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Reply #210 on: February 15, 2008, 08:09:56 AM

I never could get into Melotron much. Have a few of their albums and singles, I think I like all of two tracks.

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Reply #211 on: February 15, 2008, 08:11:52 AM

I never could get into Melotron much. Have a few of their albums and singles, I think I like all of two tracks.

Would you say you are a completist, an optimist or a slow learner?

Typically a completist. When I get into something, I can't really stop.

Call it OCD.

I call it awesome. I have all sorts of neat... collections.
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Reply #212 on: February 15, 2008, 08:17:01 AM

I'm a completist, but don't really want to be. When I like a band, I'll pointlessly hunt down foreign ep's, band member guest appearances, bootlegs, shit like that. But I never like any of it. Deep down, I'm just a sucker for catchy songs. My true liking for something will almost always come down to their singles -- or what I think are the singles.
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Reply #213 on: February 17, 2008, 09:08:44 AM

OK, synthpop aside (I am exploring those bands atm..thanks for that), I had another question...

This is a little old, but Stadium Arcadium is a fucking great album. This is just dawning on me.

I've been a chili peppers fan since way back, like in elementary school... But I've put my foot down with just about every album after mother's milk (blood sugar was good, but i was a little snobby when it came out I hate to admit). Definitely didn't like a lot of things afterwards though. Californication had maybe 2 tracks I could hang with. Stadium, even with it a double album with a ton of tracks, is just so good though. Their best one. They finally merged that funk punk side with the poppy stuff they've been into in recent years, and it works perfectly.

What I'm wondering though is, can anyone think of other bands that have done that for you? Where something so late in their catalog trumps everything else?
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Reply #214 on: February 17, 2008, 09:36:21 AM

This is a little old, but Stadium Arcadium is a fucking great album. This is just dawning on me.

Its not really. Great albums need to sound great. That album is heavily compressed and mastered so hot and is so bereft of any dynamic range that its painful to listen to. Its why TMV are great live but sound flat on CD. Its why Muse write subtle songs that sound anything but subtle. Its why Rush put out an album (Vapor Trails) that had better writing than many before it and yet it stinks.

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What I'm wondering though is, can anyone think of other bands that have done that for you? Where something so late in their catalog trumps everything else?

Quite a few. I suppose the most obvious one would be Pulp - Different Class, which was some 17 years into the band's history.

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Reply #215 on: February 17, 2008, 09:54:12 AM

This is a little old, but Stadium Arcadium is a fucking great album. This is just dawning on me.

Its not really. Great albums need to sound great. That album is heavily compressed and mastered so hot and is so bereft of any dynamic range that its painful to listen to. Its why TMV are great live but sound flat on CD. Its why Muse write subtle songs that sound anything but subtle. Its why Rush put out an album (Vapor Trails) that had better writing than many before it and yet it stinks.

I don't like heavy compression either, but considering the style of music they play, I think it works in their favor. Frusciante and Flea are punchy funky types to begin with. They were already loading up on heavy compression in their gear all of these years. Kiedis can be a smooth singer, but he's got his staccato rap thing and George Clintonisms as well -- compression doesn't get in the way of that either. If it was harder rock like Rush with a singer like Geddy, a band that needed more spaciousness, then I could agree.

All that being said, production and engineering (or even musicianship/virtuosity for that matter) don't constitute "great" to me. The musician part of me can appreciate it and all that, but it's nothing I truly gravitate towards. I'm sure you know by now that I'm a sucker for singalong pop songs. I love a catchy song, good riffs, good lyrics, and stadium I think is better than what the chili peppers have done in the past. No big stand out tracks, but all of them are pretty good in their own way. I can't say that for their older albums. There was a lot of tripe in them.
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