Title: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: schild on April 27, 2005, 06:23:22 PM Shamelessly stolen from Slashdot:
Quote "Cube.IGN is reporting that Brooke Burgess (of Broken Saints) has let the proverbial cat out of the bag concerning Nintendo's new Revolution console. The big secret (assuming the rumors are true)? 3D projection." From the article: "At the core of the theory sits how Revolution will display games: through a form of real-time 3D projection. That's right folks, along the lines of a classic 50s monster movie. Nintendo itself has stated that what it plans to use on Revolution isn't all that unique, only that it has never been applied to videogames. Taking that into account, plus recent patents filed by Nintendo, and it doesn't sound all that far fetched, argues Burgess." As always, take this with a grain of salt. Seriously. I'm not all that much rooting for Nintendo because I know, given the life of any Nintendo system, they won't make more than 10 games that say "buy me" when I'm in a store. But comeon. Are they this stupid? It's just not possible. IT'S UNPOSSIBLE. Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: Fabricated on April 27, 2005, 10:32:18 PM Awesome, if it's similar to most 3d projection techniques, this will be the first console since the virtual boy that I can't play, since I only have one functioning eye!
Who do I make the check out to? Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: HaemishM on April 28, 2005, 08:34:25 AM The Virtual Cube?
I want what they are smoking over there. Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: Yegolev on April 28, 2005, 09:40:30 AM I'm sorry... I don't get it. You mean 3D glasses like MuppetVision 3D, or a chiropractor's wet dream like the Virutal Boy? Damn you, Nintendo! You aren't the same woman I married!
Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: Paelos on April 28, 2005, 10:26:08 AM I'm sorry... I don't get it. You mean 3D glasses like MuppetVision 3D, or a chiropractor's wet dream like the Virutal Boy? Damn you, Nintendo! You aren't the same woman I married! ZEE GOGGLES, ZEH DO NUTING! Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: Sky on April 29, 2005, 07:40:25 AM The Virtual Cube? [chong] Must be that 'nam weed, man. That stuff'll mess you up![/chong]I want what they are smoking over there. Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: Samprimary on April 30, 2005, 02:40:24 AM I guess they wanted to continue their ground-breaking innovation in the genre of 'game platforms that give you blurry vision and terrible headaches'. They still hold a near monopoly in that market compliments of Virtual Boy.
Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: Paelos on May 02, 2005, 09:53:47 AM Those who don't remember their own history are doomed to repeat it.
In 3D... Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: Jobu on May 02, 2005, 05:41:33 PM I figured this was as good a thread as any to insert this. Looks like Nintendo is finally getting away from kid's games, and branching out into mature themed titles.
http://www.touchdic.co.kr/ I have absolutely no idea what it's really supposed to be, but it made me giggle. (Yes, I still have the humor of an 8 year old) Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: schild on May 02, 2005, 05:52:54 PM Go to the "Showroom" on the touchdic webpage. They still have the "Nintendo Official" seal of approval that they got rid of in america in the early 90s. Amazing.
Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: Trippy on May 02, 2005, 08:04:59 PM I figured this was as good a thread as any to insert this. Looks like Nintendo is finally getting away from kid's games, and branching out into mature themed titles. Heh, that's actually a dictionary/translator as in Touch(screen)Dic(tionary), but I agree that's a funny name for a product.http://www.touchdic.co.kr/ I have absolutely no idea what it's really supposed to be, but it made me giggle. (Yes, I still have the humor of an 8 year old) Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: Yegolev on May 03, 2005, 08:23:22 AM I figured this was as good a thread as any to insert this. Looks like Nintendo is finally getting away from kid's games, and branching out into mature themed titles. http://www.touchdic.co.kr/ I sometimes wish I was Korean so that I would be eternally happy with stupid shit. The word "finally" is misused here, please see Eternal Darkness. I would probably say "too late" if I didn't love N so much. Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: Sky on May 03, 2005, 08:50:15 AM Er...Resident Evil, anyone? Nintendo does have a very small yet excellent selection of adult-themed titles (not pr0n, Hammy). You can't really fault Nintendo for not having a wider selection, because they don't have a wide selection of anything. But the few they have are good.
I just scored a complete guide to RE4, some kid printed it out but didn't want to pay for it. Thanks, kid! Now I gotta get RE4... Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: schild on May 03, 2005, 12:22:40 PM You really don't need a guide for RE4. In fact the ingame map after you buy the treasure map has too much information on it.
Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: HaemishM on May 03, 2005, 01:01:26 PM Yeah, the maps you buy are invaluable. There are few fights that require you to really know a "trick" to beat them. It's a great game with lots of different little mini-game type challenges thrown at you to keep things fresher than just "hallway with zombies SHOOT SHOOT!"
Game of the Year, IMO. Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: Sky on May 03, 2005, 01:04:37 PM Oh, I'd never seek one out. Just saying I got one for free is all.
Your feedback should shed some light on the mentality of the kids that come in to use the internet. Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: HaemishM on May 03, 2005, 01:16:11 PM Yeah, kids that NEED strategy guides to RE4 should really be forced to play ET on the Atari 2600.
FOR 36 STRAIGHT HOURS. Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: Furiously on May 04, 2005, 09:36:06 AM I borrowed a relatives 2600 a few months ago.
Needless to say - I returned in 4 days later. Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: AOFanboi on May 05, 2005, 01:57:17 AM Needless to say - I returned in 4 days later. You wouldn't have if it had any of the kick-ass Activision titles like River Raid or Pitfall.But then again, you can play those on a PS2 (http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/562585.asp?q=Activision%20Anthology) or GBA (http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/918819.asp?q=Activision%20Anthology) so why bother. Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: Sky on May 05, 2005, 01:33:46 PM I borrowed a relatives 2600 a few months ago. You guys and your subliminal hacker references. (http://www.2600.org/)Needless to say - I returned in 4 days later. Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: Alluvian on May 07, 2005, 02:35:22 PM 3d technology has really come a long way, but it won't work on a television set due to refresh rate issues. The problem with this is that the price will be silly or the screen will be TINY. Neither one is much fun.
I do love my 3d shutter glasses, the issue is that game programmers don't really program in 3d. The sort of do, but then do stupid things like putting the sky at a depth closer than distant mountains and objects in the sky like moons really close (that one from unreal tournament). Or they do the game in great 3d but then have no depth to the lightsources (GTA, NWN, countless other too many to mention). Or they can't figure out how to make a proper 3d crosshair (almost every shooter except a very few). If the 3d screen was a given when making the game these problems would all vanish. But you are still left with the problems of what kind of display they are using. Anything bought with the system will just jack up the price, and price is a huge selling point in the console wars. Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: AOFanboi on May 07, 2005, 02:46:28 PM Eurogamer reports 3D rumors are rubbish. (http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=58931)
However, moving up to E3, Nintendo will apparently launch the next incarnation in the Gameboy series (http://news.spong.com/detail/news.asp?prid=8657) (remember, the DS isn't one, it can just play GBA games). Could be the reason they will wait with the Revolution, whatever that "revolution" aspect is. Even though it apparently isn't 3D goggles. Maybe a GBP (GameBoy Palm) running PalmOS which Nintendo has licensed is waiting in the wings? Plz be, my Palm Vx is getting old. Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: Trippy on May 07, 2005, 07:44:52 PM Eurogamer reports 3D rumors are rubbish. (http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=58931) The latest rumor is that it'll have some sort of force-sensitive controller and voice control:http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05/06/news_6123850.html Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: schild on May 07, 2005, 07:47:51 PM Whatever it is, it'll have Mario and not be near as good as the PS3 or Xbox 360. See, in the next war I have a goddamn good feeling that 3rd Party support will switch from a "choice" into a necessity. Online Gaming will become a huge deciding factor as well. Nintendo is going to fail miserably in both of those categories. Not because I want them to, but because it's inevitable.
Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: Trippy on May 07, 2005, 08:08:06 PM Online Gaming will become a huge deciding factor as well. Nintendo is going to fail miserably in both of those categories. Not because I want them to, but because it's inevitable. Yeah Nintendo's online "strategy" (or lack thereof) has puzzled me for a while since they are known for having the best party games so you would think that sort of multi-player game design experience would translate into cool, original, online games. And they don't even have Sony's excuse of not having a built-in hard drive since the memory card expansion capabilities on the GameCube are far greater than the PS2's (and at least an order of magnitude cheaper too) so while you wouldn't necessarily be able to download lots of content (extra maps and stuff) you would still have plenty of room for saving profiles and extras.Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: schild on May 07, 2005, 08:10:01 PM Both Nintendo and Sony got creamed on the memory portion of the system by Microsoft. They did it the right way, though they should have made the system harder to mod. Other than that, harddrives should be an option at launch on all 3 systems. If they aren't, shame on him/them.
Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: Llava on May 08, 2005, 01:08:06 AM This could be cool....
if they did it like this: (http://www.pangolin.com/images/LeiaAndLuke-214.jpg) But I kinda doubt it will be like that. Just a bit. Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: schild on May 08, 2005, 01:12:48 AM (http://www.virtual-boy.org/images/gpinball3.gif)
Pinball is going to be AWESOME. Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: Alluvian on May 08, 2005, 09:51:12 AM This could be cool.... if they did it like this: (http://www.pangolin.com/images/LeiaAndLuke-214.jpg) But I kinda doubt it will be like that. Just a bit. We have had 3d displays that can do that for at least a decade. They have to bottom project, and the eye has to at least partially be looking down into the projector for the illusion to work, but they are out there. The problem is the same problem with the star wars holograms, they are not very crisp images and don't do well rendering anything other than a few objects. Those objects also have to be 100% visible in the viewing area or the 3d illusion breaks. So any kind of background or ground is impossible. They would also be prohibitively expensive if you made them any bigger than 'way too small'. Anyway, the 3d rumors were around last e3 as well, at that time there was thought that a 3d projector of sorts would be an accessory to the gamecube. They have a patent, so the rumors will be there for every new product they make. I bet the PS4 is going to have lots of rumors about it coming with headgear so you can control it with your brainwaves, because they have a patent on theoretical technology regarding that. Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: schild on May 08, 2005, 11:42:24 AM I bet the PS4 is going to have lots of rumors about it coming with headgear so you can control it with your brainwaves, because they have a patent on theoretical technology regarding that. Didn't they already have advertisements for that when the PS2 was coming out? I think it was subliminal for what they want in the PS9. Either that or they were just *that frickin cool.* Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: Llava on May 08, 2005, 12:39:14 PM This could be cool.... if they did it like this: (http://www.pangolin.com/images/LeiaAndLuke-214.jpg) But I kinda doubt it will be like that. Just a bit. We have had 3d displays that can do that for at least a decade. They have to bottom project, and the eye has to at least partially be looking down into the projector for the illusion to work, but they are out there. The problem is the same problem with the star wars holograms, they are not very crisp images and don't do well rendering anything other than a few objects. Those objects also have to be 100% visible in the viewing area or the 3d illusion breaks. So any kind of background or ground is impossible. They would also be prohibitively expensive if you made them any bigger than 'way too small'. Anyway, the 3d rumors were around last e3 as well, at that time there was thought that a 3d projector of sorts would be an accessory to the gamecube. They have a patent, so the rumors will be there for every new product they make. I bet the PS4 is going to have lots of rumors about it coming with headgear so you can control it with your brainwaves, because they have a patent on theoretical technology regarding that. Yeah, I know. Some arcade games are (or were, anyways... I haven't been to an arcade in a long time) done with this. Doesn't make it any more likely that it'll be done like that. Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: HaemishM on May 09, 2005, 08:54:46 AM I would like to think Nintendo has learned the error of their ways in regards to online services. Live has set a new bar in console games. It's all well and good to say that the new Nintendo system will launch with a free Internet service that's better than anything out there, but show me. That's a long walk to make.
And for games, it doesn't matter how good your online service is if you only have 7 3rd party developers making games. Nintendo still hasn't realized that the biggest stumbling block to the Gamecube wasn't the tech or the quality of games or the baby-sized controllers, it was the fact that even X-Box had a greater selection of games available. RE4 was one of the best games ever, but the PS2 has shown, more games, even if crappy, means more system sales. Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: AOFanboi on May 09, 2005, 09:51:36 AM The PS2 and XBox also made a few sales on the DVD playback ability, which is not an option at all on the 'Cube. Online gaming on the PS2 never really took off either - maybe that was what Nintendo looked at, not Microsoft's success which was largely Western in nature.
