BioShock [NO SPOILERS]

[Big Gulp]

Yea, that goddamn music. Heh. It makes you feel really nice, it's a moment of peace in that awful world.

I've intentionally put some steel in my spine, and have decided that I'm harvesting every last one of those little bitches the first time around.  Then I'll replay it and save 'em all for the hot, hot achievements that gives you.

[Samprimary]

Enough story to fill a supertanker is questionable at this point. Very questionable.

This new hallway was definitely creepy. Creepy sounds were happening! So I looked around the corner. Some crazy shit tried to kill me, so I had to fight it and then search everything to try to pump myself back up to enough of a condition to press on. Man, this place sucks. I read this audio log that underscores that fact, too. So I stepped over some broken shit and moved on. This new hallway was definitely creepy. Creepy sounds were happening! So I looked around the corner. Some crazy shit tried to kill me, so I had to fight it and then search everything to try to pump myself back up to enough of a condition to press on. Man, this place sucks. I read this audio log that underscores that fact, too. So I stepped over some broken shit and moved on. This new hallway was definitely creepy. Creepy sounds were happening! So I looked around the corner. Some crazy shit tried to kill me, so I had to fight it and then search everything to try to pump myself back up to enough of a condition to press on. Man, this place sucks. I read this audio log that underscores that fact, too. So I stepped over some broken shit and moved on. This new hallway was definitely creepy. Creepy sounds were happening! So I looked around the corner. Some crazy shit tried to kill me, so I had to fight it and then search everything to try to pump myself back up to enough of a condition to press on. Man, this place sucks. I read this audio log that underscores that fact, too. So I stepped over some broken shit and moved on. This new hallway was definitely creepy. Creepy sounds were happening! So I looked around the corner. Some crazy shit tried to kill me, so I had to fight it and then search everything to try to pump myself back up to enough of a condition to press on. Man, this place sucks. I read this audio log that underscores that fact, too. So I stepped over some broken shit and moved on. This new hallway was definitely creepy. Creepy sounds were happening! So I looked around the corner. Some crazy shit tried to kill me, so I had to fight it and then search everything to try to pump myself back up to enough of a condition to press on. Man, this place sucks. I read this audio log that underscores that fact, too. So I stepped over some broken shit and moved on. This new hallway was definitely creepy. Creepy sounds were happening! So I looked around the corner. Some crazy shit tried to kill me, so I had to fight it and then search everything to try to pump myself back up to enough of a condition to press on. Man, this place sucks. I read this audio log that underscores that fact, too. So I stepped over some broken shit and moved on. This new hallway was definitely creepy. Creepy sounds were happening! So I looked around the corner. Some crazy shit tried to kill me, so I had to fight it and then search everything to try to pump myself back up to enough of a condition to press on. Man, this place sucks. I read this audio log that underscores that fact, too. So I stepped over some broken shit and moved on.

[Trippy]

That sounds like you are playing DOOM III.

[Xilren's Twin]

Which one of you bastards is going to patch this thing so I can play it?

Well, I can report success today.  After reinstalling the beta drivers and Direct X 9c, i was able to play the game fine by disabling the High Detail Shaders.  Have you tried that Way? Dual core, 1 GB ram and a geforce 7900 btw.

And yes, the game itself is robot jesus thus far.  Art direction, decent use or darkness and light, sounds, story that ties together so far, clue delivery via audio logs, options for weapons/powers and thier use (i.e. shocking groups on enemies standing in pools of water) etc.  Definately scratching that SS2 itch.  I couldnt bring myself to harvest the little sisters after seeing the first turn back into normal little girl, which to me is a sign of a good game environment.  I buy into the atmosphere.

[sigil]

A person who has gone through the trouble to look for all the tapes who has one quarter of a brain will figure out the first big twist shortly after you get to the fish market. One tape in particular is like *DING DING DING*

[Samprimary]

That sounds like you are playing DOOM III.

