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They've cast the Supergirl in this CBS show with a pre-pilot season order that may or may not be in the same universe as the CO Arrow and Flash shows. They come from the same crew, so this is a real possibility.

Melissa Benoist from Glee has been cast as the lead. Not so sure on that as she seems a bit mousy to be invulnerable. Physically she is not a great match either.  Even with hair dye, her frame is all wrong.  I'm also not sure how they'plan to give us a Supergirl level of powers on a TV budget.  I'mean very curious...

The early scripts they're releasing seem to suggest that Superman exists in the same world that Supergirl is operating in.

That really seems hard to relate to Arrow and Flash, where there's a clear sense that Arrow more or less created the concept of the masked vigilante, where guys with super-strength and earthquake machines first appeared to the world in Starling City, and where the Flash is the "next stage" of superhero evolution--the cops in Central City have just reacted like they're the first people who have ever seen a "superhero battle". You don't get any sense that they're all going, "Oh, yeah, that's like that guy in Metropolis who flies around".

They stated that this will not have ties to Arrow and Flash now.  It is also going to be another procedural drama.  I have no faith in the project at this point.  They are also comparing how the show is going to be to the Good Wife and Madam Secretary.

It's going to be on CBS. That right there gives me skepticism.

As of yesterday this was not true - what did you see?  The only thing stating that was a bit inconsistent as it noted sources on both sides: http://www.newsarama.com/23198-cbs-talks-supergirl-casting-crossing-over-with-arrow-the-flash.html (http://www.newsarama.com/23198-cbs-talks-supergirl-casting-crossing-over-with-arrow-the-flash.html)

As for the script leaks: There is no guarantee the scripts from the casting have any intended use in the show.  They often write scripts to show range from the actors on TV rather than have scripts that they'd actually use...

Huh that article you linked even said don't expect to see crossovers with Arrow and Flash and then the journalist threw in that oh but CW and CBS are owned by the same parent company so it could happen.

... and a bit more.  If you go to the internet and other articles, there are more comments by the team that put the show together saying that it is their desire to make it one universe.  Those statements come before and after this article from a few weeks ago.

One article, one comment by an executive, etc... does not prove anything.  After all, Sony execs flatly and 100% denied that there were any talks about Spider-man going to the MCU... 2 weeks after emails showed those individuals participating in the discussions.

But it's already not one universe unless there is an in universe superman which is not the current movie superman.

If I'm following you, the point you raise is an issue, but not determinative.  The series could start out with Superman's first signs of action as a costumed hero and Kara being shocked to see someone else with powers like hers... and then discovering that they might be family.  DC put handcuffs on the Flash/Arrow continutity (No Gotham, Batman, Superman, Metropolis, Wonder Woman, etc...) that have been slightly lifted over time.  Now that they seem comfortable with a TV and a movie continuity existing with the same characters, they may lift those restraints entirely. 

Who knows? 

All I know is this: One of the big draws in comics that gets people to try new shows is crossovers.  They're idiots to pass up any chance to crossover, especially when CW and CBS feed the same coffers.

This is Warner Bros. we're talking about. Their history with the movie properties shows they are fucking idiots.

Even with them being the same company, there is way different politics and differences to how the two channels run.  Arrow and Flash would have been cancelled by now on network tv.

True.  However, irrelevant.  The question is not about whether Arrow/Flash fit on CBS.  It is whether the people that own the networks can be convinced that the three shows created by Berlanti from DC universe properties can mutually benefit from crossover.  Supergirl can be run very differently, and still take place in the same continuity as Arrow/Flash and cross over.  Heck, it could take place in a different universe and cross over given the way the DC universe(s) have been handled in the comics...

Yes, the idea of multiple universes crossing over is in no way crazy.  :oh_i_see:

... and yet is a core aspect of many DC storylines.  Including, in a way, one that is being worked into Flash...

Nothing is guaranteed ... or off the table ... as long as the money be there.

Which makes it no less crazy.  :awesome_for_real:

Yep, there's nothing like that sweet, sweet money CBS will get by tying their show into the 128th most watched show on network television last season.

DC tries so hard, it's really cute.

You're ignoring that the ownership goes both ways - if Supergirl is expected to have higher ratings, crossing it with Arrow and Flash can bring them - and the CW in general - more viewers.  CBS owns half of the CW.

Honestly, I think there are very few people watching Arrow and Flash that will not give Supergirl a try regardless of whether it is a shared universe or not.  They may have lower expectations - perhaps only giving it a half episode to lure them in - but I think the vast majority of us will give it a try.  To that end, I do not think that a shared universe will give Supergirl the same boost it would give to Flash/Arrow.

However, 'events' in TV stories typically give higher ratings than typical episodes, whether it is opening a hatch on Lost, the crash of SD6 on Alias, or Arrow crossing over to Flash - and crossovers with Arrow and Flash onto Supergirl would likely be events with higher ratings.  Further, it allows them to spend less time 'universe building' and establishing rules for their world.  So there is *some* direct benefit to CBS... although there is no doubt that CW would get more out of the deal.

