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Reply #70 on: May 16, 2007, 04:39:56 PM

Why is Snakecharmer so intolerant of our intolerance for the intolerant? What a hypocrite...

lol!!

It's funny because by your own logic I am quite correct.

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Reply #71 on: May 16, 2007, 04:43:52 PM

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Reply #72 on: May 16, 2007, 04:47:53 PM

Why is Snakecharmer so intolerant of our intolerance for the intolerant? What a hypocrite...

lol!!

It's funny because by your own logic I am quite correct.

If you really want to stretch my posts to a razor thin-ness, sure.  And it could be argued in circles neverending.

But, I could really care less how tolerant or intolerant you or anyone else is or are.  If people are that militant in their hate, far be it from me to tell them they can't wallow in it like a pig.  It's unhealthy, it's destructive and accomplishes nothing good.

So, by all means:  Be mean.  Be bitter.  Be hateful. 

See where it gets you.
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Reply #73 on: May 16, 2007, 04:55:05 PM

If you really want to stretch my posts to a razor thin-ness, sure.  And it could be argued in circles neverending.

Using the exact same logic you put forward originally is somehow stretching your post?

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But, I could really care less how tolerant or intolerant you or anyone else is or are.

Clearly. I guess that is why you had the good sense to shut the fuck up and not come into this thread and call people hypocrites for being intolerant.

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Reply #74 on: May 16, 2007, 04:55:38 PM

If people are that militant in their hate, far be it from me to tell them they can't wallow in it like a pig.  It's unhealthy, it's destructive and accomplishes nothing good.

So, by all means:  Be mean.  Be bitter.  Be hateful. 

See where it gets you.

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Reply #75 on: May 16, 2007, 05:01:07 PM

If you really want to stretch my posts to a razor thin-ness, sure.  And it could be argued in circles neverending.

But, I could really care less how tolerant or intolerant you or anyone else is or are.  If people are that militant in their hate, far be it from me to tell them they can't wallow in it like a pig.  It's unhealthy, it's destructive and accomplishes nothing good.

So, by all means:  Be mean.  Be bitter.  Be hateful. 

See where it gets you.
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Reply #76 on: May 16, 2007, 05:04:40 PM

If people are that militant in their hate, far be it from me to tell them they can't wallow in it like a pig.  It's unhealthy, it's destructive and accomplishes nothing good.

So, by all means:  Be mean.  Be bitter.  Be hateful. 

See where it gets you.

God's Punishment on Hypocrites?

Yeah. It's called being 73 years old.  Old age.  It's a bitch sometimes.



As to the rest of you doing the dancing in the streets and happy that someone is dead?   

I truly pity you.

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Reply #77 on: May 16, 2007, 05:14:00 PM

See, this is a win win situation. You get to be self-righteous, we get to not care and be happy!

 Thumbs up!

Serious Business indeed.

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Reply #78 on: May 16, 2007, 07:10:04 PM

Fuck that fat fuck right in the face. I hope he is having fun down in Hell right now, as he roasts on a spit run right up his hateful fat ass. I'm not sure if there's a level of Hell QUITE bad enough for a character like Falwell.

But I'm not a hypocrite; I'll just come right out and say that I hate fuckers like him who want to dictate how people should live their own fucking lives.

Yes, I am intolerant of his disgusting intolerance. Boo Fucking Hoo.

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Reply #79 on: May 16, 2007, 07:55:02 PM

He could have changed for the better tomorrow and now he can't.

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Reply #80 on: May 16, 2007, 07:57:24 PM

Rather, he had 73 years to try to work towards a better tomorrow, but instead, he fantasized about a past without public education. Among other stupid things.
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Reply #81 on: May 16, 2007, 08:58:57 PM

« Last Edit: May 16, 2007, 09:02:22 PM by voodoolily »

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Reply #82 on: May 16, 2007, 09:02:12 PM

http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=10005.0

The pseudo-politics stuff starts....well everywhere, but picks up on pg. 2.

