f13.net

Might be a little premature, but since casting is going on and such I figured I'd throw this out here.  This is scheduled as PG-13, as much as I would like an R rating I think they will do fine.

So far we have:
Reynolds - Deadpool
Gina Carano - Angel Dust
T.J. Miller - probably as Weasel
Morena Baccarin - as the love interest, possibly Mercedes Wilson?

Also it seems that Colossus is being recast and will be playing the straight man to Deadpool.


Of course if you haven't seen it here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoXGsv9nsNs) is the vid that got the movie greenlit.

Colossus?  Well, his nigh-invulnerability will be an asset to any physical jokes.

I could absolutely see Colossus and Deadpool playing off each other yea, that's a good call.

It needs to be R.

And they need to have Posehn onboard.

IMO

Other than lots of blood, what would R give to Deadpool?

The comic isn't R rated at all, and PG-13 can still get away with a lot.  Oh also if you want a sequel you probably aren't going to get it with an R rating.

I hope I'm wrong, but my first thought is that I think they cast the wrong guy from Silicon Valley to play Weasel. Besides that, I like the thought of Colossus being in there and I'm still excited for a Deadpool movie.

There is a lot of violence that's PG-13 in comics, but R in movies because of what can and cannot be effectively elided. In Deadpool that particular game is key to punchlines. A solid director should be able to translate the ideas without necessarily cribbing the scenery, but there is a shortage of solid directors.

Given that one of Deadpool's defining attributes is his awareness of his status as a character in a comic book (and tendency to not just break the fourth wall, but actually climb through it into his own meta-state existence), it wouldn't surprise me if they solve this by him addressing the audience with smart-ass comments about the MPAA and Hollywood's bizarre attitudes about violence and gore, the first time there should be buckets of blood spraying around, but isn't.

--Dave

I can't stand Reynolds, but this just might work.

Reynolds smarmy jerk act annoys me in pretty much every single thing he is in, but it is like perfect for this.

Yup to play deadpool being a smarmy annoying jack ass is a big plus.

I'm still hoping the new Deadpool mentions how horrible his character was in X-Men Origins.

first full (cheesecake) photo of the suit.

https://twitter.com/VancityReynolds/status/581485601674792960

Pretty much perfect.

Spot on.

For the lazy...

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CBHaEuLVIAAj5Lz.jpg:large)

Slim! Too used to comic book proportions. This movie is must-see.

Although it's April 1st this isn't a joke.  Ryan Reynolds confirmed that Deadpool will be Rated R.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUEkqZxLyrg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUEkqZxLyrg)

If this is an april fool's joke....shit gon burn.

April's Fools or not... still awesome.

(https://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/Jdzc1kbrzPwj6eE_LJL58xNVnd4=/14x0:617x402/800x536/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/46066710/2755085300000578-3028019-image-a-7_1428358477015.0.0.jpg)

 :awesome_for_real:

This must mean they are adding CGI movements to the eyes. RIGHT?

Compare those eyes to the ones in the fireplace photo. Deadpool's comic book eyes would functionally blind the actor, making the blocking of scenes with him (much less stunts) a real trial. This way he (and his stunt doubles) have some small degree of vision and the character can emote using his eyes to a degree that real full-face masks don't allow. It's smart and subtle and I'm quite pleased.

The human cartoon gets to be a human cartoon.

They don't need the markers at the tops to fill in the eye holes, though. So there's something else going on as well.

The CGI eyeholes might end up being animated to change in size to add cartoony emotive effects, like pxib was saying.  Marking out that black area gives the animators that entire area to work with and then makes it easy to composite that onto the shot.

Black is also a color you notice subtle differences between a lot more than anything but green, too.  As such you'd want to fill the entire area consistently vs. the nightmare of color matching around the eyes every frame due to light variances.

Wait, I had something for this.

(http://i.imgur.com/wkvSoE8.png)

Deadpools expressions can vary wildly... not just "frowning", etc.

Yeah, Deadpool's mask pretty much behaves like it's fused to his face in the comics: the black areas scrunch down and up with his eyebrow positions and you can often make out his mouth's expression as well.  So they're definitely gonna hafta CGI the hell out of his face to make that work, since no fabric in the history of ever works that way.

I would have thought after the proof of concept that it was a given he would be CGI'd. The costume picture reveal doesn't look real.

The actual eyes looked like they were scrawled in by an intern with MS Paint.

The entire "proof of concept" was CG.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCGZv_cUgAAWqBj.jpg)

Killing Mario Lopez is serious business.

New fanmade poster that I think is worth seeing

(http://i.imgur.com/nrrYdof.jpg)

Leaked Deadpool trailer. (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/MarvelFreshman/news/?a=122733)  That shit looks awesome.   :drill:

Even my senile grandmother knows how to hold her phone horizontal.

Oh, the trailer looked pretty awesome, yeah.

"Fuck Liefeld."

OMFG. Best trailer ever.

The trailer was entertaining and all but like did nobody else think it was a littttttttle tryhard? They already did the R-Rated thing, couldn't they have just ya know, made a good trailer?

I'll see this.

Five months after release.

Off Usenet.

And more screen time for Colossus.  Yay!

I don't think that's going to be an actual trailer. I got the feeling it's just a sizzle reel thing for the comic con crowd.

Ok, I'm curious how  fits in to the story without
Mind you I haven't read a new comic in well over five years, so maybe there's a tie in I don't know of. Spoilered for those who don't want to watch the trailer, or read the IMDB cast list, or know anything about this before it comes out.

This is definitely the first movie in a while that will be getting me there for opening night.

I don't know why this is in spoilers considering it's not a secret Colossus is in the movie.  Deadpool has been linked to the X-Men for awhile now in the comics, hell he's even been an Avenger.

Maybe Colossus went off to become a mercenary on his own? I dunno, it is a good question why he's there when he's been linked to the X-men in the Fox cinema stuff for so long.

