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Title: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: MisterNoisy on October 05, 2011, 04:36:47 PM The end of an era, to be sure.
http://www.apple.com/stevejobs/ http://www.marketwatch.com/story/statement-by-apples-board-of-directors-2011-10-05 Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: WayAbvPar on October 05, 2011, 04:40:56 PM I knew he didn't have long...no way he would have quit otherwise. Still, kind of a shock.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Merusk on October 05, 2011, 04:42:12 PM Yeah, sooner than I expected. I'd figured at least 9 months after he resigned.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: luckton on October 05, 2011, 04:44:28 PM Can't ignore the contributions he made to the industry. He may have worn clownshoes more than he needed to, and esp. at the wrong times, but he was a pioneer and innovator.
RIP Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Trippy on October 05, 2011, 04:46:36 PM :sad_panda:
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Surlyboi on October 05, 2011, 04:55:10 PM To quote Patton Oswalt, he was the closest thing we had to Tony Stark.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Quinton on October 05, 2011, 04:59:58 PM His impact on the industry, and technology in general was enormous. He will be missed.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: 01101010 on October 05, 2011, 05:01:57 PM Jeezus. Knew he was on his way out, but man, still shocking.
And he timed it perfectly as to not steal the thunder from yesterday and also will probably quell the Apple iPhone outrage. Well played you magnificent bastard. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: sinij on October 05, 2011, 05:02:32 PM His entrances and exits are always well-timed. I don't think you could go out more "on top" than Mr. Jobs.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Paelos on October 05, 2011, 05:03:22 PM Younger than my dad. :?
Cancer is a cruel bitch. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: stray on October 05, 2011, 05:04:23 PM To quote Patton Oswalt, he was the closest thing we had to Tony Stark. What a compliment. Heh I don't think we'll see another entrepenuer paid tribute as much as him in the coming days. That's kind of interesting. *this sounds very silly and fanboish with that title schild gave next to my name.. but i haven't used a mac for some time. i'm a bargain bin pc laptop user now. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Tannhauser on October 05, 2011, 05:43:46 PM Wow, that was quick. A titan of industry. Good night moneyman.
fucking cancer... Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: fuser on October 05, 2011, 05:51:31 PM Sad news, when he stepped down it had to of been hitting him hard.
fucking cancer... Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Surlyboi on October 05, 2011, 07:00:51 PM I guess I can share this story now and start the avalanche of stories we'll all be hearing for the next few days or so...
My first week at work, my first real day at One Infinite, after having it sort of drilled in to me, "don't talk to Steve", he hops in line in front of me at lunch. I say, "I know it's my first day and I know you're my boss, but save me some sushi." He looked at me, laughed and said, "sure." I'd forgotten he was a vegan and it was an asinine request, but he laughed it off and humored me. A guy I'd sort of idolized for the 20 years leading up to that point. Not a big story, but its mine. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Quinton on October 05, 2011, 07:42:49 PM A friend of mine who I worked with at Be ended up at Apple working on the OSX Finder (still does, I believe), and a few of us met him and another ex-coworker for lunch at Apple.
He had to bow out because "I'm working on a feature for The Man" (he was scrambling to get a demo put together for that afternoon). He could never bring himself to just refer to Steve as Steve, as apparently is common practice - guess it just felt weird to him. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Soln on October 05, 2011, 07:45:19 PM Thanks Surly, that's cool.
I am saddened by this. There's other things to be mindful of for sure, but the man's impact is breathtaking. My entire scope of living with computers -- started with an Apple II at a friend's -- was predicated on his will and creativity. End of era indeed. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Trippy on October 05, 2011, 07:52:53 PM I guess I can share this story now and start the avalanche of stories we'll all be hearing for the next few days or so... Steve was actually a huge fan of sushi. He used to be a regular at a sushi place in downtown Palo Alto that I was a regular at too and would see him there often. At the iPhone intro one of the places he called on the phone was Sushi Ran in Sausalito, one of the best sushi places in the Bay Area. And the last time I saw Steve Jobs in person was at Jin Sho in Palo Alto. It was a Friday night and the place was packed and he came in saw that the sushi bar was full and left.My first week at work, my first real day at One Infinite, after having it sort of drilled in to me, "don't talk to Steve", he hops in line in front of me at lunch. I say, "I know it's my first day and I know you're my boss, but save me some sushi." He looked at me, laughed and said, "sure." I'd forgotten he was a vegan and it was an asinine request, but he laughed it off and humored me. A guy I'd sort of idolized for the 20 years leading up to that point. Not a big story, but its mine. Edit: was, fuck Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Chimpy on October 05, 2011, 07:55:31 PM RIP.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Surlyboi on October 05, 2011, 07:56:48 PM I'll be in Palo Alto this weekend. I'll hit Jin Sho and raise a glass for him.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Bzalthek on October 05, 2011, 08:54:26 PM (http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s320x320/314941_10150487253317178_685952177_11400877_1585968455_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Comstar on October 06, 2011, 12:41:57 AM In the end, can you go out of life and be able to have said about you, were you a force for good or a force for evil?
Much as I hate iTunes and Max OS's in general, I very much like my iPod and iPhone. And he helped give the world some more rounded corners. And produced some wonderful movies. What what it will say on his tombstone? Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Pennilenko on October 06, 2011, 01:56:29 AM Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Ironwood on October 06, 2011, 05:47:17 AM What what it will say on his tombstone? After a certain amount of time, nothing. Same as every other tombstone. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: ghost on October 06, 2011, 05:52:11 AM Good news America: After 24 hours in an air-tight Ziploc bag packed with silica crystals, Steve Jobs works again! Turns out he wasn't really dead, but had accidentally been dropped in water.... :why_so_serious:
It's a sad day, but he had a pretty good life and accomplished a lot. I'm actually amazed that he lived as long as he did with pancreatic cancer. That usually kills people quickly. The fact that he worked up until the very end is a testament to his perseverance. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: schild on October 06, 2011, 05:55:25 AM What what it will say on his tombstone? After a certain amount of time, nothing. Same as every other tombstone. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: luckton on October 06, 2011, 05:58:37 AM Most tombstones aren't made out of a single 3 foot thick piece of steel with a 1 inch deep laser etched epitaph in 32 point Helvetica suspended in the middle of a perfectly smooth gorilla glass sphere. And I would be in no way surprised when it actually comes out like that :awesome_for_real: Don't forget that it'll have a 20" retina-display screen with a monthly updated clip of memories and contributions. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Bunk on October 06, 2011, 06:07:12 AM What what it will say on his tombstone? After a certain amount of time, nothing. Same as every other tombstone. Scary thing is, I have no idea whether you are kidding or not. The man will be well remembered. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: schild on October 06, 2011, 06:11:33 AM I was originally going to make a joke about people taking black turtlenecks to his tomb instead of flowers, but then I realized I could make both jokes.
People will take black turtlenecks to his tombstone instead of flowers. In all seriousness: I liked the guy as a sort of imaginary ridiculous cult figure from my teenage and adult years. Yea, my first computers were all Apple. Yea, I have a lot to thank them for. Yea, he was a pretty smart dude sometimes even ahead of his time. But he worked himself to death, and I don't hold that sort of life attitude on any sort of pedestal. When I die, I want the people close to me to know that I lived. I don't want to see a single quote about working to live or otherwise attributed to me. I was not kidding about his tombstone. I could totally see that. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Paelos on October 06, 2011, 06:19:00 AM Yeah, I've always thought he had a very warped view of life as well. However, the great innovators and business people almost always sacrfice their lives in favor of advancing their work.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: K9 on October 06, 2011, 06:29:50 AM I didn't really have much respect for him as a human from what I got to read about him, but as an innovator, designer and thinker his qualities and ability to inspire and lead were undeniable.