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Reply #83 on: May 16, 2007, 09:03:47 PM

Riiiiiiight. The title of that thread hadn't grabbed me. Merge threads at will, or delete mine (even though my title is more festive).

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Reply #84 on: May 16, 2007, 09:07:50 PM

I'm glad he's dead. At least he's one less asshole with enough followers to do damage. I don't believe in hell, but I don't feel guilty saying I hope his last conscious moments were filled with fear and pain.

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Reply #85 on: May 16, 2007, 09:18:20 PM

Get your jigs in and enjoy his death if you will, or mourn him as a courageous zealot who battled for God. There is no high ground there, he's simply gone and could care less about what you do. Just know your time is coming, and I pray many of you will make it right with God before it does. It honestly bothers me some days about how many people feel wronged by Christianity or don't trust Christians over the things that others have done to them in the past. I would just remind you to focus on God first and people second. Find out what he wants for your life and stop focusing on the institutions that will never get it right.

I just wanted to put that thought in before it goes off to politics to get rehashed in a place I never visit.

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Reply #86 on: May 16, 2007, 09:38:26 PM

I'll admit to disliking the man and hating his message.  I'll cop to being relieved he cannot spread that message anymore.  I'm not dancing though.  I don't celebrate death.

I've had friends who were beaten by fucks that thought homosexuals are evil.  I know of thirty victims a year who die because some transphobic asshole thinks they're doing the world a favor to kill someone who finally found happiness.  Falwell was an enabler.  Someone who made these twisted people believe it is okay to hate because anything they consider deviant is a plague upon this nation.

I kiss a girl and I'm an abomination responsible for 9/11 and Katrina?  He can tell millions every week I'm fucking dirt this world is better off without and that's okay?  There is a difference between wanting to be allowed to live my life as I please (without hurting anyone), and someone who wants to change my life to suit their purposes.

I'm fairly sure there is no hypocrisy on my part.

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Reply #87 on: May 16, 2007, 10:00:50 PM

It honestly bothers me some days about how many people feel wronged by Christianity or don't trust Christians over the things that others have done to them in the past. I would just remind you to focus on God first and people second.

Some people just don't believe in God, Paelos. It's nothing personal.

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Reply #88 on: May 16, 2007, 10:04:09 PM

Its about time someone in this thread played the "BUT FURRIES AREN'T TOLERATED AT F13, HYPOCRISY" card, but I"m tired.  Someone elaborate on that point if the thread is in danger of waning. 

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Reply #89 on: May 16, 2007, 11:05:20 PM

Excellent post Lantyssa. I agree that I am not "happy." The world is better off without him, and I can't think of many people I'd trade him with. That said, I'd rather he was just shot on a one-way trip to the moon. I'm not glad he is dead, I'm glad he is no longer around.

I kiss a girl and I'm an abomination responsible for 9/11 and Katrina? 

Obviously you've never heard of the "Buttefly Effect", which was originally known as the "Kissing Lesbos Effect" until a catchier title was found.

Edit: I have nothing against God or Christians, just douchebags. The fact that douchebags hide behind God just makes them that much douchier.
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Reply #90 on: May 17, 2007, 12:16:24 AM

Paleos, do you consider Falwell a Christian? People here aren't dancing on his grave because he was a Christian; they just hate self-satisfied bigots of any stripe. This one just put on the Christian Costume, because that is the status quo in this country.

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Reply #91 on: May 17, 2007, 01:28:47 AM

Its about time someone in this thread played the "BUT FURRIES AREN'T TOLERATED AT F13, HYPOCRISY" card, but I"m tired.  Someone elaborate on that point if the thread is in danger of waning. 

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Reply #92 on: May 17, 2007, 03:18:13 AM

Paleos, do you consider Falwell a Christian? People here aren't dancing on his grave because he was a Christian; they just hate self-satisfied bigots of any stripe. This one just put on the Christian Costume, because that is the status quo in this country.


I'm hard pressed to see any examples of him following Christs example.

