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Title: Vin Diesel = Dork? Huh?
Post by: Strazos on March 07, 2005, 05:22:39 PM
Anyone catch him on Conan recently? Apparently, he's real big on DnD. When I heard him expound about some witch hunter he made when he was 18, what NPC's are, and the fact that he was part of the foreword of the recent book "30 Years of Adventure", he instantly went from being one of my more disliked actors to one of my top 10 favorites. Acting skills be damned, this is one win for the home team!  :-D

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0786934980/qid=1110244881/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/104-2515674-9788720?v=glance&s=books&n=507846


Title: Re: Vin Diesel = Dork? Huh?
Post by: schild on March 07, 2005, 05:48:11 PM
It must be tough living in a hole.


Title: Re: Vin Diesel = Dork? Huh?
Post by: Kenrick on March 07, 2005, 05:51:52 PM
Well hey, I didn't know it either.

Very interesting.

But stupid.


Title: Re: Vin Diesel = Dork? Huh?
Post by: schild on March 07, 2005, 05:52:24 PM
Hmmmm. Well then.


Title: Re: Vin Diesel = Dork? Huh?
Post by: Strazos on March 07, 2005, 06:33:11 PM
Well hey, I didn't know it either.

Very interesting.

But stupid.

Hence the thread placement.


Title: Re: Vin Diesel = Dork? Huh?
Post by: MrHat on March 07, 2005, 07:30:00 PM
Wasn't he responsible for making Butcher Bay fun?

I also think he had lots of input into the story behind Riddick.

And he's a giant fucking nerd.  He's what we all could be if we were beefcakes.


Title: Re: Vin Diesel = Dork? Huh?
Post by: Signe on March 07, 2005, 07:47:04 PM
Vin Diesel. He's the one who's not The Rock, right?


Title: Re: Vin Diesel = Dork? Huh?
Post by: Shockeye on March 07, 2005, 07:51:05 PM
Vin Diesel. He's the one who's not The Rock, right?

Right. He was not in "The Rock" as well.

He also wasn't in "The Hot Rock" or "Rocky".

I'm pretty sure he was also not in "School of Rock", "Rock Star", "The Rocky Horror Picture Show" or "3rd Rock from the Sun".

I did not see him in "The Hand That Rocks the Cradle" either.

I'm not sure about "Picnic at Hanging Rock" or "Detroit Rock City" since I never saw those.


Title: Re: Vin Diesel = Dork? Huh?
Post by: Signe on March 07, 2005, 07:53:27 PM
Was The Rock in any of those? 


Title: Re: Vin Diesel = Dork? Huh?
Post by: Shockeye on March 07, 2005, 07:54:24 PM
Was The Rock in any of those? 

Which one was he again?


Title: Re: Vin Diesel = Dork? Huh?
Post by: Signe on March 07, 2005, 07:56:20 PM
I just googled him and his name isn't The Rock at all.  He is called Dwayne Johnson.  Why do I get him so confused with Vin Diesel?


Title: Re: Vin Diesel = Dork? Huh?
Post by: MrHat on March 07, 2005, 08:08:32 PM
I just googled him and his name isn't The Rock at all.  He is called Dwayne Johnson.  Why do I get him so confused with Vin Diesel?

Because they're both shiney.


Title: Re: Vin Diesel = Dork? Huh?
Post by: Sobelius on March 07, 2005, 08:22:21 PM
My avatar is a shot of Vin in the shower from an ad for Vodka, I think....when his phone number showed up on the net due to a certain celeb hack, I was soooo tempted to be a total fan boi and call him....to talk DnD of course :P


Title: Re: Vin Diesel = Dork? Huh?
Post by: Strazos on March 07, 2005, 09:13:43 PM
I thought it was so priceless that Vin Diesel, a guy who is supposedly ubah-cool, was explaining DnD mechanics to Conan, who's a dork...

I wonder if he still plays, heh.


Title: Re: Vin Diesel = Dork? Huh?
Post by: MrHat on March 07, 2005, 09:18:44 PM
I thought it was so priceless that Vin Diesel, a guy who is supposedly ubah-cool, was explaining DnD mechanics to Conan, who's a dork...

