this sight

[nach0king]

Glasgow IS bigger and Glasgow IS dirtier, as it's a proper city built on heavy industry, unlike the cold-hearted shortbread-tin dystopia of Auld Reekie. :)

[Faust]

frankly, the Lum community has dwindled over the past two and a half years of diaspora, and will go away eventually.

I get the feeling this recent debacle is evident of a self fullfilling profecy.

Frankly, I never liked Lum very much.  Smart & well written, yes, but a bit too egotistical for my fragile feelings.  But, the topics written of were interesting, and his point of view was worth reading & discussing.  As was a pretty large portion of the stuff we saw at WT.O.  

For the past few weeks, I've been unable to find a cohesive and interesting (to me) thread about anything gaming related anywhere.  I hope that changes.  View the above thread hyjack regarding soccer and Scotland (or whatever... I skimmed) for example.

Meanwhile, all those Corp people are bashing the F13rs and visa versa.  Frankly, I don't really know why and everything I read is bitching about some combination of grand plots to overthrow the "community".  Heh.  OK, whatever... I thought it was a discussion area about gaming... but whatever.  I thought the same thing about P2P when the last Soap Opera came down the pike and when Lum handed his site off. /shrug

Truth is, people go on and grow up.  Fact is, we have run thin on things to talk about regarding MMO's.  Perhaps we have grown up.  Perhaps the industry has entered puberty.  Perhaps I just don't find things all that interesting any more.  It seems that everything that needs be said has been said.

Sounds like things are maturing... /cough.

[Signe]

crap

STFU. Dumbass.

[Jain Zar]

It all seems kinda stupid to me.
This place looks almost exactly like the WT I lurked at.  But what do I know?

[Margalis]

I was IP banned from the wonderful WT "community" because my politics didn't agree with that of a mod. And my posts were randomly edited to put words in my mouth.

So to me, this reads like:

"Ha ha...look at that silly fuck! Banned lol! Ha ha, let's change his post...great fun!"

"Wait, I'm banned? WTF? Wait, my post changed? WHAT ABOUT THE COMMUNITY!?!?!"

Things look different on the outside looking in I guess. It's not surprising, usually the people acting like idiots are first to be offended when they get the same back at them.

I can remember numerous mod posts on WT where the tone was essentially "I'm a mod and you're not - tee hee!" I haven't seen that here yet.

[schild]

I can remember numerous mod posts on WT where the tone was essentially "I'm a mod and you're not - tee hee!" I haven't seen that here yet.

I'm a mod and you're not - tee hee!

Sigh, spamming my own boards because I don't want to burn out on City of Heroes. I'm sure someone else could sympathize if they weren't playing the fucking game!

[Signe]

On a strange note... I've been banned from corpnews.  I don't know why, maybe because I still post here, too?  I did say both forums suck the same.  Hmm... maybe I said both forums suck each other... I don't even remember which forum I posted that in.  Someone might have decided that because schild is a friend of mine, I'm some sort of spy.  (ooh err, very exciting!)  This would be silly as, obviously, I have no difficulty in calling him a bitch in public.  

There are people I enjoy on both boards and I only mind the ban a little.  As much as I like Lum, Poppin, Ray and some others...  I have a much more compelling Haemish addiction.  I am only mildly interested in the reasons for the ban but I reckon I somehow got caught up in this mutual banfest.  Or perhaps I said something horrible or completely contradicted myself... I do that sometimes.  I am a girl and subject to hormone induced confusion.

[nach0king]

frankly, the Lum community has dwindled over the past two and a half years of diaspora, and will go away eventually.

I get the feeling this recent debacle is evident of a self fullfilling profecy.

Frankly, I never liked Lum very much.  Smart & well written, yes, but a bit too egotistical for my fragile feelings.  But, the topics written of were interesting, and his point of view was worth reading & discussing.  As was a pretty large portion of the stuff we saw at WT.O.  

For the past few weeks, I've been unable to find a cohesive and interesting (to me) thread about anything gaming related anywhere.  I hope that changes.  View the above thread hyjack regarding soccer and Scotland (or whatever... I skimmed) for example.

Meanwhile, all those Corp people are bashing the F13rs and visa versa.  Frankly, I don't really know why and everything I read is bitching about some combination of grand plots to overthrow the "community".  Heh.  OK, whatever... I thought it was a discussion area about gaming... but whatever.  I thought the same thing about P2P when the last Soap Opera came down the pike and when Lum handed his site off. /shrug

Truth is, people go on and grow up.  Fact is, we have run thin on things to talk about regarding MMO's.  Perhaps we have grown up.  Perhaps the industry has entered puberty.  Perhaps I just don't find things all that interesting any more.  It seems that everything that needs be said has been said.

Sounds like things are maturing... /cough.

You're complaining about the lack of gaming threads, in a non-gaming thread, citing a non-gaming tangent in a non-gaming thread. Something's amiss.