Ok fine, it was a secret to me up until I watched the trailer.

So, they released a trailer for the trailer.

Warning: NSFW language.
https://youtu.be/QPZHBjyUGhQ (https://youtu.be/QPZHBjyUGhQ)

The actual trailer will be tomorrow, apparently.

I am loving the shit they are doing with the hype on this.

 Still hate Reynolds, but I am softening my position on him with each one of these.   :awesome_for_real:

How can you hate the man that did this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLEYf_Nxbsw

I've been a fan of Reynolds since Two Guys a Girl and a Pizza Place.  That's also where I first saw Nathan Fillion.  I mean, how can you hate Van Wilder!

Van Wilder was a damned good movie.  A sleeper hit at the time that propelled Reynolds' career.  As for Deadpool, the roll was built for Reynolds.  It's the one super I don't mind him playing.  Now if we can just get a replacement for the Lantern...  (hated him in that)

Reynolds was the only good part of GL.  The script and direction sucked, which you can't really blame him for.  He would be fine as Hal Jordan.  Besides now it looks like we are gonna get Taye Diggs as John Stewart in the GL reboot.  Oh yay.

If this film is the film that puts Ryan Reynolds in the running to be the Ryan Reynolds it's ok to like (currently a position held by Ryan Gosling), then so be it. Love the pipe gag.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyKWUTwSYAs

Redband version of the trailer. 

https://youtu.be/3hQpV9Q0A7E
This is a trailer for the movie that sold me on Ryan Reynolds. He makes an ok movie good imo, and that is what I look for in an actor.

Yeah, that movie looks crazy weird in a good way.

"But please dont make the supersuit green, or animated."  -DeadPool Trailer

How did the latest  trailer  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIM1HydF9UA) go unnoticed? For some reason my big takeaway was 'hey look the guy from Galaxy Quest!'

I'm wishing that I had some way to just fast forward until this releases. I really hope this is as good as all of the characterization surrounding the hype.

Colossus only exists to get the shit kicked out of him.

He's the Worf (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheWorfEffect) of the X-Men?

 :awesome_for_real:

Love the new trailer. I don't care how tied in this is to X-Men or not, just the trailers alone make me giggle incessantly. Also, such a great use of that DMX song.

Deadpool is supposed to be part of the "new" X-Men Continuity after Apocalypse I believe.

He's also an Avenger now.

#TouchYourselfTonight. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsdD1MJXOpk)

Deadpool is also officially now running for president. Superpac and everything.
I hope this doesn't turn out like Wildstar.  The marketing here is some kind of genius; I dont even care how good the movie is at this point.

"hold each of your man berries, or as I like to call them...smooth criminals" :awesome_for_real:

That spot was very well written.  I mean, it was funny and I don't know how.  And it kept going.

I don't know if it is because he is in the movie but it seems like Reynolds has adopted TJ Miller's cadence.

Their dialogue spilled over into a Superbowl ad for Shock Top actually:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfZqD2XmjBY

Who is the actor doing the "You look like an avocado had sex with an older, uglier avocado" bit in the trailers?

TJ Miller (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2554352/), who has been in a bunch of stuff, but his biggest thing is Silicon Valley on HBO.

He gets a lot of voice work, but his biggest movie role was the the guy holding the camera in Cloverfield (IOW, still mostly voice acting except for 30-45 seconds where you can see him).

--Dave

He's Tuffnut !!!  HOW CAN YOU NOT KNOW TUFFNUT !

In seriousness, he is actually a big draw for me in this, Elena movies aside, due to his work in Silicon Valley, which has to be the funniest show I've seen in a good long while.

He was Stainer in She's Out of my League - a highly underrated sex/young romance comedy for guys.

Got to randomly see an early screening of this last night. It was better than I was expecting and thoroughly enjoyable.

The jokes were funny throughout (assuming you are a 12 year old boy at heart), the action was enjoyable enough (although mad max kinda ruined action movies), and it didn't feel low budget for the most part (the CGI was kinda obvious, but didn't really stick out).

I would easily put it above random stuff like Thor1&2 and IM2&3 for being a tiny bit more original.

Deadpool and Manchester United (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAZnyE-I7dg)

If there was an oscar for best original marketing I think this film would be in with a shout.

Starting Monday (http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/foxs-deadpool-take-over-5-tv-networks-with-non-stop-ads-during-regular-programming), for three hours, Deadpool will be the only advertisement across five different Viacom networks.


The article states including The Golden Girls is because Deadpool follows TGG on Instagram in the movie, so I'm liking the tie in. Though, this is probably the dumbest thing I've seen from their marketing team. DVRs will make most of this not matter, and those that will/would watch the ad spots would do so because they've knocked every ad out of the park and not because they've been spamming all our shit with them.

Or pre-teens who don't get the concept of fast forwarding or tuning out commercials.  Mine is all "OMG aren't you guys excited for this movie?!?!?! Have you seen the commercials!?!"

Personally the advertising and marketing did nothing as I hadn't even heard of this movie.  The pre-teen who won't shut up about it has ensured that I will never want to see it ;-)

A little late but happy Australia Day from Deadpool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bv3FWCdO0rw

I didn't know pre-teens exist that don't understand skipping commercials, and the second line makes me miss green text :why_so_serious:


The Irish/Aussie mixed accent was both awesome and annoying. So it was fitting I guess. Liked the line about Wolverine though

"Cause that's a real thing!" That one got me. :grin:

It feels like the intern wrote all these ads back to back in about 90 mins.

I guess I'm not the audience for this movie.

You will be missed.

Watching a few of the adverts almost convinced the husband to come see the movie with me.  Which is fine with me, I'm seeing it either way.

My daughter took me to this tonight for my birthday. Absolutely fantastic movie - I loved it.