The pilot's description indicates that Superman is an established character in the Supergirl world. That means no shared universe unless we get Supes into A/F soon or there is a time jump. One theory out there that seems to be clinging to a shared universe is that Flash's season ends with a Flashpoint type reset that adds Supes to the universe. That seems like a huge stretch.

I'm bored to death of Superman and Supergirl in TV shows.

I want a Power Girl show starring Samantha Wright. I don't care if she's too short. everything else is perfect. Make it happen Hollywood, or wherever the fuck they make TV shows. Vancouver or whatever.

And the costume has been revealed (http://news.yahoo.com/supergirl-costume-revealed-211500461.html;_ylt=A0LEV1OPG_pUS34AwAxXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEzMHYxaHE3BGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDU01FOTQ1XzEEc2VjA3Nj).

 :uhrr:

I like that Clark being older and conservative would dress something traditional Kyptonian in style. But I think Kara being a female teen would dress in a flashy modern style.

(http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140804180533/marvel_dc/images/thumb/d/d8/Power_Girl_Vol_2_27.jpg/300px-Power_Girl_Vol_2_27.jpg)

Should have been Power Girl.   :awesome_for_real:

Interesting casting and congrats to a Canadian actress, but yea, not exactly the physical match I would have made for Supergirl. I mean she's certainly fit (seen it all - Homeland, season one, I think episode 4 or 5?) but not really the superhero type.

Just realized this thread was a few months old - went looking for the updated post and saw the costume shot. Wow, um, yea.  :uhrr: indeed.

She looks so uncomfortable in that costume.  And it just seems to be missing a couple things...

Her camel toe goes all the way up to her boobs.

The costume is fine.  The human in the costume is a total miss.  Again.  Why can nobody figure out how to cast these female superheroes?  It really shouldn't be that hard.

Knee length skirt? Ha ain't watching.

You have a terrible understanding of anatomy if you think that skirt was knee length.  :drillf:

Far as I can tell, just like with the wonder woman casting, the only problem is she doesn't have big enough tits to pull off the character.  Hell, this is even more accurate than the wonder woman casting.  Pretty much every incarnation of supergirl I've ever seen is waif thin with a nice stomach and huge boobs.  Which is normally how wonder woman is also potrayed, but at least she is often drawn as having some big thighs, and (rarely) being more muscular.

So as far as being true to the character, other than her chest, its pretty spot on.

But supergirl is an even more fuck stupid superhero than wonderwoman, so who cares.

Edit:  Actually, looking at some pictures from the web now, shes usually isn't drawn with a chest the likes of wonderwoman or power girl.  So, even more accurate!

Except that Supergirl is usually blonde, blue eyed and really good looking.  Sometimes with a nice rack to go along with it.  This girl barely checks two of those boxes.  I never thought Helen Slater was all that great, but she was much closer to the mark than this.

Ah, fair enough on that then, I agree.  I thought you were just complaining about them not casting women who actually look like they could punch holes in concrete again.   :awesome_for_real:

Maybe DC will give the rights to a Power Girl series to Cinemax HBO and finally have a hit.

Not to interfere with your priorities or anything, but until relatively recent times, Supergirl wasn't particularly drawn like Power Girl. That's the result of a fairly wretched Jeph Loeb reboot a ways back, and there have been other attempts to re-teenagerize her and leave Power Girl as the boobed-up version of the character. I get why you'd need that to want to watch the show, given how hard it is to see some tits online.

I am not at all into comic books and have no idea when or what Jeph Loeb's reboot is all about.  I am just thinking of my hazy childhood memories, and have certain mental images of what these characters look like.  Quick google searches tend to completely reinforce those memories.

Don't get me wrong - I love tits like a madman.  But that isn't what this is about, not for me.  Some of these characters are so iconic, they need to fit into a certain mold, or at least come close.  If they do not, then I do not find them credible.  I am not alone in this.  It is no different than if we were talking about casting superman.  I have no sexual interest in that whatsoever, but I still expect him to fit a certain type.  Black hair, blue eyes, sturdy chin, reasonably muscular build.  Miss on those things, I am not buying it.  For what it's worth, the last supes was cast perfectly from that pov.  So yeah, not about tits.

Supergirl in the Silver Age was basically a blonde, rather prim teenager who looked like a young Doris Day. Costume for a long time was a skirt with blouse that had no cleavage or neck exposed, then around 1980s the outfit started showing cleavage and she became a bit bustier. The Doris Day look was her iconic look for about 25 years, though near the end she started wearing a headband because, you know, 1980s. Then Crisis on Infinite Earths, then some weird reboots where she was a bunch of plasma from another dimension and other stuff, then the cousin-of-Superman came back but she started wearing midriff-baring shirts, got drawn by Michael Turner as if she were a porn star, etc.  But she's never been the most over-sexualized of superheroines, compared to Wonder Woman (or even Batgirl, with all the bondage in the '66 series).

Ignoring Powerboobs, I always picture the character circa Crisis on Infinite Earths.  If they were casting for body type, that would have been the target.

However, I think any body type can work if the actress has the right stuff.  After the things I've seen the actress in, I don't she can carry the character.  I hope I'm wrong.

Except for the whole slutty outfit, Power Girl is just more interesting than Supergirl.  I mean they are the "same" person, but Power Girl at least went off to do her own stuff and not be branded as just a female Superman.