[Dark Vengeance]

Except for the "beaten" part, that about describes every MMORPG in existence.

No it doesn't. The Twin Snakes is a port of MGS1...it's literally the same game. Just because most MMORPGs are derivative formulaic crap does not make them all the same game.

I'm jealous actually. Maybe I should post a DVD review or two and get some people I don't know hating me because I'm some runoff of Joe "betraying the community".

I think the fact that the members of this community don't know you is enough reason for them to dislike you being a mod. At least on WTO and Corp, the guys running the community have actually been a part of the community for more than 6 months.

As for Corpnews, I didn't know what it was until today. Pretty strange. They don't seem to have any legitimate gripes outside of "WTF I DIDN'T GET TO KEEP MY POSTS", "JOE JUST WANTED TO MAKE MONEY ON THE SITE", and "I HATE SCHILD".

Or, yknow, you could cite the other 80% of the thread, in which people explain why they disliked the STEWARD of this community trying to change it's direction. That's right...STEWARD, not owner. The site was always Joe's playground....but ultimately, anyone who hosts one of these sites should do so to SERVE THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE COMMUNITY....no one and nothing else. And I didn't see the community clamoring for poorly-written DVD and TV reviews.

The first one is stupid, the second isn't true, and the third is a pretty fucking petty reason. I wasn't looking at the forums for the whole link deleting thing, but I haven't seen anything deleted since. Most of the people bitching there mentioned that they got themselves banned on purpose.

The first is not stupid....there were some long-standing, intelligent threads on WTO when it shut down. How many new threads are popping up here? It was one of those little things that someone who really cared might have tried to do (although I don't understand why the site or forums had to be changed at all, other than where they were hosted....they could have made this change virtually invisible to the community, but they didn't).

The second has been quoted....though I figure it was sarcasm/humor.

The third obviously means quite a bit to several people. Take a guy who was never even part of the community until 6 months ago, now he is running it, along with a change in direction that takes us from gaming and MMOG discussion to Snowspinner's TV blog, and schild's movie reviews. I can certainly understand why longtime members of this community would object to that.

Bring the noise.
Cheers...............

Edit: Q doesn't work...have to type out quote. Go figure.

[Snowspinner]

It's not exactly as though WT.O was full of frontpage content on MMOGs. It got updated weekly, if that. F13 has just as much MMOG content as WT, plus some other content you don't care about.

But its not as though there's been any loss of MMOG content. Functionally, the whole thing amounts to a forum wipe.

Those happen frequently enough, and don't schism the community.

So what's the issue?

[HaemishM]

Maybe it's because this forum wipe was intentional? Or maybe it's that 3 forum wipes in 6 months is more than could be stood?

My one-liners are failing. Maybe I need to buy a jar of hate.

[daveNYC]

My one-liners are failing. Maybe I need to buy a jar of hate.

Just load up the L2 beta again, that'll do you.

[Alluvian]

The whole thing is stupid.  WTO was stuck in a rut months/years before F13 came about.  It is still in the same rut.  Same rut corpnews is in and whatever other random site wants to discuss MMOGs.  There just isn't much new to talk about and the days of 3 mmogs that ruled our lives are so freaking done with (thank god).

Maybe I should to post some very tame innocuous things on corpnews and see if I get banned for posting on both...  I don't think I could keep the words "drama queens" and "stupid" out of my posts though.  Ah well.

I saved a copy of Poppinfresh's "you suck" tirade just before WTO went down, it was one of the dumbest things I have ever read, and it pretty much killed any interest I had in corpnews.  Too bad.  Once LONG LONG ago I actually liked that site.  I think it was circa Citizen Kabuko review or something.  Corps gone up and down about as much as P2P.

I frankly think the formation of WTO from P2P was just as stupid as this recent split though.  I don't get how one can be stupid while the other isn't.  Well, this is abit more stupid I guess.  Grimwell was being incredibly stupid at that time with his 'for the children' bullshit.  Rants are not as fun without swearing.

[SirBruce]

Maybe it's because this forum wipe was intentional? Or maybe it's that 3 forum wipes in 6 months is more than could be stood?

My one-liners are failing. Maybe I need to buy a jar of hate.

LtM and post-LtM sites have gone through at least a dozes  forum wipes, reorganizations, and closures.  The average seems to be somewhere between 3-6 months between major shakeups.  Aren't people used to it by now?

Bruce

[Fabricated]

No it doesn't. The Twin Snakes is a port of MGS1...it's literally the same game. Just because most MMORPGs are derivative formulaic crap does not make them all the same game.

Close enough.

I think the fact that the members of this community don't know you is enough reason for them to dislike you being a mod. At least on WTO and Corp, the guys running the community have actually been a part of the community for more than 6 months.

I don't plan on deleting any posts as a mod here. As far as I'm concerned it's mostly so I can sometimes post things in the mod forum before I put them up on the main page.

