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Title: Summon bigger fish
Post by: UnSub on October 27, 2009, 04:25:01 AM
3m Great White meets 5m Great White; ends badly for 3m shark. (http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,26265642-948,00.html)

(http://www.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,7105461,00.jpg)


Title: Re: Summon bigger fish
Post by: Engels on October 27, 2009, 09:02:29 AM
"Australia. Don't worry about being a paleolithic water-born predator. We can find something that can kill you too!"


Title: Re: Summon bigger fish
Post by: lac on October 27, 2009, 11:16:54 AM
At first I thought this was a fake. The head is lifted in this weird roaring motion which seems a bit odd but then again I'm not exactly a dead shark expert.


Title: Re: Summon bigger fish
Post by: Murgos on October 27, 2009, 01:11:11 PM
At first I thought this was a fake. The head is lifted in this weird roaring motion which seems a bit odd but then again I'm not exactly a dead shark expert.

That's what it looks like when a shark says, "Ouch, fuck, ouch, ouch, ouch, shit fuck, dammit!"


Title: Re: Summon bigger fish
Post by: Righ on October 27, 2009, 01:19:08 PM
The head is probably being lifted by the wake as it is dragged through the water. The picture was allegedly taken as the shark was towed back to shore having been caught in a drumline. What's more indicative of a fake is the condition of the bites. There is very little bleeding which would suggest that if it were real, the shark had been dead for some time before it became monster food. The bites also look way too deep for no gooey bits to be exposed, but I'm not expert on shark innards.


Title: Re: Summon bigger fish
Post by: Lantyssa on October 27, 2009, 01:27:24 PM
Fish don't always produce that much visible blood, and what there was would have been washed away.  Not like it can cake on in the water.

As for being a fake or not I can't say.  It does seem like a lot of work to find a big shark and cut it up just to say "OMG, bigger shark ate big shark!"


Title: Re: Summon bigger fish
Post by: Kail on October 27, 2009, 04:48:44 PM
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But Fisheries Minister Tim Mulherin said the capture of the badly injured 3.5m shark...

Er, last I checked, "badly injured" was not the same thing as "dead."  Was that thing seriously fucking alive for any length of time?  Or do they have to fly out Marine Biologists to pronounce it dead or something?


Title: Re: Summon bigger fish
Post by: 01101010 on October 27, 2009, 05:14:30 PM
I don't know about that picture. The bites look extremely clean - sharks normally tear with a back and forth shake. Especially considering how thick the shark seems to be. Add in the fact that the bites are on top and bottom, looks suspicious - and the bottom bite is in the mid section, the abdominal cavity should be exposed or at least have something hanging out or a visibly different color and texture, though the pic is such that you can't determine that. Finally, if they are towing it in, where are the other pictures?


Title: Re: Summon bigger fish
Post by: Broughden on October 27, 2009, 08:58:03 PM
I don't know about that picture. The bites look extremely clean - sharks normally tear with a back and forth shake. Especially considering how thick the shark seems to be.

I once saw a man trying to pull himself into a boat, be bitten clean in half by one snap of a great white's jaws. Took both legs and everything up to the waste in its mouth at once and then simply bit down. Then slid back into the water.

Usually its the smaller sharks like black tips or sand sharks, with smaller mouths and jaws, who have to rely on the whole shaking thing. Not saying a great white wont use it, but they dont need to more often than not.


Title: Re: Summon bigger fish
Post by: 01101010 on October 28, 2009, 05:43:39 AM

I once saw a man trying to pull himself into a boat, be bitten clean in half by one snap of a great white's jaws. Took both legs and everything up to the waste in its mouth at once and then simply bit down. Then slid back into the water.

Usually its the smaller sharks like black tips or sand sharks, with smaller mouths and jaws, who have to rely on the whole shaking thing. Not saying a great white wont use it, but they dont need to more often than not.

Oh I don't doubt that happens with some animals, but a moving 10ft shark has much more muscle and tougher skin to be completely, and cleanly bitten through like that. I am also half in the "want it to be true" club because the first true pic of whatever caused that is going straight into the wtfawesome files of the earth.

EDIT: I fail at the metric system conversions... god damn metric system, damn it to hell. :D


Title: Re: Summon bigger fish
Post by: NowhereMan on October 28, 2009, 05:54:28 AM

I once saw a man trying to pull himself into a boat, be bitten clean in half by one snap of a great white's jaws. Took both legs and everything up to the waste in its mouth at once and then simply bit down. Then slid back into the water.

 :ye_gods:


Title: Re: Summon bigger fish
Post by: IainC on October 28, 2009, 06:35:56 AM
Oh I don't doubt that happens with some animals, but a moving 18ft shark has much more muscle and tougher skin to be completely, and cleanly bitten through like that. I am also half in the "want it to be true" club because the first true pic of whatever caused that is going straight into the wtfawesome files of the earth.

3 metres is a little shy of 10 feet.


