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Just got out of a late night screening of FF4 and thought I would share my opinions:

Impressed me a lot more then I expected.  My two biggest fears (that Doom's origin would get totally screwed to hell and that the Thing would suck) were mostly for naught.  Yes, they tweaked Doom's origin a bit (if i recall, his armor was mystic in origin) but still kept the character pretty much entirely intact.  And the Thing was really well done.

All in all, the characters, dynamics of the FF4 "Family", and paceing / plot were very well put together.

I think I would have to rank it just a little bit under X-Men in terms of being a good Comic Book to Movie adaption.

Yeah, yeah, that's great - But the real question :  Did Jessica get them out at all ?

I do believe the movie is rated PG. More than that though, Fantastic Four has never been interesting enough to give Jessica a reason to get them out. No boobles in a superhero movie about uninteresting superheroes.

I may still go see it, if I find myself with nothing better to do. You're right about that though. Even the Sub-Mariner is cooler than the Fantastic 4. Maybe even Aqua Man.

The only thing redeemable about them is that their story is slightly tied in with the Surfer's.

Hmmm.  I'm reading the Ultimate FF at the moment (since I'm liking a lot of what the Ultimate arcs are doing) and I'm enjoying it a fair bit.

I think the most interesting thing about the FF is the team dynamic and how it works - or so it's always seemed to me.  I'm quite looking forward to seeing the flick and am glad to hear that it's not terrible.

(Oh, and Jessica will help.)

You will be pleased to know that she almost gets them out.  And that her F4 "costume" has a very nice neckline which doesent hurt either.
Classic scene of "we need to get past these police to find out whats going on at this disaster scene, and we just discovered you can turn invizible!" So turn invizible and sneak by them.......doh, forgot that your street civies dont work with the inviz powers, so get nekkid! (then she loses controll for a sec while in her bra/undies and has an "oops" moment with dozens of gawking onlookers :rock:  )

God Bless Hollywood.

This may remove the bad taste of WotW from my mouth.

I find if amusing that she wouldn't "get them out" for Sin City, but she wore a see-through shirt to the MTV movie awards of all things. I have many pictures of high quality Alba nipples. Maybe I'll put them up somehwere...

That was going to be part of my point, but really, it's not a winning argument to say 'we've already seen your goods, let's have some more please.'  Or, at least, it never works when I try it after being caught in the women's shower room.

You probably don't have to put those pictures up for our sake.  They're easy to find on the web.  And on my hard drives at home, at work and on the laptop.

er....

Actually, there have been some moments where Sue Storm would have ample reason to "get them out" in the FF continuity. At least once, she was either possessed or went kind of schizo and started wearing this really revealing, bikini-with-cape-and-high-collar type of gear, with spikes all over it to show she was TURNING EVAL! It was in John Byrne's run, and he liked him some busty women falling out of high collar stuff.

Of course, it was a minor blip on the whole continuity, so not worth putting in a movie just to see some Albas.

Albas are the only reason to see a fantastic four movie. Let's see.

1. A Guy who can set himself on Fire
2. Orange Rock Guy
3. A Guy Who can stretch but isn't in porn, exclusively.
4. A saucy mynx who's ability is to turn......invisible.

Yup, just another superhero group born out of Stan Lee's too much free time club.

FF gave us two great moments in Marvel history.  The Silver Surfer and Galactus, both of which far exceed the canadian with the claws.

Damn if they can bring the Surfer to the big screen, I will be all over that movie.  Besides, I really enjoy the FF, so I hope the movie works for me as well as it worked for SufD.

I never liked Wolverine much, but Silver Surfer and Galactus was a great moment in comic history. Unfortunately, the rest of FF has been a waste of ink, paper, and time.

She should of technically got them out (had them out?) in Sin City, her character in the comic is topless, which makes sense considering that she works at a strip club.

Getting a 21% currently on Rotten Tomatoes:

Reviews counted: 62
Fresh: 13  Rotten: 49

With choice quotes like "Who are these half-wit Hollywood clowns that keep hiring cleavage-candy actresses with no measurable talent to play laughably bespectacled scientists in action movies?" and  "An overinflated B-movie with no grace, no subtext, no wit, and featuring beefcake/cheesecake actors who look like they've been plucked from the soaps.", although SurfD obviously shoots down the "Real fans of the comics will probably be turned off by Fantastic Four's narrative limitations, while outsiders older than 12 are likely to quickly dismiss the Power Rangers-style goofery.".

