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Reply #35 on: July 30, 2007, 08:43:57 PM

In an effort to get my collection out of the distant past, I'm really searching for something that combines the Joy Division sound with older Sonic Youth (Daydream Nation or earlier) and maybe really early Bauhaus (Telegram Sam > Bella Lugosi's Dead).

Not really what you're looking for, but there's this band I like from NYC called A Place to Bury Strangers (no, that sound file isn't fucked up. They just intentionally try to deafen people with reverb). Real shoegaze-y and Joy Division like, but Sonic Youth? Not so much.

I don't know, check out their myspace page. More tracks there. Might be up your alley actually.

Speaking of Joy Division, there's another great band...that umm...isn't really what you're looking for either. Haha. GVSB (Girls Against Boys). Kind of hard to categorize when you put all of their albums together, but they did do a cover of She's Lost Control that was cool. Otherwise, they sound like a cross between the Jesus Lizard, Revolting Cocks, except poppier and with two bass players.

===Random Shit===

Lets see...

The Von Bondies. Why they never got popular, I don't know. They had publicity (err....kinda...Jack White kicked the singer's ass not long ago), and they even had that catchy title track on Rescue Me. That being said, I just like them because the guy can scream his ass off. And sounds like he means it. It's typical Detroit garage rock, but one of the better bands, I think.

Neko Case. Since I posted Scott Biram, I might as well post an Alt Country chick. If You Knew, Blacklisted

===New Albums===

Shannon Wright. If you like chicks with pianos. Hinterland, Everybody's Got Their Own Part to Play

I already spazzed out about Mike Patton in that other thread, but Tomahawk came out with a new album this month. Not very accessible really, but it's interesting. Mainly because I think it may be the first time someone's actually merged Native American music with rock/metal correctly (yes, there have been native american "flavored" bands...But they've all been really blues heavy. Either that, or they sound like new age crap).

Example: Red Fox

And if you haven't heard Tomahawk's older stuff, they sound like this: Rape This Day, Mayday

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K, enough band pimping from me for now :)
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Reply #36 on: July 31, 2007, 12:35:14 AM

Rush just released another album, for you old-timers, but I personally haven't enjoyed any of their new stuff since Test for Echo in the mid-90s.

Snakes And Arrows. Its a great album. Signals/Grace Under Pressure great. Beats everything they did between then and now.

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Reply #37 on: July 31, 2007, 03:18:57 AM

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-n-jjLibeXw

Maximum the Hormone is a band I've been listening to almost exclusively for the last few months. I think they're the only band in Japan that's listenable from the first track to the last track on every album they've released.

They do shit with pop and metal that American bands only wish they could do.

These kids do some seriously fucked up shit. Ministry meets Chili Peppers meets Primus doing Metallica covers with Gwen Stefani and Pink doing cameos/producing. On every song!

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Reply #38 on: July 31, 2007, 05:55:40 AM

Snakes And Arrows. Its a great album. Signals/Grace Under Pressure great. Beats everything they did between then and now.
That's like 1 album of original material and 1 cover album.  Probably just easier to say no one likes Vapor Trails since Snakes & Arrows is one of two since 1996.
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Reply #39 on: July 31, 2007, 05:59:01 AM

Rush just released another album, for you old-timers, but I personally haven't enjoyed any of their new stuff since Test for Echo in the mid-90s.
Snakes And Arrows. Its a great album. Signals/Grace Under Pressure great. Beats everything they did between then and now.
Power Windows and Hold Your Fire were far far better than Grace Under Pressure.
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Reply #40 on: July 31, 2007, 06:24:33 AM

How does any of that get you out of the past? 

By hopefully including albums made in the last five years as opposed to twenty? 

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Reply #41 on: July 31, 2007, 07:16:41 AM

And at least three of the band members have good singing voices.  Did you even get to the part where the drummer sings?  Granted, I don't like the yelling either, but they do great things with hooks that would make some of America's pop songwriters jealous.
We can agree to disagree on what constitutes a good singing voice, then. Yes, I endured a few entire songs. I don't believe their hooks are that great, either. I found it pretty bland and repetitive. Anyway, that's it for my commentary on that. I obviously don't like it at all.

I also wish Mars Volta would put less atmospheric stuff in their albums. So does anyone not on large amounts of narcotics.

