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Topic: Tabula Rasa, now with no FUN! (Read 514493 times)
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Merusk
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Hey now, not all of us AOL users from that time were idiots. Some of us actually took the time to learn how to fucking behave.
The pay-per-hour days were definitely a filter of their own sort even though I'll concede the AOL idiocy was pervasive enough it justified many blanked domain bans. (And got worse when the hourly rate was dropped.) It should be an axiom that the more accessible something is, the worse it is guaranteed to be. It's worked for everything so far.
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sam, an eggplant
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And then AOL subscribers got access to Usenet... I remember that day clearly, it destroyed a community that had taken years to build in a single day. Post volumes instantly sextupled, then increased logarithmically over the next week. Imagine opening up the sunday times and seeing the ORLY owl or shamans bitching about warlocks. Truly, it was a sad day. |
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Xanthippe
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I guess I'm thinking back to a time earlier than most of you. Yes, I realize that idiots are ubiquitous. In the early, pre-internet online computer world, most people I ran into were either engineers, computer scientists, or students in those fields. I found that it was far easier to find intelligent conversation than it is now that the PC with an internet connection is far more commonplace. If you have a different opinion, perhaps our experiences were different. I just know that the first time I heard the general chat channel in WoW or when I stumbled into VN that I was saddened for the state of humanity.
Yup, back when the Internet was "non-commerical" places like Usenet were populated with University people and people from tech companies who were part of the early backbone. And then AOL subscribers got access to Usenet... How far are you going back? Recall the war between alt.tasteless and rec.pet.cats? The many and various newsgroups that were made for no purpose than griefing? There was plenty of asstard-ry. |
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Trippy
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Yup, back when the Internet was "non-commerical" places like Usenet were populated with University people and people from tech companies who were part of the early backbone. And then AOL subscribers got access to Usenet...
How far are you going back? Recall the war between alt.tasteless and rec.pet.cats? The many and various newsgroups that were made for no purpose than griefing? There was plenty of asstard-ry. 86 or so is when I first started posting regularly. Things weren't quite so bad back then. |
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schild
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I loved usenet in the 80s. I wish I knew of a war between alt.tasteless and rec.pet.cats. Sounds like a good time.
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Johny Cee
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Sigh.... The things I missed because I didn't have internet until I went to college in '94.  |
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Xanthippe
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I loved usenet in the 80s. I wish I knew of a war between alt.tasteless and rec.pet.cats. Sounds like a good time.
Someone crossposted to both groups how to cook a cat, which led to a rather spectacular flame war. The two groups probably couldn't have been more different. |
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schild
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I definitely want an archive of that.
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Der Helm
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I definitely want an archive of that.
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bhodi
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The many and various newsgroups that were made for no purpose than griefing? There was plenty of asstard-ry.
alt.wesley.crusher.die.die.die? |
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Trippy
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alt.swedish.chef.bork.bork.bork came first, I believe.
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Samwise
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I have fond memories of alt.barney.dinosaur.die.die.die.
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Surlyboi
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Tuned in, immediately get to watch cringey Ubisoft talking head offering her deepest sympathies to the families impacted by the Orlando shooting while flanked by a man in a giraffe suit and some sort of "horrifically garish neon costumes through the ages" exhibit or something. We need to stop this fucking planet right now and sort some shit out. -Kail
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« Last Edit: September 16, 2007, 06:39:50 AM by we are lesion »
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BigBlack
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Watching the frontpage video showing the first 20 minutes of gameplay probably saved me 50 dollars. Thanks for that.
Oddly enough, looking at the video I'm absolutely bowled over that they didn't go first-person with this. The style of gameplay, and the greater emphasis on PvE rather than PvP, mean this would probably be less latency-intensive than Planetside (feel free to jump in and correct me if I'm wrong on this), and PlanetSide does just fine.
If this were actually an FPS -- or at least did a decent job at adapting FPS gameplay to online play, a-la either PlanetSide or Neocron, I'd buy in a heartbeat.
All I can hope for now is that it's a flop, causing them to NGE the hell out of it early on because they have little to lose, and maybe a few years from now I've got an interesting game to play.
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« Last Edit: September 16, 2007, 05:38:32 PM by BigBlack »
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Slayerik
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Watching the frontpage video showing the first 20 minutes of gameplay probably saved me 50 dollars. Thanks for that.
