Street Fighter IV

[Margalis]

I'm not really getting SFIV. I like the graphics and animation for the most part but the faces look terrible.

I don't get bringing back all the old characters with basically the same moves. It's more like a 3D SF2 than a new game. That doesn't really excite me. I've been playing SF2 for 15 years.

[Azazel]

They're really in a bind in that sense - damned if they do and damned if they don't.

[stray]

Like I said, between the revamped HD version of SF2 and this, I'll take the former. I'll stick with what I know and what works -- this time in high def. Looks better and more than likely, it'll be cheaper too.

They need to do more to make the newer title stand out.

[Margalis]

Yeah, that's the other odd part. And the HD version comes with a remixed mode with some move changes and additions. Do we need two new variations on SF2 in the same timeframe? Originally HD was supposed to be out fall/winter, but now it will probably be out at around the same time. Weird.

[Velorath]

Sagat and Balrog have been added to the game, although at least for the moment only as bosses.

[Dtrain]

That way in a year when they become playable we can all buy the game again.

I'm gonna have to withold judgment on this one. I'd be happy if it were an awesome game and brought new life back into the title and the genre. But the potential for suck is high.

[Velorath]

If anyone has $2590 to burn, they can pre-order the PCB kit.

[schild]

Cory Jacobs and I were going to save up for it. I figured that's what they would charge just for the harddrive with the game on it. But it comes with the Taito X2 hardware. Tempting. Maybe.

[Margalis]

A friend of mine has a CPS2 arcade cabinet with ST and SFA1 boards.

[Aez]

Sagat and Balrog have been added to the game, although at least for the moment only as bosses.

Got some screens.  Look great :

Tiger!

[WindupAtheist]

New updates for SSFTHDR.

http://blog.capcom.com/archives/558

It sounds like Sirlin is  making some good decisions. I love the fake fireball idea. I hope it is really tricky( like it is easy to fall for) and that it has some quick recovery for some nasty mix ups. I freaking love Ryu and this change will really help him out with Dhalsim and ass happy Honda's.

For some more interesting Honda stuff, in case any of you fellows play Honda, there is some pretty interesting stuff at SRK in the STHD thread about possible changes for Honda that sound pretty interesting.

Here's hoping Blanka gets his HF vertical ball back...Or god forbid...It hit mid...

I hate to necro a month-old thread, especially to reply to a post even older, but hearing HF talk about "changes" like it's just Street Fighter 2, Version 1.99999 pretty much made any interest I had in this game curl up and die.

[HAMMER FRENZY]

Well HD Remix is just that. A re-drawn re-release for download that has an optional rebalanced version of the original game. Aside from the new sprites, music, and presentation, the only thing of any value in the release is the new stuff that will be re-balanced.

[Velorath]

Looking somewhat better (for some of the characters anyway).

[schild]

oh god that's awesome.

[MisterNoisy]

Looks good, but Ryu's expression in that second shot is friggin hilarious.

[Evildrider]

Mmm.. I can't wait to use that Vega cheese.  ;)

[Nevermore]

I can't say I'm interested in 2D fighters anymore but some of you might like this gameplay vid.

[stray]

Vega looks rad.


It's not 2D necessarily... Although it is functionally.

Not that it matters to me. 3D hasn't really brought or changed much. The best games in my opinion are still the 2D ones. And even the really good 3D ones play out like 2D anyways.

[Velorath]

Footage of just about all of the characters.

[schild]

Even though there's a fair chance it won't be near as good as SFII, I just want to say that I fucking love Capcom. That is all.

[Nevermore]

It's a pretty game, I'll give it that.

[HAMMER FRENZY]

The more I see of it, the more it looks like old school SF game play. Then again, that is exactly what the problem is...

[Aez]

Guile - The crotch whisperer

http://crotchwhisperer.ytmnd.com/

[Amarr HM]

SF II = greatest fighting game ever (and all variations, champ edition being my favourite).

Timing Dragon punch to hit one of blankas rolling attacks ftw.

[Draegan]

Love me the SF2.  However this game is exactly the same. Yawn.

[Lakov_Sanite]

hmm

[Velorath]

Tatsunoko Vs. Capcom trailer.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Tatsunoko Vs. Capcom trailer.

Oh god....kobun....tron bonne....gatchaman.....I...no...no NO! This won't come out in the US in a million years, fie! a pox upon your house for showing me heaven and then snatching it from my hands!

[schild]

Doesn't matter. PS3 is region free.

It's coming to America, whether they want it to or not! Boo ya.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Doesn't matter. PS3 is region free.

It's coming to America, whether they want it to or not! Boo ya.

I would buy a ps3 for this game and this game alone.

[Hoax]

Stuff that was said long long ago

n-n-n-n-n NECRO

I want to argue w/ Hammer, I thought about taking it to pm's but since I'm so gloriously right I'd rather do it in a public space.  I am no qualified to have the debate I was having earlier, but my position hasn't changed.

I've now put at least 20 hrs /played into GGXX AC, its fun.  But some of the high end stuff is frustratingly esoteric.  First of all, all 3 types of cancels (you are reading that right 3 types, wtf) are stupid.  You will never ever come upon them in natural gameplay.  Instead you have to go to the training area and test and test and figure it out.  Its bad enough that you really need to go to dustloop.com to help guide you along the combo pathways.  Faultless defense, not clear, the entire concept is strange and confusing.  The game is built around being stupid-complex.  It just is.  Anyone who can't understand why 2d fighting games don't have universal popularity and the community is fucking super eat their young is an idiot.