I wonder if he still plays, heh.

Bet Schild could get him to come post here..


Title: Re: Vin Diesel = Dork? Huh?
Post by: schild on March 07, 2005, 09:52:38 PM
My avatar is a shot of Vin in the shower from an ad for Vodka, I think....when his phone number showed up on the net due to a certain celeb hack, I was soooo tempted to be a total fan boi and call him....to talk DnD of course :P

I always wondered what your avatar was. Now I wish I hadn't (http://realmofvindiesel.homestead.com/files/OtherPictures/Vin_Shower.jpg) (not safe for, well, not safe). I want a larping video with him in it. Playing a finger wiggler w/ a 19 strength.


Title: Re: Vin Diesel = Dork? Huh?
Post by: Llava on March 07, 2005, 10:42:20 PM
If I recall, I heard that the tattoo he had over his stomach in XXX was actually his D&D character's name.


Title: Re: Vin Diesel = Dork? Huh?
Post by: Signe on March 08, 2005, 05:46:49 AM
If I recall, I heard that the tattoo he had over his stomach in XXX was actually his D&D character's name.

Some of you people know way too much about celebs!  I'm sure I don't want to know what any more of them have all over their stomachs!


Title: Re: Vin Diesel = Dork? Huh?
Post by: HaemishM on March 08, 2005, 07:48:43 AM
Vin Diesel owns the development company that made Butcher Bay, and was heavily involved in it's production in some vague way. He is an ubah geek for sure. He may not can act, but he LOOKS cool doing what he does, could kick my ass, and likes geek things. He's watchable in movies, even movies that would otherwise be complete shit (Fast and the Furious, XXX), much like the Rock (except nothing can make The Scorpion King watchable).


Title: Re: Vin Diesel = Dork? Huh?
Post by: Shockeye on March 08, 2005, 08:02:11 AM
(except nothing can make The Scorpion King watchable).

The unrated director's cut with the copious boobies certainly helped me watch it.


Title: Re: Vin Diesel = Dork? Huh?
Post by: Abagadro on March 08, 2005, 08:48:31 AM
Quote
(except nothing can make The Scorpion King watchable).


I disagree:


(http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/universal_pictures/the_scorpion_king/kelly_hu/king4.jpg)


Title: Re: Vin Diesel = Dork? Huh?
Post by: stray on March 08, 2005, 08:53:05 AM
But is she the one showing her tits? I might watch it for that.


Title: Re: Vin Diesel = Dork? Huh?
Post by: ahoythematey on March 08, 2005, 09:40:11 AM
Nothing, not even the coolness that is Vin Diesel's geekery, could make me watch A Man Apart.


Title: Re: Vin Diesel = Dork? Huh?
Post by: stray on March 08, 2005, 10:27:23 AM
I seem to recall a post here a while back when Return of the King won at the Academy Awards, about how nerds had finally been "vindicated"...or something like that. It was quite sad, actually.

And how can the fact that Vin Diesel is a D&D geek move him from being on someone's shitlist to being on their Top 10 list? That too, is quite sad. Are nerds that desperate for role models and mainstream accomplishments?


Title: Re: Vin Diesel = Dork? Huh?
Post by: Paelos on March 08, 2005, 10:45:56 AM
Are nerds that desperate for role models and mainstream accomplishments?

No, it's just nice to notice when the mainstream and nerdery intersect.


Title: Re: Vin Diesel = Dork? Huh?
Post by: Sobelius on March 08, 2005, 11:41:24 AM
It's also noteworthy that Diesel  a) is not the characters he plays and b) is a geek who doesn't look like spent 25 years living in his parents' basement eating leftover pizza hut pizza crust. Maybe he can mix his DnD interest with movies and star in the next Dungeons and Dragons movie...

O.o

yes...I know we've almost all tried to blot out that travesty from our collective consciousness, but it will always fester like a boil on the brain because we were scarred by a villain done up in blue lipstick...and Marlon Wayans...and the vacuousness of Thora Birch...and Jeremy Irons chewing the scenery until his gums bled from the splinters...oh the humanity!!


