Bob Dylan huh?

[Phildo]

Got about half way through this and decided to jump to the end...

Bob Dylan was just expanding on what people like Pete Seeger and Woody Guthrie were already doing/had already done.  It was probably more about timing and luck than anything else that he was the one who became the "voice of the generation", etc.  So if there was no Dylan, there still would've been a large folk music scene to draw lyrical influences from.

Also, there was a period of time where Dylan did prove that he could carry a tune if he wanted to.  I can't remember specifically when it was, I think it was one of his full-in country albums in the 70s.

Edit: Ah, I see this thread moved on without me.

[stray]

He changed his voice drastically for Lay, Lady Lay.. Is that the song you're thinking of?

He kind of sounds like Dwight Yoakam on it.

Song


And always an alternative cover for each of his songs.... I always liked Ministry's version.

[Phildo]

No, the song I'm thinking of is much more "western" than that.  Wish I could remember it better.

[stray]

It's got to be the same album at least? Lay Lady Lay is from Nashville Skyline.. he does that same little croon on all the tracks. That's his de facto country album. Even does a duet with Johnny Cash on it.

[stray]

lol, i hope you agree... i don't want a reenactment of this 

[Phildo]

Eh, I'm gonna pretend I never brought it up.  It's definitely not Lay Lady Lay, but beyond that I really can't remember.

[stray]

umm im just making a joke there..saw that skit the other day. funny shit

i believe you on lay lady lay ;) i didn't mean to suggest that the second time. i mean there's other songs on that album (nashville skyline) that were more country sounding, and where he sings different. it might have been one of those.

[Sky]

Metallica.  Black album.  Every time somebody says that Enter Sandman is their best song God pinches off a kitten's head with his sphincter.

God yes. When I was a kid, I loathed Seek And Destroy. I mean, it's a decent enough song, but it's repetetive and can get boring when EVERY BAND IN THE CITY is playing it. Every band. They fucking love it. I was the only person who refused to learn it, since the band has an amazing catalog of great songs. Hell, by that time Master was out and we could play all of that, most of Lightning and a selection off Kill 'Em All. So really, fuck Seek and Destroy, let's play Orion. Or even Master, which we overplayed to fuck (also played it almost double-time). But no, dum dum dum dum DERN IT DERN IT dum dum dum dum DERN NER NER NER. Made me wish for a thousand deaths.

Then Enter Sandman came along and replaced Seek and Destroy as the song every douchebag wanted to play when you mention Metallica. With the bonus of Metallica's newfound fame, so you could hear every hack in the city mangling it at the guitar shop. I tend to go to the guitar shop on off hours, so I get puzzled when the guys are so happy to see me and tell me I can crank anything as loud as I want, play whatever. Because I forget until I go in during prime hours and hear the utter shit they have to put up with on a daily basis. But hope blooms eternal, we were all once those newbs mangling the fuck out of whatever we were attempting to do, in the hopes of finding that magic sound that would make us sound like our heroes.

But fuck Enter Sandman.

Hey speaking of Metallica, am I alone in thinking Death Magnetic is pretty damn good?! 

Eh, it's ok. I don't really listen to too much metal these days. I don't think Mars Volta counts. The next metal album I'll get is probably Mastadon's Crack the Skye, it's fucking  . Metallica has gotten poretty bland and samey, I like St Anger but don't think I'll be buying much more Metallica. I'm kinda disappointed they didn't make a more seminal album with Rubin and Trujillo. It really was all about Cliff.

Older. I'd rather know the fingering for "Peace Sells..." and now am too graceless to accomplish it. :)

Shut your dirty hole. Pick up your bass and play, gramps. It's never too late, most of my skill has come back and I've gained much more in other areas. Mostly the sheer speed is gone, but then, I don't practice that. But I'm so glad I picked up the guitar again, it makes me a whole person.

And Justice for All is cool, but I don't like the deafening bass noise when you crank it up.

Not sure which my favorite would be. Lots of memories and emotions from that time. I guess it fits this thread, because Metallica was kind of our Dylan. We didn't do much in the way of covers, but we could play so much Metallica. They were the big underground band, selling by gigging. We all felt so betrayed, first by the One video...but it was a great tune, so ok. But then the Black album went further down the commercial path (though in hindsight a decent disc) and the MASSIVE overplaying on tv. Then Load just finished them off imo. Anyway, Lightning holds a special place for me, we played Fade to Black in memory of our first bassist, we grew up with that album, mid teens. And then Master came out just as we were getting good as a band, we learned it and had so many fun jams with people sitting in playing those songs. Our (almost) double time Master was just sick, and to this day our drummer would swear he can't play Sanitarium. I'd launch into it, he'd bitch saying he doesn't know it....and we'd proceed to play the whole thing. Can't pick between them.

[HaemishM]

Hey speaking of Metallica, am I alone in thinking Death Magnetic is pretty damn good?!  

Cynanide is groovy

Death Magnetic is the best thing they've produced since the Black Album. The Black Album was mediocre compared to their other work, as is Death Magnetic, but it beats the fuck out of (Pants)Load and St. Anger (at how badly this album was produced, written and recorded).