This wasn't about Religion, it was about power.  Funny thing, tho, is Death eventually shows us ALL the impossibilities of power.

The funny thing is, even if you go for a quite literal interpretation (even Old Testament) this guy put himself in Hell quite a few times over. 

(Of Course, if you go that literal, there's really no way for ANYONE to avoid it.  Heh.  Religion is funny.)

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Reply #93 on: May 17, 2007, 07:27:35 AM

Tolerance != acceptance.
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Reply #94 on: May 17, 2007, 07:58:54 AM

Paleos, do you consider Falwell a Christian? People here aren't dancing on his grave because he was a Christian; they just hate self-satisfied bigots of any stripe. This one just put on the Christian Costume, because that is the status quo in this country.

I considered him a Pharisee more than anything.

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Reply #95 on: May 17, 2007, 09:23:01 AM

I never saw Falwell as a cristian I always saw him as more of an old fashioned snake oil salesman. Giving the old dog and pony show to drum up business.
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Reply #96 on: May 17, 2007, 09:24:35 AM

Before I respond, let me just say FUCK JERRY FALWELL, I HOPE HIS CORPSE GETS ANALLY RAPED BY A GAY MORTICIAN INTO NECORPHILIA.

But I ask you "do you believe he really tried to do evil?"

If by evil you mean oppressing on entire group of people (Gays) based on sexual preference, and another group of people (secularits, anyone who didn't believe in the God he preached about) based on their spiritual belifs, yes, he tried to do evil. FUCK HIM.

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Or did he try to show the way as he understood it? Where was his heart?

In Salem, I imagine, trying to find a religious reason to burn gays at the stake.

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Was he trying to help people or hurt them?

If you were gay or secular, he was trying to hurt you through political means.

I say again, FUCK YOU, JERRY FALWELL. BURN IN WHATEVER HELL YOU IMAGINED FOR TEH GAYS.

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Reply #97 on: May 17, 2007, 09:32:28 AM

People preaching for tolerance need to be tolerant of other peoples opposing views.  If they aren't, then they're no better than the Falwells of the world.

It's one thing to be a tolerant person, which I consider myself. It's another thing to be intolerant of intolerance. Fallwell was, to use a McCainian turn of phrase, an agent of intolerance. He spread it like a fucking cancer. He devoted his public and private life to making sure certain groups of people were treated as second class citizens, were denigrated by their religion and by their families. He tried to make it illegal to do things other citizens can do, and he blamed 9/11 on tolerance of gays and atheists.

Tolerance has limits. My intolerance of his bullshit is impotent rage at the fucktardery of a public figure. His intolerance oppressed people.

I win. FUCK JERRY FALWELL.

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Reply #98 on: May 17, 2007, 09:45:19 AM

I would just remind you to focus on God first and people second.

With Falwell out of the way, that should be easier. His fat ass obstructed the view. /zing

Seriously, the problem with Falwell was how he used God and God's name, perverting everything about the message in his bigoted obsessions with gays and atheists. Without religion, he'd have had no argument to fall back on but "gays are icky." People like myself have such a problem with Christians BECAUSE of intolerant douchebags like him. I've nothing against Jesus Christ, or Christianity as a concept, but almost no one practices Christian beliefs anymore, especially those in the public eye. They just wear the label like Hilfiger of the Soul.

Christianity has become a brand name, and the message is quite clear. Be like us or we fuck you.

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Reply #99 on: May 17, 2007, 10:32:03 AM

I've nothing against Jesus Christ, or Christianity as a concept, but almost no one practices Christian beliefs anymore, especially those in the public eye.

They're out there. They just don't seem to be as organized or desperate to have everyone recognize their beliefs. Probably the most high profile person is Jimmy Carter, but of course, he's old and not as relevant in this day and age (still quite the do gooder though). One could even put Barack Obama in this category as well.

I'm not going to bother making a big list. I think those two are indicative of how others go about things, so listing them is enough. People who keep religious subjects mainly private and just let their actions speak for themselves. It shouldn't matter whether they talk about religion or not.

