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As mentioned in my other thread, I just got out of a screening of Superman Returns.  And lo an behold, what should the studios have sent us to attach on said print, but the newest trailer for Spiderman 3 (what DC would have to say about advertising Marvel's big movie on their print, I really have to wonder).

Anyhow, Spiderman 3:

- Sandman (we already knew this)
- The Symbiote is IN, Pretty much the ENTIRE trailer is focused around Parker and his battle with the mind altering effects / vicious nature of the Symbiote suit.  Hell, the trailer opens with the text (may have slightly misquoted, but you get the idea) "How long can any man battle the darkness, before he finds it within himself".  No idea on how the symbiote is introduced (im betting Jameson Junior on a space mission), but the weakness to sound is in (scene of him in a belltower fighting with the suit).  So this pretty much validates my theory that they are going to do the Symbiote backstory in one movie and likely schedule Venom as the tour-de-force villian for Spidey 4.
- A Goblin makes an appearance: Im betting on young, mentally unstable and probably drunk / high Osbourne trying for vengeance for pops.

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnk

Awesome, after this nothing can stop a Wolverine/Gambit/Dazzler teamup against Venom and Carnage.

 :nda:

Fuck. Fuckity fuck fuck fuck fuck.

Teaser trailer now available here. (http://www.apple.com/trailers/sony_pictures/spider-man_3/)

And the trailer makes it look good.

Shit.

Shit.

Shit.


Dammit.

Yeah, that looked good.

Such eloquent expressions of emotions makes me weep.

Venom makes me weep.

Seriously, the costume saga was an ok story and fairly interesting.  Even, I suppose, the initial creation of Venom and the first fight was interesting.

What happened thereafter was a total joke that highlights one of the main weaknesses of Marvel.

But the film looks interesting.

Dammit.

The impression given by the noise in the press seems to be that the suit is the source of angst for this film and the villian for the next film.

Which suggests Brock is only being introduced as a normal guy in this film until maybe right at the end.

That has to be good news.


I might be just trying to rationise now, but Venom *could* be done well, I guess the shittiness of the comic story doesn't preclude changes for the film.

I've always had total faith in my Dunst-Powered Tobeyman overlord.

I'm sick and tired of the goblin shit though.

When you're tired of Goblin, you're tired of Spiderman.

Same as it ever was.

However, I still agree that Tobey is simply awesome as Peter Parker.  I really doubt anyone could do it better.  Althought Dunst needs to lay off the coke.  She's heading for death.

Kirsten Dunst sucks as Mary Jane.  Were I casting director for the Spidey movies I'd have snatched up Alicia Witt so fast it'd make your head spin.

Yeah, that's what makes it hurt the worst.

So is the blonde he's dancing with supposed to be Gwen Stacy or what?

...And Topher Grace is Eddie Brock?

I saw a clip from the film of a newspaper headline saying "GWEN STACY KILLED BY SPIDER-MAN", so I assume that's her.

They should have just dropped the Stacy bit and and have Harry throw Mary Jane off the Brooklyn Bridge. That would work.

Good call, Alicia Witt rules...or is better anyway.

That was my girlfriend's question after I gave her the rundown on the symbiote plot. She also thought the Sandman was odd casting. After the perfect villian casting in the first two, I'm wondering if it'll be a let-down, but I withhold judgement until I've seen it.

Perhaps it helps that I didn't know the actor that played the Sandman before, but :  The guy has consistently looked perfectly cast to me.  As long as he is able to sustain even a modicum of acting talent, it'll be fine.  Bear in mind that this guy is probably NOT going to have to handle the heavy-weight of the film in the same way as Goblin or Ock did.  He's a minor villain.

Church is a good actor, I'm sure he'll handle the role just fine.  He played a far different role than Lowell in Ned & Stacy and surprised me (even though the show didn't last long.)  He was also in Sideways if you ferin'ers want to check-out one of his more recent jobs.

