Music Wibble

[Merusk]

How much of that is green?

None of it.

I was referring mostly to "Rage Against The Machine is like the most influential band of the 90s." Although giving it more thought that might be more accurate than I first thought. It doesn't seem like grunge bands have had a lasting influence compared to shouty rap-metal.

Slacker Rock?   I think that's what it's called, the 20-somethings in the office listen to lots of it.  Foo Fighters & Cake & White Stripes & other such bands whose names escape my Rock-N-Roll memory.

[stray]

"Slacker rock"? Do you just say that because the young guys working for you are simply just slackers? :)


I don't really think there's any style or sound that had heavy influence from the 90's. Musicially, people are tapping into all kinds of things these days. Though I'll say that the whole lo-fi/garage thing that was happening in the 90's (Pavement, JSBX/Pussy Galore, whatever Steve Albini engineered, etc..) inspired a lot of new bands to go in that direction, production wise. For some reason, having a more stripped down sound finally got popular.

Metal wise: the Melvins, Helmet, Tool, and Prong spawned a thousand imitators.

I like RATM and all, but I really don't see their "impact". Just like I don't see Nirvana's. Hell, I think Radiohead changed more things than they did.

[Johny Cee]

"Slacker rock"? Do you just say that because the young guys working for you are simply just slackers? :)


I don't really think there's any style or sound that had heavy influence from the 90's. Musicially, people are tapping into all kinds of things these days. Though I'll say that the whole lo-fi/garage thing that was happening in the 90's (Pavement, JSBX/Pussy Galore, whatever Steve Albini engineered, etc..) inspired a lot of new bands to go in that direction, production wise. For some reason, having a more stripped down sound finally got popular.

Metal wise: the Melvins, Helmet, Tool, and Prong spawned a thousand imitators.

I like RATM and all, but I really don't see their "impact". Just like I don't see Nirvana's. Hell, I think Radiohead changed more things than they did.

Of all the big bands from the early 90's,  Nirvana and Pearl Jam probably had the least impact despite garnering the most critical and popular acclaim.  Unless you date pop-punk to emerging with Nirvana rather than Green Day.  Pearl Jam was/is just too much of a good 70's hard rock/guitar band,  rather then a new take.  Nirvana was too idiosyncratic.  Just doesn't work without the same people and bizarre artistic taste.

RATM finished up the establishment of rap-rock that Anthrax and Rollins and Ice T spearheaded,  which lead to everything churned out in the late 90's in that genre. 

Metal wise,  I'd put Soundgarden and Alice-in-Chains at the top of the modern metal influences,  outside of the massively heavy stuff. 

[dusematic]

I'm not talking just musically but politically.  Specifically, the 2000 DNC.  Nobody as big as they are really has the balls to do and say what they say.  And to say RATM wasn't musically influential is pretty dimwitted imo, but whatever.  I think they're the forerunner for most influential band of the 90s.  And I'm not the biggest Nirvana guy ever, but they weren't exactly nonentities.  Grunge was popular for like a decade.  I mean Jesus.

[Merusk]

"Slacker rock"? Do you just say that because the young guys working for you are simply just slackers? :)

Nope, that's what the burned CD of songs is labeled. Then there's "Emo songs for Emo Kids" and "I don't know, a bunch of crap"

[Merusk]

RATM finished up the establishment of rap-rock that Anthrax and Rollins and Ice T spearheaded,  which lead to everything churned out in the late 90's in that genre. 

I've always seen Faith No More listed as one of the rap-rock spear-headers. First time I've seen Anthrax or Rollins listed that way.

[stray]

I'm not talking just musically but politically.  Specifically, the 2000 DNC.  Nobody as big as they are really has the balls to do and say what they say.  And to say RATM wasn't musically influential is pretty dimwitted imo, but whatever.  I think they're the forerunner for most influential band of the 90s.  And I'm not the biggest Nirvana guy ever, but they weren't exactly nonentities.  Grunge was popular for like a decade.  I mean Jesus.

If you don't mean musically, then it's a pretty meaningless subject for me to talk about here. It has nothing to do with taking anything away from them. They were good bands. But musically speaking, there just aren't that many people taking their cues from them. Besides that, no one else is going to sound like Tom Morello even if they tried.

[Sky]

Tom Morello is a good guitar player who intentionally plays bad.

There is no most influential rock band in the 90s. Everything is evolution in that period, still is. The 80s was the last revolutionaty period of metal, imo.

The only influential music in the 90s was fucking rap. When is that goddamned trend going to die and Lay-Z going to finally go away? What the fuck does Diddy do, anyway?

Merusk: I'm the Man. Started it all.

