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Title: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Strazos on November 13, 2006, 10:13:58 PM I'm now getting word that Sony has cut the number of PS3s they shipping to all GameStops, nationwide. This probably also holds true for EB. Who knows, Sony may have cut NA's entire allocation of systems.
For instance, my GS took 8 reserves. We are receiving 6 units. Apparently, other stores are even worse off. Another store took 8 reserves on the 60GB version of the system, but they will only get in 4, and only 2 20GB systems. Friday is going to be a very fun day for people who reserved PS3s. As if it wasn't hard enough to get a reserve, and with Lik Sang shut down, it might be very tough indeed to get ahold of one of these systems. The filthy e-Bay resellers should have a ball though. Advice: Be the first fucking person to the register to pick up your reserve. Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: schild on November 13, 2006, 10:21:39 PM EB and Gamestop are the same thing. So yea, they cut both.
I have... fucked two people out of their PS3s so my friend and I can get them. If there was ever a reason to preorder anything you plan on buying, this is it. Get those people to like you. It makes things easy on launch days. Also, the local manager is coming in at midnight Thursday to sell me mine even though they aren't doing a midnight launch. Come Friday, there will be a grand total shipment of... 4. Though, Ebay. How it taunts me. Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Strazos on November 13, 2006, 10:29:01 PM I cannot fathom how high that damn $600 system is going to resell for on eBay. Or who would be stupid enough to pay the kind of prices we will see. I imagine the pain of buying one through eBay will be akin to being raped by a gorilla.
With no lube. While you're suffering from hemorrhoids. Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Velorath on November 13, 2006, 10:41:18 PM EB and Gamestop are the same thing. So yea, they cut both. I have... fucked two people out of their PS3s so my friend and I can get them. If there was ever a reason to preorder anything you plan on buying, this is it. Get those people to like you. It makes things easy on launch days. Also, the local manager is coming in at midnight Thursday to sell me mine even though they aren't doing a midnight launch. Come Friday, there will be a grand total shipment of... 4. Though, Ebay. How it taunts me. Ebay it and then buy another one around March. You know, when some halfway decent games might actually be released. Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Jeff Kelly on November 14, 2006, 12:54:10 AM Captain obvious to the rescue. I will never quite understand that people are willing to spend twice or thrice as much as the suggested retail price on a ps2/3 or X-Box 3something just so that they can have it on launch day.
Let's face it, launch day for most consoles sucks. You have around 3 1/2 games to choose from where not one is even halfway decent, the first batch of every console is prone to be faulty because the manufacturer still has to tune the manufacturing process and so on. So why not wait 3 to 5 months until the first glitches have been worked out and there are at least a few, you know, games that are actually worth playing? Preordering I can understand, but not the willingness to spend $1000 and more just so that I am the first to have the new shiny. BTW. The X-Box 360 is out now for nearly a year, any hints on price drops or maybe a redesign? Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Miasma on November 14, 2006, 06:33:16 AM I guess there are a couple hundred old games that don't work right on it too. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061114/tc_nm/sony_dc_4) That probably shouldn't come as a huge surprise. The Sony fanboys can't really mock the Microsoft fanboys about backwards compatability anymore though.
I tried to look at their launch titles and the only one that was remotely interesting was a shooter which was generic in every way except for being in the 1930's and fighting an alien/monster army instead of the nazis. Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Yegolev on November 14, 2006, 06:48:17 AM Two things I get from that: Software emulation, and I will need a net connection to make the fucking thing work properly.
I will hold off on the "keke" until next week. Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Trippy on November 14, 2006, 06:51:36 AM I guess there are a couple hundred old games that don't work right on it too. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061114/tc_nm/sony_dc_4) That probably shouldn't come as a huge surprise. The Sony fanboys can't really mock the Microsoft fanboys about backwards compatability anymore though. Right, cause having ~30% of all Xbox titles working on the Xbox 360 is the same as having 90%+ of all PS2 titles working on the PS3 :roll:Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Trippy on November 14, 2006, 06:55:00 AM Two things I get from that: Software emulation, and I will need a net connection to make the fucking thing work properly. The PS3 includes the PS2 chips inside of it -- i.e. there is no software emulation going on for the CPU and GPU like there is on the Xbox 360. Compatibility problems stem from some of the features they left out and some of those problems will be fixed with software emulation patches (like what Microsoft is doing).I will hold off on the "keke" until next week. Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Yegolev on November 14, 2006, 07:20:25 AM OK, I can believe that. I have not read the full specs, of course, but I mentally coupled this with the previous announcement that there would not be any form of enhancement of legacy software, which is present in the PS2.
Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Sky on November 14, 2006, 07:36:02 AM The PS2 is a chip (http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/2996_large_emotion_engine.jpg).
I don't understand why people buy on launch day, except to ebay to other people who have zero patience to play a handful of games at a premium. I wouldn't even bother looking at a PS3 until next summer at the earliest, especially given Sony's past launch hardware issues. Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Yegolev on November 14, 2006, 08:04:19 AM So it's a chip. Apparently a half-assed one, even though it is copyrighted 2003? What would stop them from putting the PS1 chip that is already in the PS2 into the PS3? Sneaky bastards. I see now that the assertion that the PS3 is a computer will extend to the realm of downloading patches for things that are broken on release. It's almost time for that "keke"!
Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Sairon on November 14, 2006, 08:16:41 AM The PS2 is a chip (http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/2996_large_emotion_engine.jpg). If you're intrested in games, single and have a decent pay check, then it's not that expensive. I'd guess quite there's quite a few of those people around.I don't understand why people buy on launch day, except to ebay to other people who have zero patience to play a handful of games at a premium. I wouldn't even bother looking at a PS3 until next summer at the earliest, especially given Sony's past launch hardware issues. Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Yegolev on November 14, 2006, 08:29:18 AM People without wives and kids but with a job can afford a PS3 with no problem.
Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Sky on November 14, 2006, 08:31:07 AM True. I bought my tv when I was single.
Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Signe on November 14, 2006, 08:32:07 AM I have no wife, no kids, no job! All I have is my money! :|
Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: HaemishM on November 14, 2006, 08:42:22 AM The PS2 is a chip (http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/2996_large_emotion_engine.jpg). If you're intrested in games, single and have a decent pay check, then it's not that expensive. I'd guess quite there's quite a few of those people around.I don't understand why people buy on launch day, except to ebay to other people who have zero patience to play a handful of games at a premium. I wouldn't even bother looking at a PS3 until next summer at the earliest, especially given Sony's past launch hardware issues. No, it really IS too expensive. It isn't "if you can afford it," it's based on the history of the market and that company in particular. One SUCCESSFUL console has launched with price points that high (360, though the jury's still out on long-term success), but a number of unsuccessful consoles have shipped like the NeoGeo and the 3DO. It's just a bad idea, especially when the losses being taken on every single console sold are so big. It's bad business and it's bad for the consumer, because now they expect consoles to be priced that high. Or they buy it, see shiney retread games like RIDDDDDDDDDGEEEE RACER! and feel fucked in the ass. Which is what they are if they buy this thing in the first year. Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Yoru on November 14, 2006, 09:34:42 AM I don't understand why people buy on launch day, except to ebay to other people who have zero patience to play a handful of games at a premium. I wouldn't even bother looking at a PS3 until next summer at the earliest, especially given Sony's past launch hardware issues. Same reason for raid grinding and any other form of conspicuous consumption. (E-)Peen. Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Sairon on November 14, 2006, 10:44:42 AM The PS2 is a chip (http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/2996_large_emotion_engine.jpg). If you're intrested in games, single and have a decent pay check, then it's not that expensive. I'd guess quite there's quite a few of those people around.I don't understand why people buy on launch day, except to ebay to other people who have zero patience to play a handful of games at a premium. I wouldn't even bother looking at a PS3 until next summer at the earliest, especially given Sony's past launch hardware issues. No, it really IS too expensive. It isn't "if you can afford it," it's based on the history of the market and that company in particular. One SUCCESSFUL console has launched with price points that high (360, though the jury's still out on long-term success), but a number of unsuccessful consoles have shipped like the NeoGeo and the 3DO. It's just a bad idea, especially when the losses being taken on every single console sold are so big. It's bad business and it's bad for the consumer, because now they expect consoles to be priced that high. Or they buy it, see shiney retread games like RIDDDDDDDDDGEEEE RACER! and feel fucked in the ass. Which is what they are if they buy this thing in the first year. For a console, yes it's very expensive. If you consider the hardware I think it's a reasonable price though, iirc they're even doing a loss on each console sold. I'd never pay $600 for a wii or a 360, not because they're a worse console as a whole, but because there's nothing in either the 360 or wii that warants a high price tag. However, if you want BD and buy into that the cell is the shit, then I find it to be reasonable. Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Velorath on November 14, 2006, 10:55:10 AM For a console, yes it's very expensive. If you consider the hardware I think it's a reasonable price though, iirc they're even doing a loss on each console sold. I'd never pay $600 for a wii or a 360, not because they're a worse console as a whole, but because there's nothing in either the 360 or wii that warants a high price tag. However, if you want BD and buy into that the cell is the shit, then I find it to be reasonable. You don't buy a system so you can sit around admiring the hardware inside it. At launch and for some time after, there just aren't any games that justify spending that kind of money on the PS3. I could afford to buy one if I really wanted, but the Wii and the 360 both look like better purchases to me at the moment. Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Signe on November 14, 2006, 11:06:08 AM We're not buying a Wii or a PS3 and we've not bought a 360 yet. And it IS the principle. Those things are not only way over priced, but sometimes new stuff explodes. Sheesh... all that money and you can't even wear them on your feet!
Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Cheddar on November 14, 2006, 11:09:50 AM ... it IS ... feet! (http://www.rupalpinto.com/mehndi/mpics/patti1.jpg) Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: schild on November 14, 2006, 11:20:14 AM Hey guys.
I don't have a wife or kids. This isn't expensive. Also, Monster Hunter PS3 and a few other titles that _will_ eventually come out, make it worth having the cheapest Blu-Ray player on the market. ALSO, RIDDDDDDGE RACER. Oh, and Genji 2. A bunch of sites are giving it a 5-6 out of 10. The original averaged a 7 or so. That means it should be just below fucking awesome. I'm ok with that. Oh, and Resistance. Weeeee. Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Strazos on November 14, 2006, 11:24:02 AM You're nuts.
Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Rasix on November 14, 2006, 11:24:58 AM People reserve 5s and 6s for complete tripe. Sounds like a worse launch lineup than the PSP.
It's OK to not be buying it for the launch lineup. The system should have loads of potential. Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Sairon on November 14, 2006, 11:25:40 AM For a console, yes it's very expensive. If you consider the hardware I think it's a reasonable price though, iirc they're even doing a loss on each console sold. I'd never pay $600 for a wii or a 360, not because they're a worse console as a whole, but because there's nothing in either the 360 or wii that warants a high price tag. However, if you want BD and buy into that the cell is the shit, then I find it to be reasonable. You don't buy a system so you can sit around admiring the hardware inside it. At launch and for some time after, there just aren't any games that justify spending that kind of money on the PS3. I could afford to buy one if I really wanted, but the Wii and the 360 both look like better purchases to me at the moment. Yes, a console isn't better than the games made for it, that's true. I guess they could skip BD, skip the cell and go with some generic CPU, skip the hard-drive and skip blue tooth among some things. Doing that they could cut down on price and probably getting a higher installed user base at the cost of tech. However, there's a market for high end technology, there's people out there willing to pay up for the extras. If it's a smart move to buy it at launch for triple the price is arguable, for most people it's just stupid. However, some people are anticipating the PS3 and are prepared to pay the price, it's pretty understandable in fact. I know people who have over $1000 after living expenses payed, I bet you people know some of those too. Why shouldn't they buy it if they're anticipating the console then? Don't forget there's a warranty coming with the console. Wii is already targeting the segment that thinks the price for console is going up to fast, and the hardware reflects just that. BTW, I'm well aware of the fact that for all we know PS3 might suck balls, it might not be the technological power house it's made out to be. :-) Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Velorath on November 14, 2006, 11:43:26 AM I know people who have over $1000 after living expenses payed, I bet you people know some of those too. Why shouldn't they buy it if they're anticipating the console then? They can do whatever they want, it's not my money. There are people that can afford to have 20+ accounts to SWG, but that doesn't mean I consider it a smart way to spend their money. I could afford to go out and buy a PS3 and an HDTV if I really wanted to, but it's less about whether or not people can afford it, and more about value. Games like Heavenly Sword, Lair, and Motorstorm which have been getting positive buzz probably won't be out until March at the earliest. Games like FFXIII, MGS 4, and Schild's aforementioned Monster Hunter, won't be out until the end of 2007 at the earliest. Why buy a console at launch if you're just going to end up waiting months anyway for a decent game to come out? Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Sairon on November 14, 2006, 11:57:20 AM I know people who have over $1000 after living expenses payed, I bet you people know some of those too. Why shouldn't they buy it if they're anticipating the console then? They can do whatever they want, it's not my money. There are people that can afford to have 20+ accounts to SWG, but that doesn't mean I consider it a smart way to spend their money. I could afford to go out and buy a PS3 and an HDTV if I really wanted to, but it's less about whether or not people can afford it, and more about value. Games like Heavenly Sword, Lair, and Motorstorm which have been getting positive buzz probably won't be out until March at the earliest. Games like FFXIII, MGS 4, and Schild's aforementioned Monster Hunter, won't be out until the end of 2007 at the earliest. Why buy a console at launch if you're just going to end up waiting months anyway for a decent game to come out? $600 on release, just grabbing a number from my rear, lets say $500 by march. Intresting games by the end of '06 includes Resistance and Untold Legends, if I had $1000 left after living expenses I'd buy a PS3 with those 2 titles and not regret not "saving" ~$110 or the likes for waiting 4 months. Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Strazos on November 14, 2006, 11:58:56 AM Seriously, there is no reason to get any console at launch. It's not like you won't be able to buy it later, for less money, and possibly have less problems if there has been a hardware revision.
Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: schild on November 14, 2006, 12:00:14 PM I will readily admit that I am buying this on Day 1 for Resistance, Ridge Racer 7, Genji 2, Gundam (seriously, dead seriously - and I don't even like Gundam... just looks FUN) and Blu-Ray discs. Short of Monster Hunter and FFXIII - I don't care too much about the future of the system at this point. But I will post this:
----Shamelessly stolen from NeoGaf (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=120957&highlight=ps3) Quote **Bolded titles indicate exclusivity (any type of) and/or titles currently only announced for the PS3 thus far** _____________________________________ 2K Games/Take-Two/Rockstar ● College Hoops 2K7 ~Visual Concepts, Q1 2007~ ● The Darkness ~Starbreeze, 2007~ ● Grand Theft Auto 4 ~Rockstar North, Q4 2007~ ● L.A Noire ~Team Bondi, TBA~ ● NHL 2K7 ~Visual Concepts, Launch~ ● NBA 2K7 ~Visual Concepts, Launch~ ● Red Dead Revolver 2 ~Rockstar North, TBA~ Activision ● Call of Duty 3 ~Infinity Ward, Launch~ ● Marvel: Ultimate Alliance ~Raven, Launch~ ● Spider-Man 3 ~Treyarch, Q2 2007~ ● Tony Hawk's Project 8 ~Neversoft, Launch~ Atari ● Alone in the Dark 5 ~Eden Studios, TBA~ Atlus ● Shin Megami Tensei 4 ~Atlus R&D1, TBA~ Bethesda ● The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion ~In-house, Q1 2007~ Beuna Vista ● Turok ~Propaganda, TBA~ Capcom ● Devil May Cry 4 ~Capcom Studio 1, Q4 2007~ ● Monster Hunter 3 ~Capcom Studio 1, 2008~ ● Resident Evil 5 ~Capcom Studio 4, Q4 2007~ Codemasters ● DIRT: Colin McRae Off-Road ~In-house, 2007~ ● Fall of Liberty ~Spark Unlimited, 2007~ D3 Publisher ● Dark Sector ~Digital Extremes, TBA~ Eidos ● Age of Conan ~Funcom, Q3 2007~ ~ ● Untitled ~Action~ ~TBD, TBA~ Electronic Arts ● Army of Two ~EA Montreal, 2007~ ● Battlefield: Bad Company ~DICE, 2007~ ● Burnout 5 ~Criterion, Q1 2007~ ● Def Jam: Icon ~EA Chicago, Q1 2007~ ● Fight Night Round 3 ~EA Chicago, Dec. 12~ ● Half Life 2: Complete Pack ~Valve/EA, Q1 2007~ ● Lord of the Rings: The White Council ~EA Redwood Shores, Q4 2007~ ● Madden NFL 07 ~Tiburon, Launch~ ● Medal of Honor: Airborne ~EALA, Q1 2007~ ● NBA Street Homecourt ~EA Canada, TBA~ ● Need for Speed: Carbon ~EA Black Box, Launch~ ● SKATE ~EA Black Box, 2007~ ● Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07 ~EA Redwood Shores, Launch~ Koei ● Blade Storm: Hundred Years War ~Omega Force, 2007~ ● Fatal Inertia ~Koei Canada, 2007~ ● Mahjong Taikai IV ~In-house, Nov. 22~ ● Ni-Oh ~In-house, 2007~ Konami ● Bomberman ~Hudson, TBA~ ● Coded Arms: Assault ~KCET, 2007~ ● Gradius VI ~TBD, TBA~ ● Hellboy ~Krome Studios, TBA~ ● Jikkyou Powerful Pro Baseball ~KCET, 2007~ ● Mahjong Fight Club ~KCET, Nov. 16~ ● Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots ~Kojima Productions, Q4 2007~ ● Rengoku: The End of the Century ~Hudson, TBA~ ● Winning Eleven: Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 ~KCET, Q2 2007~ ~ ● Untitled ~RPG~ ~TBD, TBA~ ● Untitled ~RPG~ ~Hudson, TBA~ Lucasarts ● Indiana Jones 2007 ~In-house, 2007~ Midway ● Stranglehold ~Midway Studios Chicago, Q1 2007~ ● TNA iMPACT! ~Midway Studios - LA, 2007~ ● Unreal Tournament 2007 ~Epic, 2007~ ● The Wheelman ~Tigon, TBA~ Namco Bandai ● Mobile Suit Gundam: Crossfire ~BEC, Launch~ ● Ridge Racer 7 ~In-house, Launch~ ● Tekken 6 ~In-house, 2007~ ~ ● Untitled ~Anime Project~ ~TBD, TBA~ ● Untitled ~Mech Action~ ~TBD, TBA~ ● Untitled ~RPG~ ~TBD, TBA~ ● Untitled ~Shooter~ ~TBD, TBA~ ● Untitled ~Sports~ ~TBD, TBA~ Nippon Ichi Software ● Makai Wars ~In-house, TBA~ Sega Sammy ● Armored Core 4 ~From Software, Q2 2007~ ● The Club ~Bizarre Creations, TBA~ ● Fifth Phantom Saga ~Sonic Team, TBA~ ● Full Auto 2: Battlelines ~Pseudo, Launch~ ● Golden Axe ~Secret Level, TBA~ ● Guilty Gear BB ~Arc System Works, TBA~ ● Miyazato Sega Golf Club ~AM1, Launch~ ● Sega Rally Revo ~Sega Racing Studio, TBA~ ● Sonic the Hedgehog ~Sonic Team, Dec. 19~ ● Virtua Fighter 5 ~AM2, Q1 2007~ ● Virtua Tennis 3 ~AM3/AM2, Q1 2007~ ● World Snooker Championship 2007 ~Blade Interactive, TBA~ ~ ● Untitled ~RPG~ ~Obsidian, TBA~ Sony Computer Entertainment ● Afrika ~Rhino Studios, 2007~ ● Angel Rings ~Japan Studio, TBA~ ● Ape Escape 4 ~Japan Studio, TBA~ ● Blast Factor ~Bluepoint, Launch~ (PSN Download) ● Calling All Cars ~Incognito, Q1 2007~ (PSN Download) ● Eight Days ~London Studio, TBA~ ● The Eye of Judgment ~Japan Studio, Q1 2007~ ● flOw ~thatgamecompany, Launch~ (PSN Download) ● Formula One CE ~Studio Liverpool, Dec. 2006~ ● Genji: Days of the Blade ~Game Republic, Launch~ ● Getaway ~Team Soho, TBA~ ● Go! Sudoku! ~Sumo Digital, TBA~ (PSN Download) ● Go! Swizzleblock2 ~TBD, TBA~ (PSN Download) ● Gran Turismo 5 ~Polyphony Digital, 2008~ ● Gran Turismo: HD ~Polyphony Digital, TBA~ ● Gretzky NHL '07 ~Page 44, TBA~ ● Heavenly Sword ~Ninja Theory, Q1 2007~ ● Hot Shots Golf 5 ~Clap Hanz, Q2 2007~ ● Killzone ~Guerrilla, 2008~ ● Lair ~Factor 5, Q2 2007~ ● Lemmings 2 ~SCEA Santa Monica, TBA~ (PSN Download) ● MLB '07 ~SCE San Diego, 2007~ ● Monster Kingdom: Unknown Realms ~Game Republic, 2007~ ● Motorstorm ~Evolution, Q4 2006~ ● My Summer Vacation 3 ~Japan Studio, Q2 2007~ ● NBA '07 ~SCE San Diego, Launch~ ● Ratchet & Clank: Next ~Insomniac, TBA~ ● Resistence: Fall of Man ~Insomniac, Launch~ ● SingStar ~London Studio, Q4 2006~ ● Siren ~Japan Studio, TBA~ ● Warhawk ~Incognito, Q2 2007~ ● White Knight Story ~Level 5, Q4 2007~ ● World Tour Soccer '07 ~London Studio, TBA~ ~ ● Untitled ~Action~ ~Media Molecule, TBA~ ● Untitled ~Adventure~ ~Naughty Dog, 2007~ Sony Online Entertainment ● Ca$h Carnage Chao$ ~San Diego Studio, Launch~ (PSN Download) ● Gripshift DLX ~Sidhe, TBA~ (PSN Download) ● Untold Legends: Dark Kingdom ~San Diego Studio, Launch~ ~ ● Untitled ~MMORPG~ ~Austin Studio, TBA~ SouthPeak Interactive ● Monster Madness ~Artificial, Q1 