(http://i.imgur.com/SCoJ0.png) Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: schild on October 06, 2011, 06:40:33 AM Yeah, I've always thought he had a very warped view of life as well. However, the great innovators and business people almost always sacrfice their lives in favor of advancing their work. Not so much, when you don't have a warped view of life. (http://www.gatesfoundation.org/Pages/home.aspx) Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Mosesandstick on October 06, 2011, 06:52:31 AM I was a fan when I was younger, a computer meant an Apple to me and I even got the first iMac. He's definitely changed lives.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Paelos on October 06, 2011, 06:52:37 AM Bill is one of the standout greats and philanthropists of our day, for sure. He's unfortunately in the minority.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: tgr on October 06, 2011, 07:00:18 AM I can't say I've been a huge fan of Apple towards the latter years, but I can't deny the role in which Steve has played in revolutionizing computing over the years. It is sad to see him go the way he did. RIP.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: ghost on October 06, 2011, 07:07:55 AM But he worked himself to death, and I don't hold that sort of life attitude on any sort of pedestal. When I die, I want the people close to me to know that I lived. I don't want to see a single quote about working to live or otherwise attributed to me. This is very debatable. Apparently he had pancreatic cancer. I'm not aware that working too hard will give that to you. However, if he was involved with the hands on use of something carcinogenic early in his career, maybe so. I personally respect his work ethic. I'ts not something you see very often in folks at his level in business. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: luckton on October 06, 2011, 10:41:11 AM The Westboro Baptist Church has announced they will be protesting at Jobs' funeral. See if you can spot the irony:
(http://i.huffpost.com/gen/369443/WESTBORO-BAPTIST-STEVE-JOBS-DEAD.jpg) :uhrr: Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: K9 on October 06, 2011, 10:45:47 AM I wish people would stop giving those idiots attention.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: naum on October 06, 2011, 10:46:44 AM A visionary has passed. A lot are casting him in the vein of Edison, Ford, etc.… but I think more in the light of Frank Lloyd Wright.
Also, watching this (WWDC 1997 Closing Keynote) this morning while I code… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LEXae1j6EY Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: ghost on October 06, 2011, 10:48:37 AM I wish people would stop giving those idiots attention. I wish people would herd them up and ship them off to Greenland. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Paelos on October 06, 2011, 10:51:18 AM I wish people would stop giving those idiots attention. I wish people would herd them up and ship them off to Greenland. I'd round them up and send them all to visit Jesus. See what he has to say. He'd probably get mad at me for murdering the lot of them though. It's a lose-lose when you have to turn the other cheek sometimes. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Ingmar on October 06, 2011, 10:54:56 AM A visionary has passed. A lot are casting him in the vein of Edison, Ford, etc.… but I think more in the light of Frank Lloyd Wright. Also, watching this (WWDC 1997 Closing Keynote) this morning while I code… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LEXae1j6EY Ford is the only one that is a sensible comparison, IMO. Jobs's great strength was in management and marketing, not in actually inventing or designing stuff personally. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: K9 on October 06, 2011, 10:55:28 AM By saying that you acknowledge that they have won. They exist to elicit responses, and negative responses are so easy to get. The only way to destroy them is to ignore them; starve them of the attention they seek.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: ghost on October 06, 2011, 10:55:38 AM You'd be doing them a favor, Paelos. That is their ultimate goal, I'd imagine.
By saying that you acknowledge that they have won. They exist to elicit responses, and negative responses are so easy to get. The only way to destroy them is to ignore them; starve them of the attention they seek. I'm not sure that's true with this particular brand of religious nut. They'll keep doing this shit not matter what because it's what "god told them to do". Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Ironwood on October 06, 2011, 11:05:56 AM The title of this thread makes me giggle every time.
I don't know whether he shat himself or if he just walked by. Sigh. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: K9 on October 06, 2011, 11:19:41 AM You'd be doing them a favor, Paelos. That is their ultimate goal, I'd imagine. By saying that you acknowledge that they have won. They exist to elicit responses, and negative responses are so easy to get. The only way to destroy them is to ignore them; starve them of the attention they seek. I'm not sure that's true with this particular brand of religious nut. They'll keep doing this shit not matter what because it's what "god told them to do". Based on what I have read and seen, the Phelps family and the WBC is nothing more than a massive trolling effort designed to antagonise people into situations which enable the WBC to sue and win. The religious notions are all just part of the act. Even if they are genuinely buying that stuff, the best solution to them is to ignore them. Anything that gives them publicity gives them legitimacy, and only furthers their cause. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Paelos on October 06, 2011, 11:28:05 AM Based on what I have read and seen, the Phelps family and the WBC is nothing more than a massive trolling effort designed to antagonise people into situations which enable the WBC to sue and win. The religious notions are all just part of the act. Even if they are genuinely buying that stuff, the best solution to them is to ignore them. Anything that gives them publicity gives them legitimacy, and only furthers their cause. I agree, but I take a more Machiavellian stance on the issue. It's hard to collect the spoils when your entire family is dead. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: ghost on October 06, 2011, 11:54:57 AM I agree with Paelos here. I do like the idea of them starving/freezing to death in the frozen tundra of Greenland quite a bit.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: bhodi on October 06, 2011, 11:59:08 AM The onion, as always, does it right. (http://www.theonion.com/articles/last-american-who-knew-what-the-fuck-he-was-doing,26268/)
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Engels on October 06, 2011, 01:15:30 PM Probably not the most popular thing to say, but I'm getting a bit tired of the Jobs hype today. Everyone's posting about it on Facebook, attributing things to Apple that are just patently false, and making him out to be some sort of Dalai Lama of the IT world.
Look, I'm glad that when you got your first MacBook you managed to install Skype on your own. I'm glad you managed to look sufficiently hip at the coffee shop with the cute barista you still don't have the courage to ask out. I'm overjoyed that you dimwitted musicians can use Garageband to edit your gruntings into some semblances of presentableness. I'm beside myself that office parks full of software developers are currently working on the next Angry Birds killer. Honestly, I'm thrilled, but please, he wasn't the second coming. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: naum on October 06, 2011, 02:08:26 PM Probably not the most popular thing to say, but I'm getting a bit tired of the Jobs hype today. Everyone's posting about it on Facebook, attributing things to Apple that are just patently false, and making him out to be some sort of Dalai Lama of the IT world. Can you push aside your ADS affliction and acknowledge the major force he (and Apple) was in forging the computing experience? Yes, a lot of the advancement was evolutionary, not revolutionary (except maybe the early days with Wozniak, but even that was due in large part to other influential players). And you are in a minority, as most of the heavyweight overlords in the industry are all chiming in on how Jobs was an inspiration -- from Brin & Page at Google (https://plus.google.com/109813896768294978296/posts/dwmWyNSoXTh) to just about every major software creator of the past half century. Finally, here's a nice bit from Stephen Fry (http://www.stephenfry.com/2011/10/06/steve-jobs/3/) with an anecdote about a question I had always wondered about after reading TBL autobiography: Quote I will end with a story few people know. What you probably do know is that Jobs wooed Pepsi Cola boss John Sculley to Apple in 1985. He wanted him to do to IBM the unthinkable thing that he had done to Coca Cola: beaten the brand leader into second place. He won Scully with the famous phrase, “do you want to sell fizzy sugar water for the rest of your life or do you want to change the world?” Sculley came and a few months later, astoundingly, their disagreements came to such a head that Jobs found himself fired from the company he had founded. You probably knew that. You probably knew he went on to found his own computer company NeXt – a black cube computer that ran a UNIX operating system, revealing Jobs’s already growing conviction that the professionally popular UNIX, so suited to networking, should be the future kernel (if you’ll forgive the geeky pun) of any sensible consumer oriented operating system. It was on a NeXt machine that the British computer scientist Tim Berners-Lee wrote the protocols, procedures and languages that added up to the World Wide Web, http, HTML, browsers, hyperlinks … in other words the way forward for the internet, the most significant computer program ever written was done on a NeXt computer. That is a feather in Steve Jobs’s cap that is not often celebrated and indeed one that he himself signally failed to know about for some time. After having written www, Berners-Lee noticed that there was a NeXt developers conference in Paris at which Steve Jobs would be present. Tim packed up his black cube, complete with the optical disk which contained arguably the most influential and important code ever written and took a train to Paris. It was a large and popular conference and Tim was pretty much at the end of the line of black NeXt boxes. Each developer showed Steve Jobs their new word-processor, graphic programme and utility and he slowly walked along the line, like the judge at a flower show nodding his approval or frowning his distaste. Just before he reached Tim and the world wide web at the end of row, an aide nudged Jobs and told him that they should go or he’d be in danger of missing his flight back to America. So Steve turned away and never saw the programme that Tim Berners-Lee had written which would change the world as completely as Gutenberg had in 1450. It was a meeting of the two most influential men of their time that never took place. Chatting to the newly knighted Sir Tim a few years ago he told me that he had still never actually met Steve Jobs. Their work met however and it is through it that you are reading this. I will not be so presumptuous as to mourn the loss of Steve as a personal friend, but I will mourn his loss as a man who changed my world completely. As the great writer, wit and sage John @Hodgman (who played the pasty-faced PC in the old Apple TV commercials) wrote a few hours after Steve’s death “Everything good I have done, I have done on a Mac”. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: tgr on October 06, 2011, 02:21:49 PM Probably not the most popular thing to say, but I'm getting a bit tired of the Jobs hype today. Everyone's posting about it on Facebook, attributing things to Apple that are just patently false, and making him out to be some sort of Dalai Lama of the IT world. While it is going to grate if they keep it up for a few weeks (kind of like 9/11, or for us Norwegians, 7/22), he was still a major player, and I doubt we'd have all these gadgets we do have now if he hadn't been alive. I may frown upon the tablet hype, or smartphones etc, but tons of people adore them.The big question now is whether or not Apple will continue being the innovator they've been the past few years, or if Steve Jobs really was their magic touch. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Ghambit on October 06, 2011, 02:47:11 PM Jobs was more of a prophet than an innovator. He brought tech. to the masses (in trickles mind you; and largely due to Chinese outsourcing), he didnt necessarily "invent" tech. This is why putting him with Edison and Ford is apropo, because they essentially were the same.