That said, the Nintendo DS last week (or the week before that?) sold as much as ALL other consoles COMBINED - in Japan. Fear the coming of Nintendogs/Puppy Times to your region. Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: Righ on May 09, 2005, 11:46:58 AM This could be cool.... if they did it like this: (http://www.pangolin.com/images/LeiaAndLuke-214.jpg) But I kinda doubt it will be like that. Just a bit. From the same site, boring words and shit: http://www.pangolin.com/resguide03b.htm Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: Jain Zar on May 09, 2005, 05:16:52 PM The PS2 and XBox also made a few sales on the DVD playback ability, which is not an option at all on the 'Cube. Online gaming on the PS2 never really took off either - maybe that was what Nintendo looked at, not Microsoft's success which was largely Western in nature. That said, the Nintendo DS last week (or the week before that?) sold as much as ALL other consoles COMBINED - in Japan. Fear the coming of Nintendogs/Puppy Times to your region. I use my X Box more for its solid DVD playback than I do as a game machine. PS2? Not so much since its playback kinda sucks. And there is nothing wrong with the Nintendo DS that couldn't be fixed by hitting whoever is setting up game design requirements for the thing on the head with an iron skillet a few dozen times. Pac Pix is qute the game. As to the Revolution? Ive heard rumors the whole controller is a touch screen thing like the DS. At the moment its all speculation. Sony is gonna play it safe, Microsoft will continue to push for Set Top Box/Online Crap You Can Do On a PC With Less Hassle and Money, and Nintendo will keep whoring their IP and doing the odd bugfuck bizarre thing and hope one of their wierder ideas manages to stick. Im afraid the best thing about X Box Live gaming was when I cancelled the service, unhooked the router, and got to put away a 12 foot plus spool of cable so my house doesn't look as ghetto. Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: Rodent on May 09, 2005, 05:56:37 PM As to the Revolution? Ive heard rumors the whole controller is a touch screen thing like the DS. At the moment its all speculation. I keep hearing it will not feature a touchscreen. And that would probably be a good thing, if the rumours of the Revolution being backwards compatible with the GC are true. Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: StGabe on May 09, 2005, 06:14:02 PM From what I hear, Nintendo is telling developers that they will be using the existing GameCube SDK for development ... which seems to indicate that a projection screen is out. Could be wrong though.
Gabe. Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: Margalis on May 09, 2005, 06:49:00 PM The original "rumor" was just one guy speculating.
Nintendo's online strategy is biased by the games they make. Party games are NOT the types of games that would be fun online. I would expect Nintendo to use online gaming much more in the next system. They have the capability and the Gamecube games that do use the online stuff work fine. But they often seem to act in somewhat contrary fashion. The Gamecube is a relative breeze to program for, there isn't any excuse for the 3rd party support. A lot of it stems from the SNES and N64 days of high licensing fees the high cost of manufacturing cartridges. IMO XBox is clearly the worst of the 3 systems today though. Nintendo has the occasional awesome Nintendo game and a bunch of exclusives, the PS2 has the largest volume of games - I'm not sure what the XBox has, I can't think of a single game on the XBox I'd want to play. I can see people being into Live but without Live there isn't a whole lot going for it. Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: Strazos on May 09, 2005, 06:52:32 PM IMO XBox is clearly the worst of the 3 systems today though. Nintendo has the occasional awesome Nintendo game and a bunch of exclusives, the PS2 has the largest volume of games - I'm not sure what the XBox has, I can't think of a single game on the XBox I'd want to play. Funny, I say the same about the PS2. Since when does Volume = Teh Bestest? Just sayin'. Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: Margalis on May 09, 2005, 10:04:29 PM IMO XBox is clearly the worst of the 3 systems today though. Nintendo has the occasional awesome Nintendo game and a bunch of exclusives, the PS2 has the largest volume of games - I'm not sure what the XBox has, I can't think of a single game on the XBox I'd want to play. Funny, I say the same about the PS2. Since when does Volume = Teh Bestest? Just sayin'. Well, I can think of a number of PS2 games that I would like to play. (And PS1 games) I really can't think of any for the XBox. I suppose a lot of it is a matter of taste. The PS2 has a lot of SRPG type of games, some RPGs, some 3D platformers, etc. There are a couple of XBox games that sound somewhat interesting but a lot of those come out for the PC later. I own an XBox solely for Street Fighter: AE with live support, because I was raised by Street Fighter machines as a child. The Gamecube actually has the most number of games I want to play. The "rental potential" is low though because after you get past those there isn't a lot left. But I've had a lot of fun with Mario Kart, F-Zero (I love me my F-Zero!), Zelda, Metroid, Eternal Darkness, ResEvil 4, etc. The Cube is totally lacking is some categories though. (Although Fire Emblem will help rememedy a small part of that) Part of it is that I don't have a lot of time to play games, so 3 killer games a year is fine for me. I'd have a really hard time listing 25 GC games I would ever want to touch, but I can list 10, and that's good enough for me. PS2 wins out as far as overall variety goes by a longshot though. All in all 3 systems is one too many. There just aren't enough exclusive games to go around. I'd like to see MS blow up because they really don't bring anything to the table. Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: Velorath on May 09, 2005, 10:07:45 PM Funny, I say the same about the PS2. Since when does Volume = Teh Bestest? Just sayin'. Well they do have God of War, and they've got Soul Calibur III coming up as well as Kingdom Hearts II, FFXII, and Dragon Quest VIII for the RPG fans. X-box on the other hand did recently have Jade Empire. Aside from Ninja Gaiden though, a lot of their exclusives do tend to end up on the PC later. Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: Strazos on May 10, 2005, 01:23:44 AM Not to bash anyone, but it's kind of funny...I can never think of a PS2 RPG I would actually like to try. Hell, I haven't liked a PS1/2 RPG since VII, and I only went through it 1.5 times.
Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: SurfD on May 10, 2005, 01:30:17 AM As an RPG fan, I have always seen the PS2 / PS1 as the way to go. I mean, look at it this way:
If you take ALL the RPG's made for the PS2 (and PS1 by backwards compatability inclusion), and rank them on a scale from 1 to 10, the total number of RPG's with a score of 9 or 10 available on PS2 would outnumber the total number of RPG's (or for that matter RPG like games) on both the XBox and Gamecube combined. That is why Volume > Teh Bestest when dealing with some things. I mean, sure there ARE a few RPG's I would be willing to purchase a Gamecube for, but when budget is tight, and you can only afford one system, the choice is fairly easy to make. Which would you rather have? A system with 5 good and 20 crappy games in your favourite genre, or one with 30 good games, and 200 crappy ones? Since a savvy consumer will manage to avoid the Crappy ones, you might as well go with the system that has the wider selection. Hell, there are more RPGs available on PS2 that I want to play then I have time OR money to actually finish. The same could not be said for the other systems. If I had a Cube or Xbox, I would probably have exhausted their entire library of worth playing games ages ago. Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: Megrim on May 10, 2005, 05:27:07 AM I suspect what Strazos is saying, is that while the PS2 has a goatload of RPGs available to play, most of them are of the Square/Enix-flavoured gameplay variety. Which is throughly disliked by a number of people (myself included). This inadvertently limits the choices somewhat.
- meg Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: Velorath on May 10, 2005, 06:29:56 AM I suspect what Strazos is saying, is that while the PS2 has a goatload of RPGs available to play, most of them are of the Square/Enix-flavoured gameplay variety. Which is throughly disliked by a number of people (myself included). This inadvertently limits the choices somewhat. Even so you've got more choices than the other systems. You've got Shadow Hearts: Covenant, Shining Tears, Growlanser: Generations, and even FullMetal Alchemist doesn't play like a typical Square game. Aside from Shadow Hearts I don't know first hand how good any of those games are, but there are options outside of typical Square/Enix style games. Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: HaemishM on May 10, 2005, 08:38:28 AM X-Box has the best versions of the sports games, IMO. That's it's real strength, as well as the ease of playing online as opposed to the PS2 and the lack of said online stuff on the GC. It also has a good deal of FPS games, which, unless you were raised on PC shooters, are the bizzomb. Note, I'm not talking about me, because I suck at FPS games on consoles, but Halo certainly sells a lot of copies.
