And the fifth seal was broken, and lo the skies turned to blood...

[Kitsune]

Sonic the Hedgehog is now in an A-list first-party Nintendo title as a Smash Brothers Brawl character.

I never would've thought that the day would come.  Next week: Nintendo announces that every video game character ever, including the Pong paddle and indian-raping Custer, is playable in SSB.

I know about the olympics game, that doesn't count 'cause nobody's gonna buy it.  SSB, on the other hand, mandatory for every Wii in the world.

[Margalis]

Q-Bert would be a good one.

And just for the hell of it:

Monster Hunter 3 is moving from the PS3 to the Wii. IF EVER A GAME DEMANDED HD THAT GAME IS MONSTER HUNTER 3 FUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry, I couldn't resist. All in good fun.

[stray]

Monster Hunter 3 is moving from the PS3 to the Wii.

"Moving". Wha..?? :(

[schild]

Monster Hunter 3 on the Wii is the greatest failure in the history of console gaming. Margalis, I should ban you for being a right dick.

Edit: I take that back, it's not the greatest failure, it's just ridiculous. Friend Codes :( :( :( :(

Edit: I can't find this moving news. It seems they're merely getting a version of Monster Hunter.

Edit 2: Sites in Japan are reporting that it's a Wii Exclusive. Sorry Kitsune, but Monster Hunter going to the Wii is more of a seal breaking than Sonic. Sonic ceased to matter years ago and Sega has been whoring him out since.

[WindupAtheist]

For a minute there I thought Margalis had suffered an invasion of his motherfucking, but then it turned out he was just playing.

[Simond]

Somehow, it's fitting that the best game featuing Sonic for years is being created by Nintendo. :-D

[Glazius]

And of course, his final smash is to turn Super Sonic.

I love poking around the Smash Bros. Dojo, every post there just sounds so excited.

[Margalis]

Honestly I don't really even know what Monster Hunter 3 is.

[schild]

Honestly I don't really even know what Monster Hunter 3 is.

It's one of the best selling games in japan every year, last year it was The best selling game, and it was for the PSP.

That's how big a title it is.

All 4 released titles have been on Sony Platforms - both PSP titles outperformed anything on the DS.

[taolurker]

Honestly I don't really even know what Monster Hunter 3 is.

It's essentially Pokeman.

[schild]

Honestly I don't really even know what Monster Hunter 3 is.

It's essentially Pokeman.

Now I know why you like MMOGs, you're retarded.

Edit: To elaborate - don't hand out misinformation like you work at Costco. Go back to muttering endlessly about MMOGs because at least there you drown out in the torrent of armchair designers.

[Margalis]

Ha ha I had no idea schild took Monster Hunter so seriously...this is comedy gold.

[schild]

Ha ha I had no idea schild took Monster Hunter so seriously...this is comedy gold.

It's not so much Monster Hunter so much as it is their reasoning. The PSP costs more to develop for than the DS. Arguably the Wii also. Yet they made MH for the PSP instead of the DS, and even released one recently for the PSP. Even at a 4 (well, 6:1) deficit on the PSP to the DS in Japan, the MH game was the best selling game last year on any system. So, obviously userbase isn't the concern the mainstream press is making it out to be.

Online play is huge in Monster Hunter. in fact, it's the reason many people buy it. Well, we don't need to discuss that, do we?

The game, for sure, was a looker. And people love hi-res dinosaurs. Hell, people love HD animals - period. Afrika even has fans. Well, there we are at the Wii again.

This whole thing is a mess.

Edit: I don't know what's so comedic about it. The industry is taking a shit on something I love. There's nothing funny about it, it's tragic. Much like what WoW is doing to the MMOG industry. Maybe you're not as serious about your hobby. But fuck you, I am.

[Moaner]

The MH3 thing is very disappointing.  I was actually going to get to play one.  I've been curious about the series for a while now.

At this point though it's going to take a couple great NIS games or something similar to convince me to buy a Wii.  I have no interest in motion controls and I really don't want to play in 480p.  Also, I have a PC, PS3, and 360.  I don't need another fucking console, damnit.

[Margalis]

The funny part is that I took a random game and did a parody bitch about its lack of HD, then you made my parody reality.

Selling more copies is better than selling fewer. I don't understand how installed base doesn't matter. It seems to me that Monster Hunter fits with the Wii demographic and putting it on the Wii gives the opportunity for increased sales. No matter how much you were already selling selling more is still better.

[Yegolev]

I don't think anyone is suggesting that putting a game on the Wii is bad business, just bad for gamers.  It's basically the same thing as two-plus years ago when I would wish so hard that Studio X would release Game Franchise X on the Xbox instead of the PS2, since it should have looked better and had better network support, but on a larger scale.  The biggest change is that now I have to wonder how the wiimote fits into the equation... well, and the quality issues that have been pointed out with other games.