May he RIP, but even still... idolizing him like this is a bit tiresome. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Lucas on October 06, 2011, 03:06:30 PM Heh, nice contribution by Ron Gilbert over at his blog, "Grumpy Gamer":
http://grumpygamer.com/5851503 Quote Several years ago I had the great pleasure and privilege of meeting Steve Jobs. I had a meeting at Pixar and I heard that Steve Jobs might be there. First thing I did was ask a good friend of mine that knew Steve Jobs what he was like and was there any advice she could give me. She said that Steve Jobs is an incredibly intelligent and passionate person and the one piece of advice she had for me was: don't argue with Steve Jobs and everything will go fine. Argue with Steve Jobs? He's probably one of the smartest people in the whole world and someone I have unequalled respect for, why would I ever argue with him? I arrived at the meeting and went into the conference room. John Lasseter was there (who I casually knew from when Pixar was part of Lucasfilm) and we chit-chatted. A few minutes later Steve Jobs came in. He sat right across the table from me and the first words out of his mouth where: "I don't believe you can tell stories in games." Now... Steve Jobs could have told me the sky was green, he could have told me that dogs gave birth to cats, he could have said just about anything and I would have nodded thoughtfully and probably been totally convinced, but he had to say the one thing in all of creation that I could not let go. I spent the next hour arguing with Steve Jobs. My advice to God: Don't argue with Steve Jobs. Goodbye Mr. Jobs, you really did change the world and we will miss you. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Segoris on October 06, 2011, 03:32:32 PM RIP
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Trippy on October 06, 2011, 03:35:40 PM Steve was a Buddhist.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: UnSub on October 06, 2011, 05:54:38 PM Probably not the most popular thing to say, but I'm getting a bit tired of the Jobs hype today. Everyone's posting about it on Facebook, attributing things to Apple that are just patently false, and making him out to be some sort of Dalai Lama of the IT world. It's the result of Jobs' cult of personality combined with the US tendency to sanctify their celebrities after death. Apple has had a large impact on the western world and Jobs was the face of that. The title of this thread makes me giggle every time. I don't know whether he shat himself or if he just walked by. Sigh. Perhaps it should be "Steve Jobs Discontinued"? :awesome_for_real: Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Tale on October 06, 2011, 07:55:46 PM Steve was a Buddhist. Reincarnation as a Foxconn assembly line worker then? Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: luckton on October 07, 2011, 02:40:03 AM Steve was a Buddhist. Reincarnation as a Foxconn assembly line worker then? Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Ironwood on October 07, 2011, 04:52:26 AM Um.
Of course you can tell stories in games. That's a retarded position to take. I like your idea Unsub. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: tgr on October 07, 2011, 05:00:27 AM wat
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Sheepherder on October 08, 2011, 12:25:35 AM This is very debatable. Apparently he had pancreatic cancer. I'm not aware that working too hard will give that to you. Shift work is a known cause of cancer. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Sky on October 09, 2011, 09:11:46 AM Steve Jobs: didn't die from a virus.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Ginaz on October 09, 2011, 11:05:30 AM I feel sad for his family and friends and the contributions to our lives shouldn't be forgotten, but I'll never understand the hero worship he gets. As a man, he was no different form any other corporate douche bag. He wasn't exactly the nice guy all the Apple hipster sheep make him out to be. Gawker has in interesting article on him and what he was really like.
http://gawker.com/5847344/what-everyone-is-too-polite-to-say-about-steve-jobs Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Nebu on October 09, 2011, 11:21:33 AM I think it's safe to assume that anyone with his net worth is an asshole to some degree. There's just a socially acceptable grace period before we're allowed to talk about it. See also Al Davis.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Surlyboi on October 09, 2011, 01:08:35 PM And seriously, a gawker article?
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Paelos on October 09, 2011, 03:14:43 PM I think it's safe to assume that anyone with his net worth is an asshole to some degree. There's just a socially acceptable grace period before we're allowed to talk about it. See also Al Davis. Al Davis was a myopic dick, though. EDIT: Racist is the wrong term, myopic when it comes to race is better. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Ingmar on October 09, 2011, 03:43:15 PM You totally lost me there, even with the word change. If there's one thing that every Al Davis tribute I've seen agrees on, it is that he was anything but. First guy to draft a black QB in the first round, first guy to name a black head coach, first guy to name a Latino head coach, etc.
No argument on "dick" though. :awesome_for_real: (We have another thread for this though right.) Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Paelos on October 09, 2011, 09:26:39 PM Yeah I meant more myopic in the other direction. Like he was so focused on being progressive it sorta lost focus, and you get Jamarcus Russell as your QB.
Hard to explain. But you're right, other thread. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: bhodi on October 11, 2011, 07:10:02 AM So I read this incredibly sad thing last night.
http://www.skepticblog.org/2011/10/06/steve-jobs-succumbs-to-alternative-medicine/ Basically: Quote Most pancreatic cancers are aggressive and always terminal, but Steve was lucky (if you can call it that) and had a rare form called an islet cell neuroendocrine tumor, which is actually quite treatable with excellent survival rates — if caught soon enough. The median survival is about a decade, but it depends on how soon it’s removed surgically. Steve caught his very early, and should have expected to survive much longer than a decade. Unfortunately Steve relied on a diet instead of early surgery. There is no evidence that diet has any effect on islet cell carcinoma. As he dieted for nine months, the tumor progressed, and took him from the high end to the low end of the survival rate. Incredibly tragic. Had he gone in to surgery immediately after discovery, he would probably still be alive today. This seemed so incredibly relevant but I only found out about it a day or two ago. You can thank a "Doctor" named Dean Ornish. (http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2009/03/dr_dean_ornish_turn_away_from_the_dark_s.php) I don't know why this isn't getting more publicity. It's not mentioned on his wiki page, either. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: K9 on October 11, 2011, 07:12:59 AM Fucking alt-med...
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: luckton on October 11, 2011, 07:19:37 AM No offense, but we are talking about a flower-child-turned-billionaire. You can take the hippy out of the drug-filled VW van, or something...
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Merusk on October 11, 2011, 07:39:05 AM "Personally, I think Jim Henson said it best when he said "Anybody got an aspiren? I think I've got a cold."”
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Paelos on October 11, 2011, 07:41:59 AM I never understood the logic of not wanting to remove an odd growth in your body.
"You have a tumor in your colon, we'd like to remove it surgically." "No, I'll pass. I've named him Jim." "Uh, ok. Well Jim is going to kill you." "My other doctor says if I feed Jim Wheat Thins 8 times a day I'll be fine." "I can assure you that crackers will not cure cancer." "Well, that's like...your opinion, man. You don't know that." "I know you have a growth the size of a golf ball in your intestine that's getting larger." "WHEAT THINS!" Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: NiX on October 11, 2011, 08:28:35 AM Apple Store in the local mall:
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/41161/Images/F13/apple.JPG) Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: 01101010 on October 11, 2011, 08:43:16 AM Apple Store in the local mall: I take it there is something to those post-it's? Otherwise, I have no clue. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: luckton on October 11, 2011, 08:47:28 AM Steve would have died from a heart attack over seeing such defacement on his beautiful glass walls :why_so_serious:
Just saying. :grin: Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: NiX on October 11, 2011, 08:48:33 AM Given the thread I thought it would be obvious. They're notes of condolences from Apple fans.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Slayerik on October 11, 2011, 08:54:19 AM "Personally, I think Jim Henson said it best when he said "Anybody got an aspiren? I think I've got a cold."” I have a cold. Same cold I've had for two years. I just can't seem to shake it. I'm high as a kite and my teeth are green. Merry fucking Christmas! Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Engels on October 11, 2011, 09:06:58 AM I'm trying to find alternate sources for this story linked above, but I'm not having much luck. Yes, this Dr. Ornish is a nutter, but are there other accounts of Jobs refusing surgery other than this singular blog? It smells of 'coat tails' journalism to me.
