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on a related note, anyone test driving the Google Music Beta?

Uh, I know people who are in the music beta, and they are talking all about it, so I don't think their is an NDA.

Is any of this actually going to stick or is it going to turn out like Buzz? It seems a lot of Google products never gain mass appeal and just limp along after a while.

Oh yeah, Google Music fucking rocks. I wish they had a few more sorting methods for your songs, but other than that, its really great.

Someone that is in the beta, please clicky the following and hook us up  :grin:

http://howto.cnet.com/8301-11310_39-20075805-285/how-to-invite-your-pals-to-google/?tag=TOCmoreStories.0

On a related note, I really like the Plus-style theme they added to Gmail today.

I'm sure they knew about the loophole from the very beginning and were monitoring it to see how many people were using it. Viral invite trick but when it hit critical mass they closed it.

People have been selling invites on ebay.  :uhrr:

So the "share a post with people who aren't on" no longer works?

Don't know if we want to set up a F13 circle or not, but  if so  I'll go ahead and throw out my plus profile

 Plus Profile  (https://plus.google.com/109947824085975014595)

If anyone has loose invites, please send one my way.  Thanks a ton!

Don't know if we want to set up a F13 circle or not, but  if so  I'll go ahead and throw out my plus profile

 Plus Profile  (https://plus.google.com/109947824085975014595)

Never got the email, they must be blocking.  No worries at all and thanks again for trying.  

As I'm looking over JWIV's profile (because it's the only one I've seen so far, sorry mate!), I find it interesting how much data is allowed out there.  I'm hoping you made all that available and there's options to tone that back if necessary.  

It's also interesting that I can see a pool of all people you have in your circles and who has you in circles, yet I can't see how those circles are arranged.  For myself, that still seems like entirely too much data that is public.  

Damn, Google+ is not compatible with IE6. Guess I'll have to find something productive to do at work. :awesome_for_real:

Still using IE6?

Really? Seriously?

What company is it, so I can steer my money away from the brain-dead security minded…?

I've been trying not to do a lot of meta posts about Google+, because if there is one thing I learned from the Android launch it is this: nothing anyone says right now matters.

The press coverage when we launched Android was all over the map, good and bad. (My favorite is still Ballmer's "Android is just words on paper", said ~5 days before we released the first SDK.) Not a lot of it was accurate, and it's pretty safe to say that nobody really predicted where we'd end up. Certainly I don't recall anyone predicting 500,000 new device activations a day, within around two and a half years.

So I am completely ignoring anything anyone says about Google+, because I know that the only thing that actually matters -- and indeed if you think about it, the only thing that actually can matter -- is the dedication and execution of the team. And right now, it's damned hard to argue with their hustle.

I can't even imagine where this thing will be in 2.5 years.

Still using IE6?

Really? Seriously?

What company is it, so I can steer my money away from the brain-dead security minded…?

For example, Intel was still using it as of last year. Google tells me lots of financial institutions are as well.  SO, yeah, we wonder why there's been tons of hacks.

Google (not universally, but most of their services) and many other purveyors of online web services (as well as sites I support) do not support IE6, and have not for at least a year or more.

As I wrote this, I pulled up some analytics, both for personal blog traffic and organizational sites I tend to -- in both cases, IE 6 amounted to barely over 1% of all IE users for both sets of data.

Surprising thing is that IE usage now, even on the organizational sites (which skew older, and less tech literate, most likely those who surf with the default settings), has now dipped under 50% -- still in lead at 47%, but Firefox at 21%, Safari at 14%, Chrome at 11%, and Android growing large at 5% (though iPod + iPhone + iPad is also at 5% too). OS usage -- 72% Win, ~15% Mac (not counting 5% on iPod/iPad/iPhone). Again, these are mainly for a religious/non-profit organization -- main site + blogs + other offshoot sites.

On personal blogs, mostly on Tumblr, which represents a far younger and tech savvy crowd (and Mac faithful, which is not necessarily also tech-savvy ;)), IE is ~12%, dwarfed by Chrome (34%), Firefox (27%), and Safari (25%). OS usage still tilts Win, but not by much -- Win (54%), Mac (39%).