Even in the past, some of the most high profile Christians (like Parks, and Coretta and Martin L. King) didn't bother with telling people about their religion 24/7. They were too busy trying to save the world to bother with that nonsense.
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Reply #100 on: May 17, 2007, 11:35:11 AM

Even in the past, some of the most high profile Christians (like Parks, and Coretta and Martin L. King) didn't bother with telling people about their religion 24/7. They were too busy trying to save the world to bother with that nonsense.

Exactly. Because it didn't matter to anyone but themselves what God they believed in, it mattered what they did. Falwell did nothing but denigrate people, then founded a school based on fomenting that same form of denigration into the next generation of college grads.

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Reply #101 on: May 17, 2007, 01:33:48 PM

Get your jigs in and enjoy his death if you will, or mourn him as a courageous zealot who battled for God. There is no high ground there, he's simply gone and could care less about what you do. Just know your time is coming, and I pray many of you will make it right with God before it does. It honestly bothers me some days about how many people feel wronged by Christianity or don't trust Christians over the things that others have done to them in the past. I would just remind you to focus on God first and people second. Find out what he wants for your life and stop focusing on the institutions that will never get it right.

I just wanted to put that thought in before it goes off to politics to get rehashed in a place I never visit.

Paelos, I have been an atheist/agnostic all my life.  I envy you your faith, I really do.  I'm not being facetious.

But you know what, some of us just lack faith.  It's not because I think I'm smarter than you or other people who are religious, or that I've got an in on the Truth or some special vision.  For whatever reason, I'm not endowed with faith.  I haven't felt the calling or whatever it is that religious people feel.

I'm not a fan of O'Hare or that guy in Sacramento who sued over the Pledge.  I don't hate Christians or feel wronged by them or untrusting of them.  I wasn't raised an anything; I have no issues whatsoever with religion as long as people don't  insist that I believe their way.  I don't care if this is "one nation under God" or it's on the money or the ten commandments are on a building - it's no skin off my nose, I can ignore it more easily than scribbled graffiti, or appreciate the solemness of the sentiment depending on my mood.

I have trouble with people blaming "secularism" for the ills of society, because morality != religion no matter what Bill O'Reilly or the Pope says.  I think modern religion - excluding Islam, I'm sad to say; I shouldn't call that a modern religion since it hasn't had a reformation and likely won't - is probably very good for people. 

My daughter is 8.  Despite having no religious training or instruction at all, she believes in God.  (I don't know if she will later, but she does for now).  She finds comfort in her ideas about heaven and God.  My son who is 11 (today - yay!) does not believe.

I think it's just a very personal thing - this having faith or having a lack of faith.

I don't know what my point was.  Maybe to illustrate that not all non-believers wish you ill.
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Reply #102 on: May 17, 2007, 02:56:18 PM

No, Indeed.  Most don't know it, but I was in organised religion for a large part of my life.

However, that WILL NOT stop me from commenting on people who are douchebags, religion or no.

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Reply #103 on: May 17, 2007, 05:44:24 PM

Yes, Xanthippe I understand your points and they make a lot of sense. I don't think that unbelievers wish me ill, they just don't like organizations that perpetuate injustices (real or perceived) under the mantle of God's will. I don't like these people either and I've left churches over it. OTOH, I've also left because I had my own problems that had nothing to do with what they were doing at all, and then I told myself later it was their fault. Sometimes it's easy to blame them because they are obviously off their nut. Other times, it's a good idea to look inward and see where the problem really stems from.

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Reply #104 on: May 18, 2007, 08:28:27 AM

I have trouble with people blaming "secularism" for the ills of society, because morality != religion no matter what Bill O'Reilly or the Pope says.  I think modern religion - excluding Islam, I'm sad to say; I shouldn't call that a modern religion since it hasn't had a reformation and likely won't

Yes they will have a reformation. They are going through it RIGHT NOW, in Iraq and Afghanistan. That's what most of the trouble is really about.

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