[CmdrSlack]

There is no most influential rock band in the 90s. Everything is evolution in that period, still is. The 80s was the last revolutionaty period of metal, imo.

That's because the U.S. Department of Retro has been putting limits on recent-past using.

[Sky]

Oops, I meant Bring the Noise. That really set the shit alight. The Anthrax/Public Enemy crossover.

[Furiously]

How much of that is green?

None of it.

I was referring mostly to "Rage Against The Machine is like the most influential band of the 90s." Although giving it more thought that might be more accurate than I first thought. It doesn't seem like grunge bands have had a lasting influence compared to shouty rap-metal.

The Nina The Pinta The Santa Maria!

[Merusk]

Oops, I meant Bring the Noise. That really set the shit alight. The Anthrax/Public Enemy crossover.

I figured that's where he was going with Anthrax, but Faith No More's first 'big' (Which included "We Care A Lot" - featured in the Mike Rowe "Dirty Jobs" commercials) album predates "Bring The Noise" by almost over 4 years.  "Epic," which was their biggest single, was a hit in 1990, but the album (iirc) was 1989.   The Antrax/ Public Enemy version of Bring The Noise came out in 1991.

[CmdrSlack]

Oops, I meant Bring the Noise. That really set the shit alight. The Anthrax/Public Enemy crossover.

I figured that's where he was going with Anthrax, but Faith No More's first 'big' (Which included "We Care A Lot" - featured in the Mike Rowe "Dirty Jobs" commercials) album predates "Bring The Noise" by almost over 4 years.  "Epic," which was their biggest single, was a hit in 1990, but the album (iirc) was 1989.   The Antrax/ Public Enemy version of Bring The Noise came out in 1991.

Clearly, you're all wrong. It was the Aerosmith-RunDMC version of Walk This Way that kicked it all off.

[Sky]

Oh yeah, I forgot about that one. And I'm the Man came out in the 80s.

[stray]

No way y'all. This is the first rap/rock crossover: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srgi2DkDbPU

Seriously though.. Here's a cool one from umm.. '88, I think. Bad Brains -- With the Quickness More like a Rasta/Funk/Rap/Metal/Punk crossover though ;)

[CmdrSlack]

No way y'all. This is the first rap/rock crossover: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srgi2DkDbPU

Seriously though.. Here's a cool one from umm.. '88, I think. Bad Brains -- With the Quickness More like a Rasta/Funk/Rap/Metal/Punk crossover though ;)

Seeing that video gave me a bad flashback to MTV when it had videos. There was an INXS video where they used that "cards with words" theme.

[Johny Cee]

This has really turned into the "a bunch of guys in their early to mid 30's reliving highschool music"-thread.  Next thing you know,  we'll be talking about who would win in a fight:  Chris Cornell or Danzig.

[stray]

Actually, the correct question is Henry Rollins or Danzig. ;)


Anywho.. Fuck highschool music. The only thing I can still stand from then is Slick Rick. Haha. Just about everything I've posted here is local or new though :)

[dusematic]

This has really turned into the "a bunch of guys in their early to mid 30's reliving highschool music"-thread.  Next thing you know,  we'll be talking about who would win in a fight:  Chris Cornell or Danzig.

True, but I'll always like RATM.  And I don't think the emphasis should be on "who was first."  The emphasis should be on who did it well enough to get other people to notice.

[stray]

I agree with you Duse. RATM deserves a lot of props in their little domain. There were hints of all of that rap rock shit going on long ago, but I still remember a time when me and my bro were driving around one day, way back in the early 90's (I wasn't even 16 I think, and he was already in his 20's), "Know Your Enemy" popped on the radio and we just about shit. Someone finally made it all click. We went to buy an album right away.

[EDIT] Still don't think they were influential though, sonically speaking ;)

[Phildo]

Trick question... Lemmy IS god?

[Sky]

This has really turned into the "a bunch of guys in their early to mid 30's reliving highschool music"-thread. 

Oh, I didn't know we were talking about Slayer, Maiden and Mercyful Fate. I'm apparently older than the majority of the thread.

Most of the music I listen to nowadays spans all recorded music, I have a lot of discs from the 20s-00s. The advent of CDs has really opened up the past in a way that wasn't really possible when I was younger.

[Evildrider]

RUSH... Nuff' said!

[SnakeCharmer]

Not sure if this qualifes as big news, or even the right thread, but a tour announcement is being made Monday regarding a Van Halen reunion tour sans Michael Anthony, who is being sub'd by Wolfgang Van Halen.  So, sort of a reunion tour.

Anyway, Eddie is back out of rehab. 

After / Before picture


Had to be a combination of alcohol, and especially crystal meth.  His teeth were about to fall out of his head.