Probably the figures here skew heavy Windows, as most game developers still myopically ignore Mac market…

Sorry, went off on a tangent, as I was perusing the numbers… …TL:DR, IE6 comprises a little over 1% of ALL IE (running the gamut from IE 6 (well, I did note 1 user with IE 5.5!) - IE9) users.

Hey Everyone,

I wanted to thank everyone for the great feedback you have all provided. We are starting to iterate on solutions to some of the first round of obvious issues, so keep checking back to see what's changing =)

As several people have mentioned in other posts, I'm the Technical Lead of the Social Graph team. We are responsible for most of the parts in the product that allow you to view/edit/find circles or people.

I work very closely with Consumer Operations, Project Managers, other leaders on the team, UX designers and the like to help triage all of the incoming feedback and decide the priorities and solutions. Over the last few days I've received close to 100 emails/posts about ideas. I've been completely quiet with public posts, but I think it's about time I at least tell you all that I've received your feedback and I'm in the process of working with others to triage it. Here is an unordered/incomplete list of the types of feedback social graph has been receiving:

* Some way of having hierarchical or sub-circles or some way of doing set logic (This and this but not that).
* Easier way of dragging people from one circle to another.
* Reordering circles
* Gets a little "clunky" sometimes, freezes up, etc..
* "Sharing" your circle.
* Filtering suggestion by high school / employer / etc...
* Easier to reciprocate relationships
* Too many random people following me, don't want to block them, but don't want to see them either.
* Out of sync if you add someone from the top bar, they aren't in the main page.
* Lots of duplicates in suggestions
* Inconsistent results in autocomplete.
* Import groups from gmail, orkut, etc..
* I want my vanity domain to work.

I've received tons of feedback about other parts of the product as well, and I've sent them to the right people...this post is only focusing on my team's responsibilities.

We are already working on addressing a lot of your feedback, so, like I mentioned before, keep checking back. If I don't write back, it's only because of the volume of feedback I've received. You guys, our users, rock! So, keep banging on our product, we hope to make it the best social network on the planet!

Cheers,

Eric

Bah no support for Google Apps domain's :heartbreak:

It's in the works.  I'm annoyed that it wasn't ready at field trial launch and that some day I'll have to move everything over from my (otherwise unused) @gmail.com account to my domain account.

No problem. If anyone else needs in let me know. Given that they doubled the pool I suspect there is a fair amount of space still for early adopters to get in.

I'm in as well...If we want to have some sort of F13 network (even though you can't create centralized groups, for now), maybe we should reveal our seekret real name and surname :P (in private, of course...*naughty*)

Ok, I'm in. Anyone need invites or want in my circle who already is in?

I'd love to add more folks to my circles, so what's the easiest way to do that without PMing my email and/or name to everyone?  Doesn't make it easier.

Holy hell, Naum!  How do you have that many people in your circles already?  Are you a friend whore? :p

I'd love to add more folks to my circles, so what's the easiest way to do that without PMing my email and/or name to everyone?  Doesn't make it easier.

Just look for "Naum".

I think I am the only "Naum" on G+. If not, pick the pensive looking dude in the hockey helmet. Or not.

Looking for people from here? You could do some internet stalking, narrow us down by mutual friends.

Gotcha added.

Ok the hangout section is the coolest thing. You can video chat with friends or text base chat and it supports drop in/drop out. It also pushes synced youtube videos to everyone, anyone in the chat can change videos or jump to periods of time in videos that effects everyone else in the hangout. It works like the Netflix party on Xbox 360, pretty freaking cool.

Dear Google, if your privacy controls are WORSE than facebook, you will fail.

(on facebook I can limit my profile to be only visible to people I have added as friends, on Google+ my name, picture, sex, and "motto" all only have one setting: "anyone on the web")  :mob:

option on your About page where you can set yourself to not come up in searches. I guess that's better than nothing.

Google+ has decided to send me LOTS of emails to notify me that Haemish and JWIV have added me.  Twelve so far.

I seem to have the CHAT WITH YOUR CIRCLES pop-up bug that pops up every single time I open it to the main page - even after I set it up properly. Definitely beta...

