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I just got a Logitech G600 mouse.  I'm having such a tough time using it.  I keep clicking on so many buttons that I shouldn't be clicking on.  It's so sensitive.  And it has that funny little clicker on the right side that I keep pressing.  Anyway, have I made a mistake?  Has anyone become used to all these touchy buttons?  If so... HOW???  I'm thinking of returning it and getting a mouse from the fucking dollar store or something.  Should I?  Or is it awesome enough to keep?  It was on sale!!!

Multi-button mouses are an acquired taste and take time getting used to. Personally I never could do it and I'm sticking with razer abyssus that has just 2 buttons and a wheel  (+2 switches at the bottom of the mouse to change sensitivity and polling)

I find the deathadder a nice compromise.  Standard 3 button mouse with two side buttons. 

(http://download.vip006.com/thumbnail/photos/1949-450x450_razer-deathadder-3500dpi-mouse-driver.jpg)

+1 on the deathadder. Some of my friends swear by the naga (are there similar mice with an entire numpad on the side?), but that's too heavy and MMO-y to me. Side buttons work great in FPS, too!

(also, this thread has a dangerous name. What happens if the cat thread decides to peek over from general discussion!?)

I tried a razer that was like that and the thumb buttons kept getting in the way of my grip.

I use a Logitech MX 518 and it's fine. Sometimes wish it had a few more buttons, but since everyone puts buttons in places that don't work for me, I guess I stick with simple.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41BQVE1SXZL._SY300_.jpg)

I love the way the thumb buttons are up off the recess. I've always liked Logitech's aggressive thumb rest and lip for the ring and pinky on the other side.

I have a Naga but discovered that I don't have enough mobility in my thumb to use the buttons effectively.  If it ever dies I'll go for something like the Death Adder.

I love my Naga.  I use it for work as well as gaming.  The thumb numpad took a little getting used to, but now it's hard to imagine not having it.

This is the mouse I use at home and work. I have been using it for years and is honestly the best mouse I have ever used.
I know its simple, and it does not have super uber dpi but it lasts for ever, super comfortable and is just right.

I have a Naga as well and it took a couple of weeks to get used to the thumb buttons, but now I wouldn't know what to do without them. I'm the same as Runvaldt - use it for both gaming and work.

I love my Death Adder - I don't really use the side buttons for gaming, more for web browsing. I also have a Razer Orochi, which is basically the mobile version - performs great, and I have no issues playing WoT with it when on the go.

Though, I should add that both of these mice fit my hand perfectly, so YMMV.

I have the Cyborg RAT 7. Great mouse and very customisable for different hand sizes and grip styles. It has two side buttons, a side scroll as well as a regular scroll wheel and a sensitivity control.

I had a Death Adder which I was very used to but my sister took it off me.  I had to let her as it's completely my fault that she's become a gaming addict in her dotage.  I got this G600 to use for Secret World and some stuff like BLOPS2.  I'll give it a couple of weeks before I decide.  Just wondering if I made some sort of horrible mistake.  I'd be happy with another Death Adder or some of the others mentioned here.  Dunno why I didn't just get another in the first place.  Because I'm insane and have to make everything so complicated! 

Same. Of all the buttons on the side of my razer naga, I use...one. :P

Call me a luddite, but I've never been happy with anything but a basic Microsoft or Logitech two-button-plus-wheel mouse. They're cheap and reliable.

I had a mouse with side buttons at ZOS, and I was constantly losing work because I'd hit one of them and it would go forward or back or close something.

I have an ancient Logitech MX510 and I love it. I could see moving to something with a couple of extra buttons when it dies, but for now I am content.

I'm another one in the 518 column with Sky. Great mouse, and it is easy to clean the cat hair out of the laser opening.  :why_so_serious:

If you want the extra buttons for The Secret World the Razer Naga Hex may be a better compromise as it has fewer side buttons (you don't need that many for TSW) and it has a place to rest your thumb in the middle. Another mouse with extra side buttons but has a place to rest your thumb is the Corsair Vengeance M95.

