Square-Enix making new MMORPG and Final Fantasy 7 Spinoff.

[schild]

See, this is what happens when you don't talk to news sites. I hate this company with the blackest part of my soul. Of course, that didn't happen til Final Fantasy 8 came out and aborted the series. Anyway, without further ado, another fantasy MMORPG with a crappy name:

Fantasy Earth: Rings of Dominion:

In short, it looks like they are trying to cannibalize their own market. Meh, I'm bored with Squares view on medieval times. It captivated me the first 7 times and continues too with their tactics games. But more of the same rpg crap? Naw. No thanks.

Dirge of Cerberus: Final Fantasy VII:

Will they bring back Aerith? Could Cloud become a tad more heterosexual, plz? Could Square please come up with some interesting IP that hasn't been beaten to death with a horse?

If you answered 'No' to all of this, then I'm proud to say you don't care about Squaresoft and their ridiculous single player treadmills.

The above post was made solely because people seem to like News. Particularly news about Square-Enix. Why? Fuck if I know. To me, they died in 2001.

[Margalis]

I'm guessing Fantasy Earth is more like Phantasy Star Online than FFXI. As in, real time action rather RPG style combat.

[geldonyetich]

Re: New Squaresoft MMORPG: Well, what can I say, they showed they can make the highest quality EQ clone ever with FFXI.    I'm not sweating it at the moment, if the release goes anything like FFXI, we'll not see the game in the states until it's over 8 months released in Japan first.

Re: Final Fantasy VII Spin-off.   I liked FFVII, I thought the characters were uniquely charismatic (in sort of a cartoonish way).   However, Vincent strikes me as a wierd character to spin-off with.   I seem to recall he was a Shinra employee that got his ass kicked by the party repeatably until he and his buddies decided to stop being Shinra corperate shills.   What a hero.

[Fabricated]

Re: Final Fantasy VII Spin-off.   I liked FFVII, I thought the characters were uniquely charismatic (in sort of a cartoonish way).   However, Vincent strikes me as a wierd character to spin-off with.   I seem to recall he was a Shinra employee that got his ass kicked by the party repeatably until he and his buddies decided to stop being Shinra corperate shills.   What a hero.

Nah, Vincent got his ass kicked once, then in true goth fashion he nailed himself inside of a coffin and wallowed in self pity.

Will they bring back Aerith?

God, I hope not. I was so happy when her worthless ass died.

Could Cloud become a tad more heterosexual, plz? Could Square please come up with some interesting IP that hasn't been beaten to death with a horse?

It would take some violation of the laws of thermodynamics to make Cloud less gay than a 3 dollar bill, and as for the second question, no. never.

[Resvrgam]

See, this is what happens when you don't talk to news sites. I hate this company with the blackest part of my soul. Of course, that didn't happen til Final Fantasy 8 came out and aborted the series. Anyway, without further ado, another fantasy MMORPG with a crappy name:

Fantasy Earth: Rings of Dominion

Oh look, It's Final Fantasy XI...again....with a different name.

Am I the only one who is tired of all the japanese visual-diarrhea we're getting in the name of RPGs?  Sure, there's shiny graphics and Uematsu-san is a musical genious, but I'm sick of all this kiddie-porn-eque crap with seizue-inducing visuals and absolutely NO substance.   I'd like to see a game where you can mercilessly hunt down those doe-eyed mongoloids and put a most violent end to their pointless (and thoroughly annoying) existences!   The Pokemon fad is old and starting to annoy me.

[ahoythematey]

You do realize FF was around long before Pokemon, don't you?  I also feel the need to point out that there are probably some korean/japanese MMO fans who look at all these american/european MMO's and think, "Those clumsy barbarians, their artwork lacks character and the colors are washed out.  Why can't they draw with a sense of style?"

Not saying I agree, but...you know, different cultures and all that...