The German dub is bad, really bad. Unfortunately the movie is not 'big' enough to warrant the additional costs for theaters to procure and show an original version. Netflix to the rescue.

It's good. Already want to watch it a second time.

Deadpool sequel already greenlit (http://www.geeksofdoom.com/2016/02/10/deadpool-sequel-fox).

Apparently Fox is really happy with this one.

https://twitter.com/BettyMWhite/status/697839194568167424
 (https://twitter.com/BettyMWhite/status/697839194568167424)
Well Betty White loved Deadpool.   :awesome_for_real:

As usual, Betty White wins everything.

How long before Hollywood distills this marketing style and totally ruins it?

You're the guy that says 'One year closer to death !' at a birthday party, am I right ?

Holy fuck this is a good movie.

While I don't care why, I am curious if it was Betty White's tweets or the advertising campaign during Golden Girls that got the 4-5 80yr old couples in the showing I went to :awesome_for_real:

I just saw it in imax in az, the audience was all geriatrics except for the wife and I, and one woman with 2 small children who left in the first scene. Several of the nearly-deads left soon after.
I enjoyed the hell out of it.

This was fucking hilarious. And jesus fucking christ did Morena Baccarin get hotter in the fifteen years since firefly, how does that even happen.

Pay attention to the opening credits. Lots of fun Easter eggs.


I, too, experienced this and am curious about it. I was going to ask one of them, but they all took off before the end credits were finished and missed the end scene. Noobs.

In my experience if you go to earlybird movies, you will have old people in them. They go to movies because it is something to do. Don't even know what it is. New movie? Okay, sounds good. My MIL does this all the time.

It was early, but I expected to have experiences like Merusk and Rattran where the oldies left. But the ones near me stayed the whole time and laughed. It was really weird, but awesome.

Better than it had any right to be. Its the Shriek of marvel movies. Not even remotely tempted to dissect this movie it just works. First Fox Marvel marvel movie that doesn't feel like it'll be better produced by Marvel studios/Disney.

As cliche as this sounds, I think it was good because it was clear that it was a labor of love for the character and material.

Connected age and off-color humor is difficult.

Mel Brooks is 89.

Goddamn this was fantastic. The only exposure I've had to the character was the early Liefeld appearances and stuff where he's starred in other people's books but they got that part of the character down perfectly. This is definitely the role Ryan Reynolds was born to play. It's his "THUNDERCUNT" character from Blade 3 given an entire movie to talk shit and it was fucking fantastic. So many good lines and one-liners. I think my favorite so far is "hashtag driveby."

Firefly was 15 years ago? I am so old right now.

Shut up and take my money.

Speaking of Liefield, check the name on the Starbucks cup in the opening.   :drill:

Well, that was rather enjoyable.  In two minds about it though.  It was still your bog-standard not terribly interesting Origin movie.  It was also a non stop bit of fun.

That's what can make a good romantic comedy or any other type of movie, by the book but charismatic and funny enough you don't care.   Kinda how I enjoyed John Wick for being a 'pure' action movie, this was a pure distilled super hero movie that was all lean, no fat.

I enjoyed this. The plot is paper thin, but the gags come at a great pace and there was really nothing I didn't find amusing.

I loved it. 

Hell, even the husband loved it and he had no idea who Deadpool was going in.  He just saw one of the commercials during the Super Bowl and thought it was funny, so he decided to go with me.

It was violent, crude, bloody, immature, and utterly over the top.


The whole family loved it.

We also found it very amusing and entertaining. I am hoping the 15-year old doesn't have questions about the sex montage, though.

Big shout-out to the writers. The tone on Deadpool is extremely easy to get completely wrong, but they pretty much got it just right.

I do hope that if they do Cable in a sequel, he is played entirely for laughs, like Colossus in this one. There is no way to make Cable anything but utterly pants-on-head-ridiculous. It would be kind of hilarious if they actually tried to fourth-wall explain his origin.

Deadpool breaks the record for best opening by an R-Rated movie ever (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=4157&p=.htm).

Seriously, $135 million domestic, over $260 million worldwide on a $58 million budget. Even if you count marketing as double the budget, it's already made a profit domestically in one weekend. Highest February opening ever, beating Fifty fucking Shades of Gray. It just utterly killed. Even if the second week dropoff is big, it's still justified the insistence on an R-Rating, as well as all the hype that was built from that CGI sequence that made its way around the Internet.

It was good for the same reason a lot of the Marvel movies are good - it seems like the producers/studio laid down a few ground rules and a framework, then stepped back and let the creative people do what they do.

I want Karl Urban as Cable.   :awesome_for_real:

I want Kiera Knightly as Cable.

Kiera Knightly as Domino!

Lol :awesome_for_real:

Once was enough. Though, for real, she might not be bad for it

Isn't that right, my dear Chair

I honestly dont see this dropping off in any meanigfull way untill at least the second or third week.

The theatre I work at had it in 2 of our largest auditoriums (a 400 seat IMAX house and a 380 ish seat Normal house) and we had to open up a third auditorium for an Additional late show (we axed a show of something and moved Zoolander into one of the tiny auditoriums movies go to to die) and we STILL ended up turning people away in droves because shows were sold out multiple hours in advance.  Hell,  we had people coming to our theatre from as far away as an hour + drive (note, we are on the edge of metropolitan Toronto, there are probably at least 10 other theatres within 1 hour of us) because they said every theatre around them was also sold out.

This thing is going to have heafty legs untill damn near everybody who can has finally managed to see it.

Yeah, apparently no one told them that R-rated movies are box office poison.

Deadpool is currently leading the german box office charts. It's the 6th best February launch ever with 900,000 tickets (1st: 50 shades 1.3 m).