2007~ Square Enix ● Densha de GO! Online ~Taito, TBA~ ● Extreme ~Taito, TBA~ ● Final Fantasy XIII ~PDD1, 2007~ ● Final Fantasy Versus XIII ~PDD1, 2008~ ● Project Psychic ~Taito, TBA~ ● Railfan ~Taito/Ongakukan, Dec. 21~ ~ ● Untitled ~MMORPG~ ~PDD3, TBA~ THQ ● Frontlines: Fuel of War ~Kaos, TBA~ ● Stuntman 2 ~Paradigm, TBA~ ● WWE Smackdown! vs. Raw 2008 ~Yuke's, Q4 2007~ Tecmo ● Ninja Gaiden: Sigma ~Team Ninja, 2007~ ~ ● Untitled ~Action-Adventure~ ~TBD, TBA~ Ubisoft ● Assassin's Creed ~Ubisoft Montreal, Q1 2007~ ● Blazing Angels: Squadrons of WWII ~Ubisoft Romania, Launch~ ● Brothers in Arms: Hell's Highway ~Gearbox, 2007~ ● Driver 5 ~Reflections, TBA~ ● Haze ~Free Radical, TBA~ ● Rayman Raving Rabbids ~Studio ANCEL, TBA~ ● Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Vegas ~Ubisoft Montreal, Launch~ Vivendi ● F.E.A.R ~Day 1/Monolith, Q1 2007~ ● Heat ~Gearbox, TBA~ Warner ● Dirty Harry ~The Collective, TBA~ Misc. (No publisher) ● 2 Days to Vegas ~Steel Monkey, TBA~ ● Beowulf ~4HEAD Studios, TBA~ ● Heavy Rain ~Quantic Dream, 2008~ ● Infraworld ~Quantic Dream, TBA~ ● Interstellar Marines ~Zero Point, TBA~ ● Mercenaries 2: World of Flames ~Pandemic, TBA~ ● Omikron KARMA ~Quantic Dream, TBA~ ● The Outsider ~Frontier, TBA~ ● Possession ~Blitz Games, TBA~ ● Redwood Falls ~Kuju, TBA~ ● WarDevil: Enigma ~Digi-Guys, TBA~ ● Wheel of Fortune ~TBD, TBA~ (PSN Download) ● X Quest ~Spectrum MediaWrks, TBA~ ___________________________________________________________ Japan Only (No US/EU publisher) Artdink ● Aquanote no Kyujitsu: Inner Mind Adventure ~TBA~ ~ ● Untitled ~Simulation~ ~TBA~ AQ Interactive ● Vampire's Rain ~Artoon, 2007~ ~ ● Untitled ~Action RPG~ ~cavia, TBA~ Banpresto ● Super Robot Taisen ~TBA~ Enterbrain ● Derby Stallion ~TBA~ From Software ● Enchant Arm ~Q4 2006~ Genki ● Wangan Midnight ~Q2 2007~ ~ ● Untitled ~Samurai Fighting~ ~TBA~ Gust ● Untitled ~RPG~ ~TBA~ Hamster ● Untitled ~Simulation~ ~TBA~ Idea Factory ● Shinten Makai VI ~TBA~ Interchannel ● Untitled ~Love Adventure~ ~TBA~ Irem Software ● Untitled ~Action-Adventure~ ~TBA~ Marvelous Interactive ● Mahjong Oh ~Warashi, TBA~ ~ ● Untitled ~Action~ ~TBA~ Michaelsoft ● Project D ~TBA~ Spike ● Sengoku 23KU ~Acquire, TBA~ ● Way of the Samurai 3 ~Acquire, TBA~ Success ● Hitsuji Mura ~TBA~ ~ ● Untitled ~RPG~ ~TBA~ Sunrise Interactive ● Shinseiki GPX Cyber Formula ~TBA~ ● Sunrise Eiyuutan ~TBA~ Takuyo ● AKARI Project ~TBA~ ● MASTER Project ~TBA~ _____________________________________ Downloadable PSN Demos ● Motorstorm (Nov. 17) ● Resistence: Fall of Man (Nov. 17) _____________________________________ PS3 Launch Lineup - NA (Nov. 17) ● Blast Factor (PSN Download) ● Blazing Angels: Squadrons of WWII ● Call of Duty 3 ● Ca$h Carnage Chao$ (PSN Download) ● flOw (PSN Download) ● Full Auto 2: Battlelines ● Genji: Days of the Blade ● Madden NFL 07 ● Marvel: Ultimate Alliance ● Mobile Suit Gundam: Crossfire ● NBA '07 ● NBA 2K7 ● Need for Speed: Carbon ● NHL 2K7 ● Resistence: Fall of Man ● Ridge Racer 7 ● Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07 ● Tony Hawk's Project 8 ● Untold Legends: Dark Kingdom ● Fight Night Round 3 (Dec. 12) ● Sonic the Hedgehog (Dec. 19) ● Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Vegas (Dec. 19) PS3 Launch Lineup - Japan (Nov. 11) ● Blast Factor (PSN Download) ● Genji: Days of the Blade ● Miyazato Sega Golf Club ● Mobile Suit Gundam: Crossfire ● Resistence: Fall of Man ● Ridge Racer 7 ● Mahjong Fight Club (Nov. 16) ● flOw (PSN Download) (Nov. 17) ● Mahjong Taikai IV (Nov. 22) ● Motorstorm (Dec. 7) ● Armored Core 4 (Dec. 14) ● Formula One CE (Dec. 21) ● Railfan (Dec. 21) ...Yea. Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: MrHat on November 14, 2006, 12:33:14 PM Isn't Dark Alliance suppose to be a release game? I thought the first one was fun.
Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: NiX on November 14, 2006, 12:35:48 PM YAY! Potential list of games! Wait, wow, that's it? Not a whole lot that makes ME want it.
Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: eldaec on November 14, 2006, 12:38:54 PM Taking vapourware to new heights...
Quote ● Untitled ~Anime Project~ ~TBD, TBA~ ● Untitled ~Mech Action~ ~TBD, TBA~ ● Untitled ~RPG~ ~TBD, TBA~ ● Untitled ~Shooter~ ~TBD, TBA~ ● Untitled ~Sports~ ~TBD, TBA~ ...I'm not sure you can really call this stuff 'announced', but nm. The PS3 got a fair few column inches in the FT today. Mostly talking about crazy Japanese dealers buying these things up for resale at inflated prices, and casting general doubt on the wisdom of 'industry experts' writing off the PS3 as too expensive and too late. EDIT Also, how the fuck does Lemmings 2 count as PS3 exclusive? Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: schild on November 14, 2006, 12:55:47 PM Seeing as those Untitled games come from Namco Bandai, you can assume a couple things: Naruto, Tales of..., Generic Shooter, etc. It's fairly reasonable to say that they're completely titled and they're just not showing all their cards. Also, who gives a shit? It's Namco/Bandai.
The anime is probably Naruto btw and the RPG could be the Tales I mentioned or .Hack. Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Strazos on November 14, 2006, 01:00:44 PM Erm, the new Armored Core game isn't a PS exclusive? Odd.
Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: HaemishM on November 14, 2006, 01:06:20 PM Why is it acceptable to buy a PS3 for $600 on launch based on a POTENTIAL lineup that may suck but it's not acceptable or smart to buy an MMOG on release day based on the potential for fun once they patch it?
The PS3 is the SWG of consoles. EDIT: Though it might actually have collision detection. Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: schild on November 14, 2006, 01:07:55 PM The SWG of consoles?
What? Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Special J on November 14, 2006, 01:46:40 PM Quote ● Untitled ~Anime Project~ ~TBD, TBA~ ● Untitled ~Mech Action~ ~TBD, TBA~ ● Untitled ~RPG~ ~TBD, TBA~ ● Untitled ~Shooter~ ~TBD, TBA~ ● Untitled ~Sports~ ~TBD, TBA~ I'm sorry, I'm lost. I seem to have clicked a PS3 thread and ended up in a Phantom thread. Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Riggswolfe on November 14, 2006, 01:51:59 PM The only thing on that list that looks even remotely exciting is the list of JRPGs and frankly, I'm getting to a point where this racist "only publish them on a Japanese console" shit is pissing me off.
The rest of it is either: A) Already on 360 B) not exclusive C) untitled potential vapourware or D) Exclusive but not that exciting. Meh. Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: StGabe on November 14, 2006, 02:01:53 PM I can do even better than "no wife, no kids". TWINK ("TWo Incomes, No Kids"). All the same I don't see anything here that justifies $600+. I want to want it, but that release list is a big pile of "meh". Plus I have a huge stack of PS2 titles to get through. It's a mixed blessing for Sony. On the one hand, nothing on the PS3 in the near future comes close to competing with GH2, KH2, FFXII, God of War and Okami (all games I'm still playing). On the other hand, those games go a long way to making me believe that eventualy there will be some great games I want on the PS3.
I think Sony will get their act together but I'm going to wait to actually see that happen before I drop $600, which is a lot of money no matter how you look at it. Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Fabricated on November 14, 2006, 02:10:26 PM I'm just going to say this.
If you buy one and ebay it, especially if you have other people get in line to buy more so you can ebay those too, you are a faggot and should be hit by a truck.* *And if you don't like the word faggot, I don't care. It's too good of a word not to use. How about cunt next time instead? Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Velorath on November 14, 2006, 02:39:35 PM I'm just going to say this. If you buy one and ebay it, especially if you have other people get in line to buy more so you can ebay those too, you are a faggot and should be hit by a truck.* *And if you don't like the word faggot, I don't care. It's too good of a word not to use. How about cunt next time instead? I'm too lazy to camp out for pre-orders or midnight PS3 launches to bother with the ebay thing. That said, I feel the say way about people ebaying PS3's as I do about gold farmers in MMO's. They wouldn't be doing it if there wasn't a market for it. I can understand the guy trying to make some easy money a lot more than I can understand the guy paying a couple grand for a PS3. Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Rasix on November 14, 2006, 02:43:50 PM I'm too lazy to camp out for pre-orders or midnight PS3 launches to bother with the ebay thing. That said, I feel the say way about people ebaying PS3's as I do about gold farmers in MMO's. They wouldn't be doing it if there wasn't a market for it. I can understand the guy trying to make some easy money a lot more than I can understand the guy paying a couple grand for a PS3. There's a market for just about every despicable exploitative act on the planet. That's a poor, poor excuse. But I guess they're exploiting suckers, so that's OK. :| Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Velorath on November 14, 2006, 03:01:57 PM There's a market for just about every despicable exploitative act on the planet. That's a poor, poor excuse. But I guess they're exploiting suckers, so that's OK. :| And in most cases where the "victim" willingly subjects themselves to those despicable, exploitative acts, I have a hard time blaming the person taking advantage of it. Most of those acts involve exploiting suckers, from marking up PS3's to getting people hooked on cigarettes. Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Signe on November 14, 2006, 03:37:53 PM Walmart sent around an email for Wii and PS3 preorders. The PS3 bundle started at over $1400... looked like a lot of games though... and the Wii bundle started at about $650. Both were already "out of stock" when people received the emails.
Dumbasses. Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Viin on November 14, 2006, 03:50:01 PM I'm in the TWINK category too, but I won't be buying a PS3. I'd much rather upgrade my PC to a quad core Intel, dual SLI box (even though it costs a thousand more) .. at least I'd be able to use it for more than just a few games that are exciting for about 2 weeks.
Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Big Gulp on November 14, 2006, 03:57:22 PM I'm just going to say this. If you buy one and ebay it, especially if you have other people get in line to buy more so you can ebay those too, you are a faggot and should be hit by a truck.* *And if you don't like the word faggot, I don't care. It's too good of a word not to use. How about cunt next time instead? If I could get my hands on one (or hell, several) I'd put those bitches on eBay in a heartbeat and not lose an ounce of sleep. Strangely, I've never felt bad about screwing morons out of their cash. Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: SnakeCharmer on November 14, 2006, 04:47:07 PM I'm just going to say this. If you buy one and ebay it, especially if you have other people get in line to buy more so you can ebay those too, you are a faggot and should be hit by a truck.* *And if you don't like the word faggot, I don't care. It's too good of a word not to use. How about cunt next time instead? If I could get my hands on one (or hell, several) I'd put those bitches on eBay in a heartbeat and not lose an ounce of sleep. Strangely, I've never felt bad about screwing morons out of their cash. You and me both. Capitalism at its finest. Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Special J on November 14, 2006, 04:49:34 PM If I could get my hands on one (or hell, several) I'd put those bitches on eBay in a heartbeat and not lose an ounce of sleep. Strangely, I've never felt bad about screwing morons out of their cash. I have a hard time feeling sorry for someone that need a console so badly at release that they have to pay a premium for a system off eBay. They've got money they obviously need to get rid of; maybe I should help them. That sort of payoff would be the only thing that might convince me to stand in line for one. Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Etro on November 14, 2006, 08:03:59 PM I have a hard time feeling sorry for someone that need a console so badly at release that they have to pay a premium for a system off eBay. They've got money they obviously need to get rid of; maybe I should help them. That sort of payoff would be the only thing that might convince me to stand in line for one. Perhaps all these people that will buy their ps3 off ebay follow the logic "Good Things Cost Good Money" (http://youtube.com/watch?v=Z1hwb5yGZZQ). If I had the money and the opportunity, I'd do exactly what Big Gulp Said: If I could get my hands on one (or hell, several) I'd put those bitches on eBay in a heartbeat and not lose an ounce of sleep. Strangely, I've never felt bad about screwing morons out of their cash. Sometimes I think that companies like Sony do this kind of crap on purpose. They know there is going to be a high demand for the console (after all its the new PS!), so why don't they cut the numbers and bump up the cost, gives the product a sense of being a limited edition. The people who I feel sorry for are the parents that are going to suffer from the whines of kids for the new PS, they are going to be out of pocket enough nevermind the fact its going to be extortionate to resort to eBay for one if they are desperate enough. Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: WindupAtheist on November 14, 2006, 08:17:22 PM Those people are idiots, and should give their kids a Wii and an invitation to STFU.
Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Samwise on November 14, 2006, 10:20:20 PM The people who I feel sorry for are the parents that are going to suffer from the whines of kids for the new PS, they are going to be out of pocket enough nevermind the fact its going to be extortionate to resort to eBay for one if they are desperate enough. You know what I say about people with kids like that -- it's never too late for a back alley abortion. Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Yoru on November 14, 2006, 11:30:41 PM Those people are idiots, and should give their kids a Wii and an invitation to STFU. Or better yet, an invitation to work retail for a few months and save up enough for a PS3 on their own. That'll learn 'em the value of money. Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: vex on November 15, 2006, 02:00:51 AM The people who I feel sorry for are the parents that are going to suffer from the whines of kids for the new PS, they are going to be out of pocket enough nevermind the fact its going to be extortionate to resort to eBay for one if they are desperate enough. Don't feel sorry for them. You reap what you sow. Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: squirrel on November 15, 2006, 04:17:14 AM Well the funny thing is that the PS3 is going to have the widest window ever to succeed. And deservedly so I guess. I remain of the opinion that Sony as a co. lost their nerve when Apple ate their walkman lunch and now are only capable of making good TV's and video cameras.
Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: MrHat on November 15, 2006, 04:39:07 AM Heh, I wonder if you keep it sealed in the box, if you can get even more in like 3 years. "Super rare first round PS3 sealed in box, with receipt showing date of purchase."
Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: eldaec on November 15, 2006, 04:52:04 AM I remain of the opinion that Sony as a co. lost their nerve when Apple ate their walkman lunch and now are only capable of making good TV's and video cameras. Sony do not make good TVs or cameras. You are just falling for Sony's typically excellent marketing strategy. The same strategy that explains why the PS3 is sold out everywhere despite the cost. Sony's greatest strengths have always been to break niche products through further into the mass market, and when that breakthough advantage fades, to pretend that their kit (which is typically identical to all other budget brands) should demand a premium. They lost walkman dominance long before the ipod, but continued to do well by pretending the walkman brand was a premium product. The PS1 gave them similar breakthrough success, widening the console market substantially, but now that dominance has faded, they are aiming to pretend that the playstation brand deserves a premium (hence the ubiquitous marketing nonsense about how cell chips are the most powerful thing evar). It's far too early to say that they will fail. The reason people in this thread think the PS3 is overpriced flim flam, is because people here know the product. People who know televisions, or who know cameras, make very similar threads on their message boards about how Sony products in their arena are also overpriced schlock. Quote from: Big Gulp If I could get my hands on one (or hell, several) I'd put those bitches on eBay in a heartbeat and not lose an ounce of sleep. Strangely, I've never felt bad about screwing morons out of their cash. Quite right too. The transfer of economic buying power out of the the hands of the foolish is probably good for the entire economy in the long run. Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Signe on November 15, 2006, 05:12:51 AM I don't see a thing wrong with buying something at one price and selling it at another. Somehow I doubt you'll be exploiting homeless people or brain damaged nuns or anything... just people with more dollars than sense. They know and they expect to be exploited. It's in the stupid rich fuck manifesto.
Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Miasma on November 15, 2006, 06:49:20 AM The issue isn't selling the machines for several times what they're worth, both people are happy there, the seller made a nice profit and the freak got his precious video game system. The person ebaying screws is the guy behind you in line that isn't rich enough to buy it from ebay so he stood around all night after hunting through dozens of stores to try and get one.
I don't care too much about that guy either but I still wouldn't buy a PS3 just to ebay it. Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Signe on November 15, 2006, 07:00:22 AM No, I would do that either but not for any altruistic or moral reason.... I'm just too lazy. It would be a bother to stick it in a box and wrap it up and take it to the post office and stand in line. All that bother. I only buy stuff so I have it. I've never bought or sold a thing on eBay, although I do believe Righ has a couple of times. (bought, not sold) Mostly stuff to do with music. I have to admit, I was very very tempted to buy an Onyx 2 once, but I got over it. I have a thing for those old dinosaurs.
Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Yegolev on November 15, 2006, 08:26:22 AM Heh, I wonder if you keep it sealed in the box, if you can get even more in like 3 years. "Super rare first round PS3 sealed in box, with receipt showing date of purchase." See if you can find anyone willing to buy -- or just take for free -- a v1 PS2. If I wasn't laying out so much cash already in '06, I'd probably get a new PS2... but the antediluvian one I have now works most of the time. In three or four years, people will want the new reengineered PS3 that already contains the v9 board and v13 OS and is smalller than a breadbox. I'll get a PS3 eventually. That software list is all the explanation I need to give. I don't particularly feel the need to get one right away, though. It's mostly about the finances. If I were not married or a father, and if I didn't pay $1800/mo for my mortgage, etc., I'd have gotten a preorder already. Maybe even a Wii preorder. I'd also have a 360 already, and I'd have a museum-type room set up where I would have my old consoles. I'd also have the "missing" consoles and a slew of games for them. It perturbs me that I don't own a Dreamcast or an Atari 2600. So, really, it's all about being a responsible adult in my case, and that's pretty fucking weird but true. The item that jumped at me on the NeoGAF list was Ninja Gaiden Sigma. Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Velorath on November 15, 2006, 09:50:37 AM The item that jumped at me on the NeoGAF list was Ninja Gaiden Sigma. The 2nd remake of an Xbox game is what jumped at you? Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Sairon on November 15, 2006, 10:54:36 AM I remain of the opinion that Sony as a co. lost their nerve when Apple ate their walkman lunch and now are only capable of making good TV's and video cameras. Sony do not make good TVs or cameras. You are just falling for Sony's typically excellent marketing strategy. The same strategy that explains why the PS3 is sold out everywhere despite the cost. Um, Sony has some of the best HDTVs out there, even when considering bang for the buck. Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Yegolev on November 15, 2006, 11:12:50 AM The item that jumped at me on the NeoGAF list was Ninja Gaiden Sigma. The 2nd remake of an Xbox game is what jumped at you? Yes. Because it's an exclusive. I think that's odd. Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: schild on November 15, 2006, 11:23:04 AM Team Ninja has their B Squad working on this one while Itagaki works on Code Chronus and DOA5 or whatever. I'll still be getting it.
Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Big Gulp on November 15, 2006, 12:32:40 PM The person ebaying screws is the guy behind you in line that isn't rich enough to buy it from ebay so he stood around all night after hunting through dozens of stores to try and get one. Sorry, I don't feel bad for him either. Maybe he needs to ditch the obsession with being "guy with the new shiny", because we know that the system is going to be readily available in a matter of months. Or, if he wants to keep his obsession, he needs to take a second job to meet the prices that eBay demands. In any case, I have no obligation to him. For all I know, that guy in line behind me (or the homeless guy I've paid to stand in line) is in line for just the same reason; to sell it on eBay. This is just the natural consequence of a rare product being in high demand. You can't blame the person seeking to profit from such a situation, it's what keeps this crazy economic system we've got going working. Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Miasma on November 15, 2006, 01:05:06 PM The Japanese systems aren't being auctioned off too easily. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061115/ap_on_hi_te/japan_playstation) They seem to have a glut of auctions though, 4,000 out of only 90,000 sold are being re-sold. There are auctions in the US up to $2,300 just for a pre-order box. Since the PS3 is region free I don't quite get it, what is stopping people from buying the Japanese systems?
Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: schild on November 15, 2006, 01:12:37 PM It's not region free for movies.
Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: NiX on November 15, 2006, 03:36:21 PM [Yes. Because it's an exclusive. I think that's odd. Not odd at all. Why would Microsoft or Team Ninja waste time porting the original Gaiden over to 360? Just work on Gaiden 2.Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: schild on November 15, 2006, 03:38:01 PM Correct!
There's nothing exclusive about Ninja Gaiden Sigma. I'll still buy it because, well, I'm a whore. But it's definately damaged goods at this point and guaranteed money. Everyone likes a skank. Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Triforcer on November 15, 2006, 04:17:05 PM The person ebaying screws is the guy behind you in line that isn't rich enough to buy it from ebay so he stood around all night after hunting through dozens of stores to try and get one. Sorry, I don't feel bad for him either. Maybe he needs to ditch the obsession with being "guy with the new shiny", because we know that the system is going to be readily available in a matter of months. Or, if he wants to keep his obsession, he needs to take a second job to meet the prices that eBay demands. In any case, I have no obligation to him. For all I know, that guy in line behind me (or the homeless guy I've paid to stand in line) is in line for just the same reason; to sell it on eBay. This is just the natural consequence of a rare product being in high demand. You can't blame the person seeking to profit from such a situation, it's what keeps this crazy economic system we've got going working. You've forgotten this site's attitude towards capitalism. The people decrying the Ebay seller aren't being hypocritical at all. 8-) Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: HaemishM on November 15, 2006, 05:49:45 PM The Ebay seller is providing a service to capitalism. He is raping over people who have enough sense to make enough money to pay three or four times what the system costs, but who don't have enough sense to see how fucking retarded it is to pay three or four times what the system is worth. Those are the people that require gas stations to put signs on the pumps saying "This is not a beverage. Don't drink this."
