1:19am, November 25,2007 Jubei'thos has a queue, and Coilfang does not.

[Paelos]

I love the martyr complex.   

No, dipshit, what you've just experienced is the general tone and timber of these boards.  What, exactly, would you like us to do about it? Hold your hand, sing Kumbaya and pray for a mechanics change?

Discuss the emptiness of servers, for which there is a VERY simple remedy, or lobby Blizzard on your behalf? Poor you that we aren't gracing you with the font of wisdom and erudite discussion that your original post so tried to pull from us.  Oh wait, it didn't.

See, you're getting shitty responses because you blogged a random stream of consciousness out of boredom.

Yep that was pretty much my feeling on the issue as well. I still say druids are fun though and they can tank. If he was a hunter, I think I might have just ignored the entire thing because I'd be happier if more hunters quit the game.

[Merusk]

Fuck you and your hunter hate, you ass bag full of monkey cock.

 

[Venkman]

Its amazing to me actually, how much rudeness you find on this board, and lack of discussion.
The personal attacks, the go roll that class. If the people hadn't noticed I rolled the other class that is lacking.

Actually, it's usually not the original poster who gets the attacks, it's some wank who uses that post as some method to dredge up some forgotten bitch from some forgotten past ;)

As to your complaint, welcome to the veteran MMO community. We all like(d) WoW, but played EQ1 already, so have heard almost every single complaint numerous times before. Just replace the names. Your problem is neither unique nor new, sorry to say.

Blizzard did a lot right, and WoW is a solid game. The only people who are at fault are those who expect a game to be as fun for them on day infinity as it was on day one. Doesn't matter if a game extracts a fee. Nothing lasts forever.

[stray]

I disagree with all of you. If AngryGumball had my postcount, people would listen.

[Teleku]

I have absolutely no idea why, but that cat in your avatar looks Japanese to me. 

[Oban]

I have absolutely no idea why, but that cat in your avatar looks Japanese to me. 

Because of the Japanese guy in the background?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ljMODw-fXaI

[stu]

Its amazing to me actually, how much rudeness you find on this board, and lack of discussion.
The personal attacks, the go roll that class. If the people hadn't noticed I rolled the other class that is lacking.

Sometimes you just need to read between the lines. Gumball, what I read was people offering solutions and you bracing so hard for an attack that you took it as criticism. Roll with it. Roll a Druid. You're hardcore- it won't take you long to max out on a new server, especially with the new changes.

And BTW, at the end of your OP, you said that no one cares, so why get butthurt if no one does? I don't like to be an asshole, but there it is. Also, your sentence structure made it hard for me to understand your point.

[Chenghiz]

Druids are fucking awesome. After 20 it's a breeze and after 50 (Mangle) it's a steady wind.

[Teleku]

I have absolutely no idea why, but that cat in your avatar looks Japanese to me. 

Because of the Japanese guy in the background?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ljMODw-fXaI

As if I could actually make out what that was in that tiny ass gif 

[Righ]

You should have trained Eagle Eye at level 14.

[Paelos]

In the end, I rolled a Arms warrior as my main and then flipped him to tanking at 60 like, 2 years ago? Objectively I don't understand why people wouldn't want to tank. It's the same way I don't understand why people like DPS. I've done that in groups and it's boring as shit.

I think what it boils down to is that if you like being in control of the situation you'll roll a tank. If you don't, then you'll simply have to make friends with one. And if you can't make friends, well, drink more often. It'll loosen you up a bit.

[stray]

I haven't played for a long time, but I'd be surprised if Druid still isn't the most satisfying class for me. Self sufficient, and welcomed in any group. And having all of that variety kept me fairly interested in what is usually a very repetitive and boring game. One day I could tank, another day I could prowl around, and another I could hold asshole faction members hostage to my whims by not healing them.

[Ironwood]

Timbre.

[Litigator]

If someone can develop an alternative game system that doesn't revolve around "aggro" and "tanking" it might be interesting, or it might be terrible. WoW has expanded the range of tanking possibilities by allowing Paladins and Druids to be effective in the role.