Came here to post this.

Wow, St. Bloodworth's Day is arriving almost every few days now, it seems.

Her slutty outfit is part of what makes her interesting compared to the dull "hot but doesn't know it" goody two shoes Super Girl. As a rule super hero costumes make no sense, so her costume really isn't any more nonsensical than many others.

I don't see how a Supergirl TV show isn't going to be tremendously dull. She's a female Superman - gender swapping is a boring concept and the original Superman is super boring.

That to me is the real issue--if you have to treat Superman, already kind of a dull character, like the neighbor in Home Improvement, occasionally seen peering over the fence, and it's not a universe populated by superheroes otherwise, I don't know what's interesting about Supergirl.

Re: Power Girl, for those who are interested, she was introduced in a 1970s revival of the Justice Society, back when they were still on "Earth-2", a parallel Earth where Superman, Batman, etc. had aged somewhat and there was a next generation of legacy heroes appearing. She was drawn by the famous artist Wally Wood, who among other things at this point in his career was doing softcore porn art to make his booze money. Wood was bored and so each episode he would draw Power Girl's chest bigger and bigger and wait to see if the editors would notice and tell him to cut it out. Took quite a while before they did, and that established the character as having that as a defining feature.

Fixed that for you.

(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/78486/3169321-1473759003-18560.jpg)

I just wanted an excuse to post power girl pics.   :why_so_serious:

Though on that note, again, the only way DC is going to have a hit TV series is if they let some network give power girl the Spartacus treatment.

They are so god damn terrible at producing anything interesting or worthwhile with their IP, that is literally the only way.

Fucking Stupid.


Edited for Clarity :  That fucking picture.

Um, DC actually has a hit TV series. The Flash is pulling down pretty strong ratings. Arrow isn't doing too bad, either.

It's the movie franchise that seems pretty hapless.

I am not a fan of DC in general and think it is much harder to bring their overpowered heroes to the screen, but I have been very impressed by how they have handled the Flash so far.  There have been a few things that annoy me (villains that are effectively guys with guns need to be fodder for Flash - there is no way they can really be a challenge to that speed), but in general they have exceeded my expectations for the series by a HUGE margin. 

And the same team is behind Supergirl. 

Right now: I don't like the casting.  I don't like the apparent decision not to have Supergirl in the same universe as the other DC TV shows under the same control structure.  I don't really like the look, either.  Regardless, they've earned enough credit in my book that I'll give their new show a chance... and I'd love to be proven wrong.

Um, no. The Flash is the highest rated CW show but the CW viewing audience is an order of magnitude smaller than ABC/CBS/NBC. E.g.:

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2015/03/11/tuesday-final-ratings-the-voice-ncis-fresh-off-the-boat-marvels-agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-person-of-interest-adjusted-up/373749/

http://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/cw-2014-15-season-ratings-34237/

At this point, honestly? Ratings on the Big 3 do not determine much of anything about success--either success with fans or the economic viability of a show. That shit is 20 years ago as far assessing the market prospects of a show. It's not even clear what "TV" is any more with HBO, Netflix, Playstation, etc., all marketing original programming that you can get without a cable subscription.

And in terms of fan assessment, the Flash and Arrow are doing just fine.

You said ratings. The ratings in absolute terms suck. If you meant fan appeal you should've said that.

Ok, to be clear:

DC's TV offerings are financially successful and aesthetically successful. Ergo, DC doesn't blow at TV. Not that, by all accounts, the DC/WB brass deserve any credit for the CW's successful shows, which they've largely treated as red-haired stepchildren, but there you go.

You can be financially successful enough to get multiple seasons on a variety of outlets and production situations, and you can be a fan success, and you can be both. It doesn't really matter if you're top 20 shows with Nielsen ratings any more for any of that. (One reason among many that Nielsen is pissing in their pants about their irrelevance.)

Perhaps a more telling aspect of the success of the DC shows: They are discussing their second spinoff show right now and they've been on the air far less than 5 years - and the second spinoff is going to be the most comic-ish of the three.  Further, the related 'big sister' network is trying to recreate that success on a larger scale using the same 'behind the scenes' people.  That looks like enthusiasm and trust by the network(s).

Actually, if you look at Flash's ratings on that... they are getting numbers almost as good as New Girl, which is a Fox show that Fox considers a success. This is with a lot fewer affiliate stations than Fox has. And it's getting better ratings than a rerun of Supernatural, which is one of the CW's more successful shows.

Yes, compared to the big 3 networks in absolute numbers, yes they suck. But that's really an apples to oranges comparison. Better to compare them to cable shows on things like FX for the penetration the CW has.

The Ironwoods like The Flash.  It's cheesy and flatly ridiculous in the same way as Smallville was, except it seems to be more...grown up than Smallville and Elena can watch it without getting lost.

Also, hot incest sister is hot.

Also, Pannabaker.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm46-envrHo

Here's the Supergirl trailer.  It doesn't look super awful and I am at least glad they are going the more lighthearted route with the show.  

*and wtf happened to Callista Flockhart, I didn't even recognize that as her til I looked at the cast list.