According to the article the blog post itself cites (http://www.cultofmac.com/2709/steve-jobs-treated-his-cancer-at-veggie-restaurant/), the entire foundation of the blog post is based on this: Quote It now appears that Jobs’ special diet was conducted in part at Greens, a popular vegetarian restaurant in San Francisco, and he was often accompanied by Dr. Dean Ornish, the bestselling author of “Eat more, Weigh Less” and a clinical professor of medicine at University of California, San Francisco. According to two staff who worked at Greens, and who asked to remain anonymous, Jobs regularly met Dr. Ornish at Greens about four years ago. Both staffers said they got the impression Jobs was trying to treat his cancer with meals eaten at Greens. So, two waiters at a restaurant have managed to sus all this out! Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: bhodi on October 11, 2011, 09:14:51 AM Um, and here (http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/the-death-of-steve-jobs/)? And this story by Reuters on CNN (http://money.cnn.com/2008/03/02/news/companies/elkind_jobs.fortune/index.htm?postversion=2008030510)? I did a little research before I posted because I was skeptical as well. There seems to be a solid consensus.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Surlyboi on October 11, 2011, 09:16:57 AM Apple Store in the local mall: I take it there is something to those post-it's? Otherwise, I have no clue. Do a google image search for "Apple store memorial post its" Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Engels on October 11, 2011, 09:39:32 AM Um, and here (http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/the-death-of-steve-jobs/)? And this story by Reuters on CNN (http://money.cnn.com/2008/03/02/news/companies/elkind_jobs.fortune/index.htm?postversion=2008030510)? I did a little research before I posted because I was skeptical as well. There seems to be a solid consensus. I'm a little bit more convinced, but remain skeptical. The first link simply cites the second link, the Fortune article, as its source for information. The third article cited in the SBM blog, from the dailybeast, also simply cites the Fortune 2008 article. The Fortune 2008 article doesn't seem to think it needs to have any significant proof, other than a quote that could be taken out of context: Quote "It was very traumatic for all of us," recalls one of those in whom Jobs confided, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the topic's sensitivity. "We all really care about Steve, and it was a serious risk for the company as well. It was a very emotional and very difficult time. This was one page in the adventure." Don't get me wrong, I'm not accusing you of jumping the gun and leaping on a sensationalist article, but at the same time, I am seeing a lot of informational black holes here, especially when we all know the secretiveness not only of Jobs, but of his entire company. If you think you'll get canned for leaking iPhone info, just imagine what would befall you if you leaked Job's medical information. All in all, even if this were true, reading the daily beast article (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/10/05/steve-jobs-dies-his-unorthodox-treatment-for-neuroendocrine-cancer.html) seems a much more measured assessment of what the treatment was like. Quote Despite the delay in having the surgery, Jobs’s upbeat report was not unrealistic: most patients diagnosed with neuroendocrine tumors in the pancreas live at least another 10 year Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Ingmar on October 11, 2011, 11:29:29 AM Yeah the no surgery thing is definitely known, I was aware of it from a few sources and general Valley gossip.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: naum on October 11, 2011, 01:16:48 PM Linus Torvalds on Steve Jobs (an old Charlie Rose interview)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcbbOcquHZ4 Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Sand on October 11, 2011, 03:18:50 PM Given the thread I thought it would be obvious. They're notes of condolences from Apple fans. I thought they were factory workers from all his third world child labor camps, the ones he liked to not discuss. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: WayAbvPar on October 11, 2011, 03:47:23 PM "Personally, I think Jim Henson said it best when he said "Anybody got an aspiren? I think I've got a cold."” I have a cold. Same cold I've had for two years. I just can't seem to shake it. I'm high as a kite and my teeth are green. Merry fucking Christmas! Big N, small Y, GIANT FUCKING Q! Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Ingmar on October 11, 2011, 03:49:08 PM Hyperbole much? I'm not going to pretend that tech assembly line workers are treated wonderfully or even well, but China is not the 3rd world and the people who work at Foxconn, Jabil, Flextronics, etc., aren't children.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: naum on October 11, 2011, 04:08:53 PM (http://9to5mac.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/steve-jobs.jpg)
Steve Jobs Book Excerpt: Why he wore the Black Mock Turtleneck uniform (http://9to5mac.com/2011/10/11/steve-jobs-book-excerpt-why-he-wore-the-black-mock-turtleneck-uniform) Quote Quote On a trip to Japan in the early 1980s, Jobs asked Sony’s chairman Akio Morita why everyone in the company’s factories wore uniforms. He told Jobs that after the war, no one had any clothes, and companies like Sony had to give their workers something to wear each day. Over the years, the uniforms developed their own signatures styles, especially at companies such as Sony, and it became a way of bonding workers to the company. “I decided that I wanted that type of bonding for Apple,” Jobs recalled. Yeah, that didn’t fly. Quote Sony, with its appreciation for style, had gotten the famous designer Issey Miyake to create its uniform. It was a jacket made of rip-stop nylon with sleeves that could unzip to make it a vest. So Jobs called Issey Miyake and asked him to design a vest for Apple, Jobs recalled, “I came back with some samples and told everyone it would great if we would all wear these vests. Oh man, did I get booed off the stage. Everybody hated the idea.” So Jobs got himself a uniform. Quote In the process, however, he became friends with Miyake and would visit him regularly. He also came to like the idea of having a uniform for himself, both because of its daily convenience (the rationale he claimed) and its ability to convey a signature style. “So I asked Issey to make me some of his black turtlenecks that I liked, and he made me like a hundred of them.” Jobs noticed my surprise when he told this story, so he showed them stacked up in the closet. “That’s what I wear,” he said. “I have enough to last for the rest of my life.” Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Strazos on October 11, 2011, 04:23:29 PM Wait, he seriously only wore black turtlenecks? Always?
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Trippy on October 11, 2011, 04:53:30 PM Mock turtlenecks and yes.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: luckton on October 11, 2011, 05:20:19 PM :why_so_serious: Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Sand on October 11, 2011, 06:27:49 PM Hyperbole much? I'm not going to pretend that tech assembly line workers are treated wonderfully or even well, but China is not the 3rd world and the people who work at Foxconn, Jabil, Flextronics, etc., aren't children. Read this: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/7330986/Apple-admits-using-child-labour.html It details employee suicide, beatings, fines being imposed on Foxconn factories, and child labor (at least the ones Apple admitted to). Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Sir Fodder on October 11, 2011, 08:58:01 PM Being somewhat fashion disabled I have developed a sort of uniform like that, not so strict, but I totally get that pile of turtlenecks thing, makes dressing one less thing to have to think about.
I remember hearing about the "treating it with diet" thing and thinking wtf red flag, but we don't have his medical history (he should have been more forthcoming as a public figure IMO), my guess would be that the diet stuff was just an adjunct to standard treatment. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: bhodi on October 12, 2011, 09:04:11 AM Standard treatment would be to immediately get the cancerous tumor out of you via surgery. It's pretty clear he waited 9 months.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Paelos on October 12, 2011, 10:13:26 AM Standard treatment would be to immediately get the cancerous tumor out of you via surgery. It's pretty clear he waited 9 months. Again, this is just insane. Was he planning to give birth to it naturally first? Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Ingmar on October 12, 2011, 11:31:01 AM Hyperbole much? I'm not going to pretend that tech assembly line workers are treated wonderfully or even well, but China is not the 3rd world and the people who work at Foxconn, Jabil, Flextronics, etc., aren't children. Read this: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/7330986/Apple-admits-using-child-labour.html It details employee suicide, beatings, fines being imposed on Foxconn factories, and child labor (at least the ones Apple admitted to). Ah, 15 year olds. When I hear 'child labor' I think of 8 year old girls in textile mills making Nike t-shirts. It also seems pretty evident that Apple was proactively trying to find and deal with that particular situation. The other stuff (60+ hour work weeks, etc.) is far worse and is what you should be harping on. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: MahrinSkel on October 12, 2011, 11:40:01 AM FWIW, it's not like Apple is the only company using Foxconn to build their stuff. The others don't come up because they don't try to find out how their stuff is getting delivered 2% cheaper (that article is based on Apple's own inspections and reports). If you buy anything electronic, the chances that it didn't involve labor practices just as vile are remote.
