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The mom....
(http://eplay.typepad.com/.a/6a00e008d68b9688340120a56434bd970b-320wi)


Here is the funniest/worst part. Other people are rushing to Aimee's defense saying she didnt rape her son....he seduced her and she gave in.  :ye_gods:

At least she looks like a MILF :awesome_for_real: :uhrr:

Guess that's what happens when you name a boy Oedipus.

Just to sidetrack slightly... What's up with it being standard procedure in the US to name and shame (with mugshots, even) people who've yet to actually be convicted of a crime? Or does it not matter, since all who get accused turn out to be guilty in the end?

To contribute to the idea that people are broken, this happened to an acquaintance of a friend of mine:

Naked P-plater kills boyfriend in car accident (http://www.theage.com.au/national/pplater-naked-at-wheel-in-crash-that-killed-boyfriend-20090907-fedk.html)

"Defence barrister Dermott Dann argued at the contested committal hearing that a properly instructed jury at trial could not return a guilty verdict on culpable driving solely on Langford's alcohol reading. He said there was no evidence of bad driving before the crash or that Langford was drunk and the issue of her state of undress was irrelevant.

It was wrong to ''lump'' the factors of alcohol, speed and undress together as amounting to gross negligence, he said."

Readers should note that in Australia Probationary drivers are not allowed to have any alcohol in their system, so that fact that he's saying she wasn't drunk doesn't matter because she had alcohol in her system.

Also saying that being naked without a seatbelt driving at night doesn't affect your driving capabilities is beyond absurd.

I would love to be the prosecutor on this case.

What the heck is a P-plater?

In Australia after you get off your learners license you progress onto your probationary license for three years. It basically means you have a blood alcohol limit of 0.0 and it takes less demerit points to lose your license.

How the fuck does any of those things effect your driving capabilities?

P plates are also over here and they allow other motorists to give you a wide fucking berth.

Perky nipples always distract me! :drill:.

This is true. I always loved the respect that having P plates gave me on the road. The same psycho drivers who tailgate me now and cut me off would give me huge amounts of space because, as a P plater, I could potentially do anything at any time.


I'm guessing it could depend on the jurisdiction requirements about naming offenders - could change depending on where you are arrested - but it was classy to both use the term 'rape' (it's a loaded term) and also call up a psych with no prior knowledge of the case and ask him what he thought based solely on the reporter's commentary.

If the 'gave up for adoption a decade ago' bit is accurate, seems like rape would be the correct term.

And hey, she'll be on the news!

If the the boy is a minor then it is by definition rape because a minor cannot give consent.  It is was it is, no loading of language necessary.

And being seduced by your mom?  The Greeks knew that would fuck a person up 2400 years ago, the psych analysis isn't going out on a limb there.

Rape Thread!
http://io9.com/5358396/spider+mans-villains-not-rapists-says-creator (http://io9.com/5358396/spider+mans-villains-not-rapists-says-creator)

Pfffft if misleading girls about your identity for sex was a crime I would be fucked.

 :uhrr:

I would have thought that was the point, did you mess up?

My friend in law school was telling about a few cases like this he studied. I think they're each chosen for their peculiarity and how they show an interpretation of a law in a certain light. For whatever case it was, it was decided that misleading people about your identity isn't rape, or else everyone who ever lied about driving car X, vacationing in place Y, or having a salary of Z is a rapist. haha I never thought I'd think about his weird law school rape-case stories again.

What grade are you in?

Oh god, I should kill you for making me aware of that stupid stupid argument/controversy.

Depends on their age.

OK, I lol'ed irl.

[insert gender-ambiguity joke]

[or subject-verb disagreement joke, I guess]

orly? (http://blogamos.com/bizarrotrash/2008/06/24/homem-aranha-vitima-de-abuso-sexual/)

Even better was the DC controversy where a male character (Nightwing), having been mentally fucked about by a mob boss and then watched said mob boss get killed by a female 'hero' has her basically push him down and mount him while he's muttering random crap and the authoress wanted to make it clear it wasn't rape but 'non-consensual sex'

On the topic at hand, not sure about the US but I know in the UK this wouldn't legally be rape because that requires the insertion of an object. Technically she'd be guilty of sexual assault but I'm not sure if that would hold true for the US as well. The naming and shaming aspect of the story is pretty weird to me since even if she's found innocent she gets to live with people thinking of her as 'Rapist mom' for the rest of her life.

Luckily that's clearly never happened.  :why_so_serious:

Police booking files are public records (EDIT: In the US, has to do with the idea of "no secret arrests"), *anyone* can go in and look at them.  Except for minors, names and charges are always available, newspapers used to get and print their home addresses as well.  Except for minors and rape cases, victims and/or complaining witness names are usually available as well as the name(s) of the arresting officer.