She dyed her hair? Oh and it's been 13 years since Ally McBeal which means she's 50 now.

It looks like she's just had 1 too many facelifts or something.

I quite liked the vibe they went for with that. Devil Prada meets superheroes sort of thing.

Looked interesting. I just struggle with Superman/Supergirl/Superwhatever stories. Same reason most people do, I guess. It's really hard to do conflict with pretty much invulnerable, super-strong, super-fast, flyers.

Short of magic rocks and other members of their race.

I thought it looked pretty awful. The Devil Wears Spandex and Ally McFliesAround. I'll give it a shot but I'm not thrilled at all.

Can't be s bad as Gotham was.   :awesome_for_real:

I enjoyed about 3/4 of Gotham.

I finished up the season but it was Penguin and Nygma that kept me watching.

Those were the best parts, though I did like the guy they had playing Gordon (and of course, Leslie Tompkins). Anything with Fish Mooney was goddamn painful though.

However, I'm not sure this will even be as good as that.

Fish Mooney is the reason I hated Gotham so much.  I think the whole show would have been better off without the character.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_5KgpN38hM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_5KgpN38hM)

 :ye_gods:

Yah, it almost looks like they cut the Supergirl trailer as a direct response to that SNL sketch, to be honest. To me, they're making the point that elements like that don't have to be stupid, don't have to be left out. I mean, if you read up on the stuff Marvel was trying to get removed from Ultron (the farmhouse -- basically, the actual beating heart of the movie) you get the sense they are losing the human angle a bit. For me, this trailer actually tackles the feminist questions head on, undoes several of the romcom cliches, and seems to be trying to get that human element in there.

Who knows how it'll turn out, but it instantly appealed to everyone in my family who saw it, and my daughter for one didn't click with Arrow and Flash, even (thoug hshe watches Gotham, and enjoys Supernatural and many other genre shows).

That wasn't a bad trailer.  I might give the show a shot if they don't put it up against shows I currently watch.

So this show name checks Superman, if they then have Arrow or the Flash on then the movie/TV shows enter continuity.  Behold the DCU!  *cough, cough*

I'd say though only the TV heroes will have a chance of guesting.

Not even that.  There was some stuff awhile back about ther being no links between CW stuff and Supergirl. 

Yeah.

There is still a glimmer of a chance of overlap. The producers want it. One CBS exec said it won't happen. The producers noted that DC historically has crossed over different versions of their universes and then name checked a character in Flash that has hinted at his powers from the comics already.... I think they'll keep trying to convince the powers that be...

I read today it's going directly against Gotham.   :awesome_for_real:  I wonder if WB/DC is pissed at CBS for doing this.  Yes I know about DVR, but CBS and the CW want ratings still.

As much as all this is DC stuff, networks are still out for themselves.  Which is why people asking for crossovers between like Arrow and Supergirl aren't going to see it happen.

Gotham is awful.

I'm glad they're skipping past the childhood/high school years that dragged on in Smallville. Also, that wasn't a trailer, that was like 4 episodes.

But black, attractive Jimmy Olsen?

wut

Sure, why not?

Wasn't that Eggs from season 2 of True Blood?

Sorry, I don't wash southern trash larping.

I think you mean super hot naked vampires and were-folk.

The trailer for this reminded me of "My Super Ex Girlfriend".

No, I meant what I said.

Trust me, it can be both.

That trailer was a bucket of cold water. "I could save the day but *feelings*"

My favorite game is trying to guess individual user's responses to stuff like this on these forums.

I hated the casting choice, I dislike that they are not overtly linking it to the Arrowverse, and the preview disappointed me - primarily by looking like there is no way they'll be able to make credible threats for her on a regular budget.  However, I'm overlooking all of that and giving it a chance because of who is behind the series... even if not tied to the Arrowverse, the teams behind both are the same and they have done better than I expected over and over...

Hmm Arrow was easier because of the lack of pressure for Arrow to conform to anything specific. They are CLEARLY under pressure to form fit super girl into something I'm not willing to watch going by the check list in the trailer.

What you mean a twenty-something female lead angst/romance workplace dramedy?  Yeah, not interested.

It's Ally McKent. Wonder when she'll have an existential crisis about being/ not being/ wanting to be pregnant. Oh the Humanity!

Guess mine!

The pilot has been "leaked" online. 

I watched about half of it before I had to head to work. I'm liking it so far. The vibe I get is Supergirl gets magically stuck in an episode of Ally McBeal, gets bored with it, so she becomes Supergirl and changes the series into a superhero show.

Finished watching it. If you've seen the trailer, you've pretty much seen the episode. Also if you didn't like the trailer, you'll probably fucking hate this series. Personally, I freaking loved it.

Watching the first episode and I get more a Superman feel out of it than I did all of Man of Steel.

I gave it a go and it wasn't as Ally McFeel angsty as I expected but it was definitely there. Something about having women leads means things have to be overwrought, I guess. Thanks, Hollywood.

Overall it wasn't bad, but I don't see myself seeing it out but it wasn't awful. Maybe it'll get better as things progress like Gotham has.

That episode was far too rushed. It felt like a 2 part pilot that was crammed into one episode. I'm betting episodes 2 to 5 give us a more representative sample.

