Patch 2.3 preliminary details

[Lakov_Sanite]

Thats a reportable offense, and you will get your stuff back if you contact a GM.  In the very early days of wow (nov/dec 04) their were people playing fresh off D2 addiction, where such scamming was commonplace and expected.  I can remember people getting scammed out of their stuff in a similar fashion, and getting it back after paging a GM.

Interesting.  In the past, in most games they couldn't do this because it would lead to a he said-she said sort of thing (I report player x for scamming even though I gave or sold him the stuff, so I get it back and he has nothing). 

I wonder if they log player transactions and can check on the truth of the claim?  That would be cool but I'd have to think the volume of information would be legendary even if they kept it for a day.

Wow logs everything.  They can literally check how much gold you had before/after any given transaction. What would said in /guild during that time, or in whispers, or in private channels.  I'm not sure how long each char log extends time-wise but it's very extensive.  Some of the funniest posts on the official forums are GM's responses to people who have tried to scam others.

[Ironwood]

Do you have anything to back that claim up ?

Asking Seriously.  I'm interested.

[slog]

anyone got the final patch notes?

[Chimpy]

anyone got the final patch notes?

They won't be posted until the patch is ready for D/L in the morning most likely.

mmo-champion has the most recent PTR notes, which will be pretty close to what goes live.

http://www.mmo-champion.com


As to the Blizzard logging thing, every single item/gold transaction in the game is in the database. Nothing ever gets over-written unless blizzard fucks up (which they have done in the past i.e. last december with the pre-BC patch they corrupted several thousand people's entries that left them with nothing but the items they had equipped on their character at the time the patch went live). It just might take them a while to dig the stuff up, and most minor things they ignore.

[Venkman]

I'd expect WoW to back up everything, as a division of a public company. Not sure what they have for Sarbanes-Oxley compliancing where Vivendi is based (France?), but I gotta imagine they have some very strict home-brew standards anyway. All records retained for X period of time, etc and so on.

[Jayce]

I'd expect WoW to back up everything, as a division of a public company. Not sure what they have for Sarbanes-Oxley compliancing where Vivendi is based (France?), but I gotta imagine they have some very strict home-brew standards anyway. All records retained for X period of time, etc and so on.

That's not as ironclad as you might think.  I am pretty sure that EA is public, yet scammers were/are? on every corner in UO.  I don't think SOX explicitly addreses virtual property 

[Simond]

So...is there extended maintenance today, or what?

Edit: Apparently so. 2.3 is live.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Do you have anything to back that claim up ?

Asking Seriously.  I'm interested.

Unfortunately no, I don't save the little blue snippets I find now and again.  Mostly by browsing the wow forums you come across actual blue responses to in game query.
A good example I saw was someone posting to complain they had lost their tradeskills and gold in a char server transfer.  To which the blue replied "Actually it shows right after your transfer you deleted both professions and then retook them."  It's late and im horrible at paraphrasing.  In short they log a LOT, and love shoving back in would-be scammers faces.