That sums it up for me and my wife, neither of us are comic book/super hero fans but this movie was just fun.  We went because she watched a trailer someone posted on youtube and she thought it looked funny.  There were 3 or 4 other superhero movie trailers before Deadpool started but she said they looked like too much serious business to bother with.

Hollywood has been SO wrong about this for so long. PG-13 really has been a bad thing for Hollywood, IMO. Maybe it's because I'm an adult now and don't have kids, but I haven't even paid attention to the ratings for anything in forever other than to see if something that should be R isn't (like an Aliens movie or Deadpool). Hollywood has insisted for so long that anything big budget has to be PG-13 or better so as not to turn away the kiddies, but it's somewhat creatively stifling. I still don't see it changing much because Hollywood execs are mostly fucking idiots but it is nice to see something that needed an R-rating get and be hugely successful doing it.

Of course, it's also a huge win for really damn good marketing.

Well they weren't initially wrong about it. It served its purpose with the very protectionist parents that early Childrearing Boomers and Gap-gen parents were when it was introduced. Gen X and young Millenials have totally different attitudes about what's appropriate and levels of media savvy. It's not like the 80s where, "oh shit, why is this PG?" could happen because you had no way of gathering information beforehand. Famously Jaws, Gremlins, Wizards, and Mommie Dearest had PG ratings. Whoops.

Additionally I'm not a fan of the "do away with PG-13" movement that's out there. It lets movies like The Breakfast Club (which was "R" how crazy is that?) be accessible to the right audience while also letting parents know, "no, this isn't a Disney Channel movie. Look into why it has this rating."

I also want to take a moment and give Kudos to my local theater who was actually checking IDs outside the room and made sure a few idiot parents who bought tickets online didn't bring their 8-year-olds to the movie. Good job.

My problem isn't with the PG-13 rating. If we're going to have ratings, I appreciate it being there as a good indicator that yeah, this is a bit more adult than an 8-year old should see but it isn't full-on Showgirls. I just think Hollywood has handicapped a number of movies creatively because they didn't want to shut out 13-16 year old ticket sales.

The wife got a 5 minute lecture from the ticket taker on her bringing the 13 year olds to this movie.  Her response was "they'll hear worse language from me over the rest of the day and see more violence on the internet!"

Breakfast Club was R because it had too many "fuck"s in it. I still find it super shitty that two f-bombs equals an R rating.

James Gunn nails why Deadpool's success will ultimately be a bad thing:
http://www.vulture.com/2016/02/james-gunn-worried-deadpool-teach-wrong-lessons.html?mid=twitter_vulture

TLDR: Bad imitations incoming.

It's not a bad thing and it's inevitable no matter what type of movie it is. See:Twilight and YA movies.  Being successful leads to poorer imitations, it's just nature.

It's not like Fox hasn't made other shitty imitations of superhero movies and failed in the past. See Fantastic Four or both of the Wolverine movies.

I think Gunn is right in that the studios have NO FUCKING IDEA why Deadpool worked. Maybe not even Marvel Studios. So there will be dumb bad attempts to reproduce the formula. Dumb bad R-rated superhero movies with lots of masturbation jokes = objectively worse than other kinds of studio imitation. This is a really fragile formula that was cooked into a beautiful potion by really skilled people. Bad cookings will be unusually toxic.

I think I felt especially dread when I saw one prognostication today that this would greenlight an R-rated Gambit movie. This is the worst possible thing ever. This is a thought worthy of having aliens nuke us from orbit.

----------

What would be good? An R-rated X-Force movie that mixed the sensibility of this film with Rick Remender's more serious X-Force comics. That's part of what made this work, in fact--just enough seriousness about Deadpool's sufferings, about his relationship, etc.

Though they did downplay just how disgusting he looks in the comics--I had to point out to my wife and daughter than in the comics, the guy has open, bleeding, pus-oozing sores all over his body, he's not just a burn victim.

I didn't mind this as much because while it could have been a technical limitation I think the movie would lose something by forcing reynolds to emote as pizza the hutt.

I'm sure the expense of that actual makeup/CGI + losing Reynolds' basic appeal as an actor had something to do with it.

I agree about the Remender R-Rated X-Force material. I think this group could do that one and make it work.

R-Rated Gambit, though? FFS, why? Gambit isn't even that interesting of a character and R-Rating won't help him be more interesting.

So Anna Paquin can get naked? :awesome_for_real:

TBH I'm so meh on gambit that making it rated R actually makes me a bit more interested.

This is now my new favorite Marvel movie.  And my most favorite Valentine's Day movie ever.
But, I feel like it's almost a bad thing liking it that much.  Like... I feel dirty, but I like it.

1/4 of the audience was under eight for the showing I went to in Arizona. It made it very uncomfortable for watching.

Uncomfortable? This is the greatest love story ever told. 

I didn't say it wasn't fucking great, I just said it wasn't fucking comfortable with all the fucking kids yelling they had to use the fucking potty to their fucking parents who didn't care.

You know you wanted to turn around and tell them they shoulda wore their yellow pants.

Fucking awesome. I literally laughed myself to tears. And Gunn is right, Hollywood will take all the wrong lessons from this.

--Dave

Morena Baccarin  :heart: :awesome_for_real:

This was a really great experience. I laughed my ass off. Ryan Reynolds is really great, nearly all of the Jokes hit.

Will see it a second time.

Oh and the movie revels in its R-rating, it savours it and loves it and calls it George. They know exactly why this needed an R-rating and how to do it right.

R Rated Gambit? Fuck no.  For that matter, we really dont even need a Gambit movie period.  Now, an R Rated modern Spawn reboot, that would be pretty awesome.

'Conventional' wisdom said that R-rated movies won't work. That they are box office poison because the teen and pre-teen crowd won't be able to see them in theaters and that they subsequently won't be picked up by the large theater chains. Now we've had four very successful R-rated movies in a single year. 50 Shades of Gray, Kingsman, Mad Max: Fury Road and now Deadpool. I#d even count hateful 8 which currently stands on $53 m domestic/$78m foreign on a $45m budget.