MX518 here as well. I've tried a couple of Razer products (mamba, naga, deathadder) but just did not like any of them. The only time I would prefer a Razer would be the Naga over a Logitech G600

For those using Razers - how is the Synapse? I heard they updated the offline mode to be better but am still hearing about issues with it

That's what I need!  Some place to stick my thumb!  They should use that for marketing... "We give you a place to stick your thumb".  People like me will know exactly what that means!

The RAT mice have a pinky rest and a thumb rest on them.

(http://www.iguitarmag.com/media/62549/rat.jpg)

That pedal IS metal.

(http://i.imgur.com/nqyydGi.png)

The pinky tray is a modular part that you can swap the right sidepanel of the mouse for.

That mouse looks as if it could kill me.   :ye_gods: 

There are people who don't use a MX518?  :awesome_for_real:

I think I've had one for the past 8 years.

I've had mine for around a decade, too. Do they even still make them?

The Logitech is the mouse that I use for SWTOR. Trying to use ctrl+ while pvping is more than I can handle. As it is, I sometimes hit capslock when I should hit tab.  :why_so_serious:  I hit some buttons on accident, but I think this way is better overall for me

Sadly not for some time now. It's now been replaced with the G400 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826104577). I use one at work, and it's been fine there for about a year now. Exact same shell shape, G400 has a thinner wire but 2x DPI of a 518.

When my MX518 at home finally dies I'll probably try to get creative and switch the shells with the G400 I have (my backup mouse still packaged and collecting dust until the 518 dies) if I can, since I prefer the grey and less rubbery feel. Other than the rubber grip (really not as bad as it sounds) and the thinner cord it really is a very true and good successor.

http://www.amazon.com/CM-Storm-Spawn-Switches-SGM-2000-MLON1/dp/B004RJJMBI

Best mouse I have ever used, long life, great build quality; great design, gets points for the rubber grips and perfect mouse control.

I wish I had a nice store where I could try palming these before buying.  I usually go logitech but it seems like every single one I buy doesn't consider the mouse wheel click the middle button by default, have to screw around.

If it's for gaming I find a nice keyboard with extra programmable keys is better than a mouse with way too many damn buttons.

Weird. I have always had the scroll wheel button recognized as the middle button without fail on every Logitech mouse I have had, without screwing around.

If you install the Logitech MouseWare/SetPoint drivers the middle mouse button by default becomes their special "universal scroll" button. It's easy enough to change it back to the middle button, though.

Does their software still suck donkey balls? When I tried it with a CM Sentinal it was the worst software I've ever seen for a mouse. It didnt stay resident and every time you ran it it set your mouse speed to retardedly slow. Just horrible design.
If the Spawn is anything like the Sentinal it's a large hands only mouse as well. Way too big for my hands.

Beware of the cat thread.

Naga Hex seemed like a reasonable compromise between the 'too many buttons' of the full Naga and not enough buttons of simple mice.  It was eye-opening, and the center peg is a rubbery resting point for your thumb in the central position of the hexagonal button arrangement - easy to recenter without looking down.

6 extra buttons is plenty for many games, and it really cuts down on hand travel when you are running mouse+keyboard.  The cloudy-online only configuration software sucks however, this will be my last Razer due to that.  I don't want a forced update loop or network connection just to use my mouse, thanks.

I have an old Logitech G5, which is nicest mouse I've ever used. The shape is perfect for my hand, it's got a few removable weights, a really nice wheel, a long cloth-covered cable and a single thumb button. They've not made it for a while now so I am afeared of the day it finally breaks or becomes too filthy to use any more.

(http://media.dexigner.com/article/5456/Logitech_G5_Laser_Mouse.jpg)

I love my RAT 7.

I'm pretty sure it was designed by Skynet to do just that.

