My Hate For Nintendo Reaches Critical Mass, They've Now Invaded My Motherfucking

[schild]

Turf.

Tecmo has been silent about Fatal Frame for some time now, but that doesn't mean the horror franchise has been forgotten. To the contrary, 1UP learned at Tokyo Game Show that Tecmo's enlisted the help of Grasshopper Interactive to produce the next Fatal Frame game. And here's the kicker: it's for Wii.

Grasshopper will start on Fatal Frame when work on No More Heroes, recently announced for a US release via Ubisoft, has finished. Given that No More Heroes was developed on Wii, Grasshopper seems content on Nintendo's console.

Taking photographs of ghouls has been a part of Fatal Frame since day one, so motion controls certainly make sense for the series, but the last we heard about the next Fatal Frame seemed to have Microsoft and Sony's consoles in mind. "I already have some ideas that I'd like to do if I had more development time and a more powerful system," said Fatal Frame 3 Producer Keisuke Kikuchi all the way back in July 2005.

Then again, in 2005, no one knew Wii was going to blow up, either.

Grasshopper making the next Fatal Frame? Awesome.
Systems capable of making Fatal Frame Everything People Want it to Be? Obviously, Kikuchi says so.
Coming out for the Wii? Of course.

That's it. Fuck all of you motherfuckers. Every last one of you are going to pay. You are the ones who are the ball lickers.

[HaemishM]

Why is a good game series coming out on the Wii a bad thing?

Show us on the doll where the Wiimote touched you.

[Sky]

I think "They've Now Invaded My Motherfucking" should be the new internet meme.

[schild]

Haemish, I'll let that slide bcause you don't know jack fuck about Fatal Frame. But on a list of five series that DEMANDED The hi-def treatment, this would be one of them. Also, it's purely a hardcore niche title - for the types that already own a PS3.

edit: I think "They've Now Invaded My Motherfucking" should be the new internet meme - Field limit :(

[Roac]

Japan owns more than twice as many Wiis as 360s and PS3s combined.  Japanese game comes out on Wii.  Schild expresses shock.

[schild]

Japan owns more than twice as many Wiis as 360s and PS3s combined.  Japanese game comes out on Wii.  Schild expresses shock.

Sold so much more in America that they made an Xbox version. Roac talks, doesn't know particular market for game. Schild expresses concern for his fellow man in the form of calling him "out of his element."

For reals though, it doesn't matter. Grandma and little 8 year old Hochiro isn't going to be buying Fatal Frame. Unless it's Fatal Frame: The Minigame Collection + Ghosts and Happy Flowers.

[Roac]

Sold so much more in America that they made an Xbox version.

...and quit doing that by the third version, likely because the sales for xbox were shit.

[HaemishM]

Haemish, I'll let that slide bcause you don't know jack fuck about Fatal Frame. But on a list of five series that DEMANDED The hi-def treatment, this would be one of them.

I didn't realize the other Fatal Frame games were done in HD.

And yet somehow, the Fatal Frame games are listed among one of your most prized series of games.

[Rasix]

Fatal Frame 2: Crimson Butterfly was released in 2003 for the PS2 and 2004 for the Xbox.  Tons of HD options then.

Edit: and before schild gets to say it: don't be a donk.

Edit dos: Woah, there was a Fatal Frame 3 in 05? Never noticed.

[schild]

Haemish, I'll let that slide bcause you don't know jack fuck about Fatal Frame. But on a list of five series that DEMANDED The hi-def treatment, this would be one of them.

I didn't realize the other Fatal Frame games were done in HD.

And yet somehow, the Fatal Frame games are listed among one of your most prized series of games.

Read better.

1. It's a series that demands the hi-def treatment. That's to say, it would benefit greatly.
2. I never said anything about where it ranks as a game in my personal library.
3. Don't be a donk. Totally owned by Rasix.

[HaemishM]

I live amongst donks.

I didn't say it wouldn't benefit from HD. But getting apopleptic over it being put on the Wii is just overreacting and silly. Would you rather the game not be made at all? Because that's what you sound like. As for FF2 being HD on the PS2 and X-Box in HD... I would hardly consider EITHER platform to be an HD platform. Did FF2 for the XBox output in 720p? If not, then it was 480p which is hardly the kind of HD treatment schild says the game demands.