I don't know a damn thing about Monster Hunter, honestly, so I can't say if it's for the Wii demographic or not.  I do know that the two highest quality Wii games I have are Cosmic Family and Twilight Princess, in that order!  TP is actually a GC game so it probably doesn't count, especially since Baten Kaitos looks better when I play it in the Wii.  The rest of my Wii games are kinda crappy.  Even Intelligent Systems' WarioWare has a "I thought this should have been better" vibe to it, like they just converted a DS game instead of making a new one.  I am hoping Metroid Prime 3 will be the exception to the rule but I don't feel the need to buy that just now.

[HaemishM]

So yeah, that PS3 version? We really did cut it because IT COST TOO MUCH TO MAKE.

Making a game on the Wii isn't bad for gamers unless they make a piss poor game. Period. God of War was made for the PS2, but clearly the X-Box would have made it look better. Yet it was still a good game, right? I didn't get to play it because I didn't own a PS2, but gaming was not diminished because there wasn't a version I could play.

[schild]

Haemish, you keep saying it and every time it looks retarded. When a third party makes a game on the Wii, when they could CLEARLY have made it better on another system (in this case the PS3 - network infrastructure better and will be MUCH better, hard drive loading, the ability to have uncompressed audio, a REAL CONTROLLER, to be played on the same system as the prequels), it does hurt games. It just doesn't hurt as much as not bringing it out as all. Also I'll pay $10-$20 more ALL DAY LONG to not have it look like muddled shit.

[stray]

Boo-fuckin-hoo. That's like the 5th or 6th time Capcom has used the expense excuse now. And this was a game that was probably the least likely to have a problem on returns.

[HaemishM]

Also I'll pay $10-$20 more ALL DAY LONG to not have it look like muddled shit.

You are not me, thankfully.

[WayAbvPar]

I would pay $20 more if I could actually bludgeon Sonic to death with my todger as Custer.

[Margalis]

Boo-fuckin-hoo. That's like the 5th or 6th time Capcom has used the expense excuse now. And this was a game that was probably the least likely to have a problem on returns.

Um...Capcom wants a higher return on investment...is that a difficult concept? In part it gives them the extra money needed to fund more speculative games, which is a good thing for everyone. More Viewtiful Joe and Killer 7, less Mega Man 75, yes please. Is there something about being a PS3 fanboy that makes people forget how capitalism works and how companies operate?

The real question is why aren't people making games for my custom built $20000 console that only I own and that costs 10x as much to develop for? Do it for the gamers!

You've been reading for a decade that the cost of making games is outpacing the money they typically make back. I think the people who deserve the real "boo fucking hoo" here are dorks who think companies should lose money and cut back on risky projects just to feed their overpriced machine extra pixels.

You bought a $600 Blue-Ray player, suck it up.

[schild]

I think the people who deserve the real "boo fucking hoo" here are dorks who think companies should lose money and cut back on risky projects just to feed their overpriced machine extra pixels.

Is that a brain fart in that sentence? I'm pretty sure people like Stray and I want nothing but risky. Monster Hunter has always been that. It's complicated, and generally a mess of a game. But it has a diehard huge motherfucking following. Not FF/DQ levels, but the best Capcom has outside of... oh.... wait.... No, it's the best Capcom has now (the FULL Resident Evil franchise... MIGHT... compare). Megaman isn't worth shit off the portables anymore.

[Jain Zar]

I think the people who deserve the real "boo fucking hoo" here are dorks who think companies should lose money and cut back on risky projects just to feed their overpriced machine extra pixels.

Is that a brain fart in that sentence? I'm pretty sure people like Stray and I want nothing but risky. Monster Hunter has always been that. It's complicated, and generally a mess of a game. But it has a diehard huge motherfucking following. Not FF/DQ levels, but the best Capcom has outside of... oh.... wait.... No, it's the best Capcom has now (the FULL Resident Evil franchise... MIGHT... compare). Megaman isn't worth shit off the portables anymore.

You are honestly the first person I have seen who even gave a fuck about Monster Hunter.   The series Metacritic scores are all high 60s low 70s.  While review scores don't mean all that much, it shows the west doesnt care about the game, nor is its fanbase big enough to frighten reviewers to score it better.

So what if its huge in Japan? 

We aren't in Japan.  I don't see multiple Super Robot Taisen games released every year here.  And their creepy ass porno games mostly stay over in their cesspool of weeaboo shit the rest of the world doesn't want anyhow.

Let's face it, you are a graphics whore with more money than sense, and a rapidly breaking brain because SONY IS FUCKING FAILING and you can't handle the fact Nintendo is winning for all the reasons you despise.

Its selling to people with less money but more sense.  HDTVs aren't fucking standard yet, and most of them won't be like my 1080p Sharp Aquos with its silly fast response time and shit.  Most will be 720p Wal Mart specials.

Absurdly high screen resolution has nothing to fucking do with a good game.  So far all the PS3's 1080p has given it is sub par framerates.  Whee.