No, doom III was:

Oh cool there's some armor and/or ammunition lying on the ground I think I will go pick it up. Shit! A bunch of completely unexpected enemies popped out of absolutely nowhere, unexpectedly! Now I'm all hurt. And I still can't see. Well, let's find ourselves some more gear and keep slogging through this wretched turbocyber shit-pit. Oh cool there's some armor and/or ammunition lying on the ground I think I will go pick it up. Shit! A bunch of completely unexpected enemies popped out of absolutely nowhere, unexpectedly! Now I'm all hurt. And I still can't see. Well, let's find ourselves some more gear and keep slogging through this wretched turbocyber shit-pit. Oh cool there's some armor and/or ammunition lying on the ground I think I will go pick it up. Shit! A bunch of completely unexpected enemies popped out of absolutely nowhere, unexpectedly! Now I'm all hurt. And I still can't see. Well, let's find ourselves some more gear and keep slogging through this wretched turbocyber shit-pit. Oh cool there's some armor and/or ammunition lying on the ground I think I will go pick it up. Shit! A bunch of completely unexpected enemies popped out of absolutely nowhere, unexpectedly! Now I'm all hurt. And I still can't see. Well, let's find ourselves some more gear and keep slogging through this wretched turbocyber shit-pit. Oh cool there's some armor and/or ammunition lying on the ground I think I will go pick it up. Shit! A bunch of completely unexpected enemies popped out of absolutely nowhere, unexpectedly! Now I'm all hurt. And I still can't see. Well, let's find ourselves some more gear and keep slogging through this wretched turbocyber shit-pit.

[Fabricated]

I downloaded the demo and played it... I found it depressing rather than frightening. Beautiful, mind you, beautiful and technically spectacular (water effects, yow!) but it made me feel grim and weary. Maybe I haven't run into the plot points required to start hating these people enough to beat them with a wrench, but I can take no joy in slaughtering a bunch of psychotic drug addicts. It's like killing brownshirts in the original Wolfenstein3D. I could only gun down so many before I felt sorta sick.

Self-defense? Sure, in context... but I'm choosing to play the game. Sadness is not an emotion I seek from my entertainment.

That is one of the things that really annoys the shit out of me in games that have any sort of tragic or misled antagonists, why the fuck can't I talk to them at all?

In Bioshock the splicers have NO PROBLEM talking with eachother for every dumb plot event, even if they are half-hostile to eachother. Why can't I just let a splicer that uses the "I JUST WANNA TAAALK!" and "I'M NOT A BAD PERSON! WHY DO THEY ALWAYS RUN!?" voice set swing and swing and swing and miss until he tires out enough for me to say, "Hey stupid, you're not hitting me and I got nothing you can really use. How about you let me go fuck up the psychopath who didn't do anything to keep you safe?"

I've never heard of a game that lets you do stuff like that ever. How awesome would it be to be able to negotiate to end a gunfight while in the middle of one? Trade shots from cover while doing a dialog tree/minigame at the same time instead of the Bioware-style "POOSH X, GET GUN BATEL, POOSH Y, GET PEECE" stuff?

[schild]

I've never heard of a game that lets you do stuff like that ever. How awesome would it be to be able to negotiate to end a gunfight while in the middle of one? Trade shots from cover while doing a dialog tree/minigame at the same time instead of the Bioware-style "POOSH X, GET GUN BATEL, POOSH Y, GET PEECE" stuff?

Some of the enemies negotiate to get away in uhhhhh

Samurai Western.

But it's always scripted.

[trias_e]

Well, I can report success today.  After reinstalling the beta drivers and Direct X 9c, i was able to play the game fine by disabling the High Detail Shaders.  Have you tried that Way? Dual core, 1 GB ram and a geforce 7900 btw.

I also got the game to work only by disabling high detail shaders.  Otherwise it would crash ridiculously often.  And this really pisses me off, because the game looks MUCH better with the shaders on, and it was running at perfectly acceptable framerates as well!

WHY.

[Trippy]

I'm running with everything set on High (it defaulted to that) on a 7800 GT with ForceWare v94.24.

[Stormwaltz]

I am becoming increasingly angry with this game. That might be because I still can't play it.

Because 2K's web site is down - presumably due to the furor over the genius and flaws in the game - the patcher would not work. To my considerable surprise, aborting the patcher deleted the entire 8 GB install from my hard drive.

[schild]

To my considerable surprise, aborting the patcher deleted the entire 8 GB install from my hard drive.

I posted this in the other thread a week before the game came out.

[lesion]

ignoring logistics there are definitely some wtf-mate decisions feeding this terrible monster. like not being able to re-arrange plasmids/weapons (minus swapping out plasmids), or not being able to check what tonics you currently have on the fly...or the section just before the end of the game. f f fuck. the ending made up for that last bit though. no rest for the wicked.