The tank shortage has a lot more to do with too many warriors speccing for PvP than it does with the issue of dps being more fun than tanking. I think they need to cut respec costs. I'd like to see last bosses of heroics dropping tokens for free respecs, and if they did, we'd have more tanks for heroics, Kara and ZA

[Righ]

WoW has expanded the range of tanking possibilities by allowing Paladins and Druids to be effective in the role.

If you only compare WoW against one game, perhaps you can claim this. However, crusaders, death knights, dark avengers, shadowknights, enforcers, sentinels, guardians, titans (spaceships) have all tanked in prior games. Paladins have tanked in other titles, druids too if you're prepared to look at prior Blizzard games.

I still think that the biggest problem with the lack of tanks is the "left behind" barrier to entry. If you get bored zapping shit with your geared up mage, you can run off and create a healer or another DPS class and be up and running in a fairly short order. You'll need to limit your role until you've built up gear, but the gear commitment is not as dramatic as it is for a tank, and if the encounters are not especially challenging you can come along for the ride with an experienced group and pick up gear. To tank in WoW, you must pass muster on gear for not only the encounter but also for your fellow party members. Letting a bunch of DPS warriors spec 41+ points into prot free of charge won't magically give them tanking gear. And DPS gear with a handful of entry-level tanking pieces doesn't cut it - tanking takes an ongoing gear commitment.

The number of people who play one class from the outset, and stick to it will diminish over time. Because the gear challenge for tanking rules out all but the more determined "switchers", it leads to a shortage of tanks.

[Chenghiz]

Wouldn't it make more sense to have an AI that works something like people play in arena matches? I was going to point out that a mechanism that doesn't involve aggro or threat rankings would result in healers being gibbed left and right, but the mere fact that this doesn't arbitrarily occur in arenas seems to indicate that a player-like AI for bosses would be practical. Sure, they wouldn't be able to do a million damage like current bosses do, but I think the added layer of tactics that the PVE game would require then would more than make up for that. There's a chace to make a fight that's actually challenging, not merely rote memorisation and execution of sequences.

[Zetor]

There is already one "boss fight" like this -- the BRD arena event, a part of the tier0.5 questline. The party faces a group of semi-random mobs that have about 2x the hitpoints of a typical level60 character, do comparable damage, but try to gank healers and squishy targets first, use crowd control, heal each other, etcetera. The AI isn't that good (the encounter is trivialized by bringing 3 or more crowd control classes + tanks/healers that can aoe fear), but honestly it's still one of the best ideas I've seen so far.

Too bad that it's a) unique and hasn't even been partially recreated since, b) a level 60 'old-world' encounter, meaning nobody knows how to do it / wants to do it and c) part of a questline 99.5+% (conservative estimate) of the playerbase hasn't experienced and very likely won't, either.


-- Z.

[amiable]

That BRD encounter was great.  You just gave me my only pang of nostalgia for the game since I quit 6 months ago.

[Litigator]

There is already one "boss fight" like this -- the BRD arena event, a part of the tier0.5 questline. The party faces a group of semi-random mobs that have about 2x the hitpoints of a typical level60 character, do comparable damage, but try to gank healers and squishy targets first, use crowd control, heal each other, etcetera. The AI isn't that good (the encounter is trivialized by bringing 3 or more crowd control classes + tanks/healers that can aoe fear), but honestly it's still one of the best ideas I've seen so far.

Too bad that it's a) unique and hasn't even been partially recreated since, b) a level 60 'old-world' encounter, meaning nobody knows how to do it / wants to do it and c) part of a questline 99.5+% (conservative estimate) of the playerbase hasn't experienced and very likely won't, either.


-- Z.

I did that whole line, all the way through to valthalak. It took a couple of weeks to do the whole line, but it was well worth it, although Valth was pretty difficult, considering it was almost impossible to get a stable group to break him like you would with most bosses who get farmed. I still have the whole set, the banner, the brazier, the storybook and the bloodvine potions in a bag in my bank.