Franz is good. I like My Morning Jacket, Cafe Tacuba, The Slackers, My Chemical Romance, Fall Out Boy for newer poppier bands.
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I always try to keep an open mind toward music. If someone can bring something new to a song, I love it. You certainly shouldn't bag on someone for ripping off old music. Listening to the blues is a great perspective builder. Not only does everyone jam on a lot of classics, but you learn that as shocking as Robert Plant was in the sixties with juice running down his leg, how much more shocking it must've been in the 30s when Robert Johnson, a black man in Mississippi, did it. But, Zep brought something new to the table. George Thorogood also does a great Kind Hearted Woman Blues, a Robert Johnson song.

I have a playlist in iTunes called Same Tunes. I put in all the duplicate versions of songs from different bands. It's pretty cool, one of my fiancee's favorite. Born Under A Bad Sign done by Albert King (original, imo best) then Cream (who I don't care for much) then Hendrix (which is a great version but more repetitive with Band of Gypsies iirc). Or a blues classic like Dust My Broom: Robert Johnson, Sonny Boy II, Elmore James, Earl Hooker, Howlin' Wolf, Taj Mahal.

I just got a phenomenal version of The Weight. I don't even have the original. This one is the Allman Brothers Band (maybe the best touring band in the world right now) from Jazzfest this year in New Orleans, with Chuck Leavell and Susan Tedeschi. Nice thing about the Allman's shows is that you can get a mixed cd of the gig after the show, and it's worth getting because they change things up every night. Another version of The Weight is from the State Fair a couple years ago (ABB); and Aretha; and Derek Trucks Band doing it live.

Oh yeah, Susan Tedeschi. She fucking rocks. Derek Trucks Band is very interesting. I like Los Lonely Boys, they have some great chops (and can sing). I just got an incredible Kenny Wayne Sheppard album where he spends ten days in the south recording with old blues acts, Ten Days Out. Guy Davis is doing some great acoustic work. Otis Taylor has some pretty interesting stuff. Zen Guerrilla was a great mid-90s band, don't know if they're still around. Tomahawk is a pretty good band, more accessible than most of what Patton's been up to, not quite as accessible as most Faith No More (which was an incredible band). Can't mention mid-90s and Patton without mentioning the Melvins (not that Patton was in the Melvins!). Can't mention mid-90s without mentioning Kyuss. Also been listening to more Tom Waits, thanks to Stray for turning me onto him.

For heavier stuff, you of course have Black Label Society. System of a Down is still pretty good. Even though their vocals are shouty, I like High on Fire (and Sleep, from whence HoF came).
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Reply #42 on: July 31, 2007, 07:59:30 AM

About shouty vs non shouty lyrics, I think there's a developmental cut off point after which you'll just simply not really be able to stomach shouty stuff if you've not enjoyed at least a little bit of it by the time you're 25 or so. If your ideas of what 'hard rock' are were formed listening exclusively to Iron Maiden, chances are Rage Against the Machine is going to sound like so much rancid hollering. I can respect that, since in the punk/headbanger musical continuum, you're simply going to favor clean sounding vocalists.

I consider myself lucky enough that I can enjoy 'classic' vocalists such as Chris Cornell while still flipping a switch in my brain and listening to Ministry.

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Reply #43 on: July 31, 2007, 08:00:36 AM

I didn't particularly enjoy what people are calling shouty UNTIL Maximum the Hormone. I'm 25.

Also, I enjoy Bella Morte. But I don't think they count as "shouty" except for like 2 or 3 old tracks and one newer one.
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Reply #44 on: July 31, 2007, 08:08:46 AM

Well, it was a theory pulled out my linty arse crack at 7:30 in the morning with only 1/2 cup of coffee in my system. Like so many other of my illuminating posts at this time of day. Seriously, I floated that theory based purely on personal experience; I used to be a 'hard rock' 'heavy metal' guy through my teens and it took a while of adjustment for me to appreciate the 'punk' side of hard rock. I was in my early 20s before I could even stand the Pixies, but now I acknowledge them as revolutionary talent the likes of which we're not likely to see again in our life time.

I should get back to nature, too.  You know, like going to a shop for groceries instead of the computer.  Maybe a condo in the woods that doesn't even have a health club or restaurant attached.  Buy a car with only two cup holders or something. -Signe

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Reply #45 on: July 31, 2007, 08:46:15 AM

This discussion is ridiculous, we're discussing music with people who ACTUALLY listen to The Mars Volta, it's like discussing which place makes the best hamburger with vegans.