Good to see you back looking healthy, Eddie.  You were a god back when I was a teenager.

[stray]

Yeah Eddie is a sad story. Not just in looks either. Last interview I read, his mind was totally whacked. I have a confession to make though: I think Van Halen sucks. All the elements were amazing, especially Dave and Eddie... But IMHO, they never made one solid album. Each of their albums would have one or two cool tracks, and the rest would just be 80's prom shit like Jamie's Cryin. I wish they had just made one hard rock album full of tracks like Atomic Punk and On Fire.

I guess I have a gripe like that with a lot of bands though. Like...For example... Danzig. The Misfits were and still the best thing he did.. But why the fuck couldn't he just save up more than $20 and crank out ONE well produced Misfits album? They would have been on cereal boxes and bubble gum wrappers, and had their own Saturday morning cartoon specials. Like Kiss. Except way fucking scarier and better than kiss. And then they would have done something infamous for the whole world to see.

...But instead, all most people remembers as far as black and white makeup and bubble gum wrappers goes IS Kiss. And Kiss deserves to be put through a fucking spaghetti machine.

/rantoff

Sorry! Just a little "What if?"

[SnakeCharmer]

Yeah Eddie is a sad story. Not just in looks either. Last interview I read, his mind was totally whacked. I have a confession to make though: I think Van Halen sucks. All the elements were amazing, especially Dave and Eddie... But IMHO, they never made one solid album. Each of their albums would have one or two cool tracks, and the rest would just be 80's prom shit like Jamie's Cryin. I wish they had just made one hard rock album full of tracks like Atomic Punk and On Fire.

BLASPHEMY!!!!

Actually, as big a VH fan as I am, it's due entirely to EVH.  I never have been a Diamond Dave fan. I thought the songwriting (lyrics) were horrible; the guitar is what does it for me.  Once Hagar got on board, the songwriting improved dramatically - even if a bit too poppy at times.  5150 and OU812 are staples in my CD changer.  I can never get enough of the Brown Sound. 

[Merusk]

Yeah Eddie is a sad story. Not just in looks either. Last interview I read, his mind was totally whacked. I have a confession to make though: I think Van Halen sucks. All the elements were amazing, especially Dave and Eddie... But IMHO, they never made one solid album. Each of their albums would have one or two cool tracks, and the rest would just be 80's prom shit like Jamie's Cryin. I wish they had just made one hard rock album full of tracks like Atomic Punk and On Fire.

I guess I have a gripe like that with a lot of bands though. Like...For example... Danzig. The Misfits were and still the best thing he did.. But why the fuck couldn't he just save up more than $20 and crank out ONE well produced Misfits album? They would have been on cereal boxes and bubble gum wrappers, and had their own Saturday morning cartoon specials. Like Kiss. Except way fucking scarier and better than kiss. And then they would have done something infamous for the whole world to see.

...But instead, all most people remembers as far as black and white makeup and bubble gum wrappers goes IS Kiss. And Kiss deserves to be put through a fucking spaghetti machine.

/rantoff

Sorry! Just a little "What if?"

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[Sky]

I saw Van Halen with the dude from Extreme singing. Live. I got very inebriated beforehand, and was glad of it.

We were front row, it was at the state fair, there were maybe 200 people there and my buddy knew security. Eddie played well, it's what he does, not matter how much of an asshole he is. And he is. But then Gary whatshisface comes bopping onto stage and we both loudly and drunkenly said "Who the fuck is that guy?" It wasn't pretty.

[Selby]

Actually, as big a VH fan as I am, it's due entirely to EVH.  I never have been a Diamond Dave fan. I thought the songwriting (lyrics) were horrible; the guitar is what does it for me.  Once Hagar got on board, the songwriting improved dramatically - even if a bit too poppy at times.  5150 and OU812 are staples in my CD changer.

I think I love you.  I've never heard anyone else other than me admit to thinking Diamond Dave was a bit overrated.  A good showman, yes.  Good quality songs, no.  Most of the early albums I've heard and have usually consist of one or two godly tracks and the rest is just filler\fluff material (like Janie's Crying and You Really Got Me).  A good singles band, but not a good album band (kind of like Tom Petty).  I am a big fan of Sammy Hagar though, because he was in a previous band and carried himself solo before going to Van Halen, which shows me he does have talent outside of a good guitarist to make the songs sound good (unlike Dave's dreadful solo album).  Eddie looks like the crypt keeper now.  Years of hard partying and drinking are not good for you if you can't keep it in moderation!