Title: Re: Vin Diesel = Dork? Huh?
Post by: WayAbvPar on March 08, 2005, 11:46:33 AM
Marlon Wayans' death almost made up for the rest of the train wreck. My buddy stood and cheered when his character got offed, to my total amusement and the consternation and anger of the rest of the dupes who were dumb enough to pay good money to see that steaming pile of excrement.


Title: Re: Vin Diesel = Dork? Huh?
Post by: Shockeye on March 08, 2005, 12:04:19 PM
Marlon Wayans' death almost made up for the rest of the train wreck. My buddy stood and cheered when his character got offed, to my total amusement and the consternation and anger of the rest of the dupes who were dumb enough to pay good money to see that steaming pile of excrement.

Give me the old CBS Saturday morning cartoon and I'll be happy. Thanks.

And yes, I did have the action figures.


Title: Re: Vin Diesel = Dork? Huh?
Post by: Strazos on March 08, 2005, 12:06:02 PM
And how can the fact that Vin Diesel is a D&D geek move him from being on someone's shitlist to being on their Top 10 list? That too, is quite sad. Are nerds that desperate for role models and mainstream accomplishments?

Well, first of all, I don't do the whole "role model" thing.

Secondly, I forgot something... [/sarcasm]

I personally kinda always thought he was a douche, but not really anymore.

Oh yeah, my "Top 10" list is a very loose term....I'm like the anti-movie buff, and as such, being on My Top 10 means shit. Hell, the last movie I saw in theatres was either "Mean Girls" or "Ghost in the Shell: Innocense"...I forget which.


Title: Re: Vin Diesel = Dork? Huh?
Post by: stray on March 08, 2005, 01:54:30 PM
And how can the fact that Vin Diesel is a D&D geek move him from being on someone's shitlist to being on their Top 10 list? That too, is quite sad. Are nerds that desperate for role models and mainstream accomplishments?

Well, first of all, I don't do the whole "role model" thing.

Secondly, I forgot something... [/sarcasm]

I personally kinda always thought he was a douche, but not really anymore.

Oh yeah, my "Top 10" list is a very loose term....I'm like the anti-movie buff, and as such, being on My Top 10 means shit. Hell, the last movie I saw in theatres was either "Mean Girls" or "Ghost in the Shell: Innocense"...I forget which.

Cool enough. Didn't know if you were being serious or not.

Btw, I think I came off a bit rude in that post, so if I offended anyone, I apologize.


Title: Re: Vin Diesel = Dork? Huh?
Post by: Strazos on March 08, 2005, 04:18:40 PM
Btw, I think I came off a bit rude in that post, so if I offended anyone, I apologize.

Agreed.  :-P

I still don't like his acting...but I like Him now a lot more than before.

EDIT: Ghetto campus keyboards, FTW.


Title: Re: Vin Diesel = Dork? Huh?
Post by: murdoc on March 08, 2005, 05:42:54 PM
Supposedly he's gay too.

So he's a geeky gay action-hero.

Odd mix imo.


Title: Re: Vin Diesel = Dork? Huh?
Post by: Sobelius on March 08, 2005, 10:00:31 PM
The gay rumors will haunt him just because he's beefy and smart. Would be cool if he was, but the odds are mighty slim. He's probably straight -- not that there's anything wrong with that.  We just all have to remember that straights are people, too, and not make them feel bad just because of who they are attracted to.


Title: Re: Vin Diesel = Dork? Huh?
Post by: stray on March 09, 2005, 01:32:25 AM
I'd say a good percentage of the action-hero types are gay and dorky. He's not unique. Spend some time in the drama dept. or a casting office : Meet your future heroes.


Title: Re: Vin Diesel = Dork? Huh?
Post by: Signe on March 09, 2005, 05:45:14 AM
He plays D&D.  He's gay.  Will the good news ever stop coming?