I just looked at your RAT 7 and it looks huge, mean, and like a transformer transforming in to something that's gonna hurt me.  It is kind of evil cool looking though.  Is it as huge as it looks?  I can't hold a giant mouse.  Maybe I should go to a shop and look at some. 

I say "look" too much.  :(

It looks awesome if not a wee bit over-engineered.

I also have to say that whoever decided to start making cords like this... THANK YOU AND I LOVE YOU SOOO MUCH!

The Logitech Performance MX is the best one I've used recently. Works on almost any surface.

(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR_-Rql_-UiH0cySfC-9f67v4ciy9RqTpGacTyklsVL0aXOGqWS)

Oh it's ridiculously over-engineered. But the ability to lengthen or shorten the wrist-rest to become the perfectly length to rest your thumb comfortably on the thumb-kickstand is not to be overlooked. Along with the weights and positioning of the buttons, it's just an amazing piece of hardware.

I had a previous gen MX. Loved the mouse, hated the spotty wireless (about 10' from the receiver).

I'm still willing to live with a wire.  Having to deal with receiver issues or a dying battery at the wrong moment would make me crabby.

X2 on this.  I've been using my G5 for, oh, 6 years now I think?  For me the biggest issue for mice isn't the buttons, but does the shape & weight fit my hand.

Same. Until they make wireless stuff that recharges itself automatically I am fine with wired. I even play with my Xbox controllers connected to the charging wire most of the time.

Batteries didn't bother me, just the reception. That's why I switched over to the wired mouse. I have a powered USB hublet under the coffee table, so I just plug the mouse into that.

Actually, I forgot it's not 10' to the receiver. It was just a couple three feet when I got the hub mounted to the table. Still crap reception.

I use a Mionix Naos 5000 I got on sale about two years ago.  Main thing I like about it is the left side and thumbrest area.  The way it's molded feels very comfortable when I grip it.

http://mionix.net/products/naos-5000/

At least they're not trying to mimic Razer.

I have a Naga. A full keypad on the side is overkill. I suspect everyone either has fingers too large to use it at all or too short to reach all the buttons. I ended up programming about half them and used it in EQ2 and WoW, and it was fantastic for healing, but the last time I played either was like 3 years ago and the extra buttons just haven't been worth setting up.

When it dies I might try the hex or I might just go with something with two buttons.

Logitech G9 is fairly small. Low profile and feels kind of chubby. The thumb buttons, eventhough they are there, are placed out of the way of the thumb and are fairly tough to depress. I don't imagine it's very comfortable if you palm the mouse, but if you like me only use the fingertips, it's one of few mice with a short enough body to give good control. The (optional) flywheel scroll is terribly addictive to have. Logitech, so it naturally lasts a lifetime.

http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-910-000173-G9-Laser-Mouse/dp/B000UHE8Y2

I have a G9 (I've used pretty much all of the high end wired Logitech mice at some point) and don't like it that much. Even in its narrowest configuration it's a bit too wide for me and I have big hands. It's also not put together all that well (something some of the newer Logitech designs like the G700 suffer from). For example the outer shell has some play in it so when I squeeze the side I can feel it compress. The mouse wheel is also too low for my tastes.

I had one of those too, hated both the mouse and wireless.  Receiver was only 6" away from the mouse but no matter what I did if I had to start using it there was at least a 500ms delay before the mouse would start moving.  Crabby doesn't begin to describe how I felt when dying in a raid or somesuch because my mouse lagged when trying to do something.  I refuse to use wireless mice to this day.

I use a Microsoft Comfort Optical 3000.  My MX 310 stopped working on 2 buttons some years back and they didn't make it anymore, so I bought the cheapest minimal button mouse that actually had a wire.

I have been using a Microsoft Intellimouse Optical (4 button symmetrical + wheel) for 12 years now and love it for general use. Sure, it is not some uber high end gaming mouse, but I don't really game super seriously anymore and even when I did, it was more than functional enough for what I need. It also is the right size for my hand which I have not found a gaming mouse that I can say the same for.