Your pissy because it's getting made on the Wii. You sound like Sandy Vagina Monologues every time a good game or series is slated for the Wii, while also complaining the Wii doesn't have any good games and thus doesn't get turned on. Which is it? Either games which are likely to be good shouldn't be made for the Wii or they should.

EDIT: It is also not donkness to point out that the previous games didn't suffer from lack of 360/PS3 HD capability. They are obviously good games, or else why get pissy when a new version comes out for the hated Wii?

[schild]

Haemish, shut the fuck up until you play the series. You have no goddamn clue how far off base you are.

Edit: Also:

EDIT: It is also not donkness to point out that the previous games didn't suffer from lack of 360/PS3 HD capability.

That's donkness. You can't say something did or didn't suffer from something that DIDN'T EXIST YET. The Fatal Frame stuff, short of a few animation issues was on par with the best the generation had to offer. It had nowhere else to go other than HD. You're just absofuckinglutely wrong on this one.

[HaemishM]

So you are saying that non-HD Fatal Frame 1, 2 and 3 sucked ass?

[schild]

So you are saying that non-HD Fatal Frame 1, 2 and 3 sucked ass?

You are retarded.

[Mrbloodworth]

I dunno, game play for the series was always good, but yeah, it does need a step up in the graphics department, but that was mostly hardware limitations, and was kinda grainy from a art direction stand point, but im not sure if it was intentional (id did give a nice feel) or if it was a byproduct of the hardware it was on..and they used it to an advantage.

What i don't get is, why does it being on the WII mean it wont look better than the original games? The Wii is still an improved piece of hardware, its not a ps3, but its got some power, And its really up to the artists anyway.

EDIT: Spelling and more thoughts.

[HaemishM]

So you are saying that non-HD Fatal Frame 1, 2 and 3 sucked ass?

You are retarded.

I take it that's a no.

[Slayerik]

It kicks ass when Haemish and schild have their lover's quarrels.  

 

[schild]

So you are saying that non-HD Fatal Frame 1, 2 and 3 sucked ass?

You are retarded.

I take it that's a no.

Look, you and your $250 piece of shit party console with it's giant reticle and complete lack of precision can stagnate the minigame and board game and nintendo 1st party industry as much as it wants. This, what we're looking at here, was exactly my worry from the beginning. And it looks as though, with this particular announcement, that I was fucking right from the beginning. You can't get it through your fucking skull, OK - but you should really try to learn about the series before you try to defend this particular decision.

[WayAbvPar]

Don't make me den this! 

[Ookii]

Just want to say this:

Lots of people own the Wii.  Lots of people like the Wii.  Some games will come out exclusively for the Wii, this will be disappointing.  Get over it.

On the bright side at least some good games are coming out for the Wii.

[Rasix]

From a different angle, I just don't see Wii owners buying this game.  While this may be the start of "good" gamer type games going to the Wii, is the install base compatible with this type of game?   

Edit: or yah, what Ookii said.  This just seems like a chicken/egg scenario.  FF isn't a system seller, but it may be palatable for people upgrading their gamecube.

[Mrbloodworth]

So you are saying that non-HD Fatal Frame 1, 2 and 3 sucked ass?

You are retarded.

I take it that's a no.

Look, you and your $250 piece of shit party console with it's giant reticle and complete lack of precision can stagnate the minigame and board game and nintendo 1st party industry as much as it wants. This, what we're looking at here, was exactly my worry from the beginning. And it looks as though, with this particular announcement, that I was fucking right from the beginning. You can't get it through your fucking skull, OK - but you should really try to learn about the series before you try to defend this particular decision.

Now i am confused, what part has you so mad? The graphics treatment, or the use of a wii mote?

As a side note: i wont be doing the resident evil 4 port for the wii, as they put it on rails, and your right, the mote has some accuracy issues.

[Margalis]

I've played Fatal Frame. It was ok, I don't see why it matters what system it's on. As has been pointed out the art direction is purposely dark and grainy.