Sometimes the exploitative nature of capitalism hits just the right people. This is one of those times. Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Jain Zar on November 15, 2006, 08:50:36 PM Ebay has been the great slayer of common sense purchasing.
Ebay has proven that there are plenty of idiots willing and able to pay vastly more for a product because its rare, out of print, or to get it early/first. These idiots with more money than sense are related to the gambling idiots I have to deal with every week, except they get something for their defecation of the dollar as opposed to losing it all. And its not just videogames. That new World of Warcraft CCG is going 8-11 dollars for a 15 card booster pack. And morons are paying it. Morons will pay anything to have what they want even if its stupid, or is practically guaranteed to be more readily available and cheaper within a few months. Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Yegolev on November 15, 2006, 09:18:01 PM There's nothing exclusive about Ninja Gaiden Sigma. I thought it was because, well, it is bolded on that list. Also, I had thought that the Ninja Gaiden I like so much was Xbox-only, but maybe I am wrong. I don't plan on looking it up. So it seemed interesting that Team Ninja was changing consoles. Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Velorath on November 15, 2006, 09:38:43 PM There's nothing exclusive about Ninja Gaiden Sigma. I thought it was because, well, it is bolded on that list. Also, I had thought that the Ninja Gaiden I like so much was Xbox-only, but maybe I am wrong. I don't plan on looking it up. So it seemed interesting that Team Ninja was changing consoles. Ninja Gaiden Sigma is pretty much Ninja Gaiden Black with some updated graphics, extra content, and Rachel as a playable character. Edit: Just read about the latest big complaint a lot of people are having with the PS3. Apparently on TV's which support 480i, 480p, and 1080i, but not 720p (a number of older CRT HDTVs are like that), games that run in 720p will be downscaled to 480p rather than upscaled (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/746/746282p1.html). This probably isn't too big a deal for most people, but just a heads up for anyone planning on getting a PS3 that doesn't have a TV that doesn't support 720p. Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Strazos on November 15, 2006, 11:14:57 PM 8-11 bucks for WoW CCG boosters? Had a guy last week spend about $200 for a whole box of boosters +6 starter kits.
Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Riggswolfe on November 16, 2006, 06:46:25 AM Ebay has been the great slayer of common sense purchasing. Ebay has proven that there are plenty of idiots willing and able to pay vastly more for a product because its rare, out of print, or to get it early/first. Those first two have nothing to do with Ebay and have been true for most of human history since the printing press. Hell, there are some amazing novels, gaming products, etc that are out of print that I have been willing to buy for extra money. Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Yegolev on November 16, 2006, 08:28:00 AM Ninja Gaiden Sigma is pretty much Ninja Gaiden Black with some updated graphics, extra content, and Rachel as a playable character. Worth a purchase to me. I bought NG Black even though I already owned the initial release, and it didn't even have better graphics. Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Etro on November 16, 2006, 09:23:19 AM At least some good will come from the sale of ps3's on ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=STRK%3AMESC%3AIT&viewitem=&item=330050346981&rd=1&rd=1 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=STRK%3AMESC%3AIT&viewitem=&item=330050346981&rd=1&rd=1) Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Strazos on November 16, 2006, 09:40:59 AM They do realize they are only bidding on 2 games, right?
EDIT: Nevermind, bonus met = system as well. Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Nija on November 16, 2006, 09:47:05 AM Rumor has it that Sony and Ebay have an agreement to not allow PS3s on ebay for a little bit.
I hope that's true, for the sake of comedy. Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Big Gulp on November 16, 2006, 05:05:08 PM Rumor has it that Sony and Ebay have an agreement to not allow PS3s on ebay for a little bit. I hope that's true, for the sake of comedy. And that's going to cut Amazon out of the loop how? I really, really dislike eBay nowadays. I can remember around 2000-2002 when I used to go straight to eBay looking for stuff, but I haven't bought anything off of there in years. Hardware? Newegg. Games, books, and electronic gadgets? Amazon. Unless you're looking for something really obscure you're better off just hitting Craig's list for other stuff. Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Strazos on November 16, 2006, 05:08:57 PM Not sure that it matters, but my GS got in the PS3 demo unit today.
It was DOA. It will not run any discs inserted, or run the demos stored on the HDD. Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Brolan on November 16, 2006, 05:46:47 PM Quick inventory update. My local Walmart had 12 360s last year for the launch, this year it only has 6 PS3s.
If this ratio holds up any PS3 is going to be worth gold. Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Signe on November 16, 2006, 08:49:41 PM Not sure that it matters, but my GS got in the PS3 demo unit today. It was DOA. It will not run any discs inserted, or run the demos stored on the HDD. I don't know what any of this means. :| Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Strazos on November 16, 2006, 08:51:08 PM You kidder you.
When in doubt, make Righ translate. That's what you keep him around for...right? Title: Random PS3 Factoids Post by: Quinton on November 16, 2006, 09:46:45 PM I imported a 20GB unit from play-asia, because I am insane -- though after finding that bundles are going for $1400 from walmart, etc, maybe importing actually is cheaper!
Things I have learned: - It looks beautiful on my samsung 720p DLP TV - It refuses to display HDMI->DVI on a Dell 2405 24" flatpanel - It does display HDMI->DVI on a Dell 2407 24" flatpanel (has HDCP -- what gives, I thought only bluray content was supposed to care about that) - PS2 content seems to output at 480p, leaving me to the mercy of the craptacular scaling in the samsung TV (hence, ps2 content seems to for some weird reason look better on a ps2 w/ component) - You can (as of tonight) create a US playstation online account and get at the online store dealie (I'm downloading the 895MB Resistance demo at the moment) - PS3 will rip CDs to mp3/aac and let you copy the ripped music to USB storage devices - PS3 will let you copy PS2 savegames to USB storage devices - The OtherOS installer (needed to install PPC64 Linux) is not available yet, but assorted docs and kernel patches are - Haven't tried any full PS3 full games yet, since it's cheaper to buy locally than import, so I'm waiting until tomorrow to buy any game software. I expect games will be pretty easy to come by (In Japan, reportedly 0.98 games were sold per PS3 sold...) From schild's list 'o gaming goodness, I am looking forward to FFXIII, SMT4, flOw, and R&C: Next. Quote The only thing on that list that looks even remotely exciting is the list of JRPGs and frankly, I'm getting to a point where this racist "only publish them on a Japanese console" shit is pissing me off. Developing for the dominant console in their home market and the platform controlled by the company that owns something like 70% of the console game market is "racist"? Sounds like good business sense to me. Is developing for windows instead of Mac "racist" or is it just making the decision to go after 95% of PC users vs 5%? - Q Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: schild on November 16, 2006, 09:57:04 PM Link to signup? I can't find it for some reason.
Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Quinton on November 16, 2006, 10:04:26 PM Link to signup? I can't find it for some reason. I meant that you could create an account using the PS3. When I got my jp ps3 on tuesday, account creation was only available in Japanese and you could only choose Japan as your location, even if you set the console language setting to English. I'm not sure how the interwebs version works. I'd heard that they would be enabling web based account creation on the 17th, but no specifics (or URLs). - Q Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Strazos on November 16, 2006, 10:09:40 PM Sony controls 70% of the console market? Or did you mean only in Japan?
Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Quinton on November 16, 2006, 10:17:07 PM Sony controls 70% of the console market? Or did you mean only in Japan? I was trying to find some numbers for this stuff earlier today when a friend was insisting that xbox360 would render sony obsolete next year or something... I can't find the exact article I found earlier, but this one (which predicts xbox360 victory in 2011) seems to believe that ps2 holds 69% market share today: http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=11718 If someone has a good source for decent hard numbers on console installed base, etc, I'd love to see it. My search skills are not strong, it seems. - Q Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Strazos on November 16, 2006, 10:20:48 PM What about console overlap? ie: How do they count people who own multiple consoles? How are they arriving at Any of their numbers?
Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Quinton on November 16, 2006, 10:31:07 PM What about console overlap? ie: How do they count people who own multiple consoles? How are they arriving at Any of their numbers? Yeah -- I've seen a number of articles like this and never any indication of where the data's from. I'd love to see some more extensive breakdown of things. I'm pretty sure that at 105 million (last I heard), there are far more PS2s out there than xbox and gamecubes, but exactly how much of a margin they have, hell if I know. Anyway, ignoring the 70% thing, my point was that (to the best of my knowledge), PS2 is the dominant console system and I suspect business decisions are a bigger factor than "racism" or nationalism or whatnot, when Japanese gamesdev shops decide what hardware they're going to target. Personally, I think for all the "PS3 is more expensive to develop for" claims, the PPE+7xSPE+GPU architecture has some serious wins compared to the 3xPPE+GPU architecture of the 360. Scheduling more discrete tasks to more specialized cores rather than just doing the SMP thing across identical cores appeals to me though -- and I'm an embedded systems and OS engineer, not a gamesdev guy, so my perspective is probably a bit different. Microsoft does win on tools, hands down, from what I hear from friends in the industry. - Q Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: WindupAtheist on November 16, 2006, 11:21:13 PM I strongly suspect the term "market share" in this context simply refers to PS2 sales as a percentage of total console sales.
Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Triforcer on November 17, 2006, 07:39:13 AM I repeat my assertion from a few months ago that the Wii will either be a flop of virtual-boy esque proportions, losing most of Nintendo's remaining 15-17% marketshare, or will explode in a burst of WoWesque success and will surpass the PS3. I just don't seem them standing at current market share in either case.
P.S. Most of the early newspaper articles I've read have been high on the Wii and cool toward the PS3. This: http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/living/16027982.htm is a typical example of the sort of thing I have been seeing. Still, pundits playing for a few hours is one thing, and the public's LONG-TERM reaction to the console is another. Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: OcellotJenkins on November 17, 2006, 07:57:32 AM Still, pundits playing for a few hours is one thing, and the public's LONG-TERM reaction to the console is another. This is precisely why I canceled my pre-order. There is a significant chance that the Wii will be a novelty machine that provides good entertainment for a few weeks then collects dust with the other unplayed consoles in my living room. I want to believe otherwise and hope it gets wildy good reviews months from now so I can feel good about the purchase. Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Etro on November 17, 2006, 08:37:53 AM Sorry, just to add:
A good reason not to buy a ps3 on launch (http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/11/17/man_shot_in_ps3_queue/) Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: vex on November 17, 2006, 08:46:38 AM Sorry, just to add: A good reason not to buy a ps3 on launch (http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/11/17/man_shot_in_ps3_queue/) Damn queuers. Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Triforcer on November 17, 2006, 08:56:39 AM http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/17/edwards.ps3.ap/index.html
Will PS3gate destroy his chances in 08? Discuss. Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: HaemishM on November 17, 2006, 09:17:04 AM Wow, slow fucking news day.
The Wii is a 2- or 3-year cycle machine. By Christmas 2009, Nintendo will have a new HD-heavy system with better motion control than any PS3 games out there. Just like the X-Box 1 wasn't the real competition to Sony, the Wii is not meant to be the PS3's competition. It is a transitional pave the way machine. Even if the Wii flops badly, Nintendo will survive for 2 reasons. 1) Every Wii sold is profit and 2) the DS/GBA owns the handheld market hands down. Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: Merusk on November 17, 2006, 09:24:30 AM I'm considering just painting a big fucking "N" on my garage door. The daughter wants a DS (to play Nintendogs) and I think "Santa's" going to bring a Wii to put under the tree. The cube's seen more action in the last 2 months than the PS2 has the entire time we've owned it. Hell, most of the time on the PS2's life has been FF games. If it weren't for those I dobut we'd even own it.
What's my motivation to drop $300-$600 on some variant of the other two machines (particularly when the HDtv isn't planned to be bought for 3-5 years) again? Title: Re: Random PS3 Factoids Post by: Riggswolfe on November 17, 2006, 10:01:15 AM Quote The only thing on that list that looks even remotely exciting is the list of JRPGs and frankly, I'm getting to a point where this racist "only publish them on a Japanese console" shit is pissing me off. Developing for the dominant console in their home market and the platform controlled by the company that owns something like 70% of the console game market is "racist"? Sounds like good business sense to me. Is developing for windows instead of Mac "racist" or is it just making the decision to go after 95% of PC users vs 5%? - Q It is racist because of the reason that the Playstation is the dominant console in Japan. It has nothing to do with quality. Sony could put a turd in a box and call it the PS4 and it would still outsell any American made console. You know it. I know it. Everyone knows it. *clears throat* http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=8639.0 (http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=8639.0) Need I say I told you so? Title: Re: As if Sony could not do any worse... Post by: OcellotJenkins on November 17, 2006, 11:22:21 AM I will readily admit that I am buying this on Day 1 for Resistance, Ridge Racer 7, Genji 2, Gundam (seriously, dead seriously - and I don't even like Gundam... just looks FUN) and Blu-Ray discs. Gundam? (http://www.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3155336) Let us know how that one works out. Title: Re: Random PS3 Factoids Post by: Sairon on November 17, 2006, 11:47:18 AM Quote The only thing on that list that looks even remotely exciting is the list of JRPGs and frankly, I'm getting to a point where this racist "only publish them on a Japanese console" shit is pissing me off. Developing for the dominant console in their home market and the platform controlled by the company that owns something like 70% of the console game market is "racist"? Sounds like good business sense to me. Is developing for windows instead of Mac "racist" or is it just making the decision to go after 95% of PC users vs 5%? - Q It is racist because of the reason that the Playstation is the dominant console in Japan. It has nothing to do with quality. Sony could put a turd in a box and call it the PS4 and it would still outsell any American made console. You know it. I know it. Everyone knows it. *clears throat* http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=8639.0 (http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=8639.0) Need I say I told you so? If you've played Japanese games and compared them to what the majority of the xbox games are like you could also find some hints. Also, where do you think the majority of xbox marketing is done? Not in japan I bet. The stereotype Japanese travels the world and copies western culture. Might not reflect reality though. Title: Re: Random PS3 Factoids Post by: Riggswolfe on November 17, 2006, 11:50:21 AM If you've played Japanese games and compared them to what the majority of the xbox games are like you could also find some hints. Also, where do you think the majority of xbox marketing is done? Not in japan I bet. The stereotype Japanese travels the world and copies western culture. Might not reflect reality though. Nationalism is perhaps a bit closer to what I was referring to than racism, at least as it is thought of in the United States. Or perhaps culturalism? In any case, I love the Japanese culture (the modern incarnation of it) but there are some aspects I'm not to fond of. (This racism/nationalism/culturalism being one, and the whole effeminate male stereotype in anime and jrpgs being another.) If any of you get a chance, check out I think it's called Peter's List. He sells Japanese merchandise and some of it is quite cool. |