I am mucho sad that MS no longer makes them.

Same. On my second one. I'm good with the simplicity.

I couldn't agree more. Friend of mine loves his with all th e weights in, I couldn't get comfortable with it and removed all of them. I've got the palm rest as far back as I can get it, with the tallest version of it, pinkie rest etc, and it's just wonderfully accurate in every way, unlike the MX518 I used to have which, for some reason, decided to continually do the wrong thing when I used the mousewheel, like scrolling in the wrong direction randomly etc.

Literally the only thing which annoys me about the RAT7 is the fact that cathair fucks up the laser, so it'll suddenly stop going up/down. It's quickly fixed by just swiping the underside, but that's the only downside I've found so far.

I rode my logitech trackman marble til it died.

(http://i.ebayimg.com/t/EXCELLENT-CONDITION-LOGITECH-T-CJ12-TRACKMAN-MARBLE-FX-TRACKBALL-MOUSE-PS-2-/00/s/NDgwWDcyMA==/$T2eC16NHJG8E9nyfmZEEBQMUYWF!7!~~60_35.JPG)

I lost my G500 somewhere and replaced it with this guy...

(http://www.freegamesden.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/razer-swtor-03.jpg)

Has anyone tried a Corsair Vengeance M90? The button layout on the side looks a lot more ergonomic than the Naga/G600 style keypad wanna be layout. http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=64133&vpn=CH-9000002-NA/CH-9000006-NA&manufacture=Corsair&promoid=1324
Has anyone got any experience with any of the Corsair mice? How is the software?

I bought a Naga Hex a month or so ago it's much better than the over priced PoS mamba I had a few years back.  I wish Razor would start adding the free wheel scrolling mode that the Logitechs have and of course the option to go wireless when not gaming would be pretty sweet.  I still prefer the Logitech performance mx for general use but the Naga is quite a bit better for gaming.

Razer Naga Epic user here. Great mouse, but two issues:

1) Seems Razer mice have an reputation to start double-clicking due to defect buttons. My previous Naga (normal) died to this (about 3 years usage), after doing some research I found out its actually quite common. Said to myself "No more Razer" but couldn't find any other mouse with enough buttons, so ended up buying another Naga.

2) Razer Synapse, the combined UI/driver of all newer Razer mice. Piece of crap. The wireless mode of my Naga is unusable due to this: In wireless mode synapse freezes every few hours, making the mouse unresponsive. Requires unplugging and back in to get going again. Not using Synapse reliably fixes that issue, but also disables any macros, profile switching, special bindings. Etc. Using the mouse in cable mode helps too, thats what I am doing now.

Anyone who played Secret World with  me might remember my "mouse died brb under table!" that seemed to happen in instances always... :oh_i_see:

Overall I feel a bit like a sucker for still buying Razer, but am too addicted to the sidebuttons. Its 4 rows of 3 buttons each, for me only 3 rows are comfortably reachable at the same time (without changing mousgrip) but it's still awesome, especially in mmos. People with longer fingers might get even more use out of it ˆˆ  

Hrm, actually, I have noticed the odd doubleclick from the RAT7. I hope that's not an omen of things to come.

I had similar problems with the naga though I didnt have a wireless so not the same problems. But, if you like the keypad side button layout check out the Logitech G600. Way less problems, much better software. Or you can check out the Corsair Vengeance M90 though I'm still hoping someone will have some experiences with it before I try one.

The reviews on that site list quite a few major problems.  I always take online reviews with a generous helping of salt but if patterns emerge then they're probably true.

This thread motivated me to look around for some great reviews and found this suprising entry from a group I had never heard of. (http://www.amazon.com/Upgraded-Anker-Precision-Programmable-Cartridge/dp/B00AAQRNQ8/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1362062635&sr=8-3&keywords=gaming+mouse)  I would typically be put off by its low price but like minded people who bought it rave about it.  Tried to buy it to see for myself but it doesn't ship to Canada.  It looks like exactly what I want, a "palm" style with a few, but not too many, thumb buttons and good software.

