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Arnold
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Reply #35 on: July 16, 2010, 06:48:52 PM

Someone is a fan of The Deadliest Warrior Grin
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Reply #36 on: July 16, 2010, 07:31:46 PM

I wasn't really thinking about armor. Just about chalked wooden knives and the nasty slash lines you'd get from even a brief exchange. I admit, it was one way to deflate someone's sudden belief they're a bad ass. "Here, I'm going to put some red chalk on this knife, and you're going to try to take it away from me".

Although -- question about modern armor (you know kevlar and shit). Isn't a lot of it pretty...specific? Designed to handle very specific impact profiles?

I mean, a longbow used to punch through steel. How's it rate against a kevlar vest designed to stop a smaller projectile?

Then again, that dragonscale shit I saw was pretty cool. I think they were demoing it on some "Look at cool military shit" shows on either discovery or the history channel.
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Reply #37 on: July 16, 2010, 10:58:25 PM

Most ballistic body armor is also very effective against slashes from blades, not as effective against stabbing attacks (but still far better than street clothes or even heavy leather).  A arrow from a modern compound bow (more kinetic energy than classic longbows) has a similar impact profile to a high-power pistol round, and I doubt it would penetrate much better (but I'm guessing).

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Reply #38 on: July 17, 2010, 10:25:37 PM

Someone is a fan of The Deadliest Warrior Grin

I am.  They regularly surprise and delight me with how abysmally fucking stupid humanity can be.

Although -- question about modern armor (you know kevlar and shit). Isn't a lot of it pretty...specific? Designed to handle very specific impact profiles?

I mean, a longbow used to punch through steel. How's it rate against a kevlar vest designed to stop a smaller projectile?

Kevlar is designed to dissipate large amounts of energy by decelerating and fragmenting the bullet before it strikes flesh effectively by folding around and entrapping the projectile enough to incur a large loss in velocity due to friction, and spreading the remainder across a wider area.  It does fairly well against stabbing, less well against anything that cuts because it compromises the fibres.  Most every type of armor that isn't plate is also built on this principle.

A longbow won't penetrate a plate, ever.  It's unlikely to penetrate mail beyond a few dozen feet.  Likewise for layered leather, or cloth of sufficient strength and thickness.  Weak points in the armor is the only place where an arrow will actually strike a killing blow.  This neckbeard has some pretty cool testing, and a fucking wicked poleaxe/hammer.  His conclusion seems to be that ten layers of cotton makes you immune to bodkin arrows (like a flight or target arrow - not designed for cutting).

Most ballistic body armor is also very effective against slashes from blades, not as effective against stabbing attacks (but still far better than street clothes or even heavy leather).  A arrow from a modern compound bow (more kinetic energy than classic longbows) has a similar impact profile to a high-power pistol round, and I doubt it would penetrate much better (but I'm guessing).

--Dave

It's the other way around: most vest will foil a stab, but slice open easily enough.  It's completely counter-intuitive, I know.
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Reply #39 on: July 18, 2010, 12:00:06 AM

That's not the way I remember it, so I did some research to clear my confusion.  Seems that there are two different kinds of fibers used in modern body armor, Kevlar and Spectra.  Kevlar is good against bullets, but easily cut by sharp edges, Spectra isn't as strong but is extremely hard to cut (they use it as an alternative to the old chainmail gloves for butchers).  They started using mixtures of the two for high-end police equipment back in the 90's, and it's becoming common now to use at least one layer of Spectra cloth over the Kevlar ballistic protection.

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Reply #40 on: July 18, 2010, 05:23:47 AM

Or so I've been told.  Gramps was a very disturbed individual.

Killing men makes most folks disturbed.   Dad shared the same tips with me.  Also: I now know how to beat interrogate a man without leaving bruises but causing incredible amounts of pain.

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