If you just don't like someone who wasn't a member of your circlejerk being a mod, well, tough shit bud.

Or, yknow, you could cite the other 80% of the thread, in which people explain why they disliked the STEWARD of this community trying to change it's direction. That's right...STEWARD, not owner. The site was always Joe's playground....but ultimately, anyone who hosts one of these sites should do so to SERVE THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE COMMUNITY....no one and nothing else. And I didn't see the community clamoring for poorly-written DVD and TV reviews.

So Joe owes you something?

Go fuck yourself.

The first is not stupid....there were some long-standing, intelligent threads on WTO when it shut down. How many new threads are popping up here? It was one of those little things that someone who really cared might have tried to do (although I don't understand why the site or forums had to be changed at all, other than where they were hosted....they could have made this change virtually invisible to the community, but they didn't).

Then start the threads again. Maybe it was just too much of a hassle to move over the account database and posts, maybe Joe just didn't feel like it. It sucks losing long-standing threads and intelligent discussion, but this kind of shit happens on a semi-regular basis to most forum communities.

The second has been quoted....though I figure it was sarcasm/humor.

Joe just got a good job in the industry. As far as I know it wouldn't make any sense for him to start whoring his playground for cash.

I have no interest in making money from this. I just find it's something to do with idle time. I don't really feel my opinions are worth shit.

The third obviously means quite a bit to several people. Take a guy who was never even part of the community until 6 months ago, now he is running it, along with a change in direction that takes us from gaming and MMOG discussion to Snowspinner's TV blog, and schild's movie reviews. I can certainly understand why longtime members of this community would object to that.

It's all three now, deal. I don't really blame people for getting weirded out or upset, since it was a pretty sudden change. In the end, the forums are still here, even if people don't like some of the shit on the front page.

[anarch]

I don't really feel my opinions are worth shit.

Wow we have so much in common! I don't think your opinion is worth a shit either.

anarch..

[Signe]

I have found that not only am I banned from corpnews, but my IP is banned.  That means, of course, that Righ is also banned... not that he ever went there.  N00tch seems to think it's some sort of error but I'm feeling rather notorious and important right now.  Go me.

[Calantus]

Or, yknow, you could cite the other 80% of the thread, in which people explain why they disliked the STEWARD of this community trying to change it's direction. That's right...STEWARD, not owner. The site was always Joe's playground....but ultimately, anyone who hosts one of these sites should do so to SERVE THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE COMMUNITY....no one and nothing else. And I didn't see the community clamoring for poorly-written DVD and TV reviews.

That would be true, and was true for Elrond when he did SND, but I don't think it is for Joe. What makes him so special?

This is not a community.

Remember that? It wasn't one of the little gimmick phrases every one of these sites just has to have of its front page. I also dimly remember Joe being mildly pissed and saying so when the community decided to come in and sit on his couch. I also recall Lum writing something about "He might not want a community, but that is what he is getting" when writing about Waterthread.

So... we come in to someone's house because the front door is open. The owner is a little pissed we just helped ourselves, but lets us sit on his couch and watch his TV anyway. After a while we all get comfortable and the owner decides he kinda likes us around. Then he decides he wants to move said couch... what an asshole.

NOTE: I must admit I left the community during the P2P phase (too much furry, too much sucking of dog cock), and didn't come back for a while, so my in-joke radar might have been a little off. If it was, please be gentle.


Incidently, I am never again going to bookmark a book thread in this damn community. By the time I want to, you know, buy some books, they are never there. I think I've had about 4-5 from Waterthread alone. Also, if anyone has one or many of these threads archived somewhere... could you hook me up? I go for ages without books, then just buy a whole bundle at a time. It's time I did some more reading, and some of the suggestions brought up looked good when I did quick searches on them.

[Roac]

Such hate - and all I want is for the forums to stop eating the "new post" links for the whole site whenever I visit any one thread.

[Captain Poopypants]

lots of Boogaleeboo telling people to go fuck themselves. GOOD.

SURELY you jest.  Either way, a highly esoteric  'good' at best. With posters like boogerman being encouraged from head haunchos like... Pop,  it's no mystery why communities implode right along with the over inflated minds behind them. Pop vaguely admits to this on his 'f13 sux'  rant. Too bad he doesn't put much effort into pointing out how easily corpnews can (edit:will) go down the shitter, given time.

I get the feeling this recent debacle is evident of a self fullfilling profecy.  

I could've told you  everything was going to burn out eventually, nearly 3 years ago.

Because of sentiments like...

To sum up: wt.o was good. And now this shit has taken its place. Fuck you, Joe. Fuck you, Schild. And fuck anyone else who took part in killing what was probably the last great site that this community will ever create.

... it seems that former wt'ers will always desperately want the next  big LTM.net. And fuck them raunchy for running into a wall, jumping back up and running into the wall again. The same forumers magnetically pull themselves to one place, then almost intentionally recreate the same blunders that we have become all too familiar with.