I've used two selling points.  First, G+ appears to be better about privacy than FB at this time.  Second, G+ allows data to feed from FB, not the other way. 

Could you expand a little bit upon these? From what I tell I see not much difference in privacy settins between the two and I've seen no feature that lets data to feed from facebook. As soon as G+ comes out with business pages we'll get a better idea on how much data they are giving them about us. Probably everything you make public, just like facebook.

If both services had the same people I know on them I would choose Google+ simply because the Android app is better about pushing notifications but that's it for me.

1) Only Nerds seem to care about Privacy settings. (people probably should, but they don't)
2) How does Google get people to migrate?  Critical mass is a big deal for Social Networks.

The only thing that G+ doesn't do that it probably should is allow you to have completely different profiles and front-names that you could give to different circles.

While Google Plus is mildly interesting, I'm not seeing anything that will make people want to drop Facebook.  I showed it to my Wife and son, and they were both, "that's neat but I already have Facebook"

Same thing as Mrs. Naum, though she liked the "Hangout" feature… …but her initial response was "this is much more complicated than Facebook, Facebook is easy to use…"…

2) How does Google get people to migrate?  Critical mass is a big deal for Social Networks.

I was thinking along those lines the other day but make it that I can give nicknames, maybe have it display it to me in parentheses with their name. It's nice that they give you a spot for "Other Names" on your profile, although I don't really want people to be able to Google search my username and find me.

My circles consist of more f13 than non at this point.

Which is why it would be so nice to have separate profiles. If they for instance searched my real name I would come up, and if they searched Goumindong my profile that i want to use for f13/other sites would come up.

The only way someone should know my real name is connected with Goumindong is if they are in a circle of mine that shows the Goumindong profile and a circle that shows the "real name" profile.

I suppose its possible to hack with two G+ accounts but it really should be possible with one.

Dear Google, if your privacy controls are WORSE than facebook, you will fail.

(on facebook I can limit my profile to be only visible to people I have added as friends, on Google+ my name, picture, sex, and "motto" all only have one setting: "anyone on the web")  :mob:

Oh yeah, Google Music fucking rocks. I wish they had a few more sorting methods for your songs, but other than that, its really great.

I attended a two-day google apps training thing, mostly useless. But the instructor got a bit tired of me hammering on him about how searching is great, but sorting is critical. He kept trying to weasel around the fact that sorting in google apps blows.

The circles thing kinda plays into that. One example of an evasion around sorting from the session: I told him I'm appalled there's no column sorting in gmail. He said "well, with searching and labels you don't need to!" I then gave him about a dozen reasons I and others need to on a daily basis. No answer. So circles is their thing, like labels is. It's the answer you'll get, and if it doesn't work, you're just not thinking googlethink and should probably shut up.

Simple example - on my phone Huddles are prominent and easily accessible. Can I find them on the web UI? Can I bollocks.

I'm not sure what to do with you if you don't have "f13" somewhere in your profile.

Figured I'd ask this here.

Anyone else use google music? I was wondering if it was possible to search my music collection on my PC from my phone? Like say I want to hear an album from my PC that I didn't upload to the cloud yet, can I use my phone to find the album on my PC, and have it automatically upload to the cloud thus allowing me to hear it on my phone?

I kinda messed with it and it looks like the only way to play music on my phone is if it's either:
On my phone already
On the cloud already

Figured I'd ask this here.

Anyone else use google music? I was wondering if it was possible to search my music collection on my PC from my phone? Like say I want to hear an album from my PC that I didn't upload to the cloud yet, can I use my phone to find the album on my PC, and have it automatically upload to the cloud thus allowing me to hear it on my phone?

I kinda messed with it and it looks like the only way to play music on my phone is if it's either:
On my phone already
On the cloud already

Uhh, I don't, but then I'm not sure if I'm linked to you since I don't have all the RL/online names figured out yet.  I do have my online name in the nicknames field though.

I do have my online name in the nicknames field though.

That's because I believe Huddle is a mobile only feature, at least for now.

Anyone else use google music?

We're sorry. Music Beta is currently only available in the United States.
 :mob:

I'm in but haven't really messed with it much since the original install, haven't really found a need for it. Doesn't it monitor your folder and update the cloud immediately, sort of like Dropbox does?

