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Title: You can never start too early! Post by: Nebu on October 20, 2006, 10:35:15 PM I just ran across this (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&u=/ap/20061021/ap_on_re_us/scouts_piracy_patch_5) on Yahoo. It's basically a new merit badge introduced to the Boy Scouts of America to attempt to decrease music and movie piracy among youngsters. I'm not sure what to think about it at the moment, so I thought I'd open the floor to discussion.
Title: Re: You can never start too early! Post by: bhodi on October 20, 2006, 11:08:10 PM roflcopter.
Title: Re: You can never start too early! Post by: stray on October 20, 2006, 11:28:23 PM Piracy issues aside, it just sounds like a bunch of entertainment industry reps using their kids to push their agenda.
I doubt the Boy Scouts of Waco or Kalamazoo will give a shit. Title: Re: You can never start too early! Post by: Krakrok on October 21, 2006, 12:42:05 AM It's a merit "patch" and not a badge because it's an unofficial whatever put togather by the Los Angeles branch. The Hong Kong branch has a similar "patch" and program. They pay kids to submit links to pirated crap or some such. What next, a coke drinking merit "patch" shaped like a Coke logo? Learn why coke is better than water, where to buy it, and ways you can help other people to start drinking coke too! Title: Re: You can never start too early! Post by: schild on October 21, 2006, 03:31:02 PM I downloaded a copy of that image from the link you provided Nebu. Then I printed it out and made my own merit badge.
It was awesome. Title: Re: You can never start too early! Post by: Oban on October 21, 2006, 03:45:11 PM I downloaded a copy of that image from the link you provided Nebu. Then I printed it out and made my own merit badge. It was awesome. Somewhere in America, an MPAA copyright attorney's head just exploded. Title: Re: You can never start too early! Post by: Yegolev on October 22, 2006, 12:07:35 AM The guy in my office that supplies me with burns of TV shows I missed is a Scout leader.
Title: Re: You can never start too early! Post by: schild on October 22, 2006, 01:20:34 AM The guy in my office that supplies me with burns of TV shows I missed is a Scout leader. SOMEONE ISN'T GETTING A BADGE. Title: Re: You can never start too early! Post by: Llava on October 22, 2006, 01:43:37 AM I'd like to view this curriculum. Maybe as a visual aid they spliced in bits of the South Park showing how Britney Spears couldn't afford the jumbo jet and had to settle for the regular jet, because of music piracy.
Title: Re: You can never start too early! Post by: climbjtree on October 22, 2006, 01:29:43 PM That kind of reminds me of... what was that book? 1984? That's the one where they've got the kids ratting out their parents and stuff?
Title: Re: You can never start too early! Post by: Righ on October 22, 2006, 09:16:07 PM 1944. Germany, not a book.
Title: Re: You can never start too early! Post by: Xerapis on October 22, 2006, 10:04:13 PM 2002. Equilibrium. A movie, not a book.
Snarkety-snark-snark. Title: Re: You can never start too early! Post by: Johny Cee on October 22, 2006, 10:12:28 PM It's a merit "patch" and not a badge because it's an unofficial whatever put togather by the Los Angeles branch. The Hong Kong branch has a similar "patch" and program. They pay kids to submit links to pirated crap or some such. What next, a coke drinking merit "patch" shaped like a Coke logo? Learn why coke is better than water, where to buy it, and ways you can help other people to start drinking coke too! Activity patch, which doesn't count for anything. Advancement is strictly through merit badges. The Boy Scouts do patches for virtually everything, which amount to nothing more than "teh shiny" to collect or put on your uniform. Camporees, summer camp, etc. Sales of patches are big for fundraising, and some kids/adults trade them. A Coke patch or anything else that's blatantly merchandising would never get off the ground. I'm not sure the Boy Scouts will even take gifts of product from soft drink manufacturers anymore, due to health concerns and negative PR. Cynical douchebags. :wink: (For the record, I served on the board of a Boy Scout council pre-merger, and now am a "member-at-large"/finance and fundraising guy for a very large Council in New York) Title: Re: You can never start too early! Post by: Engels on October 22, 2006, 10:19:04 PM anything else that's blatantly merchandising would never get off the ground. Quote "Working with the Boy Scouts of Los Angeles, we have a real opportunity to educate a new generation about how movies are made, why they are valuable,..." Dan Glickman, chairman of the Motion Picture Association of America, said in a statement Friday. Scouts will be instructed in the basics of copyright law and learn how to identify five types of copyrighted works The program is being introduced to the 52,000 Scouts in the Los Angeles area, with plans to offer it to other California councils early next year. The program will reach Scouts ages 6 to 21. Title: Re: You can never start too early! Post by: Johny Cee on October 22, 2006, 10:43:37 PM anything else that's blatantly merchandising would never get off the ground. Quote "Working with the Boy Scouts of Los Angeles, we have a real opportunity to educate a new generation about how movies are made, why they are valuable,..." Dan Glickman, chairman of the Motion Picture Association of America, said in a statement Friday. Scouts will be instructed in the basics of copyright law and learn how to identify five types of copyrighted works The program is being introduced to the 52,000 Scouts in the Los Angeles area, with plans to offer it to other California councils early next year. The program will reach Scouts ages 6 to 21. Link: http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Merchandising By definition, merchandising would need to push a particular brand or studio, or specific movie/television franchises. How would education on copyrights do that? If it was a Sony patch, or a Power Rangers patch, or whatever I could see potential problems. You have to identify how this is a direct means of inducing scouts to consume a specific product. If anything, this is a goodwill grab by the MPAA in an attempt to promote their views on piracy. Title: Re: You can never start too early! Post by: Righ on October 22, 2006, 11:00:38 PM If anything, this is a goodwill grab by the MPAA in an attempt to promote their views on piracy. Pirate (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/bigphotos/images/060706-modern-pirates_big.jpg) Not a pirate (http://212.25.248.194/originals/music-downloading.jpg) but she could be 14 Title: Re: You can never start too early! Post by: XboxGod on October 23, 2006, 01:46:49 AM 1944. Germany, not a book. Agreed, but at least this wasn't government sponsored. Time to move to Canada anyone? Title: Re: You can never start too early! Post by: Llava on October 23, 2006, 07:22:37 AM Canada's a sucker's bet. It'll be the first to go.
I'm planning on Australia. Title: Re: You can never start too early! Post by: Lum on October 23, 2006, 07:58:24 AM That kind of reminds me of... what was that book? 1984? That's the one where they've got the kids ratting out their parents and stuff? Righ has the approximate time period, but the wrong dictatorship. See: Pavlik Morozov (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavlik_Morozov). (http://www.gatsugatsu.com/wp-content/downloadingcommunism.jpg) Title: Re: You can never start too early! Post by: HaemishM on October 23, 2006, 08:10:38 AM It's a merit "patch" and not a badge because it's an unofficial whatever put togather by the Los Angeles branch. The Hong Kong branch has a similar "patch" and program. They pay kids to submit links to pirated crap or some such. What next, a coke drinking merit "patch" shaped like a Coke logo? Learn why coke is better than water, where to buy it, and ways you can help other people to start drinking coke too! Activity patch, which doesn't count for anything. Advancement is strictly through merit badges. So it's a faction grind? Title: Re: You can never start too early! Post by: Lantyssa on October 23, 2006, 08:18:02 AM Not a pirate Not a Boy Scout, either.(http://212.25.248.194/originals/music-downloading.jpg) but she could be 14 Title: Re: You can never start too early! Post by: Lum on October 23, 2006, 09:14:15 AM Clearly, she is ninja.
Title: Re: You can never start too early! Post by: NiX on October 23, 2006, 12:03:15 PM Canada's a sucker's bet. It'll be the first to go. Not with our artists actively fighting the Canadian version of the RIAA. Pretty hard to crush something when the people making you money aren't on board with your ideas.Title: Re: You can never start too early! Post by: Llava on October 23, 2006, 12:28:37 PM I mean it'll be the first one to go like Czechoslovakia was the first one to go.
Title: Re: You can never start too early! Post by: Lum on October 23, 2006, 01:35:06 PM Well you know, if Canada weren't so hostile to the US minority groups on the border this wouldn't be an issue.
Canada: the United States' last territorial demand in North America. (Except for Mexico.) Title: Re: You can never start too early! Post by: Xanthippe on October 23, 2006, 01:48:13 PM This is what I had my kids watch. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=Yz-grdpKVqg) Same idea.
Title: Re: You can never start too early! Post by: Righ on October 23, 2006, 02:16:27 PM Do you have a link to a lossless torrent, guitar tab and lyrics for that please?
Title: Re: You can never start too early! Post by: XboxGod on October 23, 2006, 03:30:11 PM This is what I had my kids watch. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=Yz-grdpKVqg) Same idea. Awesome song, Weird Al rocks. Title: Re: You can never start too early! Post by: Yegolev on October 25, 2006, 10:28:51 AM Activity patch, which doesn't count for anything. Advancement is strictly through merit badges. So it's a faction grind? In Boy Scouts 2142, they switch to pins and use badges for adverts. Title: Re: You can never start too early! Post by: Soln on October 25, 2006, 11:24:16 AM Well you know, if Canada weren't so hostile to the US minority groups on the border this wouldn't be an issue. Canada: the United States' last territorial demand in North America. (Except for Mexico.) you can have Mexico -- we'll be Free Trading With Russia and hoard all the fresh water and uranium FTW |