Title: Re: Summon bigger fish
Post by: Sheepherder on October 28, 2009, 12:32:57 PM
I once saw a man trying to pull himself into a boat, be bitten clean in half by one snap of a great white's jaws. Took both legs and everything up to the waste in its mouth at once and then simply bit down. Then slid back into the water.

 :ye_gods:

So that's what he was doing getting drunk at a watersports convention.


Title: Re: Summon bigger fish
Post by: 01101010 on October 28, 2009, 02:58:37 PM

3 metres is a little shy of 10 feet.

Fixed, thanks for the proof-read. I think I actually got the 18ft from the "other" shark, but yeah...

And 10ft is still a fucking huge shark.


Title: Re: Summon bigger fish
Post by: Merusk on October 28, 2009, 03:16:58 PM
I mentioned this pic to a coworker today, and he had an anecdote.  A few years ago when he was at the beach, he saw some fishing boat hauling something in.  He decided to follow it along the beach to the dock to see how big the thing was and what it was (he suspected a shark).

Along the way he came across a 5ft fish (I think he said it was a marlin but I don't recall) washed-up and bitten through just like the above pic.  The guts and everything were intact, with nothing hanging out and just a few serrated slices around the wound where the other teeth would have hit on biting-in.    So yeah, it's possible to wound a fish like that and have it it look like that.

Plus, having googled up a few anatomy images of sharks, it looks like they're just all stomach and muscle where that bite is.  There's nothing TO hang out like in a mammal.  Like any other fish, the heart, and other guts are all shoved forward of the pectoral fins.


Title: Re: Summon bigger fish
Post by: ahoythematey on October 28, 2009, 04:25:36 PM
Shark teeth like the great white's are made for cutting, so I'm not too surprised at the bite being relatively neat.  What is surprising is the size of the animal that bit the pictured shark.  :ye_gods:


Title: Re: Summon bigger fish
Post by: gryeyes on October 28, 2009, 08:16:34 PM
Id imagine the mouth is open because a torrent of water is flowing through its wounds and out its mouth as it gets towed.


Title: Re: Summon bigger fish
Post by: Soln on October 28, 2009, 08:33:05 PM
watching those interviews this seems credible -- no one faked those bites.  So yeah, a 5m shark.  Good luck with that Oceania.


Title: Re: Summon bigger fish
Post by: Cyrrex on October 29, 2009, 06:04:55 AM
The one thing I find odd:  why aren't there more pictures?  I mean seriously, if any of you had come across this and had your handy little digital camera ready, don't you think you'd take dozens of photos? 

I find every part of this story believe except for that part.


Title: Re: Summon bigger fish
Post by: Ingmar on October 29, 2009, 11:52:34 AM
A 5m great white isn't really all that close to the maximum size they can reach, so that part is completely credible too.


Title: Re: Summon bigger fish
Post by: LK on October 29, 2009, 01:28:08 PM
If Broughden saw such a fucking devastating thing, I want to read the newspaper article that would have to have been created in the wake of such a tragic bite.


Title: Re: Summon bigger fish
Post by: BoatApe on October 29, 2009, 09:12:10 PM
You had to have seen that story - it was everywhere...

You know, that summer he spent as the Sheriff on Amity Island?

 :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Summon bigger fish
Post by: Murgos on October 30, 2009, 06:55:52 AM
You had to have seen that story - it was everywhere...

You know, that summer he spent as the Sheriff on Amity Island?

 :why_so_serious:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal,_unprovoked_shark_attacks_in_the_United_States


Title: Re: Summon bigger fish
Post by: Ashamanchill on October 30, 2009, 07:13:11 AM
If Broughden saw such a fucking devastating thing, I want to read the newspaper article that would have to have been created in the wake of such a tragic bite.

That is a pretty fucked up thing to just mention is passing. Fuck.


Title: Re: Summon bigger fish
Post by: UnSub on October 30, 2009, 07:59:38 AM
A completely different 4.3m Great White that died in South Africa. (http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,26282344-948,00.html) Not fully grown, either.

(http://www.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,7117262,00.jpg)

Tis the season for them, or something.


Title: Re: Summon bigger fish
Post by: LK on October 30, 2009, 09:59:24 AM
Seriously. Source the specific incident. The statement he made sounds ludicrous to me that he'd happen to be onsite to a major, fatal shark attack.


Title: Re: Summon bigger fish
Post by: TheWalrus on October 30, 2009, 12:51:30 PM
I like the guy with the mic boom interviewing the shark.


Title: Re: Summon bigger fish
Post by: Tale on October 30, 2009, 01:31:28 PM
Seriously. Source the specific incident. The statement he made sounds ludicrous to me that he'd happen to be onsite to a major, fatal shark attack.

I'm pretty sure he meant watching http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZgMJ-WFzPg


Title: Re: Summon bigger fish
Post by: Tale on October 30, 2009, 01:35:46 PM
News today: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/10/30/2729178.htm


Title: Re: Summon bigger fish
Post by: Pennilenko on October 30, 2009, 08:58:26 PM
News today: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/10/30/2729178.htm

Looks like they are developing a taste for us, I say kill em all first.