[schild]

Final Fantasy was around long before Pokemon, ya. But Pokemon made anime popular amongst the tippie-ties. (Pootie Tang anyone? No? ok.) Anyway, point is, Final Fantasy is going the keke ^_^ route rather than a stylistic route. That's lame. It's what I expect and enjoy when Gravity (makers of RO) give it to me. Not SquareEnix. I expect more from them.

[ahoythematey]

To be entirely honest, it's the people who were really into anime before Pokemon that scare me more than anything.  And that is saying something, as I knew about shit like Tranzor Z long before Pokemon was conceived.

[AOFanboi]

To be entirely honest, it's the people who were really into anime before Pokemon that scare me more than anything.  And that is saying something, as I knew about shit like Tranzor Z long before Pokemon was conceived.

What, are you dissing "fans" of Urotsukidoji and La Blue Girl? For shame! Tentacle rape for teh win.

(That is the problem though, media in the "old days" focusing on schoolgirls getting raped by demons instead of wholesome anime like Tenchi Muyo or more philosophical stuff like Nausicäa. The focus on the "bad" movies and series perhaps drew the wrong kind of fan to the genre.)

[Resvrgam]

I actually have no problem with anime (nor the "asian aesthetic": I'm part Korean myself).

My problem lies in the absolute lack of any substance in favour of bright, shiny colours and inane plots more shallow than most puddles in the Sahara.

Squaresoft (Enix) has made this "Let's fool our fanbase into thinking we have good games by shoveling some decent CGI custcenes into a really lame and tired game formula" design popular and I'm tired of it.

These games have NO innovation in design and are absolutely horrible to play (especially if you removed all the eye-candy cutscenes).

I'm not dissing anime, the asian aesthetic or even RPGs, I'm just pointing out how utterly devoid of substance most of Square's products are.    Heck, Hideo Kojima's opus was destroyed by this pathetic attempt of over sensationalism instead of substance.   Clancy's "Splinter Cell" is actually profiting as a result of Metal Gear's descent into visual diarrhea instead of substance.  I wonder how long the average custcene will be in Snake Eater and if it will entail such wonderful topics as: incest, rape & whiny, self-pity wrapped in the most drawn out melodrama I've ever seen as MGS2 contained.

The excuse: "These games aren't targeted toward a 'western' audience" is total crap.  I'm not 'western' nor do I have any differing expectations on a game's funfactor depending on my geographic location.

[SirBruce]

I've learned from this thread that many of the posters here know almost nothing about anime, and yet feel qualified to speak with authority about the subject.

Bruce

[schild]

I've learned from this thread that many of the posters here know almost nothing about anime, and yet feel qualified to speak with authority about the subject.

Bruce

[plangent]

I've learned from this thread that many of the posters here know almost nothing about anime, and yet feel qualified to speak with authority about the subject.

It's perfectly easy to be critical.  Lead by example, please.

[Dark Vengeance]

amongst the tippie-ties. (Pootie Tang anyone? No? ok.)

That's tippie-TAIs, my damie. Sepatown!

Bring the noise.
Cheers.............

[Sable Blaze]

Some anime is worth pursuing and actually is...umm...lets say intellectually stimulating.

Some, however, is pure garbage and best avoided at all costs.

Like movies and (heh) TV, it's best to take what you like and reject the rest. In terms of what's out there, I generally prefer anime to the other two, as it's far better and thought provoking entertainment.

[Sable Blaze]

Some anime is worth pursuing and actually is...umm...lets say intellectually stimulating.

Some, however, is pure garbage and best avoided at all costs.

Like movies and (heh) TV, it's best to take what you like and reject the rest. In terms of what's out there, I generally prefer anime to the other two, as it's far better and thought provoking entertainment.

[El Gallo]

I'm not ashamed to admit that I was sad when Aeris died.

[Rasix]

I'm not ashamed to admit that I was sad when Aeris died.

Same. I liked the chick. I liked the relationship Cloud was building with her.  I wouldn't say I came next to tears, but her death had a decent emotional impact I don't get in too many games nowadays.