--Dave Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Ingmar on October 12, 2011, 12:00:47 PM Yeah, I'm by no means an Apple fan but the fact that they're actually looking into that stuff themselves shouldn't really be bringing them more approbation from people.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Ironwood on October 12, 2011, 12:16:53 PM Is he still dead ?
I thought when 3 days passed, the stone rolled away. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Zaljerem on October 12, 2011, 12:32:15 PM Is he still dead ? I thought when 3 days passed, the stone rolled away. :rimshot: Well played! Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Surlyboi on October 12, 2011, 02:52:42 PM Is he still dead ? I thought when 3 days passed, the stone rolled away. That's the robot jesus. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: rk47 on October 13, 2011, 02:12:13 AM Is he still dead ? I thought when 3 days passed, the stone rolled away. No it's 3 pages later. We need to bump the thread. On a more serious note, I'm glad this place doesn't go up in candles and confessions of Mr. Jobs successful marketing when he was alive, it's strange why a lot of people pay tribute to a guy who sold them mobile phones and overpriced hardwares. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Murgos on October 13, 2011, 04:20:03 AM No it's 3 pages later. We need to bump the thread. On a more serious note, I'm glad this place doesn't go up in candles and confessions of Mr. Jobs successful marketing when he was alive, it's strange why a lot of people pay tribute to a guy who sold them mobile phones and overpriced hardwares. If for nothing else he should be respected for bringing the affordable computers to desktops. Maybe it was an idea whose time was due and would have happened in a few more years regardless but, 2 guys in a garage changed the world. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Surlyboi on October 13, 2011, 08:26:48 AM Is he still dead ? I thought when 3 days passed, the stone rolled away. No it's 3 pages later. We need to bump the thread. On a more serious note, I'm glad this place doesn't go up in candles and confessions of Mr. Jobs successful marketing when he was alive, it's strange why a lot of people pay tribute to a guy who sold them mobile phones and overpriced hardwares. Because he did a hell of a lot more than that. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: KallDrexx on October 13, 2011, 08:34:01 AM Just saw this posted somewhere :awesome_for_real:
Quote In honor of Steve Jobs' death, RIM is enacting a 3 day silence period Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Ginaz on October 13, 2011, 11:45:20 AM FWIW, it's not like Apple is the only company using Foxconn to build their stuff. The others don't come up because they don't try to find out how their stuff is getting delivered 2% cheaper (that article is based on Apple's own inspections and reports). If you buy anything electronic, the chances that it didn't involve labor practices just as vile are remote. --Dave They may not be the only company but I can't think of another CEO of a major corporation that was regarded as some sort of God Emperor by his customers that could do no wrong. Steve Jobs acted like a raging douche bag on multiple occasions and engaged in some morally questionable business practices, which makes him no different than most any other CEO of a major corporation. I never understood the hero worship he received/receives. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: RhyssaFireheart on October 13, 2011, 12:10:24 PM FWIW, it's not like Apple is the only company using Foxconn to build their stuff. The others don't come up because they don't try to find out how their stuff is getting delivered 2% cheaper (that article is based on Apple's own inspections and reports). If you buy anything electronic, the chances that it didn't involve labor practices just as vile are remote. --Dave They may not be the only company but I can't think of another CEO of a major corporation that was regarded as some sort of God Emperor by his customers that could do no wrong. Steve Jobs acted like a raging douche bag on multiple occasions and engaged in some morally questionable business practices, which makes him no different than most any other CEO of a major corporation. I never understood the hero worship he received/receives. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Trippy on October 13, 2011, 12:28:46 PM They may not be the only company but I can't think of another CEO of a major corporation that was regarded as some sort of God Emperor by his customers that could do no wrong. Steve Jobs acted like a raging douche bag on multiple occasions and engaged in some morally questionable business practices, which makes him no different than most any other CEO of a major corporation. I never understood the hero worship he received/receives. Jeff Bezos.Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: naum on October 13, 2011, 01:04:02 PM They may not be the only company but I can't think of another CEO of a major corporation that was regarded as some sort of God Emperor by his customers that could do no wrong. Steve Jobs acted like a raging douche bag on multiple occasions and engaged in some morally questionable business practices, which makes him no different than most any other CEO of a major corporation. I never understood the hero worship he received/receives. Jeff Bezos. Jack Welch (GE) has served as an icon and larger than life figure for many in the business class. When Bill Gates passes, there will be just as much hoopla as was for Jobs. Finally, Herman Cain -- while not too many knew who he was while he was commandeering Godfather Pizza, he's the leading Republican presidential contender, according to recent surveys… Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Ironwood on October 13, 2011, 01:55:26 PM I don't give two tugs of a dead dogs cock for Steve Jobs, but, yes, I will be quite sad when Bill 'passes'.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Ginaz on October 13, 2011, 03:25:18 PM I don't give two tugs of a dead dogs cock for Steve Jobs, but, yes, I will be quite sad when Bill 'passes'. I don't know much about him as a CEO (I'm sure he had his moment of bad behaviour as well), but Bill Gates seems like a nice guy who has made some very positive contributions with his money and charitable foundation. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Furiously on October 13, 2011, 09:56:01 PM He killed the newton..... I loved my soup.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Nerf on October 13, 2011, 11:04:36 PM I think it's probably been long enough I can post these now.
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/86041/stevejobs1.jpeg) (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/86041/stevejobs2.jpeg) If not, meh, it's not like anyone expects better from me. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: 01101010 on October 14, 2011, 12:40:11 PM As expected, people are lined up out the door and around the block for the new iPhone even though everyone was bitching about it being nothing more than an internal upgrade. All out of respect for Steve's passing. Seriously, that man even knows how to market death to push Apple stock. :oh_i_see:
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Ironwood on October 14, 2011, 12:41:21 PM The flash joke was funny.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Bunk on October 14, 2011, 02:15:18 PM This wasn't all that funny, but I thought it a good new use of a fairly tired old meme.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Sheepherder on October 14, 2011, 04:14:33 PM Actually, that one is funny.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Merusk on October 15, 2011, 07:23:25 PM I rather enjoyed finding this on Reddit last night.
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/704172/F13%20Photos/Jobs%20Karma.gif) Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Trippy on October 15, 2011, 07:36:48 PM It's like deja vu all over again.
Steve was a Buddhist. Reincarnation as a Foxconn assembly line worker then?Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Simond on October 18, 2011, 09:20:43 AM (http://i.imgur.com/PVLvt.png)
I don't fully agree with the sentiment, but there is a kernel of truth in it. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Trippy on October 18, 2011, 09:50:59 AM Yes but that's the fate of most people who invent "infrastructure" and then give it away. That's un-American. If only he was more like that monopolist Bill Gates, then we'd really be celebrating his life. There are others like him such as Vint Cerf, Bob Kahn, and Tim Berners-Lee who will barely get a passing reference when they die (actually Tim will probably get more than that) while the billionaire tech oligarchs will be celebrated when they die.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: K9 on October 18, 2011, 10:50:42 AM Don't forget Al Gore :why_so_serious:
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Sky on October 18, 2011, 11:50:09 AM At least Gates is using some of his obscene fortune to make the world a better place for the unfortunate. I still have 5 pcs and a few macs running that he bought, and that's the second generation of the Gates Foundation funding. He's directly helped thousands of people in this community, and you'll probably see some Gates-funded computers in any library in america. And that's just one of many programs the Foundation heads up.