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Reply #46 on: July 31, 2007, 09:07:34 AM

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The Slackers . . .  for newer poppier bands.

Wow, ok, that makes the second time I've heard The Slackers described as "newer" or "popp[y]." When I did the punk & ska show at U of A back in the mid-90s, there was a ska band called The Slackers, but they weren't even the poppier third wave ska or skacore/ska fusion stuff.

Maybe this is one of those "same name as" situations.

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Reply #47 on: July 31, 2007, 10:01:51 AM

This discussion is ridiculous, we're discussing music with people who ACTUALLY listen to The Mars Volta, it's like discussing which place makes the best hamburger with vegans.
That might be the dumbest thing I've ever seen you write here.
Wow, ok, that makes the second time I've heard The Slackers described as "newer" or "popp[y]."
I just slipped that name in there while typing later. No, they aren't new nor particularly poppy, though I consider them more pop than a lot of stuff I listen to. I'd like to cover The Mummy. I've got three or four of their discs, got turned onto them by the (excellent) Give 'Em The Boot compilations. Also got into some King Django from those discs, but he's not as good as The Slackers imo. The one disc with Information Error is phenomenal.
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Reply #48 on: July 31, 2007, 10:54:38 AM

(Includes MySpace links, for those allergic to peanuts and stupid.)

My favorite new band of the last two years is Hammock, a kind-of shoegazer band from Tennessee.

Ulrich Schnauss is what happens when you filter shoegazer through electronic dance.

Manual is what happens when you filter shoegazer through IDM (see a trend?) Jonas Munk is also one of the most prolific artists I listen to, releasing at least one album under his own name every year, plus collaborations with like-minded fellow Danes.

Solar Fields, my favorite brand of space music. Or really anything off the Ultimae label.

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Reply #49 on: July 31, 2007, 11:13:27 AM

This discussion is ridiculous, we're discussing music with people who ACTUALLY listen to The Mars Volta, it's like discussing which place makes the best hamburger with vegans.

Wait... are we making the hamburger out of the vegans?
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Reply #50 on: July 31, 2007, 11:20:54 AM

This discussion is ridiculous, we're discussing music with people who ACTUALLY listen to The Mars Volta, it's like discussing which place makes the best hamburger with vegans.

Wait... are we making the hamburger out of the vegans?

Goddamn you got me: it's like discussing WITH vegans WHICH place makes the best hamburgers.

There are few opinions someone can harbor which give you carte blanche in any argument they bring up, one of these is they listen to 'The Mars Volta' (works best for musical arguments, doesn't work so well in other situations).

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Reply #51 on: July 31, 2007, 12:46:52 PM

Actually, it works shitty in musical "arguments", because Mars Volta is an extremely talented band. Just because they like to put a lot of atmospheric crap between their songs doesn't alter that fact. The rhythym section alone is godlike, and the singer is Geddy Lee reborn.
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Reply #52 on: July 31, 2007, 12:57:19 PM

Snakes And Arrows. Its a great album. Signals/Grace Under Pressure great. Beats everything they did between then and now.
That's like 1 album of original material and 1 cover album.  Probably just easier to say no one likes Vapor Trails since Snakes & Arrows is one of two since 1996.

Between Grace Under Pressure and Snake And Arrows. Everything Rush did in the 90s and much of what they did in the 80s.

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Reply #53 on: July 31, 2007, 01:01:04 PM

Power Windows and Hold Your Fire were far far better than Grace Under Pressure.

I disagree, but then I don't have a problem with FM synth sounds. Power Windows was the last album prior to Snakes And Arrows to be decent overall, but it didn't hold up to anything before it. After Power Windows their songwriting got patchy, and they failed to put out albums worth listening to without the aid of the track skip button.

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Reply #54 on: July 31, 2007, 02:23:58 PM

This discussion is ridiculous, we're discussing music with people who ACTUALLY listen to The Mars Volta, it's like discussing which place makes the best hamburger with vegans.

Wait... are we making the hamburger out of the vegans?

Goddamn you got me: it's like discussing WITH vegans WHICH place makes the best hamburgers.

There are few opinions someone can harbor which give you carte blanche in any argument they bring up, one of these is they listen to 'The Mars Volta' (works best for musical arguments, doesn't work so well in other situations).