 He was also in Tombstone, which most people seem to forget (including me until I IMDB'd him)  He's far less 'wtf' than Topher Grace as Brock.  Not because of Grace's physique, but because any time he tries to convey any kind of emotion it always comes out as a whiney screech. (Not just based on That 70's Show but also In Good Company which is the only other thing I've seen him in.)

If you are going by the Ultimate Spider-Man Brock, then it makes perfict sence. That brock was a whiney little punk.

Ah, ok then.  I've never seen Ultimate other than a few shots on the 'net.  I always figured that defense was being used for his physique, not his personality.

(http://hyperion2000.free.fr/Bios/EddieBrockJr.JPG)

Ultimate Eddie Brock.

That may be, but I thought they were both awesome in movie 2. The villains have left something to be desired, however I would not replace Kirsten Dunst. But I liked The Libertines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Libertines) so maybe I'm too forgiving of drugfuckedness.

Sideways was really great, I must admit.

Lowell surprises me all the time (he's no Antonio Scarpacci though!).

Sideways is Fight Club for people who are too good for Fight Club.  I hated it.

On that, Triforcer and I agree.

I have no idea what Triforcer means by that.

/shrug

Does he mean that it's "elitist" or something? If so, it's got Lowell and Paul Giamatti for crissakes!!! LOWELL. How the fuck can it be elitist?

Or does he mean that it's just another age crisis story (except Sideways deals with the 30's, I believe)? If so, then yeah....I guess.

That being said, I will say that I put off watching it for a long time, because of some suspicions (just like I did with Fight Club, now that someone mentions it).

Its not elitism exactly.  Remember how with Fight Club there was always the kid in the quad playing ultimate frisbee who insisted you didn't understand the movie on as many levels as he did?  If that kid grows up, has a wife and kids and buys a minivan and a nice house in the suburbs, Sideways is the movie he'd insist you don't understand on as many levels as he did.  Matrix/Fight Club/Sideways are the latest in a line of movies that hint at faux deepness just well enough for 15 year olds and various others fuckwits to pretend they have original thoughts.

Seriously.  Film shouldn't steal the thunder of the neocons.

Is there anything about which you DON'T have some sort of twisted chip on your shoulder?

He's Alex Keaton irl. What do you expect?


And to answer your question Triforcer, no, I don't remember the kid who played "Ultimate Frisbee". But just to be fair, if I had met him, I would have punched him in the nose and told him not to talk about Fight Club.

Just so you know, Ultimate Frisbee is a very large staple of ROTC PT sessions.  They play that shit ALOT.

That's because officers are pussies.

Now an enlisted man's game would be combat soccer.  Two nets, two teams, no rules.  That shit is fun.

So, like an Old Firm game then ?

Yes, but without a few tens of thousand people in the terraces who will translate the violence into bar stabbings.

Don't know what Old Firm is, but in combat soccer when I say no rules, I mean no rules.  Wanna grab the ball and run it in?  Fine.  Tackling?  Clotheslining someone?  Rabbit punches?  All kosher.  We've had many, many injuries due to that glorious game.

Yeah I loved it. I played rugby in college (flanker) but even that didnt compare to combat soccer.

We had a battalion combat soccer match.  We used 3 five-ton trucks to haul the casualties to the hospital.  We wore boots, utilities and flak jackets. 

My favorite part was when the Charlie company LT's decided that they wanted to play.  I organized the NCO wolfpack that removed them from the game.  The Battalion CO had to order the officers not to play after that.    :wink:  I think Charlie company had their own 5 ton. 

And y'all find this FUN!?

(http://www5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~rolling/My%20Pictures/icon11/hulk%20hogan20021.jpg)
HELL YES

(not me)

It's like Smeer the Queer, but for grownups.  Shit yes, it's fun.

Um, right.  Definately not my thing...

See, I'd actually watch World Cup if it was like this.

