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Endie
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You guys are right. The mainstream radio music listener is a paragon of musical erudition. Kanye is a musical genius and Fergie is the new Aretha.  Way to ignore 98% of a post and quote one bit that you disagree with (Kanye) while offering no reasons for your sarcastic dismissal. (edit, lol I just quoted the bit from yours I disagreed with but that's different because I say so). Further, what I said was: "look, mainstream listeners have always bought a lot of dumb stuff so your ' you guys are right' act is downright shenaniganism (which should be a word). And nobody mentioned Fergie in the whole thread: don't ask me to defend that stuff! Anyway, to address your implied criticism, Kanye is mad as a coot and I don't think much of the bulk of his stuff myself, but I can recognise the originality of some of his work, while respecting the fact that he is not simply phoning it in. The false snobbery of "it's mainstream so it must be shit" is wearisome, and I really don't think even you believe it. Since that's all we were disagreeing about, originally, then your comments about MCR and Fall Out Boy suggest it was just a touch of jaded cynicism. Ironically, I think FOB have got lazier in the kind of way you describe since hitting the big time! Either that or it's that difficult second album again. Edit: added the noun - FOB - to the blank space in the last sentence. |
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« Last Edit: November 28, 2007, 08:34:09 AM by Endie »
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Kanye produces/engineers some good shit. Not much of an MC in my eyes though.
As far as top 40 goes, unfortunately, most of the stuff I like doesn't or or hasn't make/made it there.... But I don't think I should knock it. I like a good song, no matter how popular it is. I'm a musician, and when it comes down to it, I just like noise. Good music is good music. Some of it is very popular. Pretty simple.
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« Last Edit: November 28, 2007, 07:35:57 AM by Stray »
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I have to be honest, as cliche as it may be now, I was disappointed that this link wasn't Tay Zonday or Rick Astley. Rick Astley has better hair. I think a badger is napping on that guy's dome. |
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Holy shit! I just watched Astley on Youtube. I didn't know someone could actually top Gilbert Sullivan. I stand corrected.  [edit] And apparently, I just "rick rolled" myself for doing that. |
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« Last Edit: November 28, 2007, 08:43:27 AM by Stray »
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Endie
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Holy shit! I just watched Astley on Youtube. I didn't know someone could actually top Gilbert Sullivan. I stand corrected. Not for nothing did Pop Will Eat Itself begin "Preaching to the Perverted" with the lines: "Astley's in the noose (hang loose kid) Lift the lid on the crimes he did..." ( Link to Youtube for those with tolerance for low quality live bootleg videos). Which, of course, was in turn a reference to The Wonder Stuff's track "Astley in the Noose", off the superb "The Eight Legged Groove Machine" album. Fuck I hated that bloke. |
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Righ
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I saw Nirvana live a couple of times (before Grohl and with him), and I'm glad that I did. They (Cobain in particular) were certainly more in their element in a small club venue than they were in the larger venues that they played after they broke, but they adapted to the rapid change well. Although they have become somewhat legendary due to the Cobain's suicide and the focus has been on him, they were in fact a very talented band that were more than the sum of their parts. In that regard, they share something with Joy Division, who like Nirvana also got too much subsequent press due to the demise of their frontman rather than the quality of their music. However, to begrudge a band their popularity because it was in part fueled by exposure surrounding their demise when their talent was this great would be unreasonable. Comparing today's popular music to 1971 doesn't stand up to scrutiny. There may be a bunch of crap in any 'top 30' from any given time, but you'd be hard pressed to find as much crap as there is in any chart today. The most significant reason that the music industry is dying comes not from illegal downloads but because of the wasteland of bland manufactured shit typified by boy bands and 'Pop Idol' TV shows that they are trying to force the diminishing market to listen to. Where is the 'Jeepster' or 'Riders On The Storm' in this chart: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chart/singles.shtml(you can reference this link next week, next month or whenever, and I venture it will contain as much putrid bile as it does today - but right now, the most worthwhile song in there is an Elvis re-issue) Not that there's a shortage of good music today - far from it, we're living during an exciting period with a lot of really talented artists making music - but the major labels are spectacularly failing to embrace and promote it. |
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Looking at that BBC chart depresses me. Its as if the world is slipping back to 1982. Did someone hit the reset button somewhere? Signe, are you contemplating aerobics with legwarmers?