Oddly enough, looking at the video I'm absolutely bowled over that they didn't go first-person with this. The style of gameplay, and the greater emphasis on PvE rather than PvP, mean this would probably be less latency-intensive than Planetside (feel free to jump in and correct me if I'm wrong on this), and PlanetSide does just fine.
If this were actually an FPS -- or at least did a decent job at adapting FPS gameplay to online play, a-la either PlanetSide or Neocron, I'd buy in a heartbeat.
All I can hope for now is that it's a flop, causing them to NGE the hell out of it early on because they have little to lose, and maybe a few years from now I've got an interesting game to play.
Their first mistake was making the game so PVE centric. Half ass games can get by for a while if their PVP is solid. The game might have at least got more than a 5 minute try by me if the promise of pwning noobs was in my future. Pwning foozles? Not so much. |
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Secundo
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It wants to be a free game but even then I wouldnt play. But maybe a bunch of poor kids would. It's not bad, just uninteresting.
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Furiously
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I seem to recall a lot of talk about focusing on the "fun" in this game in a Richard Garriot interview...
I'm starting to think he doesn't know what fun is.
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Nebu
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I'm starting to think he doesn't know what fun is.
Welcome to the world of MMO design prerequisites. |
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Simond
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Can we take it as read yet that most of the MMOG pioneers had no idea whatsoever what they were doing and just got very lucky, or do we need to wait for WAR to launch first?
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Merusk
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Most of them have pretty much said that, so I thought it was a given already.
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schild
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Publicity. British doesn't have interests, only delusions.
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Sky
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Dude, his dad was an astronaut. Of course he wants to go into space. Then again, who wouldn't? It'd be a blast.
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LK
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Dude, his dad was an astronaut. Of course he wants to go into space. Then again, who wouldn't? It'd be a blast.
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Grublet
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Publicity. British doesn't have interests, only delusions.
And a rat tail. |
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Sky
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I love my TV an' hug my TV an' call it 'George'.
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Can we take it as read yet that most of the MMOG pioneers had no idea whatsoever what they were doing and just got very lucky, or do we need to wait for WAR to launch first?
That's the case with most successful people. Very few replicate their success. Besides, Garriot gets something of a pass because he didn't just get lucky once. He made a bunch of great games before UO came along. Making fun of his rat-tail and modern delusions is all good internet anonymous fun, but the man has done more for gaming than anyone saying such crap. You stay classy, anonymous internet insulter. |
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LK
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I had a cousin who was born with a tail. It wasn't a rat's tail, though. I guess it was some sort of strange ancient human tail. I never saw it but I remember everyone whispering about it. Every time I asked to see it, someone shouted at me. There are entire online communities that would probably be envious of your cousin. |
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Grublet
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For anyone that cares...
Tabula Rasa is not going to segregate US and Eurotrash in the live game. Methinks they are worried about server population.
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cmlancas
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Uhm. What the hell?
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For anyone that cares...
Tabula Rasa is not going to segregate US and Eurotrash in the live game. Methinks they are worried about server population.
I don't follow. Why would letting players choose what continent [timezone] they prefer to play have impact on server population? What's with releasing a Euro client anyway? Is it about subscription fees (15 Euro > 15 USD)? |
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Venkman
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NC is a global company. Why wouldn't they want to launch in more than just one territory, particularly when so many other games have too?
As to the server population, I think it's more a matter of density. If EU players were separate from US players, and both markets decline, both groups experience a lessening amount of players, lessening amount of instanced public zones, lessening amount of PUG potential, lessening amount of examples that other people like the game too. It then becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy, the reason for server merges and bad press. Obviously if a decline is going to happen, it will anyway. But this lets them stem the tide somewhat if it does.
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Grublet
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NC is a global company. Why wouldn't they want to launch in more than just one territory, particularly when so many other games have too?
As to the server population, I think it's more a matter of density. If EU players were separate from US players, and both markets decline, both groups experience a lessening amount of players, lessening amount of instanced public zones, lessening amount of PUG potential, lessening amount of examples that other people like the game too. It then becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy, the reason for server merges and bad press. Obviously if a decline is going to happen, it will anyway. But this lets them stem the tide somewhat if it does.
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