--Dave

I actually had a long flamewar on a feminist blog on that very subject (involved a case where a man pretended to be his brother and crawled into bed with his sister-in-law).  Wound up with everyone else agreeing I was, in fact, an admitted and unrepentant rapist (because in my 20's, I didn't hesitate to tell lies I thought might get me laid, and sometimes it worked), and my getting banned for life from the blog (even blocked my IP so I couldn't read it for a while).

--Dave

That's why I had to stop smoking marijuana. Not because I don't like it or can't use it responsibly. We have a very conservative Board of Trustees and our local paper prints everything on the police and fire blotters, so even though it would be but a violation and cost less than most moving violations, it would get me a one way ticket to the unemployment line.

Go prohibition.

You were defending the guy? Pretending to be someone specific that the victim knows is definitely rape. Its entirely different than lying about your cock size or whatever,which is rather pointless. Anyone going to randomly hump you would probably do so regardless of your lies.

Can you explain the bold?  It sounds like your saying that if I told a chick I was some famous professional athlete just to get her in the sack, then that would qualify as rape?

It was in response to Daves example of the brother in law pretending to be the womans husband.

Ah, okay.  Assuming the brother in question was an identical twin, then I'll agree with you.  Kind of.  I mean, it is probably rape, but there is something a little bit hilarious about it.

They have to be an identical twin for it to be rape?

I may have made a wrong assumption, but I was reading it as if the wrong brother hops into the sack with his sister-in-law and then they get it on in a consensual fashion, and then she discovers later that it wasn't her husband?  Dave did say he "pretended", so I was assuming it was a twin brother that tricked her.

Poor lighting or other factors, like she assumed the guy in her bed was her husband.  It wouldn't have to be a twin, or even a sibling.

There's a big difference between sneaking into a bed pretending to be a third party and me telling someone, "I'm Rachel Maddow, want to make some news?"

(Though I would still consider the latter reprehensible and veering into shades of grey.)

I was getting that there was intent on the brothers part,but who knows. Tho I would view much less blatantly wrong situations as getting close to the edge of legality.

ok, ok, but imagine you had boasted you had a huge schlong and then got into bed with a lightly microwaved kielbasa.

Well that would just be hilarious.

especially if there was nobody in bed with you at the time! That ain't rape in my book. Just good ole fashioned love makin'.

No, I started from the position that the guy in question was a class-A scumbag who deserved to be charged with something, but that taking the position that gaining consent through the use of deception was always rape was somewhat...problematic, since it defined nearly every single 20-something guy I ever met as a rapist.  The blog denizens were perfectly okay with that characterization, and several long-time commentors flat-out called me a rapist, and a front-pager didn't quite agree with them outright, but made it clear that my reductio ad absurdum arguments of how men or women frequently used deception in pursuit of sexual goals (plastic surgery, anyone?) were unacceptably sexist, and only my privileged position as a male kept me from seeing how men lying for sex was rape, but women never lied or deceived for sex, and if they did it couldn't be rape because they started from a position of unequal power and only lied to disarm the males, so women lying for sex was rape *by* the males being lied to.  When I shifted my examples to involve two women or two men lying to each other for sex, I got locked from responding.  Apparently that was offensively hetero-normative to another, aggressively lesbian, front-pager, to suggest that homosexual relationships could involve rape was to project my own hetero-rapist impulses into settings where they had no meaning, since homosexuality is inherently a meeting of equals.

I sent an email to the frontpager shotgun address, pointing out the various levels of irrationality and hypocrisy represented at various stages (I was even polite, using profanity only in quotes from threads), and the only result I saw from that was an IP block the next day.  Feminism doesn't need to be declared dead.  Just put 3 modern feminists in the same room, and they'll spend the rest of the day arguing about what feminism *is*.  Meanwhile, those of us who find the entire "identity politics" edifice to be tedious and stupid will continue trying to establish a new umbrella term, like "Dignitarian" (the principle that everyone is entitled to be treated with equal dignity, regardless of all other factors of origin, characteristics, or position).

--Dave

How fascinating.

On the internet? I think you're looking for the word indignitarian.

 :why_so_serious:

The great thing about going out with an identical twin (well, one of the great things) is that you can have sex with one while pretending you're having sex with the other one, and get all the frissant of an affair without the expense and deleting of text messages.


I am very fucking far from being a Dworkinite radical feminist, but I do think that she had a point of sorts when she said "in seduction, often the rapist bothers to buy a bottle of wine."