I don't dislike the lead, but she is not giving me my concept of the character. That doesn't mean the show eon't be good, but it does mean it won't hit the same notes that Arrow, Flash and Constantine did where I felt a version of the character came off the page. Instead, this feels like yet another reboot of a character... which I guess is actually more DC than giving us a version we know.

It was just ok for me but two things really bothered me.

1. I know why they had to tiptoe around mentioning superman bt come the fuck on, he's your cousin and you just refer to him as 'him' or 'that guy' or whatever? The whole dialogues about superman seemed awkward.

2. The plan is the convince bad guy you aren't a threat so he can swing his axe at you and you grab it? Pretty sure that was his original plan no matter what.  Also this axe can hurt kryptonians on earth so you're going to blow it up, directly in your face? What? The axe was even closer to her than it was to the bad guy yet he's full of shrapnel?

I'm sure the typical complaints about this show will be the tone or whatever but man the writing seems so lazy overall.

I agree - Superman is either a part of the world or he isn't.  As he is, they needed to be given permission to reference him and his entire rogues gallery freely.  I can see why they'd avoid casting him now, but if they do not start calling him Superman soon it'll be the worst  joke around.

One concern I have for a show like this is maintaining consistent credible threats.  She is so powerful that you should end up with a 'End of Man of Steel' problem during every fight (massive damage) - or the fight should be a pushover.

 It'll be interesting if the show flops a bit and CBS lets it go - could the CW grab it with a reduced budget and add it to the DC multiverse they're creating over there? 

I doubt the CW would buy the option for the show if it fails.

I liked it. There was definitely more than enough Ally McFeel but not as bad as I thought, and the action was decent. The set piece writing and filming and conception could be better but that's something I'll give them time on. After all, it's a pilot so they can't be sure what they can film and what they can't yet. If it doesn't improve by episode 4, it might be time to drop it.

I noticed a few Easter Eggs in this one. Of course, Daddy Danvers being Dean Cain was the obvious one, but when the DEO showed some of the escaped prisoners, I recognized Superman villain the Parasite. Probably others were Supes villains that I didn't recognize but that one was pretty clear.

Dancing around calling him Superman does need to stop as its totally unnecessary - or at least it should be. I hope it's not more of the WB movie dickheads exerting their epeen.

Mother Danvers is the original supergirl as well.

I saw Helen Slater's name in the credits but didn't recognize her.

On the one hand, I really hope this gets better.  Other hand, it's DC, so not much hope.

Gripping hand, She's hot as fuck.

Ha ha!  You're just like Jeb Bush!

 :oh_i_see:

Episode 2 seems like... producers: "Can we say Superman one more time? What? We can?! We have full use of the name? YAY!!!" Characters in Supergirl: "Supermansuperman, Supermansupermansuperman!" "Sueprmansuperman?" "Supermansupermansuperman!" Or maybe that's what it sounded like to me. Anyway.

Regarding the mentions of Powergirl; did anyone notice in episode 1 that this government agency now has a sample of Kara's blood? JUSSAYIN!

Anyway, episode 2 had some interesting bits, and I'm loving the characterizations, but I'm getting a bit tired of the normal people on computers and bluetooths sending the superheroes on missions.

Episode two was better, for a lot of reasons.  I'm still hung up on how attractive Kara is, but I think that's just because I'm a bloke.

She got hotter this episode.  :grin:

Their fight team has gotten better at super hero fights as I thought they would. And it was nice to hear them actually say Superman instead of "the big guy" or something. They're a little on the nose with their dialogue - some of it almost comes across as preachy and out of character. It was a definite improvement over the first episode, and nice to see the sister actually kicking some ass on one of the aliens to at least make you think the DEO is for more than just bitching at Kara.

Also:

Where's the like button on this forum? Seriously, this. Superman isn't dark and gritty. He's full of hope and integrity. Supergirl in this show is a perky version of what Superman should be.

I liked the speech from Single Female Lawyer in this one too.  It was much better than her stuff in the first episode and I think she could have real depth. 

This. I'm mostly fine with it for Flash/Arrow, but when it comes to Superman/Supergirl with all of their powers not so much.

I still can't stand Calista Flockheart, but ignoring her I at least thought episode 2 was an improvement over eps 1 so that is a good thing.

So wait....the show is kinda good AND it turns out Supergirl is actually hot?  Fine then, I'll watch.

Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves on the show being too good.  I like MAoS, Arrow and Flash a lot more. 

This last episode disappointed me:

* Villain flys away and you don't chase him despite being in your best fighting form?  Why the heck not?  He doesn't have your distance vision or hearing - why not at least follow and find his lair? 
* You're too proud to get help when facing someone that could friggin kill you?  Your fear that you might not get all the respect you want is worth dying? 
* Talking trash about Supergirl because she might get help against a villain - who everyone thinks could kill her - is just like a Millenial that lives at home and contributes nothing to society?  Strained analogy alert. 
* They need to friggin cast a Superman and put him on screen - the shadowed form is just annoying, just like not using his name in the pilot was silly. 