So Bill is alright in my book. http://www.gatesfoundation.org/Pages/home.aspx Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Surlyboi on October 18, 2011, 12:21:42 PM :facepalm:
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: naum on October 18, 2011, 02:10:36 PM At least Gates is using some of his obscene fortune to make the world a better place for the unfortunate. I still have 5 pcs and a few macs running that he bought, and that's the second generation of the Gates Foundation funding. He's directly helped thousands of people in this community, and you'll probably see some Gates-funded computers in any library in america. And that's just one of many programs the Foundation heads up. So Bill is alright in my book. http://www.gatesfoundation.org/Pages/home.aspx First, Jobs really didn't make much of a fortune, especially in comparison to Gates, at least off Apple -- most all of his wealth came from selling Pixar to Disney. Second, Gates gets accolades for his foundation but most of the money (~95%, according to reports (http://www.commondreams.org/headlines07/0107-03.htm) is invested and only 5% goes out). Also, it funnels money into ethically challenged companies and has joined up forces with the corporatists intent on dismantling public education. Ironic, since Gates constructed his business empire on the public dime -- enjoying, thanks to the influence of affluent parents, free university computer time in an age when such resources cost $200 per hour. Not saying that all that Gates Foundation is doing is evil, but let's not cast Gates as a saint. Both are extremely driven, but flawed individuals. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Paelos on October 18, 2011, 02:18:02 PM Rockefeller and Carnegie were assholes too.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Merusk on October 18, 2011, 02:21:16 PM Woo, politics ahoy.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Paelos on October 18, 2011, 02:26:27 PM Woo, politics ahoy. Can we move the one where Sinij is bitching about F2P there too. That would be great. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: pxib on October 18, 2011, 03:59:24 PM Don't forget Al Gore :why_so_serious: A little bit on that subject (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFBfPIVJICE) from Vinton Cerf (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vint_Cerf).Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Trippy on October 18, 2011, 04:19:41 PM He and Bob Kahn wrote about it too:
http://www.eecs.umich.edu/~fessler/misc/funny/gore,net.txt Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Tannhauser on October 18, 2011, 07:22:57 PM When Jobs died Apples stock was valued around eleven times that of Starbucks. Let that sink in. Eleven times. I don't know anything about Jobs personally, who cares, but you have to respect his titanic leadership of Apple. Haters gonna hate I guess.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: naum on October 18, 2011, 10:14:46 PM (http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsnryzXshp1qb5gkjo1_400.jpg)
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: MuffinMan on October 18, 2011, 11:02:50 PM That got me good.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Ironwood on October 19, 2011, 05:22:34 AM When Jobs died Apples stock was valued around eleven times that of Starbucks. Let that sink in. Eleven times. I don't know anything about Jobs personally, who cares, but you have to respect his titanic leadership of Apple. Haters gonna hate I guess. I don't think anyone's really disputing that. I think it's more a question of 'So What Does That Really Mean ?' Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Paelos on October 19, 2011, 06:22:49 AM The stock was inflated because people are idiots.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Surlyboi on October 19, 2011, 06:54:15 AM Or perhaps, the stock is undervalued because people are idiots.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Paelos on October 19, 2011, 07:03:16 AM Or perhaps, the stock is undervalued because people are idiots. I can't as an investor get behind a company with a $400 stock price that sits on $30B in cash and doesn't pay dividends. Sorry. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Surlyboi on October 19, 2011, 07:05:22 AM Sounds like a personal problem.
I as an investor have made a metric fuckton betting on people with attitudes like yours to try to short AAPL only to see it come back stronger each time. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Ironwood on October 19, 2011, 07:14:59 AM FOOOOOOOOOOOOD FIGHT.
:oh_i_see: Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Surlyboi on October 19, 2011, 07:16:20 AM I hate split pea soup.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Paelos on October 19, 2011, 07:23:57 AM You can invest in what you like, everything is personal preference. I don't believe for a second that the company won't continue to make money for the next 5 years.
They missed earnings estimates for the first time in 9 years and it's causing a dip. They are extremely cash rich and sitting on it. They are trading total shares worth $720B at current price, turning a profit of $26B. The stock was a great buy in 2009. It was horrifically undervalued and has since quadrupled reaching new high points for it's lifetime. The sales boosts are driven almost entirely by Iphone rollouts and business decisions made in July of 2008 to June of 2009. Unless they have another revolutionary product in their back pocket like an iPhone, you won't see that growth again. It's unprecented in the lifetime of the company. Everybody knows about the successes and are buying in. It's not going to sneak up on anyone. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: lamaros on October 19, 2011, 05:39:55 PM I hate split pea soup. We get it, you like Apple and Jobs. The pic is telling us that, you don't have to make every second post in the thread one of yours. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Strazos on October 19, 2011, 06:49:56 PM Since we're talking stocks, allow stupid me to make a small tangent.
I'll admit - I don't know much about the stock market. One thing I've never understood is why a company necessarily cares about how much their stock is being traded for - if I sell some shares to Joe-Bob, why is this necessarily seen as a good thing? And another thing - in general, but especially during sell-offs...who the heck is necessarily buying? I'm under the assumption that SOMEONE has to buy for a sale to occur, but if the stock is toxic... Which I guess comes around to the question of - why does a company necessarily care so much about stock prices? If they've sold off all the shares they care to sell off, and all the volume is occurring between traders, then...who cares? Yeah, I'm no economist. :oh_i_see: I'm not even bringing up the question of how and why are bond yields and interest rates inversely related. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Trippy on October 19, 2011, 07:01:14 PM Stock holders have voting power (usually). If stock holders with enough shares are unhappy they can force a change.
If the people running the company control the company (i.e. have >50% voting shares) and they don't care about their own personal wealth then yeah they don't have to care at all what other people think about the stock price. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Strazos on October 19, 2011, 07:12:04 PM And then with the personal wealth bit...never understood how stock can be counted like that. I can't buy a soda with a stock certificate, and you only realize the worth of the stock when you sell it....and if you have enough stock to be worrying about net worth, won't it be a tad difficult to sell that all off at once, and for the price that it's all "valued" at?
Yeah, I took my mandatory econ course ages ago, but I somehow don't remember much of this being mentioned...it's entirely possible it wasn't a very good course though. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Trippy on October 19, 2011, 07:23:10 PM If you have a lot of shares that are worth a lot yes you can't unload them all at once. That's why people like Bill Gates who want the money for other purposes sell off their shares on a regular schedule. That way people don't think they are selling cause they think the stock is going to go down.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Furiously on October 19, 2011, 08:48:06 PM Dividends are paid out semi-regularly, so you get a "share" of the company's profits.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Ingmar on October 19, 2011, 10:32:49 PM For the few companies that actually pay dividends, anyway.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: lamaros on October 20, 2011, 01:34:24 AM Also if you have a decent stock price you can raise capital by offering more shares and other such suchness.
If you are undervalued then someone might come along and buy the company then fire everyone and asset strip. Yadda yadda. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Murgos on October 20, 2011, 04:27:35 AM For the few companies that actually pay dividends, anyway. The move away from regular dividend payments is IMHO one of the major causes of creating 'bad actors' in the business world. It's decoupled the long terms effects of the actions of a company's officers and the shareholders ability to hold them accountable. Having the need to pay dividends on a regular basis requires a certain amount of financial regularity and conservative action, failing to meet that need at expected levels is a fast and efficient tool for diagnosing bad behavior. Pump that stock and dump it baby. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Paelos on October 20, 2011, 06:32:00 AM I agree Murgos. It's why IMHO you should never buy the stock of an established company that doesn't pay dividends or have a plan to pay dividends (see: Apple). The main reason for retaining earnings is to do so in the early growth stages of a company, or when they undergo a major growth period due to new market potential.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Surlyboi on October 20, 2011, 08:10:16 AM I hate split pea soup. We get it, you like Apple and Jobs. The pic is telling us that, you don't have to make every second post in the thread one of yours. Not even about that. But go ahead and say it is. And honestly, I'll post any goddamn where I please. Especially if someone's got some off-the-cuff snarky comment. As for Murgos's point, it's a fairly valid one, because there are plenty of companies and boards that will shoot for just raising the stock price at the cost of everything else so they can pat themselves on the back and make moneyhats. That mentality is not and has never been any where near the core values of Apple, so Paelos's use of the company as an example doesn't hold as much water. There are exceptions to every rule. There are too many "good actors" in place to keep the shitheels at bay. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Paelos on October 20, 2011, 08:34:14 AM My use of Apple as an example is perfect actually.
They paid dividends until 95 and stopped. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Ironwood on October 20, 2011, 08:42:38 AM This is getting creepy.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Surlyboi on October 20, 2011, 08:54:30 AM My use of Apple as an example is perfect actually. They paid dividends until 95 and stopped. *Edit* Actually, fuck it. I'm gonna let it drop. No more shitting up this thread. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Engels on October 20, 2011, 10:04:55 AM I'm thinking of going as Zombie Jobs for Halloween. Mock turtleneck, iPad and zombie makeup. Too soon?