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Righ
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Looking at that BBC chart depresses me. Its as if the world is slipping back to 1982. Did someone hit the reset button somewhere? Signe, are you contemplating aerobics with legwarmers?
Nah, we're way past 1982. This time 25 years ago, we at least had Night Porter by Japan & Mad World by Tears For Fears: http://www.chartstats.com/chart.php?date=01%2F12%2F1982 |
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Margalis
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The people here indulging in nostalgia long the lines of "oh, music was so much better when I was young" are fooling themselves.
You are ignoring the fact that the radio industry itself has totally changed. It has nothing to do with nostalgia. |
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Nevermore
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Looking at that BBC chart depresses me. Its as if the world is slipping back to 1982. Did someone hit the reset button somewhere? Signe, are you contemplating aerobics with legwarmers?
Nah, we're way past 1982. This time 25 years ago, we at least had Night Porter by Japan & Mad World by Tears For Fears: http://www.chartstats.com/chart.php?date=01%2F12%2F1982Hey now, only a little less than 4 years ago we had the Gary Jules version of Mad World for Donnie Darko. The rest of the chart for that week is really depressing, though: http://www.chartstats.com/chart.php?week=20040110 |
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Not for nothing did Pop Will Eat Itself begin "Preaching to the Perverted" with the lines:
"Astley's in the noose (hang loose kid)
Lift the lid on the crimes he did..."
"Very metal riffs polluting the air. Can you dig it? HELL YEAH!" VNV Nation, Apoptygma Berzerk, Bauhaus, Synesthaesia/Frontline Assembly, Noise Unit, Informatik, etc.
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Righ
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Hey now, only a little less than 4 years ago we had the Gary Jules version of Mad World for Donnie Darko. Yes, the music industry remains good at reselling things they've sold in the past. A handful of covers and re-issues doesn't make the current situation much better however. The singles chart has always been led by the whimsy and banality of teenage fashion, but with record companies peddling a diverse portfolio comprising of products from many contemporary bands, that fashion could uncover interesting artists and place their music in front of the more complex market for albums and live music. When the record companies started to focus on producing formulaic songs written by a handful of professional songwriters and dealt out to carefully controlled boy bands, bimbettes and rappers in order address the more easily led teen market directly, they largely abandoned the diversity. If you look at the portfolio of currently represented artists under a label such as EMI today, you'll see that alongside the 'classic' dinosaurs that they continue to milk, the contemporary artists are primarily dancing mannequins and vocalists paid to deliver some 60-70 year old songwriter's lyrics while dressed in 'street' fashion duds. Its hard to find a young U2 (for example) when you're not taking chances with diverse acts that control their own music. The worthwhile artists that are succeeding tend to be doing so against the odds, and are being signed up by the major labels after they have already demonstrated their ability to sell products via personal or indie labels., and even then, they rarely get good representation. In the 1970s and 1980s, more music changed hands on cassette tape in playgrounds than ever did from retailer to purchaser. Although the Internet has made the playground bigger, the loss of industry sales is largely the fault of greedy boardroom pillocks with their heads stuck up their asses. The 'lost sales' were never there - people who don't have thousands of dollars to spend on buying music just don't. The industry may have used fashion whim to help expose artists, but it was the 20-40 year olds with disposable income that were making them the money, not the high school kids, and failing to find, promote and nurture complex and diverse artists is a failure to make money. Every dollar they pay useless cunts like Simon Cowell is a thousand dollars they take away from their own pocketbooks. |
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I don't disagree with any of that. I just wanted to link to that Gary Jules version of the song because it's  |
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schild
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Dude, awesome for real doesn't mean awesome for real. It's sarcastic. Look at the face!
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Nevermore
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Looks like an excited anime face to me. All that's missing is some drool coming out of the corner of its mouth. Can we get into a sissy slapfight about this, too? |
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I like leg warmers. And arm warmers. And funny little gloves. I may have run out of sissy fight smilies. Have a dancing Jesus, instead.  |
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I'm not sure if it's grunge or what....
But I kind of like Paramore. As I am told, most people are scrred to admit to liking them, but I don't care.
You may blame NHL 08 for this post.
Also, I'll never try to say I have good taste in music. My music collection is epic lulz Incarnate.