[Trippy]

I am becoming increasingly angry with this game. That might be because I still can't play it.

Because 2K's web site is down - presumably due to the furor over the genius and flaws in the game - the patcher would not work. To my considerable surprise, aborting the patcher deleted the entire 8 GB install from my hard drive.

Wow that sucks.

[Kitsune]

None of the Shock series have ever had a story to speak of, the protagonist's always mute.  If you went in expecting some Final Fantasy thing of scripted love and betrayal, you bought the wrong game.  The protagonist never has the free time to indulge anything but the constant effort of survival, and certainly doesn't have the time to stick around for a few weeks to build lasting relationships with the other characters.  The storyliine in the Shock games is always in the past, its events and characters revealed to the player in tiny pieces as they play, allowing the player to learn the whole of the situation without compromising the action.

[Azazel]

Apparently if you properly uninstall the game it will free up one of your two allowed computers, so if you plan on playing again on a different computer in the future just be sure to uninstall bioshock before you give your computer away or format the hard drives.

So make sure you don't suffer from a fucking severe crash/power surge/computer meltdown/stolen computer/etc kids. Else they'll expect you to call up secureROM..

if by some chance you are reinstalling this game without uninstalling it first, a lot, there is a chance you may have to call securom and get a key, or deactivate some older installations.

Since I'm not worried about playing this game RIGHT NOW, I'll wait and see how this pans out before deciding whether to buy it via Steam or get myself an "evaluation copy".  

[Ironwood]

I'm running with everything set on High (it defaulted to that) on a 7800 GT with ForceWare v94.24.

Love ya.  That's what I wanted to hear.  I was getting increasingly edgy.

[Bunk]

ignoring logistics there are definitely some wtf-mate decisions feeding this terrible monster. like not being able to re-arrange plasmids/weapons (minus swapping out plasmids), or not being able to check what tonics you currently have on the fly...or the section just before the end of the game. f f fuck. the ending made up for that last bit though. no rest for the wicked.

Ending!?! Seriosuly, people without jobs should not be allowed here.

The clue in the Fishmarket is rather heavy handed, but thats as far as I've been so far. Really though, the revelation of that twist just made me more curious as to what is really going on.

[cmlancas]

When did this become the discuss Bioshock plot thread? Go away and post in another thread!

[Riggswolfe]

Look Mr. Bubbles its an angel.

Speaking of the little sisters - I can't bring myself to harvest them.    I made the mistake of rescuing the first one and that ruined me. 

I was going to harvest them on the theory that they're little demon children and it'd make humanity safer from Japanese horror films. But my girlfriend was watching and she was like "No save her!" So I did. And now I can't help saving them and have been known to do horrible, evil things to splicers that try to mess with them. *sighs* damn emotional manipulation.

[murdoc]

Yeah, there be spoilers in here... small ones, but spoilers none the less.

I got my copy last night and played about an hour past the demo. I'm loving the game so far. I just wish there was a bit more interaction with the splicers other than 'Nuke 'em before they see you'. Plus, it would be nice to be able to peak around corners when I can hear voices. I feel like I'm always going 'a-HA!' as I jump out with a fist-full o' lightning and a wrench.

[sigil]

Yeah, there be spoilers in here... small ones, but spoilers none the less.

It's a fine line, and no one has made the jump to spoiler forum yet. You want to talk about the game, but you're not done and you don't want to find out the Snape Killed Dumbledore, you just want to talk about that point in the middle that you thought was really good.


Fuck it. I'm heading over to spoiler town. I have an idea.

[Miasma]

Something Awful's "Truth Media" has put up an incredibly error filled review on purpose just to see the most militant fanbois' reaction.  They also only gave the game a 7.5 because so many people were upset at gamespot only giving it a 9.0 .

If you have a friend who loves the game and you want to yank their chain send them the link...

[lesion]

sorry for misleading anyone; this game, in fact, has no end. the last bit is a realtime ocean-floor footrace with a big daddy. first one to Mexico gets the jewels, but not before they're seduced by a feisty mother of five who gets by on wits and a little bit of luck.

[trias_e]

My friend actually hates the game.  For real.  His complaints:  Looks like shit on his computer (his is top of the line) and auto-aiming (huh?  I'm pretty sure this doesn't exist).