Am I the only one who thinks "It's clobberin' time!" is a pretty lame catchphrase?

Sounds like what the critics are saying as they fire up their laptops after seeing F4.

I enjoyed Ebert's review of it (http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050707/REVIEWS/507070301).


In case you don't want to read it all, he gave it one star.

Never read the comics, but have you seen Justice League?  Aquaman is a militant, badass, King of Atlantis with a gigantic hook for a hand.

(http://www.tvsquad.com/images/2005/03/buster.jpg)




This guy is a superhero?

FF were cool when they started out. The old issues are hilarious, especially the way the Invisible Girl was written as a moody female - like the time she turned invisible and hid pouting because nobody noticed her new haircut.

And look, we all know women who would do that too if they could.

The jury is out whether your are unique or in need of therapy  :-D


Quoted for emphasis  8-)

The way they explain that in the movie is priceless.  "Look what the guys in marketing came up with"

Ah yes the "remade" Peter David Aquaman. Peter David was one of my favorite comic book writers back when I was still reading them. I liked his Hulk as well.

I was just "meh" about it.  It wasn't horrible, certainly not as bad as the gestalt at rottentomatoes.com seems to think.  But it just lacked ... something.  For the entire time, I felt like it was a movie that was waiting to be better.

I liked what they did with the storylines.  FF4 is a good example of how to adapt a literary medium (yes, I consider comic books to be literature, deal with it) to the compressed timeframes of a movie.  The essentials of all the characters are there, even if the details are fudged.

Beyond that, though, I just can't see why this movie was made.  It wasn't any better than the comics, and I'm an FF4 fan from way back.  So, sure it wasn't horrible, but Marvel's money might have been better spent doing longer runs of comics like the Ultimate FF4, which has better dialogue and story development.  It's a harmless vestigial organ on an otherwise functional body of work.

I've never seen Justice League, but what you describe sounds more like the Sub-Mariner (sans hook). If that's what they've done to Aquaman, then they've ripped off Namor (who isn't all that cool to begin with either).

Well they don't really need to throw any money at Ult. FF to keep it going since it was #15 on the chart for May.  It's not really in danger of being canceled or anything.  It actually ranked a few spots higher than JMS starting his run on the main FF title, which was Marvel's only big event that month.

They really need to do an Iron Man movie.  That would totally kick ass.

According to Avi Arad: (http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=36416&highlight=avi+arad+marvel+movies)


So apparently it's still in the works but it could take a bit of time.

That could be so cool, but could so easilly turn to utter shit. I hope and pray, but expect the worst.

FF - a comic book on screen.  Literally.  Poor dialogue, plot and the plausbility a 7 year old would believe.  I have an imagination - but some effort to make things rational would be appreciated.  I doubt the plot in the film would even be a passable graphic novel.

Iron Man?

Dunno.  I love the comic book, but in translating it to the screen to make it "realistic" you would be using elements already employed by other franchises - e.g. Batman has armor instead of tights to make what he does more plausbile.  I think this diminishes the appeal of Iron Man as this concept has been used.  He likely won't be Red and Yellow - so a dark color for his armor might be likely.  Your choices are "campy" or "Batman's armorsmith".

Good execution can solve almost any short coming.  But the concept behind Iron Man on paper for the mainstream is going to look recycled.  A shit storm commeth.

You want to know the three best comic book movies of all-time?

1 - Hellboy
2 - Blade
3 - The Crow

Fuck all this Fantastic Iron blah blah blah faggotry.

Even though Nicolas Cage is in it, I have high hopes for Ghost Rider since it loosely follows the 70's comic storyline.

The Crow is the only one I'd agree with you on.  I love the Hellboy comics, but the movie was average.  They did a great job with the casting, but they tried to cram bits and pieces from almost every Hellboy mini into the script AND tacked on the relationship thing between Hellboy and Liz.  Blade was good, but not in the top 3.

Spoken like someone who hasn't read a comic book ever. They range from shitty to better than almost any other entertainment medium. It all depends on various factors, writers, inkers, if management forces a storyline on the writer, etc.