[schild]

It was the only moment in gaming where I shed a tear. If that makes me less of a man, so be it.

[NiX]

Amen to that. Sad, sad moment. I think the music for that scene made the impact of her death seem a little bit more touching.

[Lum]

Eh, call me a heretic, I preferred FFX's story to FF7. Aerith's death was telegraphed a few miles away, so it didn't quite have much impact for me. However, when FFX worked up to where Tidus figured out what was supposed to happen at the end of Yuna's pilgrimage, even though I had known for quite some time what the character didn't, the delivery was effective enough to make me tear up.

Square has kind of retold the same basic story for what, 8 games now? Maybe someone should write them a new one.

[Rasix]

I never did get to see the end of FFX. My roommate moved before I could beat it.  Several parts of FFX were rather moving even if most of the dialog and voice acting was rather cringe-worthy.  It was sure better than the tepid story that FFIX delivered (complete with tail sporting hero.. ugggg).

[Lum]

Squaresoft (Enix) has made this "Let's fool our fanbase into thinking we have good games by shoveling some decent CGI custcenes into a really lame and tired game formula" design popular and I'm tired of it.

These games have NO innovation in design and are absolutely horrible to play (especially if you removed all the eye-candy cutscenes).

If you take away all of FFX's eye candy (which is difficult since the basic engine itself generates much of it; about the only way you can tell when a cut scene is happening is because the characters look subtly more Asian) you're left with probably the best way to handle a RPG treadmill I've seen. Constant low-level feedback, combined with a guided yet subtly free-form skill system.  Other games could do worse.

Several parts of FFX were rather moving even if most of the dialog and voice acting was rather cringe-worthy.

Two main reasons for that:

1) The Japanese version was lip-synced. Thus the English dialogue had artifically padded spacing since the time for each spoken line didn't mesh.
2) The http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0123102/">voice actress for Yuna wasn't very good.

[Glazius]

I never did get to see the end of FFX. My roommate moved before I could beat it.  Several parts of FFX were rather moving even if most of the dialog and voice acting was rather cringe-worthy.  It was sure better than the tepid story that FFIX delivered (complete with tail sporting hero.. ugggg).

I dunno. I'll agree that the story bordered on _un_story (you have to add some plot just to get back to nothingness), but the cast of characters felt 'real', for lack of a better word. Like...

It's kinda tough to describe, but you've seen things like the Muppet Christmas Carol, where the cast manages to be both the core Muppet personalities and telling the story of the Christmas Carol? I call that sort of thing 'ensemble cast'.

Maybe it was the fact that Mr. Tail is part of a traveling theater troupe, but I get the 'ensemble cast' vibe from FF9. So it didn't matter that the story was lackluster, since the characters were just acting out their parts anyway.

--GF

[ahoythematey]

Well...FF IX was mostly aiming for fanservice and playful rememberance.  It was their last hurrah on the psx and their last FF game using the core structure of the series since ff4, so they probably felt the story could take a backseat to the homages towards previous games and the "ensemble" as glazius describes it.  However, I still feel their were a few particular moments that were touching, including a good deal of Vivi's "story" as well as Zidane going back for Kuja even though the guy tried to destroy the world, being led by his [Zidane's] understanding and strong morals(which, now that I think about it, reminds me of the final Trigun episode and Vash's last encounter with Knives).


...

God, I am such a fucking loser...

[Jain Zar]

That new Square MMORPG looks like a PSO for pedophiles.  Nothing but big breasted barely dressed girl children in the entire preview except for a couple shots of some dude with a sword.

Ill stick to PSO where the only deviancy is Elenor the pink maidbot with a giant sniper rifle.

Characters in that series don't seem to be as big on the cleavage.  Considering one of Phantasy Star's primary creators (Reiko Kodama) is a woman, no wonder its less creepy.  

Square should just team up with those DOA guys and make the sexually deviant game they come just shy of making anyhow and be done with it.  Its blantantly obvious anyhow, and its what the fans want.