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Ironwood on October 20, 2011, 10:12:51 AM It's never too early to call your solicitor.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Paelos on October 20, 2011, 10:37:28 AM I'm thinking of going as Zombie Jobs for Halloween. Mock turtleneck, iPad and zombie makeup. Too soon? Work in iBrains, and you've got a winner. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: naum on October 20, 2011, 10:45:40 AM (http://www.bizarrocomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/bz-panel-08-08-11CLONE.jpg)
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Sand on October 20, 2011, 07:48:32 PM So according to Jobs' new authorized biography he sounds like a narcissistic personality disorder patient crossed with a conservative. Not good.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/20/steve-jobs-biography-obama_n_1022786.html Some gems include: refusing to meet with President unless Obama invited him telling President at first meeting he would be a one term president unions are ruining schools Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Quinton on October 20, 2011, 09:51:33 PM Quote In the book, Jobs revealed, “I will spend my last dying breath if I need to, and I will spend every penny of Apple’s $40 billion in the bank, to right this wrong. I’m going to destroy Android, because it’s a stolen product. I’m willing to go thermonuclear war on this.” I mean, wow, that's pretty insane. I love that he later wasted time riling up his troops about how "Google is trying to destroy iPhone". The only guy trying to destroy things here appears to be Steve. I've been working on this platform for eight years, since it was a four person startup, have been through the trenches on every release and every lead device, and the idea that Android is "stolen" from Apple is laughably absurd. Though I'd be happy to itemize all the technology we built at Danger that Apple implemented in iPhone or all the technology we've developed for Android that turned up in iOS a year or two later. *pfft* is the sound of any sympathy I had for the man evaporating. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Sand on October 21, 2011, 12:11:32 AM Yeah I thought you would love those lines Quinton but left them for you to find rather than taunt you with them. :grin:
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Margalis on October 21, 2011, 12:25:51 AM Apparently Eric Schmidt was on the board of Apple from 2006 to 2009, only then resigning due to conflict of interest. Which really does look like a shitty move. That might not mean that Android is "stolen" but I'd probably be looking to pursue legal recourse if a guy who sat on my board had his own company put out basically a clone of our flagship product.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Trippy on October 21, 2011, 12:59:44 AM Steve Jobs was infamous for holding a grudge and being vindictive towards those he believe had wronged him. It doesn't surprise me he would say such things about Android.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Quinton on October 21, 2011, 01:46:15 AM As I understand it, when it was revealed to the Apple board that Apple was working on a phone, Eric recused himself from all discussions relating to that product, citing a conflict of interest. I am skeptical that Eric had any insider knowledge of any specific details about the iPhone. Android was acquired by Google in July 2005 -- the company and the project predates Eric's involvement with Apple's board. iPhone was announced and demoed some months *after* the Android SDK launch and G1 launched about 9 months after that.
Regardless of all that, it is an industry where successful products build on earlier designs and UI idioms... something Apple has a long record of doing. I find it obnoxious that when Apple "borrows" features or technologies developed by other companies it's "brilliant innovation" and when somebody riffs on Apple features or technologies it's "copying" or "stealing". Many of the amazing novel iPhone features that Steve got massively bent out of shape about being "stolen" by Android were features that existed on numerous other devices prior to iPhone. Honestly, I would like to see the idiotic patent warfare to be set aside and for competition to return to product design, implementation, and marketing, instead of the legal departments. It's the best thing for all involved. Apple's scorched earth policy here basically will force the bulk of the mobile computing industry (which includes a lot of large companies with deep pockets and extensive IP portfolios) to defend themselves, and I can't see the outcome being happy for anyone involved in the mess. What baffles me the most is even the belief that there can only be one winner and that everyone else must lose. Apple will never own 90+% of the mobile market, Android or no, because they're a niche, premium brand and they don't offer nearly enough choice, variety, or affordability to satisfy all the areas of such a huge market. Wide-reach open products like Android are unlikely to displace Apple from their core premium device market. I think there's room for a number of participants here. In a multi-billion-person market it doesn't exactly have to be winner-take-all for companies to do well. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Surlyboi on October 21, 2011, 04:24:15 AM :facepam: :nda:
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: naum on October 21, 2011, 05:33:47 AM Here is what high-end smartphones looked like in 2007:
(http://www.marco.org/media/2010/08/20100819-01-a-smartphone-retrospective-1.png) Then this happened: (http://www.marco.org/media/2010/08/20100819-01-a-smartphone-retrospective-2.png) Soon after, other smartphones started looking like this: (http://www.marco.org/media/2010/08/20100819-01-a-smartphone-retrospective-3.png) Yeah, Apple just takes existing ideas and technology and polishes them. So does everyone else, including Google. They just, at least over the past decade, did it with much more panache. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Quinton on October 21, 2011, 05:56:15 AM That, I believe, is exactly my point. The entire history of computing has been extending the interfaces, designs, and idioms of products that went before.
Should Apple not be allowed to use windowshade notifications because Google did it first, three years ago? That'd be kinda silly, dontcha think? Similarly, should nobody ever be allowed to ship a rectangular touch-driven computing device because Apple shipped the first highly popular one? Apple makes very nice products. Apple does not have a monopoly on clever ideas -- they often borrow from others just as others borrow from them. Claiming that Android is "outright theft" is absurd and irrational and completely at odds with the reality of how the platform was developed. I do notice that I got some dates wrong above -- iPhone was announced January 2007, Android, the SDK, and the OHA were announced in fall of 2007. Sorry about that -- my poor memory there. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Surlyboi on October 21, 2011, 07:28:42 AM Claiming that Android is "outright theft" is absurd and irrational and completely at odds with the reality of how the platform was developed. Just as absurd as, "If we did not act, we faced a draconian future where one man, one company, one carrier would be our future." That door swings both ways. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Ironwood on October 21, 2011, 07:37:25 AM Where's that quote from ?
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Paelos on October 21, 2011, 07:44:30 AM Where's that quote from ? Vic Gundotra from Google in 2010. Welcome back Surlyboi! Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Quinton on October 21, 2011, 07:53:19 AM Claiming that Android is "outright theft" is absurd and irrational and completely at odds with the reality of how the platform was developed. Just as absurd as, "If we did not act, we faced a draconian future where one man, one company, one carrier would be our future." That door swings both ways. Fun fact: that quote does not refer to Apple (or at least did not, originally ^^), who were not even on the radar when Android got started. Nobody over here, that I know of, has ever vowed to "destroy iPhone" -- Apple doesn't need to "lose" for us to "win". Though I once was really grumpy after discovering my old iPod Nano had no music on it at 35000 feet and 2 hours into a 13 hour flight -- frickin' iTunes. Android was, and is, a strategic move to avoid being "locked out" of the future of computing platforms (mobile) -- ending up with Netscape's fate during the "browser wars", etc -- by providing an open platform with a level playing field for app deployment. Of course Apple also ended up in the habit of rejecting or just indefinitely not finishing the review of Google applications for iPhone. Would that policy have changed in some alternate universe where they somehow "won the smartphone wars" and have windows-pc-era-like 90+% control of the installed base? Who can say. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Surlyboi on October 21, 2011, 08:25:18 AM And no one over here that I know of, sans Steve in a fit of pique, has ever done that either.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: MuffinMan on October 21, 2011, 08:32:56 AM :popcorn:
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: naum on October 21, 2011, 08:50:54 AM Android was, and is, a strategic move to avoid being "locked out" of the future of computing platforms (mobile) -- ending up with Netscape's fate during the "browser wars", etc -- by providing an open platform with a level playing field for app deployment. I keep hearing this refrain about "open" Android, but people must have a different definition of "open" than I thought "open" meant (http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/10/20/012227/android-source-code-gone-for-good). Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: tazelbain on October 21, 2011, 08:55:51 AM http://www.itworld.com/mobile-wireless/215143/android-40-developers-will-get-their-source-code-dessert (http://www.itworld.com/mobile-wireless/215143/android-40-developers-will-get-their-source-code-dessert)
keep up old man Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: naum on October 21, 2011, 09:04:37 AM http://www.itworld.com/mobile-wireless/215143/android-40-developers-will-get-their-source-code-dessert (http://www.itworld.com/mobile-wireless/215143/android-40-developers-will-get-their-source-code-dessert) keep up old man Release AFTER is not "open". Contrast to Linux / Mozilla / Ruby / $OtherFOSSProject. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: tazelbain on October 21, 2011, 09:08:20 AM Not by RMS' standard, but who listens to him anymore. The fact is the code gets out there and people can do stuff with it. I know my company is.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Engels on October 21, 2011, 09:10:05 AM Really, that's what you're going for? Comparing it to Linux isn't quite fair, since that's not really a single entity, and the other items on your list are programs/languages, etc. Its not a whole OS that has to be actively marketed. I think its amazing and good that Google opens it up once it hits the shelf. Asking for more is just utopian delusion.