So to yank his chain I just send him the metacritic link and laugh as he gets exasperated.

[sigil]

My friend actually hates the game.  For real.  His complaints:  Looks like shit on his computer (his is top of the line) and auto-aiming (huh?  I'm pretty sure this doesn't exist).

So to yank his chain I just send him the metacritic link and laugh as he gets exasperated.

Auto aiming on the 360, not on PC.

[WayAbvPar]

Which one of you bastards is going to patch this thing so I can play it?

Well, I can report success today.  After reinstalling the beta drivers and Direct X 9c, i was able to play the game fine by disabling the High Detail Shaders.  Have you tried that Way? Dual core, 1 GB ram and a geforce 7900 btw.

And yes, the game itself is robot jesus thus far.  Art direction, decent use or darkness and light, sounds, story that ties together so far, clue delivery via audio logs, options for weapons/powers and thier use (i.e. shocking groups on enemies standing in pools of water) etc.  Definately scratching that SS2 itch.  I couldnt bring myself to harvest the little sisters after seeing the first turn back into normal little girl, which to me is a sign of a good game environment.  I buy into the atmosphere.

I read about the High Detail Shaders problem last night on the Tech Support forum and was going to ask if anyone had any luck with it. I didn't have time last night, but will check it out tonight and see if it helps.

Glad you got it working! I can't wait to play it.

[trotski]

I also played this last night for about an hour after the demo.  Holy crap, I love everything about this game.  Is it just me, or is this game just creepy? I'm comfortable enough with my own sexuality to admit that I jumped at a couple parts, with the speakers turned way up. There hasn't been a game in a LONG time that has held my attention as intently as this, this is going to seriously cut into my guitar playing efforts.

[Rasix]

My friend actually hates the game.  For real.  His complaints:  Looks like shit on his computer (his is top of the line) and auto-aiming (huh?  I'm pretty sure this doesn't exist).

So to yank his chain I just send him the metacritic link and laugh as he gets exasperated.

Auto aiming on the 360, not on PC.

I haven't noticed any auto-aiming on the 360.  I believe that's something I would have picked up on.

[Fabricated]

My friend actually hates the game.  For real.  His complaints:  Looks like shit on his computer (his is top of the line) and auto-aiming (huh?  I'm pretty sure this doesn't exist).

So to yank his chain I just send him the metacritic link and laugh as he gets exasperated.

Auto aiming on the 360, not on PC.

I haven't noticed any auto-aiming on the 360.  I believe that's something I would have picked up on.

When I got to try out the Xbox version I felt some autoaim, but not the 5000 different kinds of notautoaim tweaks that the Halo series uses. The wrench seems to magically find people's head's a lot.

[LK]

My friend actually hates the game.  For real.  His complaints:  Looks like shit on his computer (his is top of the line) and auto-aiming (huh?  I'm pretty sure this doesn't exist).

So to yank his chain I just send him the metacritic link and laugh as he gets exasperated.

Auto aiming on the 360, not on PC.

I haven't noticed any auto-aiming on the 360.  I believe that's something I would have picked up on.

Try lobbing explosives at something using Telekinesis.  I would account for any terrain that was in the way of my target, such as them hiding behind a pillar, or if I could see them because I was behind a hill, but auto-aim would cause my Telekinesis throw to go straight at the target, thereby wasting whatever clever use of environment or counter-tactics I had performed.  Oh, love Telekinesis.

I've noticed that the aiming for Electro Bolt on Splicers is *extremely* spotty, such that I have to use it twice in most cases just to get a hit.  It's easier to just close to melee, dodge their melee, and fuck them up.

[LK]

...or the section just before the end of the game. f f fuck. the ending made up for that last bit though. no rest for the wicked.

Why would you even say something like this in this thread, you fucking cunt.  Shit.

[murdoc]

Yeah, autoaim really messes up telekinesis when you try to lob stuff over a piece of the terrain. It's slight, but it's definitely there.

[schild]

...or the section just before the end of the game. f f fuck. the ending made up for that last bit though. no rest for the wicked.

Why would you even say something like this in this thread, you fucking cunt.  Shit.

I'm sorry, what did that ruin?

[cmlancas]

Well, of course, knowing that the game ends. Isn't that the whole point to playing games?

 :-D