What makes me sigh is that yes, there was someone I went to college with who had that exact attitude about Fight Club.  Sans frisbee, but same sort of character you're getting at. 

Reactions from Comic-Con preview:


Semi-spoiler alert:

Actor Bruce Campbell, a Raimi-film regular, also makes an appearance in "Spider-Man 3," the director said. He'll play a new character, who fans believe will be the villain Mysterio.


Linky (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060724/ap_en_mo/comic_con_spider_man).

Shut UP, you cockslappers and for fuck's sake John, move out of your parents and lose some fucking weight, you fat shit.

Nora is a girls name.  What the fuck is a woman doing worshipping Venom ?  I thought women were meant to have more fucking sense and mature faster than blokes ?

Sure, it'll be a great film, but for fucks sake, STOP SLOBBING OVER VENOM.

"Venom should be in... " "They should have used Venom.." "It was OK, but I want to see Venom next time."

Random quotes I heard walking out of Spiderman 2.  Yes, folks, you'll get your fucking Venom and I hope you choke on it or he dies like a bitch.   Oh how I'll laugh.

They're just emulating their hero.  Er, villain.

I kinda like Venom. I think the *goblins suck.

I didn't like the Power Ranger Goblin suit. Wilem Defoe rocks though. The kid who plays Harry is a good actor....Maybe he can pull it off....If and when they ever make it to that point.


I like the idea of Venom, but I don't actually like Venom himself.

And by that I mean, I'm a big fan of the typical werewolf archetype (it's why I like the Hulk). Problem is, in this case, the werewolf suit sucks....So to speak.

If Raimi just focuses more on Eddie Brock though, it could be good.

***

Wtf am I saying? I'm going to like this flick no matter what.

Damn kids.

In my day,  all we got were *goblins and we liked it.

The other choices were guys with no super powers (Kraven) or guys with barely any super powers (Vulture).  I mean,  Vulture was a little old man!

Well....  at least it's not Paste Pot Pete.....

That was the whole point of Spidey in the old days. He wasn't a total badass like Thor or Iron Man. He was more Captain America. That's what made it funny when he teamed up with the FF, he was so completely out of his league.

Venom!
(http://www.eutk.net/past/black/pics/capitolo1%202.jpg)

What he said.

Also, because raimi 'gets' Spiderman, it probably doesn't matter which or how many super-villians are in Spiderman 3 anyhow.

Because the actual villian that matters is teh angst.

I foresee a film where Spiderman gets the suit, starts kicking ass, the kicking of ass goes too far, this pisses off MJ and Harry/Goblin draws attention to all-new-extra-violent-spiderman, Peter starts to rely on the suit too much, suit indirectly puts world at large + MJ in danger, Peter has to battle the suit in order to save world. Sandman is a backdrop to all the danger and whatnot - but ultimately secondary to teh Parker-angst.

Brock picks up suit 16 seconds before closing credits.

Fact is, most people like Venom.

He's my younger brother's favorite character.

You people are just too old to enjoy anything anymore.

If that was the case, I wouldn't be reading comics at all.

Fact is, most people like shitty corporate schlock music.

I'm just too old to enjoy music anymore, I guess.

Modern music.

It's all just thud thud thud.

Damn kids.

Fixed that for you.

Venom was great when he didn't speak and was just some black suit symbiote. All that other shit that got added was ultraviolent clownshoes thanks to Todd McFarlane.

Ask your younger brother why he likes Venom.

Go on.

Just so you know, at Comicon, Raimi confirmed that Venom would be a villian in the film (with peter actually fighting him), and that they pretty much tie up all the story stuff they have set up.  So I'm thinking its not going to be "Oh noes!  Eddie Brock is Venom now" then fade to black ending.

It's great to see some comic franchizes maintaining their stride on the screen (superman, batman, x-men, spiderman).  It bolds well for more efforts in future.

Look forward to this flick.  And ya Toby is perfect casting in his role as Peter Parker.