Schild is funny. At least the thread title delivers.

"But getting apopleptic over it being put on the Wii is just overreacting and silly."

Haemish meet Schild.

As a side note: i wont be doing the resident evil 4 port for the wii, as they put it on rails, and your right, the mote has some accuracy issues.

Huh? It's no more "on rails" than the original game. What in the world are you talking about?

[NiX]

This should be a podcast.

[schild]

"But getting apopleptic over it being put on the Wii is just overreacting and silly."

Haemish meet Schild.

I actually find this a little insulting as Haemish, defender of all that is Wii has said ridiculous dumbass short-sighted shit about HD and the next-gen in general. And yet, he jumps in to defend the Wii on a series he doesn't know a motherfucking thing about simply because it involves The Little System That Could But Won't.

[Mrbloodworth]

I've played Fatal Frame. It was ok, I don't see why it matters what system it's on. As has been pointed out the art direction is purposely dark and grainy.

Schild is funny. At least the thread title delivers.

"But getting apopleptic over it being put on the Wii is just overreacting and silly."

Haemish meet Schild.

As a side note: i wont be doing the resident evil 4 port for the wii, as they put it on rails, and your right, the mote has some accuracy issues.

Huh? It's no more "on rails" than the original game. What in the world are you talking about?

As in, you move along a rail, and shoot zombies that pop out, as opposed to "walking" your guy around? From what i have seen , and read, it will be like one of those arcade games with the guns you see in movie theaters and coin operated arcades (cant think of the name of one).

Am i mistaken? its been a bit since i have looked at it again.

EDIT: Know what, i just watched a newer video, i'm wrong. An earlier video on line made it appear that way to me...and i must have read some bad previews, lol.

[schild]

Bloodworth, it doesn't really matter since the reticle went from

o


to

o

[Yegolev]

Grasshopper Manufacture.  I will probably like it, but it will be as popular as Killer7 on GC.  Sky blue.  World turns.

I want to get MP: Corruption before I really start dispensing the wiimote accuracy bile.  It seems to vary by software title, but unfortunately I only have Twilight Princess, MySims and a baker's dozen minigame collections to measure by.  I could certainly use a "my livingroom is bigger than a dorm-room" version of the hardware, that much is certain.

Bloodworth might be thinking of the Umbrella Chronicles game?

[Mrbloodworth]

Bloodworth, it doesn't really matter since the reticle went from

o


to

o

Well, they gotta do something about the twitchy tracking.

Other than that, i think i posed a few questions to you, when you catch your breath, id like to hear whats got you riled up about this.

Also, did they say exclusive?

Grasshopper Manufacture.  I will probably like it, but it will be as popular as Killer7 on GC.  Sky blue.  World turns.

I want to get MP: Corruption before I really start dispensing the wiimote accuracy bile.  It seems to vary by software title, but unfortunately I only have Twilight Princess, MySims and a baker's dozen minigame collections to measure by.  I could certainly use a "my livingroom is bigger than a dorm-room" version of the hardware, that much is certain.

Bloodworth might be thinking of the Umbrella Chronicles game?

Your right, it does seem to vary from software to software, but my experiences haven't been to good to date, but that system is my girlfriends so, i don't get a lot of time on it, nor are there many titles that im interested in.

As to the last line, maybe, ill have to look. I know, and can recall a RE game "On rails" recently. Seems i am confused at to what one..or if at all. It even had the > or < or ^ icons to choose a direction...

RE5, looks hot.

[HaemishM]

Bloodworth, the Resident Evil 4 port for the Wii is exactly the PS2 version, only it uses the Wiimote. If you haven't played the RE4 game, you should get it. If you have played and beaten RE4 on the Wii, only get it if you like replaying games you've already played. It's not on rails.

The game you are talking about is the Umbrella Chronicles game. It WILL be a game on rails, much like the PS2 RE light gun game whose name I forget.

I don't defend everything Wii. There have been some shit games put out for the system, using half-assed waggle controls just because it's on the Wii. I blogged about that very thing just this morning.