Open my phone software, find the album on my PC, and stream only it. Hopefully in the future with google music this will be possible.

Anyone else use google music? I was wondering if it was possible to search my music collection on my PC from my phone? Like say I want to hear an album from my PC that I didn't upload to the cloud yet, can I use my phone to find the album on my PC, and have it automatically upload to the cloud thus allowing me to hear it on my phone?

1) No way to stop crazyinabadway friend X from displaying publicly that they've put you in a circle.
2) No way to hide circles from seeing each other.   You can hide circles but not selectively filter them vs each other.
3) No way to have pseudonym connections.   Real name on at least one profile is fine but there are plenty of people I'd like to connect with and not let them know who I am.

Your life sounds complicated.

Your life sounds complicated.

G+ is just an efficient way to let algorithms be fed by priming humans -- while parts of the Google web plex are entirely detached (i.e., Reader, Google Apps), it's yoked to Google profiles. And the Google team has released some statements that they don't want non-real-name users and will scrub those who do, and that if you want a "page" for a brand or company or organization, that's coming down the pike.

I do have my online name in the nicknames field though.

1) No way to stop crazyinabadway friend X from displaying publicly that they've put you in a circle.

I agree with this one and it's annoying.  I've already seen random people I don't know adding me to their circles.  This at first confused me because I specified that I shouldn't be searchable, but it seems like people are traversing other people's pages and seeing who they have in their circle and moving through there. 

I'd suspect people are just trying to build circles at this point considering people on G+ are a bit sparse right now. Having few people in your circles means nothing going on with G+ streams/huddles and thus people move back to facebook. Activity is going to be key, and right now (yes I realize they have not opened the flood gates yet) G+ is a ghost town for a lot of people which means those people are going to have a hard time putting any value into it over other social netwerkz.

No, the random people I have found doing this are people trying to advertise their businesses (recruiters, real estate agents, etc) so they can force their ads and proposals on you via the "incoming" stream.

3) No way to have pseudonym connections.   Real name on at least one profile is fine but there are plenty of people I'd like to connect with and not let them know who I am.

Uhh, I don't, but then I'm not sure if I'm linked to you since I don't have all the RL/online names figured out yet.  I do have my online name in the nicknames field though.

Social networking, you're doing it wrong.

I do have "Yegolev [F13]" as an Other Name.  I searched for your handle and found someone communicating with Craig Dalrymple, so I bet on that horse.

Although there isn’t a list of what the most criticized features are (or lack thereof), the responses to Gundotra’s post are very telling. Here’s the ones we managed to extract from the 200+ comments he has received so far, most of which have had multiple +1 upvotes:

    Ability to modify circles a post is shared with after posting it
    Reading sparks and +1 comments in the Android app
    Lifting of the 5000 circle cap (really?)
    The ability to overlap circles
    Option of a circle that doesn’t show up in your stream
    Menu follows you down the stream as you scroll
    Easy private messaging option including to person who starts a thread
    Google+ app for other platforms (WP7)
    Blocking working 100% of the time
    Easy way to merge circles
    Sharing and refresh updates in the Android app
    Link to hide all comments again after you’ve clicked to show all
    Better integration of Google Chat with Google+
    Fix issues with instant upload for photos
    Ability to share with all circles, but with an “except” option
    Ability to share Google Docs and Calendar with circles
    Revamp Google Reader to make sharing easier
    File-sharing integration
    Nested comments
    Addition of hashtags to aid searching

As you can see, most of the requests are for more control and more integration with other Google services. There also seems to be a big push for the Android app to be improved quickly.

That ability to hide your name, use different names, that's critical IMO. I don't want you crazies to know who I really am, no offense. My online life and my real life are strictly separate. I also want to stay far away from people who don't understand why it'd be important.

Lots of people want hashtags. I don't know why. It's one part of twitter I've never understood, but maybe that's because I have no desire or interest in seeing what "the cloud" thinks about a particular topic.

I'd like to be able to pay attention to some topics they write about (maybe neat gaming or technical stuff) but ignore others (perhaps crazy extreme political views).