This from the guy who watched the first two seasons of the OC in a week?  Yes, I'm revisiting this argument.  And now I'm using it against you.  Hah!
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Reply #55 on: July 31, 2007, 02:34:32 PM

Also, Peter Murphy's Cascade.

I enjoyed that album. I go back to his early Dali's Car effort more, but then I adore Mick Karn's distinctive fretless bass playing.

Here we go. The great bass playing that I was talking about.

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Reply #56 on: July 31, 2007, 02:36:52 PM

Rush just released another album, for you old-timers, but I personally haven't enjoyed any of their new stuff since Test for Echo in the mid-90s.

I've got it and all of their work.  The new cd reminds me of the vapor trails era which was solid but not their peak.  While they were at their height of popularity during the Spirit of Radio - Moving Pictures - Signals - Grace under pressure, I've always held Circumstances as my favorite.  I need to check out some fresh stuff.  Lately it's been Dylan, Neil Young, Zepplin, Rush, and Triumph that I've been stuck on.  Yes, I have a soft spot for Canadian power trios.  

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Reply #57 on: July 31, 2007, 02:41:29 PM

Here we go. The great bass playing that I was talking about.

If you enjoy great fretless bass, I encourage you to give THIS a try.  I can't think of any bassist that has done more to evolve the fretless bass than Jaco. 

Pino Palladino has also done some outstanding fretless work, but usually for other people.  Find some gems by looking over his discography. 
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Reply #58 on: July 31, 2007, 02:46:55 PM

I'll check that to see if there's anything I don't have on it. I have most of his albums with Weather Report and his solo albums. The most recent Pastorius related album I got was this one. Lots of great bassists celebrating Pastorius.

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Reply #59 on: July 31, 2007, 02:50:15 PM

I'm actually more of a Bootsy Collins or Stanley Clarke fan, but if anyone mentions fretless Jaco always jumps to mind.  I have to confess that I don't own nearly as much Weather Report stuff as I'd like to.  That will give me something to work on. 

Oh, have you listened to much Dream Theater?  While not fretless, they have an outstanding technical bassist.  The song "Caught in a Web" is a solid example.
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Reply #60 on: July 31, 2007, 02:59:33 PM

I'm actually more of a Bootsy Collins or Stanley Clarke fan, but if anyone mentions fretless Jaco always jumps to mind.  I have to confess that I don't own nearly as much Weather Report stuff as I'd like to.  That will give me something to work on. 

Oh, have you listened to much Dream Theater?  While not fretless, they have an outstanding technical bassist. 

Jaco is one of my favorites, along with Mick Karn (ex Japan), Percy Jones (ex Brand X), Victor Wooten (Bela Fleck & The Flecktones), Holger Czukay (ex CAN), Jah Wobble (ex PIL), Bill Laswell (Material) ... but Bootsy & Stanley Clarke are up there too. :)

John Myung of Dream Theater is pretty spectacular - as are all the people in band. Their music tends to be a bit too self-indulgent for me though.

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Reply #61 on: July 31, 2007, 04:19:21 PM

This discussion is ridiculous, we're discussing music with people who ACTUALLY listen to The Mars Volta, it's like discussing which place makes the best hamburger with vegans.

Wait... are we making the hamburger out of the vegans?

Goddamn you got me: it's like discussing WITH vegans WHICH place makes the best hamburgers.

There are few opinions someone can harbor which give you carte blanche in any argument they bring up, one of these is they listen to 'The Mars Volta' (works best for musical arguments, doesn't work so well in other situations).

This from the guy who watched the first two seasons of the OC in a week?  Yes, I'm revisiting this argument.  And now I'm using it against you.  Hah!
No worries, I used it last week.