Title: Re: Vin Diesel = Dork? Huh?
Post by: Shockeye on March 09, 2005, 07:38:26 AM
Quote from: Ynet News
Army frowns on Dungeons and Dragons (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles//0,7340,L-3052074,00.html)

IDF says players are detached from reality and automatically given a low security clearance
By Hanan Greenberg

Does the Israel Defense Forces believe incoming recruits and soldiers who play Dungeons and Dragons are unfit for elite units? Ynetnews has learned that 18-year-olds who tell recruiters they play the popular fantasy game are automatically given low security clearance.

“They're detached from reality and suscepitble to influence,” the army says.

Fans of the popular role-playing game had spoken of rumors of this strange policy by the IDF, but now the army has confirmed that it has a negative image of teens who play the game and labels them as problematic in regard to their draft status.

So if you like fantasy games, go see the military psychologist.

Dungeons and Dragons (also known as “D and D”) has been a popular role-playing game for decades and is based on a fantasy world.
 
One player assumes the role of “Dungeon Master” which entails directing the game and controlling the labyrinth, while the others select from a large selection of characters that includes warriors, magicians, dwarfs and thieves.

The game focuses on the results of decisions made by the players as determined by the roll of the dice.

In a more "active" version of the game, players leave the table and go out, dressed as the characters they assume for the game, along with the requisite equipment of swords (not real) to play outside, usually in the forest or woods.

'Simply detached from reality'

Thousands of youth and teens in Israel play "D and D", fighting dragons and demons using their rich imaginations. The game has also increased in popularity due to the "Lord of the Rings" trilogy.

However the IDF does not approve of this unusual hobby and prevents "D and D" players from being considered for sensitive army positions by labeling them with low security clearance.

"We have discovered that some of them are simply detached from reality," a security source told Ynetnews.

Game enthusiasts are aware of their problematic image in the army and prefer to maintain their anonymity. Many of them are from the former Soviet Union where the game is very popular.

In Israel there are thousands of players, between the ages 16 to 35, and include lawyers, high-tech workers and businessmen. Matan, 22, and Igor, a 21-year-old IDF soldier, organize activities for groups of players. Soon hundreds of fans are expected to meet in a forest in the southern part of Israel for a two-day game of pure fantasy.

"It's not a game of winners and losers," Matan says, "but rather entry into another world with stories and plot changes."

He is aware of the game's problematic reputation, especially in the IDF. The army is not indifferent to the unique hobby and is trying to locate soldiers who in their free time dress up as witches and play in forests.

'The game indicates a weak personality'

A security official tells Ynetnews there are specific criteria for deciding the level of a soldier's security clearance.

"One of the tests we do, either by asking soldiers directly or through information provided us, is to ask whether they take part in the game," he says. "If a soldier answers in the affirmative, he is sent to a professional for an evaluation, usually a psychologist."

More than half of the soldiers sent for evaluation receive low security clearances, thus preventing them from serving in sensitive IDF positions, he says.

Igor says exposing soldiers who play the game could result in the soldiers being sent to a military psychologist or even being kicked out of the army.

"Exposing them could also harm their chances at being accepted to other military courses," he says.

Matan says he has personally met soldiers whose military career was harmed due to their connection to the game. Most soldiers who play Dungeons and Dragons simply do not admit to it while they are in teh army, he says.

Why does the IDF believe the game is so dangerous?

"These people have a tendency to be influenced by external factors which could cloud their judgment, a military official says. "They may be detached from reality or have a weak personality – elements which lower a person's security clearance, allowing them to serve in the army, but not in sensitive positions."

Unsurprisingly, Igor, Matan and thier friends do not approve of this IDF policy. They say the game is only a colorful, non-violent hobby.

"Many people who play served in the most classified units," David says. "They are intelligent and any attempt to label them as 'weird' is incorrect and unfair."

But in the struggle between the Lord of the Rings and the Minister of Defense, the latter wins, or at least this is the case in the real world of the IDF.


Title: Re: Vin Diesel = Dork? Huh?
Post by: stray on March 09, 2005, 07:45:48 AM
There are probably many cases where it'd be hard to disagree.