Tagging would be awesome. I can see wanting to use it as both social tool and a personal blogging tool, but I hate the idea of bogging my friend's feeds with my musings on software development.

There are a *lot* of features in the pipe. 

I've just noticed Google search results page now has my G+ bar along the top of it. Is that new or have I been somewhat unobservant previously?

I am sure we'll all die by this IBM Soviet Russia Microsoft China The Olsen Twins Facebook Google thing one day.

I treat it like a horrible love child between Facebook and Twitter and use the "Following" circle to follow interesting Internet people. It makes for a pretty fun feed. My friends have largely moved to G+ which help though.

Like who? And how do you find anyone?

You can at least find most of the f13 crowd just by searching for "f13." Unless you already have and I just don't know who you are.

I don't get it.  Maybe it's because I've logged in once?

I don't get it.  Maybe it's because I've logged in once?

Meh... if I really wanted to stalk the stars I'd be on Twitter. 140 characters would probably be all I could stomach.

Read #4.  G+ isn't for business yet.  I think they're trying to incorporate them in a different fashion, to split up personals from businesses. 

http://blogs.forbes.com/insidearm/2011/07/14/5-things-small-businesses-must-know-about-google-plus/

If anyone's still using this, +1's got an upgrade

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-20097244-93/google-beefing-up-its-1-button/?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20

persisting with total lack of sorting

It's GOOGLE. Google searches, they don't sort. You're just doing it wrong, because nobody needs to sort information. Trust Google, they know better. They have lots of money. It's just in giant random piles because nobody can sort it. Who would want to?

Um, sorry, what's the problem with Google Apps sorting ?

Um, sorry, what's the problem with Google Apps sorting ?

It's Friday and that was a while ago and I utterly ignore most of the apps. So just go ahead and call me a cunt now.

I would assume you get better advertising ROI if you can guarantee you are showing ads to real people?  Not that I know anything about advertising.

According to this, Google+ is primarily an “identity service."
http://gigaom.com/2011/08/29/its-official-google-wants-to-own-your-online-identity/

Added search (may take a while to roll out to all) of Google+ posts and ability to save searches.  Big plus over FB, though I think most of my RL "friends" have totally shunned Google+ except for a few.

Their obvious insistence that search was what we were getting and fuck all us who want sorting is what's led me to remove the G+ bookmark from my browser now.

Really, it's useless for what I want it for. It doesn't replace Facebook or Twitter and is less functional than either. It's downward spiral has started and 6 months from now it'll be lumped in with Buzz as another failed attempt by Google to kill Facebook.

Fuck searches. There is nothing I want to search for on a social network. I want to see what the fuck is going on right now and backtrack a day maybe. I do not give two shits about something that happened 4 days ago to someone's dog named Sampson. Sort > search. I know it might be google's thing, but there are things (LIKE EVERY GOD DAMN FORUM) that need sort by: as a condition.

Seriously... I like google+ but the lack of simple functions is grating to the point of not even fucking with it anymore save for the local stream and tagging a location of where I am to it.

So Facebook = WoW and Buzz = War and G+ = Rift?  :why_so_serious:

I am pretty sure the thing that causes the biggest content on Facebook is interface changes, actually. The particularly tech-savvy people are clued into the security stuff, but I see far more bitching every time they move a button and someone can't find how to get to their pictures or whatever.

Until some fucking jackoff at the top realizes that "Everything invisible by default" should ALWAYS be the starting point, they will never unseat assbook.

Really, it's useless for what I want it for. It doesn't replace Facebook or Twitter and is less functional than either. It's downward spiral has started and 6 months from now it'll be lumped in with Buzz as another failed attempt by Google to kill Facebook.

Uh... yeah... if you change your Facebook language to "English (US)" then Facebook switches to a news feed that is very like G+'s... i.e. the "Most Recent" option is gone and you're left with an unsortable feed of what Facebook considers your "top stories".

Please don't tell me that Facebook's response to G+ is going to be to ape the worst aspects of it?

:facepalm:

I just made a comment about Facebook looking like PHP-Nuke with a structure like a Gawker Network site. I have NO idea what they're doing, and you would think I might - I don't.

