Safari for Windows: no, really!

[Lum]

http://www.apple.com/safari/

Have you ever said to yourself, "My web browsing just isn't anti-aliased enough"?

I'm using it now. It's a lot quicker than Firefox. Then again, so are most things.

[HaemishM]

Why? Safari is shit on the Mac, what would bringing it to a PC accomplish?

[Lum]

I thought it was cute. Plus I'd like to know how they manage the level of anti-aliasing they do, I'd like it on Firefox plz.

[Tebonas]

Quite beta still. Doesn't survive the "Import Bookmarks" option from my Firefox yet without crashing. I guess I give it another try if it does.

[Lantyssa]

I find that much harder to read.  Too blurry.

[Murgos]

I find that much harder to read.  Too blurry.

Yeah, I thought anti-aliasing was supposed to be crisper and clearer without pixelation.  That just looks smeared around to me.

[schild]

Safari is a giant pile of dogshit. On any platform.

[Yoru]

Oh god, bloom on letters. MY EYES.

[schild]

Yea, that's not antialiasing a single goddamn thing. It's just making the standard font bigger and bold. None of the images have anything going on.

Goddamn does Safari suck.

Blow me, Jobs.

[Fabricated]

What a terrible browser. Only resizable from the dragmark in the bottom left corner, way too much AA, that wonderful non-windows app look. Blech.

[Lt.Dan]

I think the problem here is that Lum isn't giving up the goodies on what he's working on.  Hence the Safari ambush.

Now get working!

[Big Gulp]

Although I won't be using Safari any time soon, I'm with Lum.  If you can anti-alias it, please do so.

That's really the only reason I switched to XP over Win2K; Cleartype.  Everything else I could live with, and in fact preferred Win2K.  Cleartype was the deal breaker.

[squirrel]

Meh I've used FF and Safari side by side for testing. Safari is nowhere near as bad as the apparently highly educated opinions here would suggest. It goes overboard on AA. FF/WinXP doesn't do it at all well either. Safari is faster on OS X than FF or Opera. That said I prefer FF but the illogical hate for Safari (which is really just Konquerer) is odd.

[naum]

Don't get all the hate for Konqueror^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H, er Safari.

Personally, I don't use it, only for a few sites that FF is buggy on. Mainly use Firefox due to Firebug extension (if you develop web applications and you're not aware of this extension, you need to stop reading this and go DL & install it right now…) and a few other extensions too… …Safari > IE, as far as standards go and all, but neither Safari nor FF are as fast as Camino, which is based on Mozilla engine.

Mac users can also use OmniWeb, Opera or Flock too…

[naum]

Here's a niftier deal coming with Leopard…

Fast Boot Camp Switching
http://daringfireball.net/linked/2007/june#mon-11-boot_camp_switching

Leopard brings a quicker way to switch between Mac OS X and Windows: Just choose the new Apple menu item “Restart in Windows.” Your Mac goes into “safe sleep” so that when you return, you’ll be right where you were. It’s much faster than restarting the computer each time.

[squirrel]

How is Camino? Some other OS X users at work swear by it, but switching browsers completely is a bit of a PITA. Guess i should just dload it and see for myself.

[Trippy]

KHTML, which Konquerer and Safari and some other apps use (e.g. Adobe's Apollo uses it), is Yet Another HTML Rendering Engine that has to be tested against for those that care about such things. Why couldn't Apple just use the Gecko engine, used by the Mozilla browsers, among others, for example? Flock uses Gecko and so does Camino, so those are okay. They just have different UIs.

[Trippy]

How is Camino? Some other OS X users at work swear by it, but switching browsers completely is a bit of a PITA. Guess i should just dload it and see for myself.

Camino is good if you like tight OS X integration and don't mind the lack of Firefox/Mozilla extensions.

[naum]

How is Camino? Some other OS X users at work swear by it, but switching browsers completely is a bit of a PITA. Guess i should just dload it and see for myself.

