Cautiously optimistic about AVP2.

[WindupAtheist]

I know it's probably discussed elsewhere, but whatever.

Trailer.
First five minutes.

At least they listened to the cries of "WTF PG-13?!" that arose from the last one.  This one obviously won't be in the same league as the first two Alien flicks or the original Predator, but I'm hoping it turns out to be fun in a Predator 2 or Alien 4 sort of way.  I mean, as long as there are aliens and predators ripping each other's shit up with lots of swearing and graphic violence, it ought to at least be watchable.

[schild]

I kind of like the premise. And Predator has always, always been a guilty pleasure for me.

[Velorath]

I know it's probably discussed elsewhere, but whatever.

Trailer.
First five minutes.

At least they listened to the cries of "WTF PG-13?!" that arose from the last one.  This one obviously won't be in the same league as the first two Alien flicks or the original Predator, but I'm hoping it turns out to be fun in a Predator 2 or Alien 4 sort of way.  I mean, as long as there are aliens and predators ripping each other's shit up with lots of swearing and graphic violence, it ought to at least be watchable.

As I mentioned elsewhere, there seems to be very little point in watching the movie, after seeing the trailer.

[schild]

Eh? It's action porn.

[Velorath]

Eh? It's action porn.

Yeah, but all the best bits seem to be compiled into the first trailer that they put up online.  The only thing you're going to get out of actually watching the movie are all the needless bits of plot you have to endure between the scenes with face melting, chest bursting, and head exploding.

[Margalis]

You like the premise of Aliens and Predators in modern-day earth killing Wal-Mart customers?

[Ironwood]

Awesome.  I am totally guilt-free about my Predator pleasures.

I'll be there.

[DraconianOne]

Far keener on seeing this monster-mash than Cloverfield.

[Kirth]

Love it. Can't be disappointed.

[Ironwood]

Love it. Can't be disappointed.

You people have GOT to stop saying shit like this.

[Miasma]

It looks kind of low budget.  As in "just pump out a sequel on the cheap" budget.

[Zetleft]

Yeah that movie screams CRAP whenever I see a trailer.  Probably be a nice gore splatterfest but not on par with Alien or Aliens (or either of the predators really) so I'll see it when its free. 

[Teleku]

All they really need to do is make a damn AvP movie set in the actual Aliens universe, with a Preditor/Alien/Space Marine 3 way clusterfuck of death and awesomeness.  You know, LIKE ALL THE ACTUAL LORE FOR IT OTHER THAN THE MOVIES.

But I suppose that would take a budget.

[HaemishM]

FFS, why do they bother setting these things on modern-day earth? Futuristic space marines getting caught between aliens and predators on some distant world is about a billion times more interesting than either AVP movies.

[schild]

Futuristic Space Marines is more interesting than normal people having to deal with horrible shit?

Not. Even. In. The. Least. Bit.

Generic sci-fi sucks balls.

[stray]

Agreed. These have always made better horror films than sci-fi ones. Better to just play to that.

Also, space marines suck in general. I have no sympathy for them. I WANT them to die.

[Zetleft]

Hollywood always thinks they can come up with something better then other established media put out there on any subject.  They of course have their heads up their asses as usual.

Plus like what was said earlier they will do what they can to keep the budget down to nothing hoping fanbois will still come out and see what drek they come up with and turn a profit. 

[Lantyssa]

FFS, why do they bother setting these things on modern-day earth? Futuristic space marines getting caught between aliens and predators on some distant world is about a billion times more interesting than either AVP movies.

This sounds like some game I've heard of.

[schild]

FFS, why do they bother setting these things on modern-day earth? Futuristic space marines getting caught between aliens and predators on some distant world is about a billion times more interesting than either AVP movies.

This sounds like some game I've heard of.

Puzzle Pirates.

Glad to be of service.

[HaemishM]

Futuristic Space Marines is more interesting than normal people having to deal with horrible shit?

Yes. When it comes to the Aliens/Predator movies, yes yes yes. Aliens >>>> Aliens 3 & Aliens 4 combined. Predator >>>>> Predator 2

[stray]

The central characters in Aliens were "normal people". Aliens 3 and 4 were more marine centric (and Ripley was far more militant by that point).

[Ironwood]

Futuristic Space Marines is more interesting than normal people having to deal with horrible shit?

Yes. When it comes to the Aliens/Predator movies, yes yes yes. Aliens >>>> Aliens 3 & Aliens 4 combined. Predator >>>>> Predator 2

I disagree.  Not that they weren't, er, 'better' films, but that the comparison is fair.

I'm a little drunk.  Can we discuss this when I'm sober ?  How's Never for you ?  Is Never good ?

[Riggswolfe]

The central characters in Aliens were "normal people". Aliens 3 and 4 were more marine centric (and Ripley was far more militant by that point).

Uhh....did you watch the movies? Aliens was marines. Aliens 3 was convicts. Aliens 4 was smugglers/criminals and Ripley.

[Lakov_Sanite]

I like to think people are missing the point.  It's not about 'space' marines, so much as humans that can go toe to toe with these monsters out of sheer badassness.  Arnold made predator great, so did the marines in aliens. A lot of alien 3-4 was about ripley being badass but lets face it, no one found her a convincing action star, a strong heroine perhaps but not an action star. 

Whether AVP2 is set in space, on land, on sea or in the phantom zone, people want to see the human side represented by some general ass-kicking. They tried this in the first AVP but it felt forced I think and no one felt the black girl made a convincing transition.

In short, three-way slugfest, if this can be accomplished the minutia of the setting matters not one whit.

[DraconianOne]

In short, three-way slugfest, if this can be accomplished the minutia of the setting matters not one whit.