I've had some fun trying to learn this shit, but mostly its been fucking painful.  I know how something is supposed to work, but learning a game system that I can't see the benefits of naturally is really hard.  So in closing.  I was totally right.  It seems like I'll need to put another 20 hrs in the training mode, instead of playing versus my lil brother if I want to actually learn the shit that is left to learn.  Being forced to play a game against the AI standing there in order to l2p?  Fucking failure. 

Lastly though, I have a question.  I will get SFIV when it comes out, I'm getting my own copy of GGXXAC but now that I have my PS3, what other fighters are worth getting?  Capcom v SNK2?  One of the SF collections for laughs?  Halp.  I'd like to get my hands on the 2d fighter that will not remind me of GG while I'm working on mastering it.

[Velorath]

Doesn't matter. PS3 is region free.

It's coming to America, whether they want it to or not! Boo ya.

Sadly the only console I think it has been announced for so far is the Wii (in Japan).

[schild]

Already announced for PS3 and 360. For the entire world. In multiple interviews. It's buried in every SFIV thread on NeoGAF.

[HAMMER FRENZY]

Stuff that was said long long ago

n-n-n-n-n NECRO

I want to argue w/ Hammer, I thought about taking it to pm's but since I'm so gloriously right I'd rather do it in a public space.  I am no qualified to have the debate I was having earlier, but my position hasn't changed.

I've now put at least 20 hrs /played into GGXX AC, its fun.  But some of the high end stuff is frustratingly esoteric.  First of all, all 3 types of cancels (you are reading that right 3 types, wtf) are stupid.  You will never ever come upon them in natural gameplay.  Instead you have to go to the training area and test and test and figure it out.  Its bad enough that you really need to go to dustloop.com to help guide you along the combo pathways.  Faultless defense, not clear, the entire concept is strange and confusing.  The game is built around being stupid-complex.  It just is.  Anyone who can't understand why 2d fighting games don't have universal popularity and the community is fucking super eat their young is an idiot.

I've had some fun trying to learn this shit, but mostly its been fucking painful.  I know how something is supposed to work, but learning a game system that I can't see the benefits of naturally is really hard.  So in closing.  I was totally right.  It seems like I'll need to put another 20 hrs in the training mode, instead of playing versus my lil brother if I want to actually learn the shit that is left to learn.  Being forced to play a game against the AI standing there in order to l2p?  Fucking failure. 

Lastly though, I have a question.  I will get SFIV when it comes out, I'm getting my own copy of GGXXAC but now that I have my PS3, what other fighters are worth getting?  Capcom v SNK2?  One of the SF collections for laughs?  Halp.  I'd like to get my hands on the 2d fighter that will not remind me of GG while I'm working on mastering it.

You have to keep in mind that all the shit your bitching about really doesn't show up until you are playing really decent players. That being said, putting the time into learning the system and getting your timing down will push you into a different skill level all together. You will never have to use False Roman Cancels against your little brother, and honestly practicing them just for that is kinda harsh. That stuff is there for those who wish to learn it. Do you need it? IF you want to beat the best, yes, but if you play casually, you wont. And this whole, dustloop thing, I learned Testament pretty much by myself. You just have to have a decent handle on how Guilty Gear works, what you are trying to accomplish, etc. The combo system is so fucking laxed that making stuff up is a breeze. You will have to look up staple "best practices" combos if you want to get retarded good, but that is beside the point. That is like bitching about Street Fighter having link combos or terribly hard timing on comboed supers in ST. The advanced shit is there because breaking a fighting game down to simple stuff and not having a higher level of gameplay that requires some tight execution makes high level play boring fast. Really though, you don't have to worry about any of this if you just are playing with your friends/ brother.

I CAN say that there are some things in that game that are just plain tough as nails. FRC Chemical Love combos with Ino. That is hard, but that also falls into the the whole, "you only need that at high level play" because really she has LOTS of options that don't require those combos or the setups that lead into those combos. They are much easier and you would smack most of the people you play right the fuck around with a solid foundation of her ranges, moves and basic combos.

I have to admit that fighting games are hard sometimes, but I also think that it is okay for some fighting games to just not be for you. For all the silliness that Guilty Gear is known for on the execution side of things, it also leads to some pretty damn awesome meta game options and incredibly interesting fights at the higher level. And hell it looks cool at low level to intermediate level play too.

You really can't bitch about a game asking you for more than you are willing to give, then assume that your threshold for this type of thing is the general consensus. A lot of people really like that game and Arc Systems keeps ithhte way it is cause to be honest, it is one of the best 2d fighters ever made BECAUSE of all the options it has and because those options require some skill. Keep in mind that you could practice this and get it down like nothing. I have seen players go from not ever playing Guilty Gear to FRC'ing moves with tight windows in no time. It all is based on the motivation you have that usually comes form a competitive, healthy scene/group of players.   

[Velorath]

Already announced for PS3 and 360. For the entire world. In multiple interviews. It's buried in every SFIV thread on NeoGAF.

To clarify, I'm talking about Tatsunoko vs. Capcom, which to the best of my knowledge hasn't been confirmed for PS3 and 360 yet.