I like Camino a lot, it's a trimmed down Firefox (which started as a trimmed down Mozilla), but the big reason I opt for FF is because of extensions, namely Firebug, but there are others (like DownloadHelper and ColorZilla) that I rely on. Of course I may have 2-3 browsers up and working anyway (at least during work day)…

V1.5 just released last week
http://www.caminobrowser.org/

[squirrel]

Here's a niftier deal coming with Leopard…

Fast Boot Camp Switching
http://daringfireball.net/linked/2007/june#mon-11-boot_camp_switching

Leopard brings a quicker way to switch between Mac OS X and Windows: Just choose the new Apple menu item “Restart in Windows.” Your Mac goes into “safe sleep” so that when you return, you’ll be right where you were. It’s much faster than restarting the computer each time.

That's fucing seksi - i only reboot to play CoH - a fast reboot option would be great. Full virtualization w. no reboot would be better but hey...

[Righ]

My Mac laptop has just about every web browser installed on it, and though I like the render speed of Safari and Opera, and I like the font handling of Camino and Safari and I like the memory footprint of anything not Firefox, I still use Firefox. select-rightclick-Google is killer.

[Chimpy]

My Mac laptop has just about every web browser installed on it, and though I like the render speed of Safari and Opera, and I like the font handling of Camino and Safari and I like the memory footprint of anything not Firefox, I still use Firefox. select-rightclick-Google is killer.

Safari has that as well. I found it yesterday by accident as I rarely right click except to save-as since they don't have navigation commands on the right click menu (my biggest complaint with Safari).

And I don't even run Safari 2 (I guess that came with the last system upgrade? I never picked it up).

[NiX]

select-rightclick-Google is killer.

Holy hell. How did I miss this feature..

[MrHat]

I was reading the memory footprint is like 100+ MB's.  That true?

[Bunk]

select-rightclick-Google is killer.

Holy hell. How did I miss this feature..

Err, you mean like I can do in IE?

Sometimes I feel leftout that all I use is IE. Then I get over it.

[Yegolev]

Don't get all the hate for Konqueror^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H, er Safari.

Missing a backspace, chief.

I don't want furry letters.

[Nonentity]

http://erratasec.blogspot.com/2007/06/niiiice.html

Apparently the guy who found the Apple Wi-Fi hack has already beat the snot out of it and found a few remote code execution vulnerabilities and DoS bugs.

[HaemishM]

That's really the only reason I switched to XP over Win2K; Cleartype.  Everything else I could live with, and in fact preferred Win2K.  Cleartype was the deal breaker.

Cleartype makes me think I'm drunk or I need a new eyeglass prescription. I've tried it multiple times and it always fucks with my eyes.

EDIT: Also, Safari is crap. It's slow as molasses on every Mac I've ever run it on, it has terrible problems with caching issues and is just generally shitty.

[naum]

The big reason for Safari on Windows:

http://daringfireball.net/

It’s not widely publicized, but those integrated search bars in web browser toolbars are revenue generators. When you do a Google search from Safari’s toolbar, Google pays Apple a portion of the ad revenue from the resulting page. (Ever notice the “client=safari” string in the URL query?) The same goes for Mozilla (and, I presume, just about every other mainstream browser.) According to this report by Ryan Naraine, for example, the Mozilla Foundation earned over $50 million in search engine ad revenue in 2005, mostly from Google.

[Murgos]

If I highlight->right click->google it does the client=firefox but if I just type 'google <search>' into the address bar it doesn't.  Bug?  Or feature?

50 million in ad revenue off searches seems like a lot.  Time to write a plug-in that seems cool and everyone will want to use but changes the client to MURGOS in their google searches.

[Evil Elvis]

I find that much harder to read.  Too blurry.

http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2007/06/12.html?hi=joel

[Murgos]

So, I need to configure an automatic proxy for browsing from my office.  Safari won't let me do that, the configure proxy button is greyed out.  Without that Safari simply crashes on launch as it attempts to contact the apple home page which it won't let me change to an empty page (well it lets me change it, it just doesn't save the settings).

Brilliant.  Let me know when beta 4 is released.

[Lantyssa]

I find that much harder to read.  Too blurry.

http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2007/06/12.html?hi=joel

Interesting read.

Were I printing a newsletter I might care.  As the majority of my time is spent reading and working on web pages, Apple can keep Safari.

[Sky]

I mostly use Safari, but I also have Firefox, Camino and Shiira (and a relic copy of IE) for various reasons: features, compatiblity. There is no best browser. Just the best tool for a specific job.

[Samwise]