For exclusive games, the KOTOR games (if you must get them at release), Jade Empire, Fable (IMO). I ultimately chose the X-Box over the PS2 because of better graphics (since I was getting it for sports games), and a built-in hard drive. I fucking hate memory cards. Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: Strazos on May 10, 2005, 10:20:26 AM I suspect what Strazos is saying, is that while the PS2 has a goatload of RPGs available to play, most of them are of the Square/Enix-flavoured gameplay variety. Which is throughly disliked by a number of people (myself included). This inadvertently limits the choices somewhat. - meg Thank you Megrim. :-) I usually take that opinion a step further and feel that the Vast Majority of console RPG's, for me, are not really RPG's; in many games, you are given yuor character and have very little control over their development, and the game is basically on rails. No thanks, I'll keep my BioWare gems, and continue to supply them with supplies for their money hats. And I agree with Haemish, HDD >>>> Memory Cards. I also like the (revamped) X-Box controls more than the PS controls. I will say this though....I still own 2 PSone memory cards and 2 games. What games? NHL '98 and Final Fantasy Tactics. Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: Jain Zar on May 10, 2005, 06:10:59 PM I usually take that opinion a step further and feel that the Vast Majority of console RPG's, for me, are not really RPG's; in many games, you are given yuor character and have very little control over their development, and the game is basically on rails. No thanks, I'll keep my BioWare gems, and continue to supply them with supplies for their money hats. And I agree with Haemish, HDD >>>> Memory Cards. I also like the (revamped) X-Box controls more than the PS controls. I agree with you almost 100 percent there. By and large I hate the Squenix styled RPGs. However I love strategy RPGs and Japan seems to be the only one willing to scratch that particular itch. Sure there is the odd Silent Storm for the PC, but if you want turn based strategy gaming, you pretty much have to look towards consoles with a heavy Japanese game bias. Though for RPGs of a more proper sort Jade Empire and both KOTORs nearly beat out the ENTIRE PS1/PS2 traditional RPG library released in the USA by their lonesomes. Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: Shockeye on May 14, 2005, 11:01:22 AM Quote from: Reuters Nintendo to launch new game console in 2006 (http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=756765) May 14, 2005 — TOKYO (Reuters) - Nintendo Co. will launch its new video game console sometime next year, missing the key 2005 holiday shopping season and putting it a step behind Microsoft Corp. in the battle for the next-generation game machine, the Nihon Keizai Shimbun reported on Saturday. The report comes two days after Microsoft announced its new console, called Xbox 360, will be in stores in time for the 2005 year-end shopping season, giving it a head-start on the competition if Sony Corp. and Nintendo don't introduce their new consoles until next year. The Nihon Keizai said it obtained the information from Nintendo on Friday, without citing sources. Nintendo has not officially set a date for its next generation console, code-named "Revolution," although a 2006 launch has been widely expected. Nintendo officials were not immediately available for comment. Based in the ancient Japan capital of Kyoto, Nintendo was the dominant brand in home video game consoles for much of the 1980s and early 1990s until Sony entered the market with its PlayStation and Microsoft later introduced its Xbox machine. Nintendo has said that Revolution will be ready for wireless Internet gaming and be backward-compatible with the current generation GameCube, which is now in third place in the console market behind Sony's PlayStation 2 (PS2) and the Xbox. The new console will be powered by a chip developed by IBM code-named "Broadway" and a graphics processor from ATI Technologies Inc. code-named "Hollywood." Revolution will use 12 cm optical discs and be about the size of three DVD cases stacked together, the Nihon Keizai said. Sony has not said when it will release its next-generation console, tentatively named PS3, although industry watchers generally expect it to hit stores sometime next year. Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft are expected to show off their next-generation gaming consoles to developers next week at the annual Electronics Entertainment Expo, or E3, as all three companies seek to entrench themselves deeper into living rooms with advanced computing, graphics and multimedia features. Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: HaemishM on May 16, 2005, 09:15:04 AM So Nintendo is sticking with its proprietary format for games, which means the system will NOT have DVD playback, and will have wireless Internet. The backwards compatibility is nice, other than maening it will fuck the system for having DVD playback, which is again, RETARDED.
No, DVD players are not expensive, and can be had for $40. But, when you are trying to fit all these electronic pieces in an entertainment center, having one less device is one less device. You'd think they'd get this. If you are looking at 3 consoles, the first thing you look at is games, then you look at features. This is missing a feature that is standard on the other two, which means it loses a checkmark in the gamer's mind. There aren't enough GC games to make the backwards compatibility mean much. Yes, Nintendo IS retarded. Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: Special J on May 16, 2005, 09:30:33 AM No, DVD players are not expensive, and can be had for $40. But, when you are trying to fit all these electronic pieces in an entertainment center, having one less device is one less device. You'd think they'd get this. If you are looking at 3 consoles, the first thing you look at is games, then you look at features. This is missing a feature that is standard on the other two, which means it loses a checkmark in the gamer's mind. There aren't enough GC games to make the backwards compatibility mean much. But you also look at price. Especially if you're mommy or daddy getting a system for little Billy. And what to do they care about DVD playback? They've already got the Wal-Mart $40 special. Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: HaemishM on May 16, 2005, 09:37:43 AM But you have to sell to the hardcore gamer first. The early adopter. Mom and Pop getting it for their kid are generally going to wait until Christmas, at which point if past history holds, both X-Box 360 AND PS3 will have a shitton more games on the shelves than the Revolution.
Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: schild on May 16, 2005, 09:40:26 AM Doesn't matter when the Revolution comes out. It won't have 1/4 of the games when the system dies 4-5 years from now as either one of the other systems. And Nintendo knows that, Christmas launch or not.
Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: ahoythematey on May 16, 2005, 09:43:13 AM http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05/13/news_6124449.html
Not sure if this belongs in useless news or not, this thread seems appropriate enough. Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: schild on May 16, 2005, 09:48:16 AM They keep adding shit on to the revolution. I heard it was playing DVDs the other day. And you know what flashed through my mind?
The Phantom. The Revolution is turning into the Dolphin more and more and more. Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: HaemishM on May 16, 2005, 09:55:38 AM Never mind then. Not playing DVD's is just a bad idea, when you are already down. Amazing that they saw this. It's also quite funny that the X-Box guy doesn't even consider them as a competitor.
Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: schild on May 16, 2005, 09:57:18 AM Nintendo isn't a competitor anymore. Even you bought the system solely as a supplemental resident evil 4 TV Adapter. My Gamecube sat unused for a year until RE4 came out. Well, except when my friend played Tales of Symphonia on it. I logged all of maybe 10 hours of Baten Kaitos. Bleh. I would like to finish it one day, but then there's 60 or so other games saying "Finish Me!" as well.
Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: ahoythematey on May 16, 2005, 10:07:25 AM Nintendo gives me Zelda, Metroid, and Mario. Seems like a fair trade for my dollars.
Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: Yegolev on May 16, 2005, 12:47:52 PM I will say this though....I still own 2 PSone memory cards and 2 games. What games? NHL '98 and Final Fantasy Tactics. You might like those PS2-only Nippon Ichi offerings, then, depending on what you like about FFT. Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: Yegolev on May 16, 2005, 12:53:33 PM There aren't enough GC games to make the backwards compatibility mean much. Yes, Nintendo IS retarded. I'd use the same rationale that you did regarding the DVD player. Just replace "DVD" with "GameCube disc" and you will see why I want me some backward-compatibility. It's mostly about space, although the texture smoothing that the PS2 does with Vagrant Story would be a nice feature in the Rev. I'll have to keep the Cube nearby, though, because I really doubt that the Rev will support the GCGBP... but it won't live in the "good" cabinet with the workhorse machines. Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: Margalis on May 16, 2005, 02:08:52 PM Playing DVDs is very important, because, you know, in this day and age most people don't have a DVD player already. Seriously, who gives a shit? I have THREE fucking DVD players already. I think it's very reasonable to assume that the owner of the Revolution will own a DVD player, PS2, PS3, XBox or XBox 360 as well.
Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: schild on May 16, 2005, 07:51:01 PM You're a geek. Joe Dumbass wants to replace his old console when he trades it into EB for the new console. Jesus, it's as if geeks think they are the only ones left sometimes.
Just remember the stupid redneck down the road and you'll understand why DVD is so goddamn important. He's lucky he ever got the Xbox plugged in in the first place. Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: Strazos on May 16, 2005, 09:06:02 PM Wait, he missed the Blue Light Special on the Sylvania DVD player at Wal-Mart for $40?
Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: AOFanboi on May 17, 2005, 12:16:34 AM Playing DVDs is very important, because, you know, in this day and age most people don't have a DVD player already. Seriously, who gives a shit? I have THREE fucking DVD players already. I think it's very reasonable to assume that the owner of the Revolution will own a DVD player, PS2, PS3, XBox or XBox 360 as well. But every console coming out will have DVD playback (Plus BD on the PS3), not including it is to make your console have one feature less than the competition. And that's not a good way to stay in business.Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: Triforcer on May 17, 2005, 04:45:17 AM Nintendo gives me Zelda, Metroid, and Mario. Seems like a fair trade for my dollars. As long as Nintendo keeps those three properties in an iron death-grip, they'll always get my money. You can never have too much Zelda. Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: Yegolev on May 17, 2005, 07:58:59 AM But every console coming out will have DVD playback (Plus BD on the PS3), not including it is to make your console have one feature less than the competition. And that's not a good way to stay in business. I agree with this since most people are not like me. The coveted 18-25 (or whatever) demographic might not already have a DVD player, but the real issue, IMO, is how many appliances do you want taking up space on your coffee table, especially appliances that you can't rest a bong/drink/ashtray on? How many separate inputs do you have on your $150 TV? Where do you put this shit during the party? Fewer machines mean fewer hassles. More hassle + small library + gay helmet = go back to making playing cards. I love Nintendo but I'm worried about their life choices. Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: WayAbvPar on May 17, 2005, 09:20:55 AM You're a geek. Joe Dumbass wants to replace his old console when he trades it into EB for the new console. Jesus, it's as if geeks think they are the only ones left sometimes. Just remember the stupid redneck down the road and you'll understand why DVD is so goddamn important. He's lucky he ever got the Xbox plugged in in the first place. Dear sweet Christ, I could tell you some horror stories from my days at Nintendo trying to help people hook up their NES boxes. The sheer ignorance, inability to follow simple instructions, and chimp-like vocabulary made baby Jesus cry. A lot. Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: voodoolily on May 17, 2005, 10:16:51 AM Nintendo gives me Zelda, Metroid, and Mario. Seems like a fair trade for my dollars. As long as Nintendo keeps those three properties in an iron death-grip, they'll always get my money. You can never have too much Zelda. A-fucking-men, kid. That is really the only kung fu they have, but it is very powerful monkey-style. If they just kept putting out a new Mario platform every year instead of trying to get ahead of the hardware curve, they would be wearing their money hats proudly and this thread wouldn't exist. Schild - you should suck it up and pick Baten Kaitos up again. The lull is brief. The worlds are stunning visually and in a class by themselves in originality. And who really, really gives a shit that the GC doesn't have DVD capabilities? Seriously, have you ever used your PS2 to play a DVD? Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: HaemishM on May 17, 2005, 10:21:28 AM And who really, really gives a shit that the GC doesn't have DVD capabilities? Seriously, have you ever used your PS2 to play a DVD? My X-Box is my primary living room DVD and whatnot. Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: voodoolily on May 17, 2005, 10:30:35 AM Amateur. You should be rockin' region free. That is, if you like watching foreign films that weren't translated by asswads.
Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: MrHat on May 17, 2005, 10:43:19 AM Amateur. You should be rockin' region free. That is, if you like watching foreign films that weren't translated by asswads. I like my foreign movies dubbed. Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: voodoolily on May 17, 2005, 10:47:44 AM Amateur. You should be rockin' region free. That is, if you like watching foreign films that weren't translated by asswads. I like my foreign movies dubbed. That's because you're a big, fat, engaged Chinese boy. Morricone ftw! Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: AOFanboi on May 17, 2005, 11:39:18 AM Amateur. You should be rockin' region free. That is, if you like watching foreign films that weren't translated by asswads. My PS2 becomes region free and can play DVDs over an RGB cable thanks to the magic of RegionX.Here's to hoping my future PS3 or Revolution will do the same. Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: Yegolev on May 17, 2005, 11:44:15 AM And who really, really gives a shit that the GC doesn't have DVD capabilities? Seriously, have you ever used your PS2 to play a DVD? I did in 2000, before I found this money hat, and before DVD players cost less than my mortgage payment. I don't give a shit now, but back then I would have. In such a situation, the 360 looks pretty good, but we don't know what any of these things are going to cost, do we? Well, other than knowing that the first one to announce a price will be the highest one... meaning the 360. Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: Azazel on May 27, 2005, 12:12:18 PM I went to the local shopping centre with multiplex to see Star Wars the other day. When we got out and were walking through the place, a music store had a special: Buy 4 DVDs and get a DVD player free. Sure it would have just been some cheap Chinese thing, but damned if the prices haven't come a long, long way down. And those Chinese cheapoes are always region-free, too. Despite what the boxes say.
Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: Yegolev on May 27, 2005, 01:44:28 PM Yep. I also noticed that Target had a big stack of those $37.95 DVD players, the brand escapes me but they may as well be called The Pirate's Choice.
Title: Re: Nintendo might just be retarded. Post by: Daydreamer on May 27, 2005, 01:49:32 PM Three cheers for Capitalism (http://www.samandfuzzy.com/archive.php?id=356)
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