Give the ladies all their pretty boy gay stuff, and the men their pedo rape crap and stop pretending that's not what a huge portion of their fanbase wants when all evidence says otherwise.

Im not sure what's worse.  The Square fan sexual deviancy or the Fallout fan super hate turned to 11...

[Resvrgam]

Characters in that series don't seem to be as big on the cleavage.  Considering one of Phantasy Star's primary creators (Reiko Kodama) is a woman, no wonder its less creepy.  

I loved the original Phantasy Star series (1,2, & 4) more than Square's FF series (post FF 3).

I'm surprised there's no anal-tentacle rape of a 12-year old girl with a 20-year-old's boobs in a school-girl sailor-suit featured in Square's next MMOG - all pre-rendered in the latest CGI technology, of course.
Phantasy Star 1 didn't even have a single "metrosexual male" in the entire game.  It's a shame that trend never caught on in Square's camp.

[ahoythematey]

I'm not saying that you don't have a clue, but these comments I keep hearing sure make me think that you fucking don't.  Squaresoft characters are quite a ways off from Dead or Alive's nonsense, and both of them aren't even on the same fucking planet with much of the stuff in Japan that never sees the light of day here.  Call their guys effeminate(even though you are then generally speaking about 90% of male characters in japan's games and not just Square alone), call their girls disturbingly over-proportioned for their age, but stop assuming that catering to pedophilia and furries is their [Squaresoft's] aim, at all, particularly when these games are made for their market first, ours second(if at all), which means if the majority of gamers in japan like their guys effeminate and with tails, then they get just that.  Shit, almost every male character that Yoshitaka Amano draws is a woman sans-breasts, but that doesn't make him or his artwork "lesser".

[AOFanboi]

That new Square MMORPG looks like a PSO for pedophiles.

If you are incapable of interacting with under-age females without associating it with sex, please consult a shrink. Or are you saying that FF games are about the sexual exploits of the lead character?

Also, Asians are often shorter and have smaller tits compared to their Western counterparts, partly due to differences in what they eat in traditional cuisine.

And if they have tits they have hit puberty, and are not children in the paedophile sense (since they go for pre-pubertal children). Remember, there are countries with age of consent as low as twelve.

And if the lead character is, say, 16 and chats up a girl of 14, that's not exactly wrong just because you the player is old enough to be father to both of them.

[Jain Zar]

Ah, to be as young and innocent as you..  Now off you go to Google.  Turn Safesearch off and start plugging in names in image search.  Then go out and grab a bottle of Wild Turkey for every hour you subjected yourself to.

And in case you were wondering, when your mommy told you there were no monsters, no real ones, she was lying her ass off.

[Dark Vengeance]

And in case you were wondering, when your mommy told you there were no monsters, no real ones, she was lying her ass off.

You know the discussion has hit a new low when people start paraphrasing Newt from Aliens.



Now cut it the fuck out before she starts that high-pitched screaming and calls in Sigourney Weaver to bust out the flamethrower on your asses.

Bring the noise.
Cheers..............

[AOFanboi]

GET AWAY FRM HER U B1TCH LOL!!!1!

Man, I hope they never make a MMORPG set in the Alien universe.

[SurfD]

Ah, to be as young and innocent as you..  Now off you go to Google.  Turn Safesearch off and start plugging in names in image search.  Then go out and grab a bottle of Wild Turkey for every hour you subjected yourself to.

And in case you were wondering, when your mommy told you there were no monsters, no real ones, she was lying her ass off.

You know, it is stupidity like this that makes people completely disregard everything you say.  See, Square-Enix does not make sexually deviant games, or sexually deviant characters.  The fact that you choose to see some psycho fanart made by people with far too much time on their hands as some kind of indication as such does not make it so.

I am quite sure you could fire up google image search and plug in FUCKING ANYTHING with a female character in it (heres an idea, why not look up PSO?) and turn up disturbing images.