Also, Job's, 'fit of pique' doesn't jive with what else we know of Jobs. He seemed quasi religious in his fervors, which is both what made him a pretentious douchebag and successful. I think its a more interesting story to not have him be either St. Jobs or Evil Corporatist. He did, however, have that libertarian whiff to him that makes me vaguely uncomfortable. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Ingmar on October 21, 2011, 12:00:56 PM Here is what high-end smartphones looked like in 2007: (http://www.marco.org/media/2010/08/20100819-01-a-smartphone-retrospective-1.png) Then this happened: (http://www.marco.org/media/2010/08/20100819-01-a-smartphone-retrospective-2.png) Soon after, other smartphones started looking like this: (http://www.marco.org/media/2010/08/20100819-01-a-smartphone-retrospective-3.png) Yeah, Apple just takes existing ideas and technology and polishes them. So does everyone else, including Google. They just, at least over the past decade, did it with much more panache. Mmmmmhmmmm. Here's what my phone looked like in 2005. (http://sim-unlock.net/foto/12_11_06_HTC_Cingular_8125.jpg) Let's not cherry pick images just to make our point look better than it actually is shall we? Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Trippy on October 21, 2011, 12:05:07 PM You left the stylus out of the picture.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Ingmar on October 21, 2011, 12:09:13 PM You know, I forgot all about the stylus until you mentioned that. I also left out the slide-out keyboard (which is the one feature that if iPhones had it, I would really consider getting one.)
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Bungee on October 21, 2011, 12:12:05 PM Oh yes. Shiny design "patents" (http://www.osnews.com/story/25056/The_Community_Design_and_you_Thought_the_USPTO_Was_Bad/)...
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: naum on October 21, 2011, 12:21:22 PM Oh yes. Shiny design "patents" (http://www.osnews.com/story/25056/The_Community_Design_and_you_Thought_the_USPTO_Was_Bad/)... And name me a big tech company that does NOT engage in similar shenanigans? Please don't retort with Google, as they play the patent game too. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Quinton on October 21, 2011, 01:30:56 PM Google actually has never offensively sued anyone over patent issues (do note that suing somebody over a patent issue as a reaction to them suing you is a defensive action, really -- it's how you get back to the table to negotiate -- though I can't think of a case offhand where Google's done that either).
Balancing open source releases and a highly competitive world where patent lawsuits flying and you also want to encourage quality and compatibility is certainly fun -- but the facts remain that a large number of devices (even high profile things like Kindle Fire) ship without Google's assistance, permission, or even any interaction with Google at all (like Nook -- total surprise to us!) which is possible because the source is released under a highly permissive license. Anyway, I really really, was not meaning to turn the "Steve has left us" thread into some absurd slap fight about mobile OS ideologies, so sorry about that. The whole "vow to spend every last penny to kill Android" thing may have struck a nerve on my side. Maybe the most important thing to keep in mind is that it's a small industry and a small valley. The same people work with each other over and over again, at new companies and old companies, people learn from what others have done and built on what has gone before, and the end result is the state of the art keeps advancing and everyone benefits. It's unfortunate when it gets personal and more time is spent on squabbling and legal silliness than just trying to out-awesome each other product-wise. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Sir Fodder on October 21, 2011, 01:33:12 PM Standard treatment would be to immediately get the cancerous tumor out of you via surgery. It's pretty clear he waited 9 months. Ugh, how awful, I was hoping it was otherwise, still get wistful for the Apple ][ days... Denial and magical thinking: Biographer: Jobs refused early and potentially life-saving surgery (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/10/20/60minutes/main20123269.shtml?tag=cbsnewsTwoColLowerPromoArea;fd.morenews) Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: MahrinSkel on October 21, 2011, 02:11:41 PM Android's still open in the sense that the PC was "open" in pre-linux days. Anybody can write an app for Android and distribute it without permission from Google, they can take their Android phones and put a different version of Android on it, theoretically they could put an entirely different OS on it (the fact that even the linux community hasn't bothered to port for it is a sign of how little it is considered *neccessary*). If the carriers could have gotten iPhones, if Blackberry hadn't been so damned slow to create something really competitive to the Jesus Phone, or if Google hadn't been literally giving away the OS, we might still be in an environment of "Walled Gardens", where your phone did what you carrier allowed it to, and wasn't a general purpose computer that made phone calls and anything else you wanted it to.
Google got burned a bit by people churning out crappy tablets running versions of Android that just didn't work very well on tablets, rushed out Honeycomb to fill the void but didn't want that version of the OS becoming some kind of legacy benchmark they were stuck with forever. Yeah, it's a bad sign they seemed to fall into the temptation to keep the OS source locked down, but hopefully they'll get over it. Even if they don't, to the extent that Android isn't more open than other phone OS's, it's because Google has changed the landscape to one where you can't charge $10 for an "app" that just reformats a Google search. --Dave Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Quinton on October 21, 2011, 02:15:07 PM To get back a bit more on-topic, the stylus thing is a fantastic example of why Steve was brilliant. Like the mouse, he didn't *invent* the capacitive touch panel, nor did he invent gesture interfaces (which the faster, more accurate, more responsive capacitive panels made more natural and fluid). But he did recognize the value and aesthetics of it, and decided to spend the money and engineering resources to put it in a product and decide to make it *the* user interface, not some experiment or add-on. Very much like adopting the mouse and the still young direct manipulation graphical user interface for Lisa and Mac.
I firmly believe that it would be unreasonable to disallow all future products from other vendors to adopt capacitive touch just as it would be unreasonable to disallow the rest of the industry to adopt mouse based computing. But by doing it first, taking the risk, getting out in front, Apple stole a march on the rest of the industry, sold a lot of devices at margins their competitors envy, and maintained their value as a creator premium and not commodity products. Which is completely reasonable and more power to them! Dave: the pity of it is you just can't win. On one hand we are constantly getting shouted at to take more control, prevent OEMs from customizing the platform in ugly ways, etc. On the other hand, any action to try to do so (say holding off on wide-open access to the HC source until coherent support for both phone and tablet form-factors is ironed out) brings shouts of evil and closed! Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Ingmar on October 21, 2011, 04:17:34 PM Also the "but Android isn't open either!" counter argument frankly falls flat given it is still light years more open overall.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: TripleDES on October 21, 2011, 06:12:55 PM The more quotes from his biography crop up, the more I'm glad that this insufferable fuckhead is off the stage.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Margalis on October 21, 2011, 07:39:22 PM You might be disappointed to learn that many if not most of the movers and shakers throughout history had a touch of crazy to them.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Paelos on October 21, 2011, 09:12:58 PM You might be disappointed to learn that many if not most of the movers and shakers throughout history had a touch of crazy to them. Absolutely. Most of them are cut-throat dickheads. Most of the greats are great because they never get satisfied, and they are never really happy with anything. They are detail-oriented, and drive everyone around them batshit crazy because they try to get into every little thing they can. HOWEVER, what can separate the greats and the tyrants is how much crazy they let out, and which personal vendettas they follow with the power they amass. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Sir Fodder on October 22, 2011, 12:11:17 PM Nah, the real movers and shakers are decent humble people who are mostly absent from the pages of history, the arrogant and ignorant ones mostly get the attention. I liked that Pericles quote from Civ V about the story of peoples lives not being only represented in a tombstone but woven into the stuff of the whole world, unnoticed.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: UnSub on October 22, 2011, 09:12:55 PM The more quotes from his biography crop up, the more I'm glad that this insufferable fuckhead is off the stage. If you paid attention to the stories to Jobs it's easy to see that he was a charming visionary who had no problems gutting anyone / anything that stood in his way. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Paelos on October 23, 2011, 07:18:46 AM Nah, the real movers and shakers are decent humble people who are mostly absent from the pages of history, the arrogant and ignorant ones mostly get the attention. I liked that Pericles quote from Civ V about the story of peoples lives not being only represented in a tombstone but woven into the stuff of the whole world, unnoticed. I disagree, but ok. To me a mover and shaker actually moves and shakes the world. They are a force. Not a silent change. The majority of the worlds changes have been made by humble silent people, but movers and shakers are loud, boisterous, and arrogant. Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Mrbloodworth on October 26, 2011, 08:31:24 AM EDIT: Lets me put this somewhere better.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Vaiti on October 26, 2011, 08:40:30 AM When I saw Bloodworth had posted on this I thought he might have rushed in to tell everyone Steve Jobs had died.
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Mrbloodworth on October 26, 2011, 08:50:01 AM :roll:
Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Samwise on October 26, 2011, 09:15:44 AM Title: Re: Steve Jobs has passed Post by: Evildrider on November 19, 2011, 09:44:31 PM So looks like it's between George Clooney and Noah Wyle to play Steve Jobs in the upcoming movie. I think it would be great for Wyle to get it, I liked his take on Jobs in Pirates of Silicon Valley.
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