Title: Re: Summon bigger fish
Post by: Viin on October 30, 2009, 09:12:52 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal,_unprovoked_shark_attacks_in_the_United_States

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Killed while diving for abalone with a friend in 15-20 feet of water 150 feet (46 m) from shore off Mendocino, California near Kibesillah Rock. His headless body was recovered the next day; his head washed ashore 2 miles (3.2 km) north on Sept. 3. The bite radius was 18"; this allowed experts to extrapolate that the shark was 16-18 feet long.

What. The. Fudge.

Edit: While I don't think we should be out killing sharks, that list is depressing. Especially the kids.


Title: Re: Summon bigger fish
Post by: eldaec on October 30, 2009, 10:29:16 PM
I'm a Shaaark!

I'm a Shaaaaaaark!

Suck my Diiiiiiick!

I'm a SHOLY FUCKING SHI...


Title: Re: Summon bigger fish
Post by: Merusk on October 31, 2009, 06:25:11 AM
Edit: While I don't think we should be out killing sharks, that list is depressing. Especially the kids.

Goddamnit. I was fine reading the list until you redirected my attention from the attack descriptions to the ages.


Title: Re: Summon bigger fish
Post by: Broughden on October 31, 2009, 07:22:11 AM
If Broughden saw such a fucking devastating thing, I want to read the newspaper article that would have to have been created in the wake of such a tragic bite.
If you are simply being curious, then in the spirit of being helpful, I can say I would have no idea how to even google it. I dont know where it took place. However they did show it on that TV show "When Animals Attack" I believe. So that might be a good starting point.

If you are questioning my integrity, and want proof of the story (which is what I think you are really doing) then you can fuck right off.


Title: Re: Summon bigger fish
Post by: Murgos on October 31, 2009, 07:50:25 AM
Well, help us narrow it down then.

Alantic, Pacific, Indian, Gulf of Mexico, the Med, Sea of Japan, Artic Ocean?  I mean, the oceans of the earth are huge but you had to have some idea where on the globe you were, like what was a nearby continent?


Title: Re: Summon bigger fish
Post by: Broughden on October 31, 2009, 08:07:10 AM
Well, help us narrow it down then.

Alantic, Pacific, Indian, Gulf of Mexico, the Med, Sea of Japan, Artic Ocean?  I mean, the oceans of the earth are huge but you had to have some idea where on the globe you were, like what was a nearby continent?

Oh now I see where the confusion is. No I was not there when the attack happened. When I said I saw it, I meant on a television screen. While screaming to my wife, who was in the kitchen at the time (which is located on the North American continent) "HOLY SHIT! The fucking shark just bit some guy in half on TV!"

I found it online at one time once, and might have even posted it here, but havent been able to locate it this morning despite my googlefu skills.


Title: Re: Summon bigger fish
Post by: Tale on November 01, 2009, 01:44:09 AM
Oh now I see where the confusion is. No I was not there when the attack happened. When I said I saw it, I meant on a television screen. While screaming to my wife, who was in the kitchen at the time (which is located on the North American continent) "HOLY SHIT! The fucking shark just bit some guy in half on TV!"
If you missed that, you've probably also missed that this begs a question about your other stories.


Title: Re: Summon bigger fish
Post by: Broughden on November 01, 2009, 11:50:27 AM
Oh now I see where the confusion is. No I was not there when the attack happened. When I said I saw it, I meant on a television screen. While screaming to my wife, who was in the kitchen at the time (which is located on the North American continent) "HOLY SHIT! The fucking shark just bit some guy in half on TV!"
If you missed that, you've probably also missed that this begs a question about your other stories.

Not really, unless you are dragging your personal dislike of me from one unnamed forum into every other one.
I was quite honest with my original post and when I saw other people making erroneous assumptions of how I saw this attack...I cleared it up for them.

So not sure how this in any way impacts my own integrity. But please keep trying to make that leap into this some how all being my fault. Its entertaining.


Title: Re: Summon bigger fish
Post by: Samwise on November 01, 2009, 03:26:08 PM
When I said I saw it, I meant on a television screen.

I LOLed.   :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Summon bigger fish
Post by: Nerf on November 01, 2009, 09:32:15 PM
I once saw a man eat his own head.
On TV, it counts tho.


Title: Re: Summon bigger fish
Post by: Der Helm on November 02, 2009, 10:46:09 AM
I don't know about that picture. The bites look extremely clean - sharks normally tear with a back and forth shake. Especially considering how thick the shark seems to be.

I once saw a man trying to pull himself into a boat, be bitten clean in half by one snap of a great white's jaws. Took both legs and everything up to the waste in its mouth at once and then simply bit down. Then slid back into the water.
I see where the confusion did come from, but even if it was not intended as a bait, it sure did work quite well.

No pun intended.