The exception would be 50 Shades because it was pretty obvious that it would be rated R (if not NC-17) but the books were such a hype that it was apparent that this would make a lot of money.

The makers of the other movies literally had to fight tooth and nails to keep the production companies from dumbing it down to a PG-13. Mad Max didn't get the follow-up greenlit (as would be common witha 100 million dollar budget, to offset the budgetary risk) because they thought the movie would never recurr the production and marketing costs on an R-rating, it also very nearly didn't get made because of that. Kingsman and Deadpool almost wouldn't have been greenlit if it weren't for their initial marketing efforts. Also no one thought Deadpool would make any money, otherwise they wouldn't have scheduled it for a Valentine's day weekend release. The weekend bad movies are released to die silently.

The big sensation about Deadpool is not that it's successful despite the R-rating. It's successful on probably the worst weekend of the year for movie releases. So it invalidates almost all of the 'conventional' wisdom held by movie execs. It's almost as if people will go to the movies at any point during the year if there's something worthwile to watch. A probably surprising revelation for industry people. Also people with jobs have disposable income to spent on theater tickets.

So TL;DR: Of course no one in Hollywood has any clue why a movie like Deadpool is successful. Of course this will produce a lot of third rate knock-offs, almost anything does today. I don't care though if there's at least some movies out there that 'get it'.

Revised estimate:

$150m domestic/$132m foreign/$264m total over the 4 day president's day weekend. This will easily break $500m worldwide by next week. On a $50m budget. It's now already breaking all of 50 Shades' records for february releases.

It also broke the "largest R rated opening" record previously held by The Matrix: Reloaded and it is also the largest opening ever for 20th Century Fox topping Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith.

Movie execs obviously have no fucking clue about anything.

This is not news.

The famous William Goldman quote "nobody knows anything" is famous for a reason.

As a movie exec you greenlight a picture based on the script and maybe some attached directors / actors. It can be hard to tell how well a movie will do once a movie is finished, let alone before it's even started filming.

I don't want to defend movie execs here but it's a hard job. I don't think many analysts thought this would do this well either. Jurassic Park was the same. That said, movie conventional wisdom is basically "do what's been working in the last 6 months", which is on one hand very stupid, but on the other hand makes some sense on some level.

The bigger the budgets, the more risk averse movie execs get. Since most of them are basically business/numbers people, it's about following the numbers. By the numbers, this should have tanked as well as things like Mad Max: Fury Road. Because these are numbers guys making the decisions, those decisions are based on how big of a loss they can absorb without losing their job if the movie shits the bed. I don't think they actually factor in "if this is a success" to the equation at all. Successes are in the past, disasters are in the future. And all these creative types just want whatever they want and don't care about the budgets or losses or whatever.

It's a very myopic mindset and explains everything you need to know about why we get the movies we get these days. The next John Carter is waiting just around the corner for all these execs - a creative success that nevertheless lost a metric fuckton of money.

Movie execs haven't learned the lessons of the Robert Rodriguez and Kevin Smith's of the world, who found ways to make good movies on shoestring budgets. They sure as shit haven't learned the lessons of the Marvel success (see Warner Bros. DC movies and Fox's Fantastic Four follies). The only lessons they ever see from success are "copy that until it doesn't work anymore, then copy the next trend."

Yeah, directors and stars are made by hits, especially unexpected ones, but execs live or die by the bombs they gave the green light to. $58M is practically a chump-change flyer for Hollywood these days, nobody important was going to have their career tanked if it failed. Ryan Reynolds was bitching up a storm about how they had promised him a Deadpool solo movie when he did Wolverine Origins, and the teaser he and a few friends put together got huge buzz, so they dug through the couch cushions and found a few million for him and his friends to LARP with. The fact that they left it in the hands of such an untested director shows how *not* seriously they took the whole thing, they expected it to fail miserably (and even stacked the deck in that direction by giving it a Valentine's opening) and knew that would reduce Reynolds to taking whatever they offered for the *next* project.

That marketing that looked like 'an intern wrote it over a weekend'? Probably most of it was Reynolds mugging ad-lib for the camera because they wouldn't give the movie a real marketing budget. Hollywood expected it to fail and has absolutely no clue why it didn't, but will settle on some one-line explanation and run with it. Because the only way Hollywood execs are allowed to fail is by following the herd off a cliff.

--Dave

Now, now, you aren't being at all fair to Hollywood.

Many creatives do care about budgets. The ones that own their production companies do! Also, there's the ones whose budgets aren't big enough.

And of course execs can fail without following a trend. They can strike out in a unique direction and not make money! That gets them fired right quick.

(FWIW, my experience with Hollywood is that most of the creatives are quite nice and most of the suits are snakes. Names are only given out over beers, but are ones you would know).

Started a bit slow but soon became a roller coaster of fun and laughs. The obligatory after the credits bit was brilliant, but I can see the younger audience members not getting it.

Ferris Bueller's came out (almost) 30 years ago :ye_gods:

I can't track down the origin for the quote, but it runs something to the effect of "Hollywood doesn't make movies, Hollywood makes deals and sometimes those deals result in a movie." You can make a movie literally anywhere, nobody shoots a film on a studio backlot or the Topanga hills anymore and a lot of big stars and directors keep themselves and their families *anywhere* but Southern California.  If you're an aspiring actor, you're better off heading for Vancouver B.C. than Sunset Boulevard.

But if you want tens of millions of dollars to make a movie and access to wide theatrical release, Hollywood is where that deal gets made. This deal was set up to fail, an R-rated superhero movie with D-list characters releasing on Valentine's Day with virtually no marketing budget. Somewhere in Lala-Land, an executive is steaming pissed because his studio is going to make money on this and all his 11 dimensional chess has gotten fucked up.