EDIT: I don't get the love for Mastodon. They are great musicians, but goddamnit, I cannot fucking abide that shitty gravelly-voiced Pantera-clone vocals. Nothing kills my interest in a band more than getting really interested in the intro to a song and hearing someone mangle it with the goth douche version of Oscar the Grouch singing with marbles in his mouth.

[Sky]

I dunno, one guy gets a bit growly, but another is a ringer for Ozzy. I don't go for the evil grover type guys, but Mastadon is barely scraping into that with tons of great music and two more melodic singers. The band makes me want to play metal again, that's saying something.

This guy has the tracks from the new album on teh tube, just listened to the whole thing again this morning:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6Vf5syTfmE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GENvZhd-XjY

[stray]

And Justice for All is cool, but I don't like the deafening bass noise when you crank it up.

Seriously... you know what I'm talking about, right? Woom Woom Woom Woom. It's not bass so much as it's just produced with a lot of low end. The songs are great.. I just never liked how the album sounded.

[Grimwell]

Master of Orion is about the coolest thing ever done by Metallica. It captures everything that was heavy about them, but also shows off their actual chops at that time. I really enjoy playing that one, even now. Well, parts of it when I get to touch the guitars. :)

[Merusk]

Grimwell is old.  He's confused his game titles with his song titles.   

/tease

[Grimwell]

oops.
pwned!

[Selby]

When I was a kid, I loathed Seek And Destroy.[/quote]
I'm not a kid anymore and I still despise that song.  Like you said, plenty of other good songs in the catalog from that era, why focus on the one that EVERY band on earth seems to want to play?  Probably because most of it is slow and easy...

[Arnold]

But then the Black album went further down the commercial path (though in hindsight a decent disc) and the MASSIVE overplaying on tv. Then Load just finished them off imo.
[/quote]

The Black Album would have been #1 on the charts and would have sold huge numbers without radio-friendly singles and MTV videos.  Do you remember the advertisement for it in the guitar magazines?  It was just a black page that said "August 12th", or something like that, and EVERYONE knew what it meant.  Every metal head loved Metallica and that album would have sold huge without crossing over.  I just was expecting some mind blowing speed metal epics and was kind of disappointed.

[Sheepherder]

I'm not a kid anymore and I still despise that song.  Like you said, plenty of other good songs in the catalog from that era, why focus on the one that EVERY band on earth seems to want to play?  Probably because most of it is slow and easy...

I'm too young and in too remote an area to have memories of S&D being everywhere, instead I remember being in the high school cafeteria listening to someone mangle it for a bit, then pass it to a friend who cranked out the first minute or so with the guitar held upside-down to account for the fact that he is left-handed.

It was pretty fucking awesome.

[Sky]

We had one guy who wanted to join our band for a while, he could only play straight muted riffs. They were good, but it was all straight beats, fast or slow. Chug chug chug chug chug. Drove me nuts because I have always been about syncopation and breaking up heavy riffs to make them more interesting. S&D is a chug riff that's much better played double time triplets :)

Heck, I was just playing (what I could remember of) Master of Puppets and the first climbing riff (after the initial four hit intro) I keep playing triplets for the E to F low part, it's normally just a straight downpicked EF (B) EF (C) EF (C#) EF (C) EF (BB). So more of an EEF in the same space. Should probably have put that in the guitar thread :P

[stray]

Seek and Destroy is the shit. And as far as I know, I'm one of the only people who plays it around here... Plays it right at least.  

Not my favorite track from Kill Em All though.. It's probably No Remorse. [edit] Yeah, as far as I'm concerned, that song is the king of Metallica songs.  Instant head bang. 

[lamaros]

I prefer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKYALsp-sIg when it comes to songs that can be abbreviated as S&D.

Re: earlier in the thread, I quite like Blood on the Tracks and I'm not really old... even if you dislike Dylan you surely have to agree that he has some good songs on some of his albums... right? (I also like Waits and have most of his albums)

[stray]

James Osterberg Jr. A Fine choice.


Yeah, Blood on the Tracks is good! That was the first intro for me.. I picked up a cassette at a used bookstore on a whim, and I instantly became a fan. Afterwards, it was Highway 61, which is now my favorite (probably a conventional choice). I like every album thoroughly from the first until Blood on the Tracks. Except Blonde on Blonde (which I guess is a fan favorite, but hey). That one is hit and miss. Then after the 70's, it was lots of hits and misses.

[Sky]

Not my favorite track from Kill Em All though.. It's probably No Remorse. [edit] Yeah, as far as I'm concerned, that song is the king of Metallica songs.  Instant head bang. 

Hmm...my favorite is probably... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm6KMVEUDt0 

I dunno, I liked The Four Horseman and Hit the Lights quite a bit. It's really a different album, kind of like listening to early Maiden.

[Oban]

Jack-booted fascist police detain living legend for the heinous crime of walking while raining.

http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=8331830&page=1

[rattran]

Senile old man, living in a vehicle? Sounds like a vagrant to me.