The company also unveiled a new version of its app network, which also is launching over coming weeks.

Facebook users now can see what their friends are doing "in real time," even if those friends don't click a button to publish their activities to Facebook. By approving certain music apps, a Facebook user would allow the site to post every song he or she listened to on music-streaming service Spotify, for example.

Zuckerberg called this "real-time serendipity."

This is "the most significant change we've made to our platform since we launched it four years ago," Facebook CTO Bret Taylor said.

To promote this real-time sharing, Facebook announced partnerships with Yahoo News, Netflix, Hulu, Spotify, foodie social network Foodspotting and others. These companies have created Facebook apps that can post all of a person's activities on Facebook's new "ticker," which appears in the top right-hand corner of the site's homepage.

Zuckerberg called this a "frictionless experience," since users don't have to click a button to publish each of their activities. If they watch a TV show on Netflix, and they've approved Netflix's app, that information would just automatically appear on Facebook.

The changes will no doubt raise some privacy concerns, and some Internet users who were watching the presentation reacted negatively.

"Get ready for over-sharing," one Twitter user wrote.

"This is just WAY too much sharing. The end of privacy," a Facebook user wrote on the company's live stream page.

I don't need to know every little thing my friends are doing.

Class at 830 is done. Now go home and get ready for work, and do some hw. Than work till 1030, do more hw. And get up to do it all over again.

Oct 6th is my facebook death date. Two weeks to wait till your account is "deleted" from the time you put in the request is a bit much, but I understand why. I really question the need for Facebook to report every single activity a person is doing. If I volunteer this information (I initiate a post on being at a restaurant or what movie I get done watching) for a post, it's my choice to share that... now that choice is being eliminated in favor of an automatic system of updates all so facebook gets a more complete picture of your lifestyle IN ORDER TO ADVERTISE MORE SHIT TO YOU. I get that it's a business and this is the model that might seem more lucrative, but if it kills your customer base... well I guess when you are so huge that culling off a few million is ok if the other billion keep your money coming in. Any hope of facebook realizing people do not want this shit and the previous model was best is really moot at this point and determined the end of my account for me.

G+ is now a default and I am really agitated by the little things it doesn't do or does completely wrong to not using it as much, or if at all.

And actually they've added something very useful - the ability to selectively filter the types of post you see from every single person separately.

“**Do me a favor: please hover over my name here, wait for the box to load and then hover over the "Subscribe" link. Then uncheck the "Comments and likes" choice. I would rather my comments on friends' posts not be made public. Thanks** Then repost if you don't want your EVERY MOVE posted on the right for everyone to see”

Supposedly before you could select if your comments on other friends posts or pictures were posted to see. Now its done automatically, and if the complainers are right you can't turn it off.

I keep seeing this posted by people:

Do people not know that friends could see their activity before they just had to click on your name first. Now it's in a ticker and people are pissed?

Actually, quite a bit has changed, in the sense that if you are at certain sites and logged into Facebook, you no longer hit the 'like' button to share interesting things, everything is automatically shared - what you read, what you listen to, what you watch.  I think this is limited to 'partner' sites such as Spotify, Netflix and the Washington Post for now.

I suppose the key here is to not be constantly on Facebook.  But why anyone would want everyone to know everything they do on the internet is beyond me.  I read plenty of articles, for example, but don't endorse that point of view, and hence, wouldn't share with anyone.  

Also, while I loved the feature in Napster (when it launched) where you could see other users' music collections, I really don't give a shit what my friends are listening to, since music is not a commonality with my friends.  My friends span decades in ages and are miles apart culturally and politically, often.  I'd rather find out what people I don't know but share tastes with are listening to, than what my friends are listening to.  So that's completely worthless to me.

Too much sharing is bad.  Sometimes, (maybe even often), the more you know about someone, the less you like them. The problem lies in having douchebag friends, not facebook itself, imo.

It can be damaging as well to share too much, and I'm not even talking about sharing risky or outlier behaviors, but such a thing as political party, for example.  I live in an intolerant community (that prides itself on tolerance, ironically).  People who are considered to not have the correct beliefs are discriminated again (pointed out, talked about, and so on).  There are people who refuse to patronize certain businesses because of this.  