--Dave

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That would implode the Internet just by the critical mass of whining fans complaining about the "SJWs" in Hollywood. Even if this is an actual Marvel character I'm unaware of.

That is Domino I'm guessing sans make-up. Long time Deadpool love interest/murder assister and Cable/X-verse B lister.

It's Keira Knightly as Cable.  It was an after credits joke.

What General Zod said.  Someone ran with an after credits joke, and did a photoshop of Kiera Knightly as Cable.

Source on that?  The production budget was modest ($58 million), but I can't find anything that says they skimped on marketing.  On the contrary, all you see are articles praising Deadpool's marketing strategy....  and anecdotally, there were shitloads of ads for Deadpool prior to its opening...  certain channels, they were impossible to avoid.

Also, the sequel was greenlight before the movie was released.

Yeah, that $58 million was just the movie, and was actually $7 million less than they were greenlit for. Marketing spent a shitton, though it does seem like it was very targeted.

Ahh.... Apparently, not watching live TV has removed me from the zeitgeist. I genuinely had not seen any marketing except the viral stuff that got dragged into my FB feed, and here.

Somehow, I think I can survive being out of touch with the consumer mainstream.

--Dave

I think somewhere around November there was a change in strategy when the studio started to get their feedback.  This was - from the beginning - being undercut, under budgeted and set up to be a fringe movie.  When preliminary data began to come back and indicated the movie might vastly exceed expectations, they started to step up. 

When it exceeded even those revised and raised expectations, they realized they screwed up: This should have been a huge summer release.  They should not have cut the characters they were forced to cut.  Jackman, Stewart/McAvoy, etc... should have been on screen for cameos.  They should have forced it to be PG13 so that... Hey, I didn't say they were smart, just that they had 'real'izations. 

I loved it.  Fox has done well with a total of 3 characters in their X-verse: Magneto, Wolverine and Deadpool.  Everything else was pretty poor (IMHO).  I'm just sad we had to wait so long to get it and Reynolds is getting to be a bit long in the tooth to continue the role for a prolonged period.  He is only 8 years behind Jackman.

Not sure why his age matters that much since his face is always going to be covered in makeup or he's going to be in his costume. Reynolds could probably just do voice-overs for 95% of the action scenes.

True.  Heck, they could do the same with Wolverine: Motion Capture by stuntmen, digital deaging, etc... could keep Jackman in the role forever if they wanted.

Fucking reddit/movies had a million and one posts on whatever the latest Deadpool marketing stunt was...  whether it was viral videos or buying ad time during the Golden Girls (in comics, Deadpool loves the Golden Girls or some shit) or the outrageous billboards/posters or whatever.

Not being picky with you, just a pet peeve with "geek" culture is that they believe either the mainstream/studios are actively shitting on what they like or media companies are actively sabotaging projects they pump millions of dollars into just because lulz nerd tears. 

To be fair to geek culture, Fox was pretty much shitting on the Deadpool character for years starting with the horrible choices they made in Wolverine and even cutting money out of the budget after they'd greenlit the script. It took "geek culture" absolutely blowing up the Internet along with Ryan Reynolds continued evangelizing the character for Fox Studios to even make the movie, and good early testing results to make them put money into marketing it. Not because they love the salty taste of nerd tears, of course, but because they love money, hate risk and are myopic twats.

Saw it tonight in IMAX. Fantastic film, easily one of my favorite Marvel movies. Would watch again.

How much input did Marvel actually have in this?  I assumed that it was entirely a Fox project that they had full control over, like all the other x-men stuff.

It depends upon how you define Marvel.  People that work in the comics, studio people, etc.... Last June they said Feige would have no involvement wIth Deadpool. I have heard nothing to contradict that yet.

He got a pizza place named after him -- Feige's Favorites!

Hey, that's more than he gets from Netflix...

Also, in with the "Loved It" crowd.

Marvel didn't have much to do with this at all other than providing source material.

I don't think Fox has "full control" over anything Marvel.

According to the writers they had to run the changes to Negasonic Teenage Warhead (in the comics she has totally different powers) past Marvel execs. So it seems like Marvel has veto power over how the characters are portrayed. I assume the contract has some sort of language about using "good faith" interpretations of the characters or something along those lines.

That said it doesn't sound like Marvel had any input as to the plot or script.

Plus the character is dead... and was in like 2 issues?

This movie was fantastic.

That is all.

Wait, that's a real character? I really thought that was some silly shit they made up for this movie.

It's actually the title of a 1995 Monster Magnet song they used as her name.

They being Marvel, not Fox.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negasonic_Teenage_Warhead

The sense I got was that they needed a character that Marvel would not care about because they needed to morph it to fill all the roles that were going to be filled by the X-men originaly in the script. The writer had an affinity for the name after the brief appearance in the comics and decided to use it for the 'Random Power' mutant they added to the story to replace those written out X-men.  Clearly, based upon the Voltron discussion the final battle was supposed to feature four X-men and Deadpool versus the 5 villains originally planned.  I'm betting it was actually supposed to be Deadpool, Colossus, and three new mutants (including Cannonball) versus the 5 names that are floating around for villians. 

It worked better with the smaller cast of mutants anyways.

I found both the crocs and the musings on Liam Neeson's character in Taken to be funnier than it had any right to be. A lot of the movie rested on little stuff like that.

Yeah it was well written and well directed. Just saw it.  It was a really "small" movie in a lot of ways, and tight!  Deserves to be big and rewatched.  I love movies where I can catch things I missed the first time.  I hope they release a director's cut...

When I compare it to other comic movies, it feels a lot more like an MCU picture than a Fox X-verse movie.  Do others agree?  I could see Deadpool chatting it up with Tony Stark more than Professor X.