I get why they can't have Superman flying in all the time from a practical perspective, but from a storyline perspective it needs to be handled better - and they need to really think about her powers and give her challenges so we're not left thinking about the obvious things she should be doing to beat her villains. 

Not possible. Either her opponents are not Kryptonians, in which case she should beat them easily, or they are, in which case National City should get some radical urban renewal. Which is why Superman sucks as a character, and Supergirl isn't any better.

--Dave

It is hard.  If they can't do it, they should not have a show.  There are episodes of Flash where they challenge him with reasonable challenges - and that is nearly as hard.

I think you can challenge the character, especially considering that they've powered her down a lot from the comics.  She hasn't shown any of the 2000 B level abilities of Superman (eidetic memory, etc... )

Regardless, challenges do not necessarily need to involve being able to beat her up.  An invulnerable hero can still fail to save people, can be tricked into causing damage / outsmarted by enemies that get away with crimes, etc...   

I'm ok if she's just hot for a couple of seasons.  Really.

If all you want is to watch hot girls move around, they have this thing called porn you might try out.   I hear they even have exercise videos that can give you some good cardio.

Hell, you can see this specific girl naked if you want.

Thanks for the update.  Did you get that from one of your tipsters ?

Shh...that's going to get Ironwood divorced.

Your Mom mentioned it when she invited me over to see her home movies.

You mean the one of my birth.  Yeah, its not pleasant.

Yeah, I'm not sure many people are happy about how that turned out.

I liked this episode but I actually do agree with all of your points here strangely enough, especially the bit about casting Superman. Only doing the shadowy figure thing is REALLY annoying. I know it's likely because the Warner Bros. movie people are being complete dicks about the characters they feel like they own, but they really need to get over that shit sharpish. I mean, it's not like they haven't already cast different actors for Flash and Arrow, so fuck's sake, just grab someone to be Superman and accept that he will occasionally be on there and he won't be Henry Cavill. The audience will understand that a lot more than this stupid bullshit they are going through. I hope it's just a matter of them exploring the boundaries of what they can and can't do and isn't a set in stone series Bible commandment.

Also, yes, Supergirl is getting hotter with each episode.

Not sure how I feel about this one.  I did NOT like her having to be saved by Clark.  I thought it was lame.  Especially when she kicked his fucking arse so easy at the end.  Also, Really ?  Really ?  Superman couldn't take down this discount Iron Man motherfucker ?  I couldn't really hold my disbelief on it.

Speaking of discount :  Discount Lex Luthor.  Lame. 

(No, before I get Sugdenned, I don't know if this Lord chap is in any comics or what he is or blah, blah, blah.  He was discount Lex Luthor.)

I did like the Clark Messenger Chat at the end, as it was a well done resolution to a shit idea.  The Love Triangle just fucking sucks balls though.

I dunno.  The girls loved the episode, so maybe it was just bugging me, but .....

Yeah, making this guy a serious threat to both her and Superman was seriously reaching.  She broke his damn suit with a freaking car door in their first fight, she could've ended the whole thing right there if she flew after him.

Maxwell Lord has a complicated history in the comics, being both hero and villain (and back and forth a few times). No idea which version of him they'll be using for this one, or why he's involved other than they probably can't use Lex Luthor thanks to the WB Movies guys being dicks.

Don't be ridiculous.  Sugdened uses the single N, not double.  Sugdenned?  Good grief.

I'm not a DC guy, generally.  I just have a few areas that I followed.

It was a play on you and denned.  It was on purpose this time.   :why_so_serious:

Yeah, the shadowy Superman is old already, after two times. And I did NOT get the feeling Reactron is anything close to a threat to Supergirl, let alone Superman. I had my suspicions when I saw the trailer, and... yeah. He's a guy with a suit, and kind of a crappy suit at that.

I didn't hate the episode, and I actually kinda dug her chat with Superman at the end. But... ugh.

They made the point that Superman doesn't have a team and that Supergirl did, which is why she beat Reactron.  Also, isn't Supergirl more powerful than Superman in the comics?

Not in any Supergirl comic I remember.

Supergirl is more violent than superman because superman spent a longer period of his life holding back and putting the necessary mental  blocks on himself so he doesn't kill people. So sometimes supergirl looks stronger because she doesnt hold back as much. 

Supermans greater strength is supposedly due to living longer under a yellow sun if anyone wonders why superman is written as the stronger of the two.

Actually curious - if Power Girl is an older version of Supergirl from another universe, does that make her more powerful than Supergirl?  Because she has been exposed to sun longer?  Also, is the Superman from Earth 2 (older Superman) stronger than Superman from Earth 1?  I know they screwed with continuity to make most of those questions irrelevant, but when they were relevant, was that the status?

I'm not sure which version of Power Girl is the one they use these days, but for the most part they tried to NOT make her the Earth-2 version of Supergirl because Earth-1 Superman never existed. Until he did again. In the New-52, I'm not sure what she is.

"The wit of a youtube comment."

Brilliant line.  Obvious Episode Order change is Obvious, but Cat just keeps getting better.

Yeah, they are finally making Cat into a real character as opposed to a one-note cutdown generator. The villain was actually decent as well, though their formula of "villain escapes from mid-episode set piece for reasons" is a bit grating.