I wouldn't expect a 27 year old who has never had to look for a job (like Mark Zuckerberg) to understand any of this.

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The problem lies in having douchebag friends, not facebook itself, imo.

Then don't do any of this. Turn it all off. If a friend is oversharing then hide their shit or unfriend them.

Actually, quite a bit has changed, in the sense that if you are at certain sites and logged into Facebook, you no longer hit the 'like' button to share interesting things, everything is automatically shared - what you read, what you listen to, what you watch.  I think this is limited to 'partner' sites such as Spotify, Netflix and the Washington Post for now.

It shows up on your wife's ticker only if she can see your ex's photos. I bet she looks through your ex's profile regularly anyways to see what you are hiding from her. :why_so_serious:

Whenever you visit a web page that contains a Facebook button or widget, your browser is still sending details of your movements back to Facebook, Cubrilovic says.

"Even if you are logged out, Facebook still knows and can track every page you visit," Cubrilovic wrote in a blog post.

"The only solution is to delete every Facebook cookie in your browser, or to use a separate browser for Facebook interactions."

The findings come after technology industry observer Dave Winer declared Facebook was scaring him because the new interface for third-party developers allows them to post items to your Facebook feed without your intervention. This has been dubbed "frictionless sharing".

So, how do I go about filling up my freshly made F13 circle with your precious personal data ?   :grin:

You don't find us, we find you.

You can find a few if you search for "f13" under people. After you add a couple I'm sure more will come up as friend suggestions.

I found Raph.... and ...some people... I think.

Yeah, apparently Spotify shares your shit with Facebook even if you never told it to.

Yeah, apparently Spotify shares your shit with Facebook even if you never told it to.

According to a Spotify representative: "New accounts require Facebook to log in and this is a worldwide initiative.

You don't find us, we find you.

You can find a few if you search for "f13" under people. After you add a couple I'm sure more will come up as friend suggestions.

It seems that when you are like me and 99% use Facebook through your phone, you can ignore almost all the rage.  I haven't noticed any changes here and I still have a somewhat enjoyable FB experience since I do it all through my phone.

Did you check what the latest version of the FB app wanted permissions for?  Basically everything, including your texts, browser history, physical location, and call log.

--Dave

I don't use Android, I have a Windows Phone, and I don't even use the FB app, I use the built in FB news feed viewer functionality.

So it didn't have to ask you for permission.

--Dave (if it's not providing that info, soon FB will break that utility so you have to use their app)

So, is this really going to compete well with Facebook, or is it another Google thing that would be forgotten about in a few months?

I reactivated my account and the only active people I know on it are either posting everything to everything through a third party program or they work for google.

G+ is mainly useful so I can know what Felicia Day is thinking at any hour of the day.

Isn't that true in Facebook as well? I don't use it often, so maybe there is subtlety I'm missing.

My main reason for liking G+ right now? Most of the people on Facebook aren't there.

G+ is mainly useful so I can know what Felicia Day is thinking at any hour of the day.

I use Twitter for that.  Is G+ better ?  Do we get tastefully clothed and posed pics ?

Umm...I'll leave it to your own judgement  :oh_i_see:

She really is rather pretty in a strange way.

True story tho :  I have a friend who looks exactly like her except blonde.  It just doesn't work.  At all.

If only the drop were true.... (http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2011/10/09/google-plus-traffic-down-60/)

An interesting rant about Google's problem with building platforms. (http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3101876) I've been figuring that G+ was a need basic building block that they would use for all of their other apps, but it sounds like that may not be the case. It does seem like sharing in Reader should have been folded into G+ by this point. It will be interesting to see what the social app world will look like next year.

Just got an email from Diaspora, the decentralised social network (peer to peer) that was going to save us all from Facebook and Google: https://joindiaspora.com

They're asking for $25 donations :(

An interesting rant about Google's problem with building platforms. (http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3101876) I've been figuring that G+ was a need basic building block that they would use for all of their other apps, but it sounds like that may not be the case. It does seem like sharing in Reader should have been folded into G+ by this point. It will be interesting to see what the social app world will look like next year.

I was just coming here to post this. Fascinating post, really.