Seriously dude, get over your technolust and realize the common man don't give two shits about it.  Your overpriced PS3 is the N Gage of this generation of games, except instead of a QD and Red Lynx making some killer games nobody will play because the reputation is already done, you get INFERIOR cheaper versions of the system, and... Lair.

Actually.. that's pretty fucking hilarious.  Resistance UK is laughing all the way too.   :-D

[stray]

Haha dude, c'mon. You could have saved some time and just said "PS3 sux lolz". You're just pointlessly ripping into things there.

[Margalis]

I don't really see how this is any different from complaining that WOW runs on a variety of machines instead of only running on top-of-the-line machines. I suppose if WOW had 10x the polygons it would be a better game - for the people who still played it. It would sell fewer copies, make less money and get played less, but it would be better.

Developers are facing a problem: games cost more and more to make. Sony's solution is to make them cost even more. Instead of creating tools that bring the cost of development back down Sony creates complicated systems with high resolution and shitty tools, then wonders why people don't want to make games for it.

MS can mitigate the cost because you can develop 360 games that will also work on the PC without many changes, and MS can take advantage of their existing tools which are decent and that people are familiar with. The Wii uses a variant of OpenGL on fairly standard, easy to understand hardware and does not demand the higher numbers of polygons and resolution, etc etc.

Meanwhile with Sony you have complex hardware, bad tooling, a high ceiling on what you can do and what your audience expects you to do, and no easy path to a second platform. It's the worst of all worlds from a development cost standpoint.

To make the PS3 a more attractive platform it isn't just about installed base, it's about development cost. Increasing the installed base helps but what Sony has utterly failed to do is control the cost of development.

[Murgos]

So far all the PS3's 1080p has given it is sub par framerates.  Whee.

Wait, what?  1080p = 1920x1080x60Hz, right?

[Margalis]

60hz is just the hardware refresh speed, not the actual game rendering speed. A 60hz display can display 60 frames per second, but that doesn't mean every frame is going to be different. It could be rendering the exact same frame for 6 refreshes, for a real framerate of 10 fps.

[Simond]

I don't see multiple Super Robot Taisen games released every year here.

More's the pity. 

[Jain Zar]

I don't see multiple Super Robot Taisen games released every year here.

More's the pity. 

If we are lucky we might get the PS2 OG 1&2 game, but I wouldn't hold my breath for it.  :-(

[Sairon]

Developers are facing a problem: games cost more and more to make. Sony's solution is to make them cost even more. Instead of creating tools that bring the cost of development back down Sony creates complicated systems with high resolution and shitty tools.Nintendo then wonders why people don't want to make games for their system while they do for the PS3.

FIFY

[Margalis]

That must be why we're talking about Monster Hunting moving from the Wii to the PS3.

[stray]

OK, I am not a programmer myself, and I don't need anyone to tell me that after I post this. I 'm already saying it myself. But... I do keep up on the state of PS3 development a little. So... I just want to point out that there have been a number (of non 1st party) developers who've expressed relief with the Edge tools for instance. And besides that, most of the frustrations were mainly because of cross platform development to begin with (which discounts whatever perceived technical woes Capcom has had with MH3, a native game). I never heard anyone complain about the PS3 being some terrible, daunting experience in and of itself. PS3 development is supposedly pretty high level. Sony *did* push aside their old PS2 ways. They aren't expecting anyone to code in assembly anymore. The graphics API is just OpenGL, like the Wii (and not even that.. it's a stripped down version originally intended for embedded devices). Shader programming is Cg, and some of the things offered by edge simplify things almost as much as bonafide game engines do. Which brings me to that too -- there's a lot of middleware for it already.

That isn't to say Microsoft doesn't have advantages. The tools *are* better.

[Velorath]

Haemish, you keep saying it and every time it looks retarded. When a third party makes a game on the Wii, when they could CLEARLY have made it better on another system (in this case the PS3 - network infrastructure better and will be MUCH better, hard drive loading, the ability to have uncompressed audio, a REAL CONTROLLER, to be played on the same system as the prequels), it does hurt games. It just doesn't hurt as much as not bringing it out as all. Also I'll pay $10-$20 more ALL DAY LONG to not have it look like muddled shit.

Yeah, I was always bothered by the fact the developers didn't shift all their work to the Neo Geo, 3D0, CD-i, etc..., as better games could have been made on that hardware than on the other systems available at the time each one was released.  Clearly it's more important for developers to release their games on cutting edge systems regardless of the fact that they're all priced far out of range of the typical gamer.  In fact, fuck all the developers that aren't developing for top of the line PC's, and fuck all the gamers that apparently don't care enough about their hobby to take out loans so they can keep up with the latest shiny.  You bastards are holding things back for the small percentage of gamers that could afford to drop half a grand on a PS3 and thus deserve better games than the rest of you peasants.

Ack... too much green.

[Triforcer]

Is there something about being a PS3 fanboy that makes people forget how capitalism works and how companies operate?

Are you kidding?  We're lucky they don't collapse the very laws of time and space for miles around them.