Mars Volta is still Terrible.
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Reply #62 on: July 31, 2007, 04:29:59 PM

I stand by their first two tracks on the first album.
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Reply #63 on: July 31, 2007, 09:12:06 PM

I always try to keep an open mind toward music. If someone can bring something new to a song, I love it. You certainly shouldn't bag on someone for ripping off old music.
Oh I never have a problem with new music, even if it is an homage to the past considering a good majority of Led Zeppelin was covers of previously done bluesworks along with most other artists of the day doing the same thing.  I just get annoyed when I hear a band or artist use a piece of music from the past and either the artist or all of their fans go apeshit about how "new" and "fresh" it is when it was done by some guy 30-70 years ago (and better in some\most cases).  There are plenty of bands out there I can get into that are new, my tastes just change and not much that was "popular" was anything I cared about (Slipknot, Korn, Mudvayne, Maroon 5, Matchbox 20, etc).  I've been subjected to the local jazz station in the waiting room a while and yes I can respect the talent of some of the artists and how interesting their works sound from the 1930s and 1940s all the way to today, I just am not into that scene so I won't go out of my way to listen to it.  Alot of blues is the same way, amazing talent that I can only dream of even if some of it is simplistic at times, but it just doesn't do that much for me on record (live concerts are a different issue entirely though).

As far as screamy goes, I can listen to most punk and hardcore and not be offended at all despite the lack of vocal talents.  Rage Against the Machine was great on their first 2 albums as well.  I get annoyed when I hear a band like Cannibal Corpse or Six Feet Under "growling" and all I can make out is "gruntgruntwooofwoofwoofgrunt."  Why even bother with a fucking "singer" if you can't understand anything he says.  99% of black metal is the same way (Emperor, etc) but they also have their own problems where they deem shitty production as being KVLT when in reality it is just shitty production.  Some bands\singers just have "it" when it comes to their vocals and being angry or violent.  In my opinion, Rage Against the Machine had it, W.A.S.P. had it, Cowboys From Hell era Pantera had it, Slayer has it, Arch Enemy (pre Angela) had it.  Bands like Emperor, Amon Amarth, Nile, Cannibal Corpse, and Hatebreed just don't.  Music is a very personal thing you know ;-)
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Reply #64 on: July 31, 2007, 11:21:19 PM

Two Hours Traffic: (Canadian powerpop)

Jezebel:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLZHamTXys0

Stuck For The Summer:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JF_SKOomJU


Schneider TM: German Electronica

Reality Check:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyyogSmyxto

Frogtoise:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r42LB1heL8


The Bird and The Bee: Jazzy Electronica

Again and Again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDlEXQaMBpk


Mark Ronson: Britpop


Stop Me:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4kBr5WWiBM

 


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Reply #65 on: July 31, 2007, 11:24:52 PM

Also, this is quite a classic:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od5inlXSSp4
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Reply #66 on: August 01, 2007, 08:48:28 AM

Rush just released another album, for you old-timers, but I personally haven't enjoyed any of their new stuff since Test for Echo in the mid-90s.
Snakes And Arrows. Its a great album. Signals/Grace Under Pressure great. Beats everything they did between then and now.
Power Windows and Hold Your Fire were far far better than Grace Under Pressure.


While I might put Hold Your Fire on the same plane as Grace Under Pressure, Power Windows was most definitely not a better album than Grace. The only weak album I think Rush has done since their first was Counterparts.

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Reply #67 on: August 01, 2007, 11:09:02 AM

Here we go. The great bass playing that I was talking about.
That was some decent bass. Vocals were ok, if a bit 80s new wavey for me. I thought the rest of the track was pretty crappy, but I'm not a big fan of synths or those 'drums'.

I can appreciate most of the bassists you guys are talking about. I'm more from the Geezer Butler, Steve Harris, Cliff Burton school. Coming from a rock/metal/blues place, I place a good jam over technicality every time.

Bootsy is cool, of course, but for that era I'd lean more toward Duck Dunn or some of the less-famous bass players from the early funk/r&b era like Alphonso "Country" Kellum who played on my favorite James Brown disc, Say It Live and Loud.

Selby: Phil Anselmo, despite being an apparent douchebag, has one of the very best metal voices. have you checked out any of the Superjoint stuff, or Down? Good stuff.
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Reply #68 on: August 01, 2007, 12:42:31 PM

Bootsy is cool, of course, but for that era I'd lean more toward Duck Dunn or some of the less-famous bass players from the early funk/r&b era like Alphonso "Country" Kellum who played on my favorite James Brown disc, Say It Live and Loud.

You know I love Duck Dunn and I agree that there are some fantastic bassists that have gone under the radar.  What's funny is that I often tell people that John Paul Jones is possibly my favorite bass player of all time and they look at me oddly.  Talk about technical skill, innovation, and feel all in one package.   

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Reply #69 on: August 01, 2007, 12:54:21 PM


...For my money Mars Volta is the best new band to come along in a long time.


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