I think that's more a commonality of how RDJ and Reynolds approach the characters, and their ability to sell "Hyper-Competent Smart-Ass".

--Dave

Well, it's also a function of how serious/portentious the Singer X-Men movies have felt. Even First Class, though it was a wee bit more punchy and humorous. In any event, they have a single tonality to them with a range of quality. 

Even the relatively serious MCU films (Age of Ultron) don't have the same feeling, partly because there isn't the threat of genocide/anti-mutant racism hanging over it all.  Plus the MCU has a wide range of tonality overall--there can be a corner where alcoholism and sexual assault are serious sub-themes and another corner where the basic tone is light-hearted caper. Feels totally right that there could be a Deadpool doing his thing off in another corner.

First Class was directed by Matthew Vaughn. That combined with the time period gave it a less "SRZBZNS" feel.

The problem I have with the last couple of X-Men movies is that I care less about these "past" adventures.  I'd rather have modern day X-Men movies.  These feel more like gimmicky X-Men movies than anything else.  Also I assume that Age of Apocalypse will do another additional retcon of the series to set up the new ones coming up.  Considering they are gonna lose at least half the cast after this and Wolverine will need to be recast.

I think this stuff kinda feeds back on itself. Marvel Studios had the X-men and Spider-man movies that they could look at and build off of for ideas on how to do super-hero movies and now to some extent you have Sony and Fox trying to feed back off of what Marvel/Disney has done. Fox's X-men franchise has been going on for twice as many years as the MCU, and the first X-men movie (along with Blade, although he isn't a super-hero) essentially kicked off the modern era of superhero movies. It's hard to maintain a consistent tone when you have to tie-in to those early movies and also when there are some horrible misfires in the franchise like X3 and Wolverine: Origins. First Class and Days of Future Past were a soft reboot, I think not only to try to unfuck their continuity and write-out X3, but also for Fox to free themselves up a bit to modernize the franchise.

That whole "let's make R-rated stuff" has begun.

http://peeltheorange.net/2016/02/23/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-to-get-an-r-rated-release/ (http://peeltheorange.net/2016/02/23/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-to-get-an-r-rated-release/)

It's just for the DVD release but I lol'd when I saw this.   :awesome_for_real:

Lol WUT?  I mean, wtf.  Exactly what would they do in a Batman Vs Superman movie to give it an R rating?!?  Neither of the title charachaters are even remotely likely to drop a curse word harsh enough to make you blink while staying true to character, let alone with enough frequency to warrent a rating hike.   Violence harsh enough to warrent an R Rating probably wouldnt work either, unless they want to show a lot of civilian collateral damage, which would be totally out of character for any of their francchises to date.  So I guess that leaves topless Wonderwoman and some kind of Steamy Super Sex scene?  You know, I might be able to get behind that idea.....

That is a seriously stupid decision - DVD release or not, Superman does not need an R-Rating.

Rated R for sequences of violence.

So yeah, probably collateral damage, which wouldn't be out of place considering the last half hour or so of Man of Steel.

Its a fade before we go back to pg-13 land.

You dont get an R Rating for destroying lots of archetecture.  Graphic Citizen Colateral damage (a la the first fight scene in Deadpool, just with civies instead of mercs) gets you an R, but that would be out of character for literally every Batman and Superman movie to date.  The closest they got in Man of Steel was a falling building narrowly missing someone, and Zod almost eye-lazoring someone.  It would be radically out of place all things considered.

Man of Steel doesn't get an R because all the death is implied. It's pretty heavily implied though especially compared to something like Avengers where they actively work to save civilians. I don't think the Nolan Batman stuff was too far off from an R-rating either, at least if MPAA ratings made sense and were consistent. People visibly dying in these movies wouldn't be out of character or out of place at this point. We've already had Superman breaking a villain's neck, and the Joker slamming a guy face first onto a pencil. An R-rated cut of the kind of stuff they've already been doing isn't going to be any real kind of tonal shift. If anything I think it's less hypocritical than showing people getting murdered and  getting the movie a PG-13 rating just because there wasn't any blood when it happened.

That said, an R-rating just for one version of the home release is obviously a gimmick. If they had any artistic integrity then either the R-rated version is what they're artistic vision for the movie is and they should release it in the theaters as such, or they shouldn't be filming extra shit for an R-rated version if it's just to sell DVD's and Blu-rays.

I literally cannot imagine what belongs in a film of Batman and Superman fighting that should get an R rating. Even if it's following Dark Knight Returns in some respect--the only R-rated thing in that really is the death of the Joker.

This means that on some level Snyder is going to double-down on complaints against Man of Steel. "You think I showed too much collateral damage in the last film? Wait till you get a load of this one. You think Superman didn't manage to save enough people last time? This time you'll get to see some heads lopped off and some viscera spilling out."

I guess it sort of goes with Geoff Johns' DC, where it's always a good thing to have an arm lopped off or a person decapitated.

It's for the Director's cut, not for the general DVD release.

I still cannot imagine what he's filmed to put in his "director's cut" that will have that effect.

Money shot on Wonder-Woman.

Post-credits scene of Snyder wiping his dick off with a 9.0 graded Action Comics #1?

Going by his oevre I'd hazard a guess that he's probably more into dudes.

It's like you haven't seen Sucker Punch.

Friends don't let friends watch Suckerpunch.

It's fucking woeful.

Sucker Punch was so bad that I had already erased its existence from my memory.

We could do a whole Freudian analysis of Snyders psyche just based on his movies, though. On the one hand Sucker Punch's sexploitation bordering on pedophilia or the very awkward sex scene in watchmen and on the other hand lots and lots of burly hypermasculine men either wearing nothing except baby oil or sporting elaborate costumes while beating the shit out of each other.

He's been married twice though.

Sucker punch seems like how a gay man would interpret "girl power"

I suspect not.