That's right.  Because if Alien had been set in downtown L.A. rather than a cramped, claustrophobia inducing spaceship, it'd have been exactly the same film.  If Aliens had been set in the Egyptian desert surrounded by pyramids rather than on an alien planet with a thermonuclear powerplant about to go boom, it would have been exactly the same film.  If Predator had been set in the Nakatomi plaza rather than the jungle, it would have been exactly the same film. 

[stray]

The central characters in Aliens were "normal people". Aliens 3 and 4 were more marine centric (and Ripley was far more militant by that point).

Uhh....did you watch the movies? Aliens was marines. Aliens 3 was convicts. Aliens 4 was smugglers/criminals and Ripley.

I said central characters. Ripley is the sole-surviving-central-this-movie-is-all-about-me-character in Aliens. The protagonist. And she's the most normal, feeble one of the bunch. Which is why it's that much more interesting than most action or horror heroes (especially before it). But if you think it's Private Vasquez, or anyone else, then I don't know what to say other than that you have no real appreciation for what that movie is trying to communicate.

As for 3 or 4, you're taking me too literally. Yes, they're convicts and smugglers instead of marines, but I'm just talking about militant type. Everyone in those films, including Ripley, were asskickers prepared for a fight. Asskickers. That a better word than space marines?

[Kirth]

Love it. Can't be disappointed.

You people have GOT to stop saying shit like this.

Shrug, it will live up to every expectation I have, I don't care if it has horrible acting/dialog/plot. I wanna see some aliens and predators duke it out. You people need to get over yourself because someone might enjoy something you would consider beneath you.

[eldaec]

I have no issue with the setting being Earth, but I do think it is a bit silly to have random shmucks able to hold their own against the A&Ps, when in the earlier films, humans with the advantage of uber technology and military training couldn't keep up.

[DraconianOne]

I have no issue with the setting being Earth, but I do think it is a bit silly to have random shmucks able to hold their own against the A&Ps, when in the earlier films, humans with the advantage of uber technology and military training couldn't keep up.

From all the clips I've seen (trailers, footage etc) I don't think the random shmucks are able to hold their own against the A&Ps.  There's an awful lot of exploding heads, melting faces and cheerleaders impaled to walls by oversized predator shuriken going on.  Not that I know the ending but I get the impression from the first trailer that the army agree with Ripley and that they should nuke the site from orbit as the only way to be sure.

Anyway, how can it not be good:  there are soldiers, there are aliens and there's one predator taking them all on.  It's already superceding the first one by being R-rated and there's kids getting facehugged, people getting sprayed with acid, shoulder cannon headshots and Reiko Aylesworth (as a marine back from Iraq) taking part in a wet t-shirt vest competition while firing a fucking big gun.

How can this not be good?*


*When I say good, I obviously mean entertaining-after-a-few-beers-with-your-mates good and not like oscar-worthy, philosophically-thought-provoking, analogy-for-the-human-condition good.

[WindupAtheist]

The central characters in Aliens were "normal people". Aliens 3 and 4 were more marine centric (and Ripley was far more militant by that point).

People want the Colonial Marines back because Aliens was the best movie in the series, and because the "regular guys who bitch about the cold floor and shitty food but still kick fucking ass" characterizations in that movie are what everything to come after has been sorely lacking.  At least that's why I'd like them back.  But then I realize that Colonial Marines by some hack director won't be as likeable as those by James Cameron.

And aliens loose in small-town Nebraska, or whatever, just doesn't feel right.  It feels like "Movie monsters go on a rampage in real life!" instead of a regular monster movie.

[Margalis]

It's just a slasher flick with Aliens. That's what it looks like to me anyway.

The sci-fi setting was neat but more than that the overall atmosphere, setting and characterization was well-done in Alien and Aliens. The new atmosphere is pretty much your typical gore fest, just an upgraded version of what you see on the Sci-Fi channel.

[schild]

The central characters in Aliens were "normal people". Aliens 3 and 4 were more marine centric (and Ripley was far more militant by that point).

People want the Colonial Marines back because Aliens was the best movie in the series, and because the "regular guys who bitch about the cold floor and shitty food but still kick fucking ass" characterizations in that movie are what everything to come after has been sorely lacking.  At least that's why I'd like them back.  But then I realize that Colonial Marines by some hack director won't be as likeable as those by James Cameron.

And aliens loose in small-town Nebraska, or whatever, just doesn't feel right.  It feels like "Movie monsters go on a rampage in real life!" instead of a regular monster movie.

Danny Glover was the best thing in any of the aliens or predators. He could not be described as a marine. Just an old black survivalist. And he fucking rocked.

[Abagadro]

Danny Glover was the best thing in any of the aliens or predators.

*cough*

[Teleku]

Agreed. These have always made better horror films than sci-fi ones. Better to just play to that.

Also, space marines suck in general. I have no sympathy for them. I WANT them to die.

I dare you to say that to the Space Marines face!!


But seriously, you have to be the only person I know that thinks Aliens wasn't entirely about Space Marines.

And Predator 2 was awesome.  Danny Glover and Gary Busey fighting a killer Alien with a razor net gun?  Win.

[Evildrider]

I've liked all the Alien and Predator movies to date.  AvP would probably be the biggest suck of the bunch, but it was still fun to watch for what it was.  AvP was too watered down, compared to the rest of the other movies, and it seems like they've gone back to the old ways with AvP:R.

I think with both the franchises, when it comes down to it... People go to the movie to see the Aliens and Predators.  The people that get in the way, although they can be amusing, are just like eating appetizers, while waiting for your main course... satisfying, but not fulfilling.