People are broken

[glennshin]

Nope, not necessarily.
It's just our cultural lens you are looking through makes it seem morally reprehensible.

There have been/are cultures that treat family as the smallest societal unit and basically a duty to stick to the marriage and raise the children properly. In those cultures they understand that "love marriages" don't last and it's accepted that extra marital affairs happen. They understand the most important thing is group solidarity.

[gryeyes]

Which is completely fucking irrelevant to the conversation. If you have consent its not cheating in the first place. Its not fucking other people thats "wrong", its betraying your spouse. If your wife is down with the cause have at it.

[Tebonas]

Forgiving and moving on is NOT the same thing as consent.

[Endie]

Gryeyes, if I understand you correctly, then when the multiple partners thing is regularised and formalised by law and called polygamy, it becomes ok in your eyes?  Do you believe that the modern western paradigm is the morally preferable one?  If it is not merely a preference for your own, western, cultural mores, then are the Tibetan or traditional muslim models are acceptable to you, for instance?

Is it purely the element of deceit that makes polyamory so offensive to you?  In that case, what makes this form of deceit between partners so much worse for you than any other form of deceitfulness between them?  Is it personal experience (I'm sure you're very aware that you sound unusually vehement on this one, even for you)?

[Signe]

Gryeyes, if I understand you correctly, then when the multiple partners thing is regularised and formalised by law and called polygamy, it becomes ok in your eyes?  Do you believe that the modern western paradigm is the morally preferable one?  If it is not merely a preference for your own, western, cultural mores, then are the Tibetan or traditional muslim models are acceptable to you, for instance?

Is it purely the element of deceit that makes polyamory so offensive to you?  In that case, what makes this form of deceit between partners so much worse for you than any other form of deceitfulness between them?  Is it personal experience (I'm sure you're very aware that you sound unusually vehement on this one, even for you)?

Wow.  That might have been the smartest sounding thing you've ever said.  It makes me want to drink my tea with my pinky finger sticking straight out today!

[Engels]

Except that gryeyes pretty much answered his questions. Its the deceipt that's the betrayal. One thing is an arrangement in a relationship where one or both couples have consentual permission for sexual relationships with others, and another is a sexually incontinent douche running about sticking his dick in things behind his partner's back. Its pretty straightforward.

[NowhereMan]

On top of the deceit there's generally the hypocrisy as lac mentioned. These guys tend to be very jealous of their wives and will get paranoid about them spending too much time with other men. That's probably due to their knowledge of how easy it is to cheat and their assumption that other men are going to be like them and trying to bed every woman they meet.

Rare as it may be, I think Gryeyes is right about this. Guys who cheat (something totally different from people in an open relationship or even one where the husband and wife have an 'understanding') are pricks and I certainly wouldn't trust them anywhere near my significant other. Also the type of guys described by lac? They are not in a stable relationship. They are betraying the trust of their partner in a deep way and are in denial over that to make them feel better (The whole, 'I'm just fucking them, it's not the same as loving my wife!') They don't actually believe that or they wouldn't mind if their wives were doing the same thing but they do care about that. What's more their own deceit makes them mistrustful of their wives. It's not a fucking stable relationship because one partner is betraying the trust of the other and by his own actions is probably going to find it difficult to trust that other.

I'm not sure I'd go so far as to cut off all ties with that person, nor that I'd never trust him. People are weird ethically and being willing to shit all over certain boundaries doesn't mean that he's going to act like that when it comes to business. Likewise people who would rather die than be unfaithful could well cheerily fuck you over over money without thinking it's really that big a deal because Jesus never said not to do it or something. Like I said though if they're betraying the trust of their partner when it comes to chasing ass there's a decent chance they would betray your trust too.

[gryeyes]

Gryeyes, if I understand you correctly, then when the multiple partners thing is regularised and formalised by law and called polygamy, it becomes ok in your eyes?

 

Polygamy deals specifically with marriage not the sexual dynamics of consenting adults. Your question was answered before it was asked, and is completely oblivious to the discussion. Betraying those who trust you ESPECIALLY when its your family, for sex no less, means at the very least one has the character of a slug. Generally it means you are a piece of shit who should be avoided. The sex is incidental to why this is so.

[bhodi]

In this direction lies a one way trip to the politics forum.

[Tarami]

In this direction lies a one way trip to the politics forum.

You are in General Discussion[?]. A group of men and women can be seen
talking around a campfire. They appear to be discussing Serious Business[?].

There are two exists. North of here lies Politics[?], to the south safety. You
entered from the south.

> help polit

Politics
Politics is a board where the innocence is pulled from your soul, verbally
bludgeoned to death and riffled through for dogmatic arguments, in that order.

> s

[Lantyssa]

The exit is blocked.

> _

[Bzalthek]

> search

[Endie]

Gryeyes, if I understand you correctly, then when the multiple partners thing is regularised and formalised by law and called polygamy, it becomes ok in your eyes?

 

Polygamy deals specifically with marriage not the sexual dynamics of consenting adults. Your question was answered before it was asked, and is completely oblivious to the discussion. Betraying those who trust you ESPECIALLY when its your family, for sex no less, means at the very least one has the character of a slug. Generally it means you are a piece of shit who should be avoided. The sex is incidental to why this is so.

You quoted the bit where I said "you're saying this, right?" and you've said "ffs that's what I said."  Missing out the actual questions lets you do your "lol u r so dumb" act but doesn't really move anything on.  I'm intrigued why you are quite so vehemently outraged on this, as it seems to contrast with your carefully presented persona in other threads.  That's why I asked the questions i did (and which you chose to snip).

[Sir T]

>search

You find a club of Clue

>Get Club

You get the club of Clue

>use club on discussion

[schild]

I don't know what a clue club is, but I've heard of the clue bat.

[Signe]

Maybe the size of the clue ball determines if it's a club or a bat?

[Sky]

Maybe the size of the clue ball determines if it's a club or a bat?

Clue ball says ask again later.

[Lantyssa]

I prefer a pre-fabricated clue-by-four.

[01101010]

i prefer real clues.

[lac]

You mean like the ripped off part of a Durex package in your wife's handbag?