To be fair to Snyder, the sex scene in Watchmen was basically from the book, and he's stated multiple times that it was his aim to do as close of a shot-for-shot adaptation of the comic as was possible. Except for the ending, of course. Sucker Punch was just a shitty movie that took its visual cues from anime, not from any particular sexual proclivity on the director's part.

Unless he plans for there to be a steamy sex scene or decapitations, I see no reason for an R-rated version of this movie. There just literally isn't any good reason to do so while holding true to the characters. But having seen the trailers, the only character holding true to its roots appears to be Batman.

Saw Deadpool last night.  God damn hilarious.

It's up there with GoG as both my favorite superhero movie, and movie I can't wait to see a sequel to.  It's already been discussed a ton here, but I loved just about every second of this movie.


Though I've had "Angel of the Morning" stuck in my head non stop since I walked out of the cinema.

This was a much better movie than I expected as well.

Still not sure about the people taking kids to see this film - saw a few in the cinema I was at.

Mine still has staff at the door checking IDs. Good on them for it.

Thing is, it is 18A here in canada, not a hard R.  Meaning that as long as the kid is accompanied by an Adult, there is unfortunately nothing we can really do about it other then give them the "are you and idiot" stare, and kindly point out the movie might not be appropriate for their 10 year old...  Still loads of fun kicking out the asshole teenagers who dont quite make the cut but still think they can sneak in on their own anyway  :grin:

In the US, R means kids are allowed in as long as they're accompanied by an adult. The harsher rating than that, NC-17, is almost never used for mainstream movies.

Saw it Thursday. Was blown away by how much I loved it. Unlike a few others here, I have always like Reynolds dating back to his TV roots on 2GAGAAPP. If this character didn't exist, it would have to be created just so he could play Deadpool. Can't wait to watch it again, and really looking forward to a long run on cable and then a sequel.

Hell, as a pay cable TV show it would easily be the best show on TV.  Ironically, for a supers movie, it'd translate very well to the medium.  Deadpool is really just about Deadpool; not a lot of wide-angle shots or "epic" moments... more like humourous Daredevil really.

I think Ryan Reynolds works best where he can be a bit of an asshole, which "Deadpool" certainly allowed.

I really enjoyed this, I think it worked surprisingly well for a movie Deadpool (not quite as bizarre and mentally deranged as the Deadpool I remember from the comics, toned down enough for an audience to relate to). A lot of it didn't really make sense for any reason (why the fuck would Colossus just wag his finger at Deadpool for literally murdering a helpless guy in front of him? And then try to get him to join the X-Men?!) beyond that's what happens in the comics but honestly, I didn't mind it in this movie. Afterwards maybe but at the time I enjoyed it. Not sure it would stand rewatching that well but seriously surprisingly good.

The X-Men in the comics are all about 2nd* chances.

* and 3rd and 4th and 5th, ad infinitum.

Yeah, Sabretooth has actually joined the X-Men at least twice.

Not bad for a murdering rapist.

It makes more senses for Deadpool, because Deadpool doesn't make sense. With Sabertooth, you have to give some sort of convoluted reason that justifies it. With Deadpool, it's because...it's Deadpool. Stuff just happens like that.

I thought people joined Xaviers school because they needed help not because they were already awesome.  The Cyclopses and Storms are graduates, the Sabertooths  and Deadpools are like convicts going back for their GEDs.

Deadpool is now officially the highest grossing R-rated movie of all time (worldwide). After seven weeks in theaters and with a total gross of 750 million dollars it beat out "The Matrix Reloaded" and now occupies the top spot. Domestic it sits at #3 with 349 million dolars with only "American Sniper" ($350m) and "The Passion of the Christ" ($370m) being more successful at the box office.

Considering that the movie had a $50m budget and didn't have the mainstream PR hype that Sniper or Passion had this is quite the achievement.

Could be because it was a good movie.

But I'm sure the Studio Exec's have thought of that and are adjusting strategy accordingly.

..

 :awesome_for_real: :why_so_serious: :awesome_for_real:

 :heartbreak:

The one thing they never seem to put in the strategy is "Make good movies".

True that.  Always seems to be an accident.

You know, that phrase 'No-one sets out to make a bad movie' keeps being brought up everywhere I look these days.  I genuinely don't think it's true.  I think maybe certain people just don't understand what a bad movie IS, which is why they keep making it...

Both are true, yes. Like any creative project, you're going to get people with the right connections in the pipeline who REALLY BELIEVE they have what it takes. They don't and we get terrible results because of it.

The bigger and more incestuous Hollywood becomes the more of it you see.

I think a LOT of movies are made to close out an actor's contract before it expires in a sunk cost fallacy.

So I just bought it on Amazon streaming, and it's in glorious 21:9 ultra-wide screen format.

Probably 2.33:1 or 2.35:1 (standard cinematic ratios), and 21:9 is 2.34:1, so at most you have a few black rows. Yeah, it's nice.

--Dave

Oh, so they still insist on Region Locking in this day and age. No Deadpool streaming over here yet. And here I was looking forward to seeing this film in English.

It fills my monitor either way so I'm happy. I hate having 1/3 of the screen empty.

I caught this in the theater (just before it stopped running) with my 13 year old son who has wanted to go since it came out...I felt a little bad afterwards, but then remembered myself at 13 doing fatalities in Mortal Kombat and trying to see tits through scrambled satellite channels....He'll be ok.  Great fucking movie.

Yeah, I had the same reservations until I watched it myself. Since it was R I wanted to be sure WHAT the content was. The 12.5 year old will be just fine with it.

Gag reel: https://vimeo.com/165389267 (https://vimeo.com/165389267). It's glorious.

Wow. That's down already.

Viagra parody commercial. I don't know what their advertising people are paid, but it's not enough

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78Sfl3CUidA

And here's another link for the gag reel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gzz_e04o4eA