You dont have to read Hegel to realise there is always a certain amount of inequality in a relationship, and who is "bieng raped" can change from hour to hour.

That last post made me realize I haven't read this thread, and that realization alone was enough to make me happy.

So come to find out all the cool and hip people are doing the incest thing......

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20307481,00.html

NOT THE MAMAS AND THE PAPAS!  :ye_gods:


Nominee for: Understatement of the Year

The feminist blogosphere is good for lulz and not much else.

Awww, bless the little ladies.

Not to defend gryeyes, but people do this all the time when they take off their wedding ring in public and go out trawling. Infidelity isn't the same as rape, even if the people you slept with would never have slept with you had they known you were married.

I heard this was all a lie to sensationalize the book she just published.

I find it hard to trust the word of somebody who has been strung out their entire life and is how hawking a tell all book.

Dick Cheney?

I was being 1,000% facetious. I thought infidelity was still a crime in most places?

I'm pretty sure infidelity is not considered criminal in any court nowadays, but it certainly can't be construed as rape.

Well of course its not fucking rape,after a quick google its still a criminal offense in several states. And prosecutions still occur,albeit rarely. Like just about everything,its a matter of degree. Lying about cock=Sad but legal. Dressing up like someones spouse and sneaking into their bed=Crime.

fify

So is wearing a push up bra rape or not?

If someone pretends to be me to sleep with a woman and it works, does that mean I get a freebie with her?

Anyone who thinks infidelity isn't a criminal offence anywhere should visit central Islamistan some time.  Choose the right country, mind: the Saudi preference for a quick beheading for the man (with artful distraction at the last moment to ease the sentence) may seem a touch draconian, but women are often more likely to receive the penalty of death by stoning, which would really ruin one's good day.

As a parent of young children I must applaud every likewisely loving parent, preoccupied with fledgling offspring, who still finds the required energy to have a consistent shag on the side.
Kudo's to you mister or misses, you are by far a more energetic person than I am as my extra-curricular sensual desire these days seems to have limited itself to a good night of sleep.

But even then, in reality I've always been to lazy to consider an affair, I'm sure it's really invigorating to ones self image and I'm confident some of my friends put some extra quality into their life's through it but I can't see it working for me. A good affair does seem to require a decent effort and even if I could muster that, I don't think I have the moral ambiguity to pull it off successfully.

But rape, yea, anytime.

In 20 years, people will be broken AND IMMORTAL! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/6217676/Immortality-only-20-years-away-says-scientist.html

HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT A WOMAN WOULD MAKE UP A STORY OF RAPE TO MAKE MONEY AND GET PUBLICITY!!! ITS A SERIOUS ISS... oh hang on Jordan said she was raped too last week.

The scope of the conversation was obviously US/UKish areas.


For some reason cheating/betraying your wife or even long term girlfriend is one of the most despicable things I can imagine. Im fairly amoral in most other respects but its something I judge my peers harshly for,even going so far to discontinue or limit relationships with people who do so. If they can betray someone in that circumstance they will have no qualms fucking over anyone,anytime for anything. If you want to fuck other people speak on it and alter/end the relationship. That so many people cheat during relationships is a pretty disheartening fact of human interactions.

Whee!  I wonder if I can get cool glowing eyes.

I don't know, I know some pretty decent guys who will screw anything slightly warm, still it doesn't make them bad husbands or fathers. Although they are obviously assholes.

Fun facts:
Most of them somehow have reasonably stable marriages.
They are the same guys who were screwing around when they were 16.
They, without exception, are extremely jealous about their wifes.
They'll never stop cheating. Ever.
If they are drunk they'll go for everything. In its broadest sense.
You think they are great guys to have a beer with.
Unfortunately so does your wife.
They love their wifes. They feel there is no comparison between a random shag and their wifes. Emotionally those are two different worlds.
Aside from knocking them the fuck out there is nothing that will stop them once they think they got game.

It's what makes them great fun to have a beer with, of course, if you come home and tell your wife about the hilarious ways in which your friends were shirt chasing you will be in trouble.

Yes it does.

You do not have a stable marriage if you are cheating,period. The relationship is predicated on your spouse and generally children's ignorance of who you are and what you do. Love does not preclude beating the dogshit out of your wife or cheating on her,love is not a get out of jail card for behaving like a scumbag. There is no "emotional" comparison between the two acts,its completely irrelevant to why its wrong. People are not completely dishonest to the closest individuals in their life,while maintaining a standard of honesty with everyone else. Your friends (and mine) who cheat on their wives and jeopardize their children's wellbeing for random twat are the same guys who will fuck your girl or wife if the opportunity presents itself. I have a few friends who have cheated on their wives and they are complete pieces of shit for doing so. Its not funny or cute,it takes no particular skill and in the hierarchy of fucked up things its damn near the top of the list.