Title: Re: Vin Diesel = Dork? Huh?
Post by: Paelos on March 09, 2005, 08:19:06 AM
They are too closely lumping DnD players and LARPers into the same mold. Not the same AT ALL

LIGHTNING BOLT LIGHTNING BOLT LIGHTNING BOLT!


Title: Re: Vin Diesel = Dork? Huh?
Post by: Polysorbate80 on March 09, 2005, 08:53:26 AM
LIGHTNING BOLT LIGHTNING BOLT LIGHTNING BOLT!

They're in the military, why bother with lightning bolts?

GRENADE! GRENADE! GRENADE!


Title: Re: Vin Diesel = Dork? Huh?
Post by: Llava on March 09, 2005, 09:49:32 AM
I'd like to point out that I was TOLD about the stomach tattoo thing.  I didn't research it myself or anything.  Someone was telling me that Diesel was a big nerd and I was skeptical, and they related that anecdote to me.

As for why you can go from disliking someone to liking them because of this:
You want to like the actors in movies you watch.  When you watch someone like Vin Diesel, it's really easy to start seeing all the douchebag characteristics that we all hate.  He looks like a giant jock who probably calls people fags and is a prick to everyone who isn't a jock.

When you hear something like that, it makes you think "Huh, maybe I was wrong about all that."  Suddenly he sounds like he might be a cool guy.  It feels like you've got someone else on your team.

It's not just nerds who think this way.  It's just typical "Us VS Them" mentality that comes from old scars left by high school.  Most of us were geeks, and most of us will never really stop thinking of ourselves as anything but.  This guy gets that, too. (http://www.brianposehn.com/)

I know I, for one, went from thinking "I will NEVER watch one of his movies" to "Well, maybe I'll give Chronicles of Riddick a try..."  Still didn't like it much, but he went from an obnoxious, uncharismatic personality to someone with whom I might have something in common.  Like it or not, that's how our minds work and we view those things as important.


Title: Re: Vin Diesel = Dork? Huh?
Post by: stray on March 09, 2005, 09:57:11 AM
It's not just nerds who think this way.  It's just typical "Us VS Them" mentality that comes from old scars left by high school.  Most of us were geeks, and most of us will never really stop thinking of ourselves as anything but.  This guy gets that, too. (http://www.brianposehn.com/)

Yeah, I know it isn't just nerds who do it. That's why it irritates me. Take Christians for example, I'm sure Brian "Head" Welch has made a whole slew of fans in a matter of one week -- and it has nothing to do with his work or his talents.

It's especially irritating when it has the reverse effect. Someone could be the biggest fan of an artist's work, then they found out said artist is gay --- So it's off to the shitlist with them!


Title: Re: Vin Diesel = Dork? Huh?
Post by: Llava on March 09, 2005, 10:43:27 AM
<shrug>

Like I said, you want to be able to relate to and like the people of whom you're a fan.  It's only natural.


Title: Re: Vin Diesel = Dork? Huh?
Post by: Riggswolfe on March 09, 2005, 12:06:45 PM
That Israeli army article is disturbing. It shows a total detachment from reality (ironic considering the content of the article) and a blatant stupidity that is laughable. That and lumping table-top guys and LARPers in the same category kinda insults me. (As a table-top player I always viewed LARPers as a little weird.)


Title: Re: Vin Diesel = Dork? Huh?
Post by: schild on March 09, 2005, 12:14:03 PM
The article is...odd. It blatently says: Creative people can't be trusted with anything. We need people we can mold into robots.

And really, it's probably true.


Title: Re: Vin Diesel = Dork? Huh?
Post by: Arnold on March 10, 2005, 01:15:49 AM

It's not just nerds who think this way.  It's just typical "Us VS Them" mentality that comes from old scars left by high school.  Most of us were geeks, and most of us will never really stop thinking of ourselves as anything but. 

You think that's bad?  Try being a geek AND a jock.  You've got one foot in both worlds and don't exactly feel at home in either.  You want to hang in both crowds, but you don't want either crowd to know what's going on when you aren't around and hanging with the other.