Those rats look amazing but the company behind them, mad catz, is primarly known for making broken garabage and the reviews have an awful lot of horror stories about it breaking and there being no warranty support.

Since I can't get that anker mouse I'll probably stick with logitech and go for this (also highly rated) mouse. (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826104261)  I would love a third thumb button but guess I won't be getting one.

Reading reviews there is a disturbing tendency for people to get all defensive/offensive about mice manufacturers, it's probably the same people who engage in console wars.  Especially with razer, people either love or hate hate hate them.

I've got a couple of G9x (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826104261) mice and love the shape/feel with the smaller clip-on body attached.  Everything else out there is just a bit too chunky for me.  Annoyingly, you have to flip the G9x over to toggle between flywheel and click scrolling (the button for that is on the bottom).

That's what I have but I'm having trouble with all the buttons.  I think I can get used to the side buttons, but I'm really having trouble with that pinky button.  I was thinking of returning it for something else... hence this thread... but my sister's dog chewed up the box so now I don't know what I'll do.  Even on sale it was kind of pricey. 

Nothing is ever simple any more.

I too swear by this mouse. There are still tons available on eBay at various prices.

That thing looks like a screenshot from Star Citizen or something.

And the trackball looks like a happy white dog.

So I take it you are writing off the 18 positive scores and 78 average review score as paid shill reviews because 5 ppl gave it bad reviews?? Definately a pattern emerging there.

You guys have some fancy fucking mice man, shit.


All I have is a *checks label* a Logitech G3. Do they even make these anymore?  :why_so_serious:

How exactly did you take my mild comment and decide that I was a paranoid nut case who sees paid conspiracies everywhere?  I simply read the reviews, there weren't many so I read them all.  Some people give five stars to anything, even if they had to rma the product and some people give one star for everything because they are hateful assholes so going strictly by stars isn't very useful.  That site doesn't evel let you give a one or two star rating unless you bought it from their website and the staff decide it's okay after reviewing your statement so it's going to be positive bias.

The people who actually wanted to use the thumb buttons and had to install the software found it buggy and the buttons themselves difficult to push.  Most of the five star people hadn't even tried to use the buttons or install the software.

Edit: Hahah, I read some reviews on newegg (which repeat the same pattern of bad software and hard to push buttons) and one of the guys who gave it five stars literally gets shocked by it every so often.  This idiot gave an item giving him an electric shock five stars!

There weren't many because you didnt click the read all 27 member reviews link I suppose.

I kinda like OCN for reviews, but you may have to do a lot of digging.  Here's one of their poster's lengthy review of the M90 (http://www.overclock.net/t/1270565/corsair-m90-mmo-mouse-review-a-gamers-perspective), and he makes mention of some of the issues mentioned in the other reviews (side buttons out of the way or hard to press, software was crap, but much-improved in current release, etc)

I did click that.  Twenty seven is my idea of "not many".  The newegg reviews have over one hundred for the same item, the g9x has over nine hundred, that's too many to read all of them.

Probably will draw scorn here for this, but the Apple Magic Mouse (http://www.apple.com/magicmouse/) is the best mouse ever.

Why? Gestures. Scroll with inertia (though when on Windows, scroll speed is not that variate). Easy side scrolling (yes, I use apps where this comes in handy). Swipe left goes back a page, swipe right goes forward a page. Two finger + double tap (can differentiate between "tap" and "click") shows desktop with active app clickable icons (variant of alt/option + tab). Add-on tools can let you define your own crazy gestures but the basics suffice for me.

Using a middle click wheel (or worse, the nub on the old Apple mouse) feels barbaric after I got used to this mouse.

Do you have any trackball suggestions?