She didn't wear a see-through shirt to the MTV awards, she made the mistake of wearing a blouse with material that flash photography illuminated a bit more than she liked. Same thing happened to Kerry's daughter at Cannes, if I recall correctly.

Pffft. Technicalities. Famous titties are famous titties are famous titties.

Unless they are Tara's. :cry:

I thought Kerry's daughter's mistake was the choice of her underwear.

Delaying Fantastic Four a week to avoid War of the Worlds pays off big time for Fox:

'Fantastic Four' Snaps Hollywood Slump (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050710/ap_en_mo/box_office)

Assuming the $56 million holds up tomorrow that's better than Batman Begins did on it's opening weekend ($48.7 million) though BB opened on a Wednesday so you can't really make a direct comparison.

You mean there are variables?

Jesus you are a pundit.

Don't you think by now people would know this could happen? I mean really, if you're smart and its a sheer fabric, either wear a strapless bra or take some shots of it at home first. I guess I'm talking about Alba though, and she doesn't strike me as rocket science material.

I like Ebert.

I liked this paragraph in particular.


He's just as sick of it as we are.

Listen up, Hollywood.  There is NO EXCUSE for these shitty superhero movies.  THEY CAN BE DONE WELL.  FIGURE IT OUT.

I generally like Eberts written reviews, I disagree with him frequently but I can at least see his reasoning unlike with a lot of critics.  He's a fan of action movies and will often give an action movie 2.5/3 stars just because it had a single good idea or well done scene in it, which for an action movie makes it worth seeing.

I read eberts reviews but you really have to pay attention to what he is saying. Some times he will like a movie for inexplicable reasons such as he really liked the phantom because it was "colorfull".

The one thing I do like about his reviews is he usually goes into enough detail so you can tell if you probably would like the film or if he is just having one of those weird days.

kaid

Wolverine is the most overused, trite, badly-written, over-exposed, stupid fucking clown shoes of a character in comics today. He is fucking stupid. I would like to stab in the face the person who thought it would be a good idea to put him in the Avengers in addition to being in all the X-Men books AND his own solo book. NO CHARACTER NEEDS THAT MUCH EXPOSURE, especially one as one-dimensional as Wolverine.

As for best comic movies, I'll agree on the Crow, and thought Hellboy was good. But X2, Spider-Man 2, Batman Begins and Sin City are easily the best ever done, each for different reasons.

Hey, don't forget Ghost World.

Or does that count?

Never read the comic or saw the movie, so no clue.

Saw the movie yesterday with my boy.  I liked it.  The movie is not setup as an adult comic book movie, but for the kids, like I was expecting.  I enjoyed the hell out of Ben Grimm and Johnny Storm.  Doom was alright, but nothing overly wow.  If Batman had lost the handy cam for the fighting, I would rank it higher than F4, but right now I like F4 better.  The movie is not Sin City, but then it was never aiming at that mark.  I like it.  Obviously I will be in the minority with the Ebert crowd, but oh fucking well.

You would like this book then Schild.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0871359448/qid=1121106864/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_ur_1/104-8503495-0839905?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

Netflix it when you get a chance then. Scarlett Johansson, Buscemi....Directed by Terry Zwigoff (who did that crazy R. Crumb documentary). Great flick. Daniel Clowes wrote the comic (if you're familiar with Fantagraphics type stuff, then that's his thing).

For Ironwood:

http://people.freenet.de/digiuser/S/digi_S853_Jessica_Alba.jpg

Not pr0n.

Oh, can I ask why we're referring to it as the FF4?
Where's the second F coming from if we're throwing in the 4 at the end?

I liked Blade 2 (3 sucked, the first one was okay except for that Blood God shit).  I'm tempted to say TMNT was good except I haven't watched it in a long time.  Going throught this list (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_movies_based_on_comic_books) though I'm reminded of a lot more crap than good.  The amount of times I saw Howard the Duck used on cable caused me brain damage as a youth (when I didn't know better than to watch it).

I wondered how long it would take before someone noticed that.

Arg.  My Daughter, My Ducets.

Thanks man.

People did the same dumb thing with Independence Day -> ID4.

People are dumb. Case closed.