I did catch myself wondering why Supergirl hasn't heard Hank Henshaw's gears and metal bits clanking though.

I've mentally chalked that up to, she's so practiced in not using her hearing that she has to specifically work to hear things, as she did this episode.

I keep seeing commercials for this and it looks bad. Is its actually worth seeing?

It is bad, but I am watching it anyways. I have no idea why.

They made the show in the wrong time with the wrong supergirl. Should've been Laura Vandervoort and a Smallville spinoff like Arrow.

It's not bad, it's not great, it has some good moments and it has some cringe-worthy moments. It should be on CW and be tied to the Arrow-Flash-verse but it won't be and will suffer for that.

As long as they don't do anything on this show that violates the multiverse concept from Flash, it remains possible... Angel and Buffy crossed over when controlled by different networks and both NBC and CW got good press for Constantine...

Also CBS owns like half of the CW. So they could cross over if they wanted to.

I don't get how one channel can own half of another channel. That's just weird to me. But anyway!

I don't want this abomination anywhere near my arrow. good lord. no.

Hipster Lex Luthor is annoying.

--Dave

I enjoy this show but it is almost 100% because of the lead actress. I've never seen a superhero I could call adorkable before but she makes it work somehow. That said, it's probably only getting 1 season because CBS will have high expectations. On the CW it'd probably get 5 or 6 seasons easy.

Now that swapped about episode has aired, I would really, really rather they hadn't fucked with the running order.  While I kinda get the 'zomg terrorists things happened', I'm not sure it merited a switch around and, frankly, it broke some of the flow.  Well, a lot of it, actually.

Still enjoying it even if you really, really have to roll your eyes at the 'relationship' shit.

Never use this word again. Ever.

Take it for what you will, but Bleeding Cool and a few other similar sources say Supergirl will cross over with Flash as part of May sweeps.

But only if the back nine episodes get ordered.. and with the primary intent of boosting ratings, as Supergirl ratings aren't that good (barely above Gotham's.. and we all know how bad that show is). Same place actually mentions the Flash/Supergirl cross-over might even be a requirement of Supergirl's back nine episodes getting the okay.

Personally? Just don't care. Couldn't stomach Supergirl past two episodes (which is sad given that it is the only super hero-ish show I've dropped -- though I never bothered to even try the new Heroes) and Flash isn't important enough to me to care. I still wouldn't watch Supergirl. That said.. the idea is dumb and only desperation is making it a possibility.

No thoughts on this last episode? I was spoiled at first, and was really pissed off, because holy crap. But then I watched it this morning, and based on what Hank Henshaw said, I would have figured it out immediately.

Personally, I liked it. I don't know what they were thinking when they made that decision, but it works for me.

It fits.  I think ti might stretch the budget a bit, but I'm curious to see more.

Just a small reminder about your European brethren that are behind you in almost all TV.

EDIT :  Annnnnd some other cunt on a different board spoiled it.  Fuck sake.

Is anyone not getting the SUPER heavy handed hints about Astra and Kara?

In general I am enjoying this show, mostly because I don't try to think to hard about it. However, even with the effort I am making to not deconstruct it,

Because the show isn't about Superman?   :awesome_for_real:

Because Fuck You, that's why.  And a good thing too.  I really, really don't want more fucking men spoiling my Benoist show.

Also, figured out why Olsen bothers me so much.  Thankfully, it's nothing to do with him being black.  It's to do with him being so damned handsome.  Jimmy's meant to be an utter douchecanoe and that's why it's not working for me.

My wife said nearly the same thing to me no less than a half hour ago as she was catching up on the current episode.

My wife, with little to no knowledge of Superman Mythos, is just FINE with it.   :oh_i_see:

He's one of the few men that my wife has deemed prettier than me. While I'm not entirely happy with it, I will accept it.

For now.

I actually like the Pretty Jimmy Olsen. I mean, do we really really want Freckles McFuckstick snuggling up to Lois Lane's sister?

EDIT: I caught up to the mid-season finale and I must say, I did not see the Hank Henshaw reveal coming but was very pleasantly surprised. Also, I'm quite amazed that Cat Grant is becoming the most 3-dimensional character on the show but I'm really digging what they are doing with her.

The crossover between Flash and Supergirl, probably based upon the aforementioned Flash storyline, is going to take place. http://tvline.com/2016/02/03/flash-supergirl-crossover-episode-date-spoilers/#more-680242 (http://tvline.com/2016/02/03/flash-supergirl-crossover-episode-date-spoilers/#more-680242)

This scene pretty much broke me. Cat Grant I love you. So looking forward to this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU8CujX0v68

This was left off the renewal list. Probability of cancellation if numbers don't pick-up over the last few episodes left.

http://www.inquisitr.com/2927868/supergirl-canceled-cbs-leaves-supergirl-off-renewal-list-creates-rumors-about-cancellation/

Looks like this crossover ep is their hail mary.

They are probably waiting to announce it or something because they are already announcing guest stars and shit for next season.  Linda Carter is going to be playing the President next season for example.

Tvline has a renewal tracker. They call certain shows A Sure Thing for renewal. I've never seen a sure thing not be renewed. They call this show a sure thing.

