phenomenon.  And uh, exactly what is contracted?  I don't remember this at all.

2)  What's the going rate as far as isk for a 30 or 90 day time card?

3)  Did they copy over that smooth ribbon interface when Excel 2007 came out?  LOL SPREADSHEETS but seriously I like what Microsoft has done.

1) It's integrated into the game. Items(trade or sell), auctions, loans, and package deliveries.
2) 180 mil for a 30 day or 420 mil for a 90 day.
3) no

[Endie]

If you are really into trying out the industrial side of the game, take a look at Eve Meep, the worst-named add-on yet for the game.  It has tools of varying usefulness: calculators for BPO research, T1 and T2 manufacturing, invention and more.

[Special J]

This was my retarded fault in the OP and I've updated it to save anyone else lengthy and pointless journeys.

Apply at Eram VIII - Moon 13 - Sebiester tribe Bureau.  We also have an office at Sankassen but it is usually surrounded by a swarm of annoyed, enemy ravens.

Ah ok. I'll head to Eram and make the app.

[LC]

So does anyone approve apps in -BAT-?

[Endie]

So does anyone approve apps in -BAT-?

One man, and one man only (and it isn't me).

[Triforcer]

I'm downloading the demo.  I'm more of a lone wolf when it comes to PvP, but I'll try the piratey group thing...

[Falconeer]

If I got it right, you can PvP alone very well in EVE. It's just that it'll take you more time skilling and making money to be good at it.

[Strazos]

Hey guys, thinking about jumping back in for a month or two. Unfortunately, I have a few problems.

1) Time. I don't have tons of it anymore. I'm also on EST, and I'm not sure at what times you guys operate.

2) Money. Last I checked, I didn't have tons. Or much at all; I wasn't really a market guy, and I never really got the hang of doing mission running efficiently. But why is this such a huge problem? Well...

Upside: I own a Raven, a Ferox, and a few other things. The first two ships are fairly well-fitted. Unfortunately, I am sure the insurance has lapsed on both ships.

Also, my character has....quite a number of skill points on him. As in, if I had kept playing, I could have gotten into Dreads fairly soon. I'm very good at shooting missiles as well.

What can you guys do for me? I'd really like to get back in and help with the PvP. My only experience with PvP has been especially boring, so I'm not too experienced with it.

[Endie]

We have a bunch of cruisers and frigates in the hangar, thanks to our glorious leader's industriousness and generosity.  Thanks to Snee's billion, and much small contributions from others of us, as well as some of the protection money paid by our last victims to us ("Hey, nice corp you got here, shame if someone was to accidentally shoot all your miners in a horrific and prolonged accident...") we have a pretty generous policy on losses in pvp.  Someone else will have to give you the details, though: I forget.

[Samwise]

All right, I bit the bullet and have signed up for the 14-day trial.  After I've spent some time wandering around the newbie stuff I'll come hang out with the cool kids.

[Viin]

So does anyone approve apps in -BAT-?

I haven't seen an application from you. What char name?