My Logitech mouse died a horrible death a while back due to WoT induced Hulk Smash! moment so I decided to replace it with something that seemed like it would better fit with my inability to type without looking at the keyboard.  It was a wonderful plan except I learned that my thumb is too inflexible to use more than the first row of buttons easily.  Should the thing ever die I'll probably go back to a logitech

I actually stockpiled two G9x just in case the model would go out of production. :grin: Sadly very few mice nowadays are designed to be "clawed".

And yes, the toggle button isn't optimally placed, but then again, I can't really figure out where to put it where it wouldn't be in the way yet be more accessible. Besides, I only use the toggle every six months or so. You get used to clicking while holding your finger very, very still. The only thing I feel it's lacking is a normal middle button. Creative made a Fatality-branded mouse some years ago that had three+thumb buttons AND a scroll wheel. It was silly awesome, but of pretty poor build quality. It met its end during a CoD4 game.  :heartbreak:

I've been thinking about picking up a G9x because I am still using an original G9, without the "x", and it has been going strong for almost four years, but its taken to occasionally double clicking. I'm not broken up about it because this thing probably has five to six thousand gaming hours on it. Shit, I've used it so much the rubbery grip on the wider clip on has nearly worn off at the palm and thumb rest. This is literally the only mouse in twenty years that has fit my hand so perfectly.

I really miss the old pre-mousewheel non-ergonomic logitech wedge mice.  I'd like a mouse where the middle button wasn't a damn wheel...

Yup. As a decent work around I've set my Logitech tilting mouse wheels to be a middle mouse button*. That allows me to activate a middle mouse button without also scrolling at the same time or severely straining my middle finger (most mice wheels take a lot of force to push down). Unfortunately that drastically limits my choice of mice for doing real work with.

* Edit: I mean I set the tilt left and right on the mouse wheel to be middle buttons

I got the Naga thingy without the gazillions of buttons on the side and it'll be delivered today.  I was going to return the other but my sister's dog ate the box.  To return it, the box must be intact. I could cry but I won't.  Now I have a dying mouse, a mouse I can't use and a mouse on it's way.  Why does life hate me?

(http://i.imgur.com/aQsOVpc.gif)

 Got two Logitech Performance MX mice one at home one at work. Previous generation had this nice charging station which was nice and simple. Newer one I have to plugin although it plugs in on the front so it looks like a standard mouse. Also it has one of the best micro USB cables I have seen. Its 6 foot and I usually end up traveling with it and use it to charge my kindle, cell phone, gps. I have never had a delay on the wireless on these two however I had a older Logitech mouse keyboard combo that had the delay that others were complaining about. That lasted like a week before I broke the keyboard in half and plugged in my old Microsoft wired keyboard.

Atleast it's a peripheral item like a mouse and not something like a graphics card :grin:

Yes.

But right click detection sucks on it.

I hate browsing the web at home because swiping back and forth between pages is so good it makes using the navigation buttons or context menus barbaric. I wouldn't use it for gaming, the few times I've tried (minecraft), it's been horrid.That was good for UO, I set the middle button to double click. There was a lot of double clicking in that game.

Yeah, that was patched a long long time ago. Been using this thing for years and I practically live on the computer.

I've not experienced any problems with "right click" detection -- if I click anywhere on the right side of the mouse, "right click" action is enabled.

At Christmas, started using a trackpad on home iMac -- it is incredibly more efficient in "browse" mode (more gestures, taps as opposed to clicks) but dragging and dropping objects/text not as efficient, though not as cumbersome as initially.

Naga Hex guys... do you use that booster thingy, too?

Sorry.  I think I might be confusing one mouse with another mouse.  I have a fucking bag of mice.   :ye_gods:

In case anyone wants a Logitech mouse, they are the Gold Box deal of the day for Monday, March 11th.  Up to 50% off on Logitech mice and keyboards.

I just got through ordering a Razer Abyssus last night to replace my GigaByte GM-M6880.   I'll let you know when it comes in, but I think I made the right choice.   (I hope)