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Paramore is Twee. How do you like THAT for a music category?
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Margalis
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The diversity issue is what I was alluding to with my comments on the radio industry. It surprises me that there are even 40 songs to put on the top 40 these days. Of course top 40 and radio has always mostly been crap, but in the "old days" radio was far more diverse. These days very small playlists are devised at some central office and that's pretty much it, every part of the country getting the same list every day.
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vampirehipi23: I would enjoy a book written by a monkey and turned into a movie rather than this.
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Yep, in the "old days" (not really that long ago actually), it was left up to the discretion of the DJ, like in college radio. Hell, the DJ was considered a Rock Star is in own right. In the old days. All DJ's these days go by the name of Clear Channel though.
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Gee, that couldn't have anything to do with why the music industry is 'losing'* so much money, could it? No, it must be teh pirates!  *If by 'losing' you mean 'not making quite enough to install solid gold bidets in all the corporate bathrooms this quarter'. |
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The only money the music industry is losing is the profits they claim they would have made if someone who downloads the songs they would never have bought had actually bought the songs they downloaded. Otherwise, those assholes are making more than enough money. The guys losing money are the artists who don't get enough money for their songs in the first place.
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Righ
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Otherwise, those assholes are making more than enough money.
The sentiment of your post is correct, but this bit is actually wrong - the industry is contracting because of a lack of sales and nearly all companies have been running with operating losses for the past six years - people other than artists are being laid off - in management, promotion, CD pressing, etc. Its an industry in crisis, but it is not because of illegal downloads. |
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Fuck the music industry - they're irrelevant.
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HaemishM
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Otherwise, those assholes are making more than enough money.
The sentiment of your post is correct, but this bit is actually wrong - the industry is contracting because of a lack of sales and nearly all companies have been running with operating losses for the past six years - people other than artists are being laid off - in management, promotion, CD pressing, etc. Its an industry in crisis, but it is not because of illegal downloads. By these assholes, I mean the music industry executives, who like corporate executives all over America, are making bank while their company/industry goes to shit. The entire music industry could collapse tomorrow, and "these assholes" would still be living in their mansions. |
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Margalis
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Hay guyz, people don't buy shitty products! Amazing!
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vampirehipi23: I would enjoy a book written by a monkey and turned into a movie rather than this.
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Actually, a massive number of people buy shitty products. But people who buy quality products are finding alternate avenues that don't load up money on the middlemen. I always try to buy directly from the artist if possible. You always have dipshits buying enough crap to keep the industry around in some form to leverage their media assets to assault the mainstream with their products. It's just saturation marketing, oh who will sell more albums, Fitty or Kanye? Who gives a fuck? Meanwhile, I'll support artists who do this: http://stores.musictoday.com/store/dept.asp?band_id=551&dept_id=6707&sfid=2I got the FLAC version of the Haynes/Allman disc and burned it to CD, it sounds great. Real musicians don't need no steenkin studios. And techno/rap/whateverthefuck can do it on their mac and don't need a studio either. A studio is becoming a luxury. It's fucking awesome. |
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There was an email stating that it'll be up till the 10th. UK time, I assume.
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Moaner
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In Rainbows fucking rocks. It's about time Nude made it on an album. I bought the physical copy and paid $20 to download it.
I got so frustrated with the music industry in the late 90s (fuck Relapse) that I completely quit paying attention to the modern bullshit being churned out and 8 years later am still working my way through old jazz albums and supporting obscure indie bands like Autechre.
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schild
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40GBP? ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING? can you buy the fucker without fucking vinyl?
I'm almost tempted to do 1GBP for the MP3. Because I'm pissy about the box being so much.
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Moaner
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I don't think you can get it without the vinyl. The price really didn't phase me as Radiohead is a favorite of mine. The album will probably still be haning on my wall 15 years from now.
Just download it for free, they don't mind. I was just happy to support them in their big "fuck you" to the modern music industry.
I'll support the fuck out of Reznor's new album too.
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Total Goods Price £ 1.45
Thanks for the cheap MP3s. Now plz to not be charging an arm and a leg for a CD and vinyl.
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Moaner
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Haha! £ 1.45 for what is IMO the best album of the year. A winner is you!
God damn Radiohead rules.
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