I guess if we're going to talk about music from high school, for me it was Slayer, Type O Negative, and a host of other bands in similar veins.  I was the only one in my high school not listening to George Strait, Tim McGraw or the Dixie Chicks (small western towns for the win!).  Rage Against the Machine was cool when their first album came out in 1992 (Killing In The Name was awesome when I was 14 and hell, it still is) and Evil Empire was all right, but after that they lost me because I didn't see them growing or progressing much beyond those two albums (and in my opinion they really didn't).

[UD_Delt]

Lots of talk of Mars Volta and ATDI but no love for Sparta? They are the other 2 members from ATDI that didn't join Mars Volta. Their first album was crap but the newer one is decent and MUCH more main stream and listenable than TMV. Deloused was genious, Frances was decent, Amputecthure is just pure crap and reminded me of Kid-A where they had some decent stuff but just put so much pure shit in between the music that it kills the whole thing.

Lately I've been listening to:

TV on the Radio:
http://www.purevolume.com/tvontheradio - Listen to Wolf Like Me

The Postal Service - Same front man as Death Cab for Cutie
http://www.purevolume.com/thepostalservicewa

The Decemberists - Gotta be much love for the Decemberists here...
http://www.purevolume.com/thedecemberistsor

I've also been digging the new songs I've heard from The Used, The Bravery and Finger Eleven but haven't gotten any of their full cds yet. Any reviews?

http://www.purevolume.com/thebravery - Time won't let me go, An honest mistake
http://www.purevolume.com/fingereleven - Paralyzer
http://www.purevolume.com/theused - The Bird and the Worm

[Sky]

I guess if we're going to talk about music from high school, for me it was Slayer, Type O Negative, and a host of other bands in similar veins.  I was the only one in my high school not listening to George Strait, Tim McGraw or the Dixie Chicks (small western towns for the win!).  Rage Against the Machine was cool when their first album came out in 1992 (Killing In The Name was awesome when I was 14 and hell, it still is) and Evil Empire was all right, but after that they lost me because I didn't see them growing or progressing much beyond those two albums (and in my opinion they really didn't).

We're lucky here in Upstate NY, Type O has played all over extensively. When the best metal club outside of NYC closed down, it sucked hard. Little place called the Lost Horizon in Syracuse. I've seen almost everyone who is anyone there, usually when they are still underground, from punk to metal. Best pit in the world, I've talked about it here before (a physical concrete pit with steel rails). Anyway, I've seen Type O there several times, including some sick Halloween shows. Great band.

Killing in the Name was one of the best songs for bands to cover in the 90s, been kicked out of clubs for that one.

[HaemishM]

Van Halen took a massive dump on vinyl when Roth got booted for Hagar. I love Sammy Hagar, I just never thought his sound meshed well with Van Halen. All the songs were so goddamn poppy it hurt. They sounded like formula radio hits with great guitars. Hagar's solo and Montrose work before, during and after Van Halen are all better than the stuff he did with Van Halen.

Diamond Dave was a retard of the highest order, but at least the songs sounded great. They had more feeling, more grit than anything that came after Jump.

[Furiously]

http://www.amnesty.org/noise/language.html

Wish all the tracks were on the CD's. Who knew that A-ha was still together? (Your mention of the postal service made me think of it.)

[dusematic]

Anybody like Malkmus, former lead for Pavement?  I love his solo stuff.


Baby C'mon:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AF_obEe6kpY



Discreton Grove:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-JLyySaDIA


JoJo's Jacket:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XwLxNT8svk


Basically all the songs are good off all three of his solo albums.

[Johny Cee]

I guess if we're going to talk about music from high school, for me it was Slayer, Type O Negative, and a host of other bands in similar veins.  I was the only one in my high school not listening to George Strait, Tim McGraw or the Dixie Chicks (small western towns for the win!).  Rage Against the Machine was cool when their first album came out in 1992 (Killing In The Name was awesome when I was 14 and hell, it still is) and Evil Empire was all right, but after that they lost me because I didn't see them growing or progressing much beyond those two albums (and in my opinion they really didn't).

We're lucky here in Upstate NY, Type O has played all over extensively. When the best metal club outside of NYC closed down, it sucked hard. Little place called the Lost Horizon in Syracuse. I've seen almost everyone who is anyone there, usually when they are still underground, from punk to metal. Best pit in the world, I've talked about it here before (a physical concrete pit with steel rails). Anyway, I've seen Type O there several times, including some sick Halloween shows. Great band.

Killing in the Name was one of the best songs for bands to cover in the 90s, been kicked out of clubs for that one.

Do you get bombarded with as much Tragically Hip in western NY as we do in northern NY?  For a few years,  you'd think that the Hip was the biggest band in the world from the amount of radio play they got here.