Title: Re: Vin Diesel = Dork? Huh?
Post by: stray on March 10, 2005, 03:11:10 AM
I'm glad I bypassed this "old scars from highschool" thing. If anything, I guess I identify with dropouts and freaks.

I suppose the one good thing about that is that we come in all shapes and sizes.


Title: Re: Vin Diesel = Dork? Huh?
Post by: Llava on March 10, 2005, 10:11:30 AM
(As a table-top player I always viewed LARPers as a little weird.)

(http://www.brunching.com/images/geekchartbig.gif)

As you can see, your statement is proven by the Geek Hierarchy.


Title: Re: Vin Diesel = Dork? Huh?
Post by: stray on March 10, 2005, 10:31:56 AM
"Comic Book Fans" and "Video Gamers" are on their way of being taken off. Video Gamers for sure. Or so I hope. The Hierarchy will then begin from whatever proceeds next ("Superhero" fans and "RPG gamers" respectively). Sorry, Anime and Fantasy/Sci-Fi literature fans -- You will always remain.

Damn you* geeks for ruining good things.



* "You" as in "you" in general terms. Not YOU.


Title: Re: Vin Diesel = Dork? Huh?
Post by: Train Wreck on March 31, 2005, 01:50:39 AM
(As a table-top player I always viewed LARPers as a little weird.)

As you can see, your statement is proven by the Geek Hierarchy.

According the the Geek Chart, furries are the equivalent of child molesters in prison.

What's a furry?


Title: Re: Vin Diesel = Dork? Huh?
Post by: Trippy on March 31, 2005, 03:38:27 AM
As you can see, your statement is proven by the Geek Hierarchy.
Hey that's a pretty good chart. They left out a few categories like people who play with miniatures and CCG players. I also don't agree with the placement of the Sci-Fi readers and Sci-Fi TV show viewers boxes -- I think they should be swapped.


Title: Re: Vin Diesel = Dork? Huh?
Post by: Murgos on March 31, 2005, 05:20:23 AM
According the the Geek Chart, furries are the equivalent of child molesters in prison.

What's a furry?

Sir Bruce.


Title: Re: Vin Diesel = Dork? Huh?
Post by: SirBruce on March 31, 2005, 06:35:38 AM
I'm not really a furry.  I just know a lot of them.

Bruce


Title: Re: Vin Diesel = Dork? Huh?
Post by: Furiously on March 31, 2005, 12:01:52 PM
I'm not really a furry.  I just know a lot of them.

Bruce


Is that like not really being pregnant?


Title: Re: Vin Diesel = Dork? Huh?
Post by: schild on March 31, 2005, 12:08:36 PM
Is that like not really being pregnant?

More like not realling being a troll.


Title: Re: Vin Diesel = Dork? Huh?
Post by: SirBruce on March 31, 2005, 12:44:22 PM
I'm not really a furry.  I just know a lot of them.

Bruce


Is that like not really being pregnant?

More like not being a Star Wars geek, even though you wen to see Episodes I and II opening night.

Bruce


Title: Re: Vin Diesel = Dork? Huh?
Post by: SirBruce on March 31, 2005, 12:44:49 PM
Is that like not really being pregnant?

More like not realling being a troll.

Swing and a miss!

Bruce


Title: Re: Vin Diesel = Dork? Huh?
Post by: schild on March 31, 2005, 12:46:44 PM
I've typed realling instead of really 5 times today.

I must have a case of the Mondays.


Title: Re: Vin Diesel = Dork? Huh?
Post by: HaemishM on March 31, 2005, 12:47:53 PM
"Why, I believe saying that around somebody like me'd get your ass kicked."


Title: Re: Vin Diesel = Dork? Huh?
Post by: schild on March 31, 2005, 12:50:03 PM
You mean:

"No. No, man."

*pause*

"Shit, no, man. I believe you'd get your ass kicked sayin' something like that, man."

I loooooooooooooooooooooooooooove me some Office Space.