I didn't find anything earth shattering about it -- it's a rant that just about any developer / programmer could issue, in frustations working for any $BigCompany.

That said, it sure does sound like Google doesn't know what it wants to be, that Amazon, Apple and others have much more coherent company telos.

Google needs some of Apple's focus on making things that just work for the customer. 

Google needs some of Apple's focus on making things that just work for the customer. 

Working with a tech-wannabe who is absolutely religious about google docs doesn't help much. I think it's infringing on his mac cultism. Maybe it's a similar phenomenon, they can be all martyr that people just don't get it or something.

I've been in IT all my life and I find people who have a 'fascination' of one company or tech over another utterly baffling.  I've always been about 'I want it to do something, does it do it ?'

I like Google Docs for the word processor and spreadsheet.  For my needs, I find MS Word to be bloated with features; ditto Excel. 

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/20/google-will-get-new-features-and-new-users-executive-says/

So, pseudonyms in the works.

I use Google+ to speak to a handful of other people about a project we are working on together. That's it.

If Google doesn't want G+ to die a quick death they really have to act fast.

Every big company eventually over-extends. This was it.

It's just like that open letter said though :  they don't really have a strategy.

Google seems to build empty structures then try and find people to use them and give them purpose whereas other companies start with a purpose and build that structure to fit.

Shortly after Google launched its new social network in June, many companies—including several online magazines, Slate among them—attempted to create “brand profiles” on the service. The rush was a testament to Google’s power to drive a flood of users to any new site it launches. Though Google+ was pretty rough around the edges, many observers called it a credible alternative to Facebook, so it made sense for companies to get in on the ground floor.

Yet Google seemed completely surprised by this turn of events. A product manager posted a message discouraging businesses from creating Google+ profiles, and the company began shutting down the profiles posted by renegade firms. This prompted many creative workarounds—TechCrunch jokingly created a page for a fellow named Techathew Cruncherin—but Google was unmoved. (Cruncherin’s profile was shut down.) The episode illustrated a persistent and likely fatal problem for Google’s effort to take on Facebook: There’s nothing to do on Google+, and every time someone figures out a possible use for it, Google turns out the lights.

Slate's article on why Google+ sucks.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/09/google-plus-pages_n_1083919.html#comments

I know this sounds unfair: Facebook had years to add all the features it has now, so why should we demand that Google create a perfect substitute at launch time? But that’s just the thing—taking on a behemoth like Facebook is an unfair fight. Google seems to think about its social network in the same way it thinks of any other kind of software—as a “product” that it can design step-by-step, starting with a small number of innovative features and working up from there.

I am toying a round with building my own social networking site.  (I know that's retarded)

So my question is why does F13.net exist when Facebook or Google+ do the same without the server bills?

If you need to ask why F13 "succeeds" where Facbook doesn't, then you really shouldn't be working on a social media site (if you are serious about it at least).

I thought the question was why F13 even exists in a world where Facebook and Google+ are available?  A very reasonable question to ask if you want to introduce a new product into that space and not loose your shirt!

So far here I haven't been forced to reveal anything that would connect my presence here with my physical self; there is almost no way for my employer, my financial institution, my creditors, business contacts, my wife's ex, marketers, political marketers, religious zealots, neighbors, enemies, crackpots, identity thieves, or anyone else I interact with or wish to avoid interacting with in the real world to figure out that I'm even on this site much less which posts are mine unless I choose to tell them; I'm fairly confident that nobody is selling information about my reading/posting habits, interests, or anything else I reveal here; we have moderators who actually moderate if things get out of hand and outright ban those who are just plain untrainable or unwilling to learn how to behave themselves.

It is a place where I've found people with similar interests and oftentimes interesting viewpoints from whom I can learn stuff about some topics that interest me and with whom I can exchange ideas, banter and bullshit in the limited context of those shared interests, with full accountability within that community for my behavior within that community but without any repercussions crossing over into other communities in which I am involved.  What happens on F13 stays on F13 and isn't used against me anywhere else, and vice versa.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/196017994/diaspora-the-personally-controlled-do-it-all-distr?ref=live

Time for a second round of Kickstarter.