But the heart of schild's complaint is that a good game is coming out on the Wii, when he feels it should be coming out on an HD system. And that a development company who has a good track record is somehow going to make a sloppy interface just because the game will use a Wiimote, when there are games on the system that prove the hardware isn't sloppy, but some developers are. Or that's it is somehow going to stagnate the video game industry because a good game is coming out on the Wii.

If I've mistaken the gist of your argument, please enlighten little old retarded me. From where I'm sitting, you are the one making retarded arguments.

[Velorath]

From a different angle, I just don't see Wii owners buying this game.  While this may be the start of "good" gamer type games going to the Wii, is the install base compatible with this type of game?   

Edit: or yah, what Ookii said.  This just seems like a chicken/egg scenario.  FF isn't a system seller, but it may be palatable for people upgrading their gamecube.

Most PS2/Xbox owners didn't buy the previous games either.  I don't think any of them ever became Greatest Hits games in the U.S. (although I hear they did in Japan).

[Mrbloodworth]

Bloodworth, the Resident Evil 4 port for the Wii is exactly the PS2 version, only it uses the Wiimote. If you haven't played the RE4 game, you should get it. If you have played and beaten RE4 on the Wii, only get it if you like replaying games you've already played. It's not on rails.

The game you are talking about is the Umbrella Chronicles game. It WILL be a game on rails, much like the PS2 RE light gun game whose name I forget.

Yep, already did RE4 on PS2.

[schild]

Bloodworth, ever since that loot thread I've just been ignoring your questions because it's like you're broadcasting in some alien tongue.

And had you read the thread, I have been pissed about both the HD and the waggle. last I checked, you can be pissed about both.

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But the heart of schild's complaint is that a good game is coming out on the Wii, when he feels it should be coming out on an HD system. And that a development company who has a good track record is somehow going to make a sloppy interface just because the game will use a Wiimote, when there are games on the system that prove the hardware isn't sloppy, but some developers are. Or that's it is somehow going to stagnate the video game industry because a good game is coming out on the Wii.

If I've mistaken the gist of your argument, please enlighten little old retarded me. From where I'm sitting, you are the one making retarded arguments.

Actually, as much as I like Suda51 and Grasshopper, they're a mess. But that's actually besides the point. Whether or not the game turns out good at all, it should not be going to the Wii. As a series, it would benefit more on the other systems. But it's going to the Wii because it's cheap as fuck and has a large install base. Now, did I say that this one event would stagnate the industry? No, but the Wii very obviously stagnated the industry enough that Tecmo/Grasshopper think that this is an OK decision.

[Yegolev]

I don't want to speak for schild, but I believe I understand his concern, and after I watched the WiiFit demonstration I have subscribed to his newsletter (and reading his post after I wrote this, I think we're on the same page).  Basically, we are only hoping that FF for Wii is going to be good, Grasshopper or not, so we can't use that in the equation.  What we can use, however, is the Wii target audience and the current list of games for the Wii.  The list of Games with a Capital G for Wii is something like Twilight Princess, Metroid Prime 3 and... uh, can I count RE4?  Pretty much everything else I have played is either developed by the red-stapler crew at EA or something that makes Parker Brothers and Milton Bradley roll their eyes.  It's pretty much a handheld with no built-in screen in the eyes of game developers, meaning they are putting the third-string studios on it.

Secondly, and most importantly, the popularity of it is going to -- I predict -- do to traditional console gaming what PopCap and consoles have done to traditional PC games: throw it into a niche and piss on it.

I could be overreacting, but I see patterns in the industry that lend themselves toward this theory.

[Mrbloodworth]

Bloodworth, ever since that loot thread I've just been ignoring your questions because it's like you're broadcasting in some alien tongue.

Well that sucks.

And had you read the thread, I have been pissed about both the HD and the waggle. last I checked, you can be pissed about both.

I dunno, i think you may be having to many assumptions about the wii, looking at the other games on it (The resident evil games), i don't think this version will, NOT be an improvement over the original titles on the earlier hardware (as far as graphics, not necessarily art direction).

As to the wii-mote, i assume you were looking forward to the sixaxis controls of the ps3... So it cant be that much a a departure from that.