They're likely just negotiating something: number of epsodes, or perhaps a revision to the cast.

Btw: For those watching Flash and Supergirl: Tuesday's Flash takes place before Monday's Supergirl.

This was a really cute ep, by the way.

Yeah, I dropped this pretty early in the season but watched this episode for the Flash crossover.  Supergirl is still incredibly adorable and would keep me watching if the rest of the show wasn't so bad.  I have no idea who those two villains were but they belonged in Adam West's Batman.  Jenna Dewan Tatum is so hot is is actually distracting.  Cute episode but it only reminded me why i quit watching the show.

That was Live Wire and Silver Banshee, they actually aren't like d-list villains either. 

As long as Benoist is in it, I'm going to keep watching.

Sorry, hate to be 'that guy', but she's just lovely.

I gotta admit she makes a pretty strong case for watching the show.

You have to take some cringeworthy dialogue at times, but I actually think they've done really well with this show. The episode where Supergirl goes batshit crazy from red kyrptonite exposure actually handled the whole "corrupted power of Superman" thing so much better than BvS and in less than half the time.

30% Flash bump.

http://tvline.com/2016/03/29/supergirl-the-flash-crossover-ratings/ (http://tvline.com/2016/03/29/supergirl-the-flash-crossover-ratings/)

A speed bump, if you will.

I enjoyed the hell out of the Flash cross-over and I think it helped that they both enjoyed themselves so obviously and had great charisma. This show is everything the DC movies are not: fun to watch and with a grasp of the characters involved. (Minus Olsen. I don't care that he's black but Jimmy Olsen should not be a good looking man who women fight over.)

On my toast when canceled list.

Why not? I actually like that Jimmy Olsen isn't just some freckle-faced nerd, nor is his modern update some grimdark emo twat.

Well it is kinda dumb when you take into account that they added a Jimmy Olsen in all but name character also.

I have no problem with him as Jimmy Olsen really.  In the show he's just evolved past being a photographer and has moved up.  He's been around Superman for years before he's moved to Supergirl's city.  I mean it's 1000x better than being an unnamed character who is killed off for drama or something..  :oh_i_see:

So this is going to the CW for season 2.  If they are going to tie it in to their other DC shows (more than it already did) I might have to pick it up again.  I was pretty annoyed Flash never even mentioned her.

This is gonna be major shuffle-rama.  My guess is that they open next season with a 2 parter that involves Supergirl replacing her Earth-1 counterpart.  This will explain having to ditch the actors that don't want to move to Vancouver.  I don't think Calista Flockhart will go, which opens up more money, and I don't think Channing Tatum's wife (Lucy Lane) will follow either.

Flockhart has actually accepted the move.

Surprising.

She's tired of Harrison schlepping around the house muttering about nerds in-between plane crashes.

This is good. Her dynamic with the main actress is honestly one of the best parts of the show. That and the sister's interactions with her.


I sure as hell don't want Jimmy to be grimdark but this version of the characters just doesn't feel like Jimmy Olsen to me. He's too confident and good looking. *shrugs*

Well this Jimmy is supposed to be at the height of his career and been hanging out with Superman for years. 

It's sad when the CW is likely to improve a show, yet here we are. I will probably pick this up again if it's going to the Flash/Arrow-verse since I really did want to like this show. Also, I'd be just fine (prefer it, actually) if they ditched Cat, Lucy Lane, Lucy's dad, mediocre Lex Luthor with hair, and maybe tried to do some sort of non-shit storyline for once.

So basically, you like nothing about the show?

Not him but basically, yes.  I loved Supergirl, absolutely every single thing around her sucked.

The actress is perfect for Supergirl/Kara, the show surrounding her is just lacking.

Folks that don't like a lot of things about this show may get their wish. Some of the actors may not wish to move to Vancouver and the cost of moving some of those large sets would be prohibitive. As such, you're likely to see them do some major changes to the show right off the bat. I would not be surprised if they moved her to the Arrowverse with a few of her allies and massively changed the support structure around her. Of course, that is only one of the several options for what they could do with her.

Well I like the actress, I don't think she's perfect for Supergirl. I think she could have been a lot of other characters and been a better fit. They needed someone that could convey a lot more gravitas then Benoist does.

Exactly what Threash and Lakov said. Benoist as Kara is good, and I actually want to enjoy this show, but very little was done well. It's why I dropped this show but will give this another go after it moves to CW.

This is suppose to be the DCU equivalent of Agent of Shield. Hire a bunch of top model actors, throw some adobe flash special effects, and wait for the nerds clamoring for the movie references to come rushing in. And while this show manages to hit the same quality of agents of shield, i.e none, the Warner Bros are far less invested. Which is a thank god for quality tv.

Well looks like the changes in DC TV are already in motion. Full-on Superman confirmed to be in the first 2 episodes of Supergirl next season.

It HAS to be Tom Welling doesn't it?

Highly unlikely.  They're not ready to adopt Smallville's stories and not doing so with Welling in the roll would cause issues.  The best casting idea I've seen is Joe Mangiello. 

I highly doubt that Welling would come back, just because he's become even more reclusive since Smallville ended.