If the guy smacked around his wife and children would it be likewise amusing? Id rank the things about equal in the damage they would cause to the family and individual.

Nope, not necessarily.
It's just our cultural lens you are looking through makes it seem morally reprehensible.

There have been/are cultures that treat family as the smallest societal unit and basically a duty to stick to the marriage and raise the children properly. In those cultures they understand that "love marriages" don't last and it's accepted that extra marital affairs happen. They understand the most important thing is group solidarity.

Which is completely fucking irrelevant to the conversation. If you have consent its not cheating in the first place. Its not fucking other people thats "wrong", its betraying your spouse. If your wife is down with the cause have at it.

Forgiving and moving on is NOT the same thing as consent.

Gryeyes, if I understand you correctly, then when the multiple partners thing is regularised and formalised by law and called polygamy, it becomes ok in your eyes?  Do you believe that the modern western paradigm is the morally preferable one?  If it is not merely a preference for your own, western, cultural mores, then are the Tibetan or traditional muslim models are acceptable to you, for instance?

Is it purely the element of deceit that makes polyamory so offensive to you?  In that case, what makes this form of deceit between partners so much worse for you than any other form of deceitfulness between them?  Is it personal experience (I'm sure you're very aware that you sound unusually vehement on this one, even for you)?

Wow.  That might have been the smartest sounding thing you've ever said.  It makes me want to drink my tea with my pinky finger sticking straight out today!

Except that gryeyes pretty much answered his questions. Its the deceipt that's the betrayal. One thing is an arrangement in a relationship where one or both couples have consentual permission for sexual relationships with others, and another is a sexually incontinent douche running about sticking his dick in things behind his partner's back. Its pretty straightforward.

On top of the deceit there's generally the hypocrisy as lac mentioned. These guys tend to be very jealous of their wives and will get paranoid about them spending too much time with other men. That's probably due to their knowledge of how easy it is to cheat and their assumption that other men are going to be like them and trying to bed every woman they meet.

Rare as it may be, I think Gryeyes is right about this. Guys who cheat (something totally different from people in an open relationship or even one where the husband and wife have an 'understanding') are pricks and I certainly wouldn't trust them anywhere near my significant other. Also the type of guys described by lac? They are not in a stable relationship. They are betraying the trust of their partner in a deep way and are in denial over that to make them feel better (The whole, 'I'm just fucking them, it's not the same as loving my wife!') They don't actually believe that or they wouldn't mind if their wives were doing the same thing but they do care about that. What's more their own deceit makes them mistrustful of their wives. It's not a fucking stable relationship because one partner is betraying the trust of the other and by his own actions is probably going to find it difficult to trust that other.

I'm not sure I'd go so far as to cut off all ties with that person, nor that I'd never trust him. People are weird ethically and being willing to shit all over certain boundaries doesn't mean that he's going to act like that when it comes to business. Likewise people who would rather die than be unfaithful could well cheerily fuck you over over money without thinking it's really that big a deal because Jesus never said not to do it or something. Like I said though if they're betraying the trust of their partner when it comes to chasing ass there's a decent chance they would betray your trust too.

 

Polygamy deals specifically with marriage not the sexual dynamics of consenting adults. Your question was answered before it was asked, and is completely oblivious to the discussion. Betraying those who trust you ESPECIALLY when its your family, for sex no less, means at the very least one has the character of a slug. Generally it means you are a piece of shit who should be avoided. The sex is incidental to why this is so.

In this direction lies a one way trip to the politics forum.

You are in General Discussion[?]. A group of men and women can be seen
talking around a campfire. They appear to be discussing Serious Business[?].

There are two exists. North of here lies Politics[?], to the south safety. You
entered from the south.

> help polit

Politics
Politics is a board where the innocence is pulled from your soul, verbally
bludgeoned to death and riffled through for dogmatic arguments, in that order.

> s

The exit is blocked.

> _

> search

You quoted the bit where I said "you're saying this, right?" and you've said "ffs that's what I said."  Missing out the actual questions lets you do your "lol u r so dumb" act but doesn't really move anything on.  I'm intrigued why you are quite so vehemently outraged on this, as it seems to contrast with your carefully presented persona in other threads.  That's why I asked the questions i did (and which you chose to snip).

>search

You find a club of Clue

>Get Club

You get the club of Clue

>use club on discussion

I don't know what a clue club is, but I've heard of the clue bat.

Maybe the size of the clue ball determines if it's a club or a bat?

Clue ball says ask again later.

I prefer a pre-fabricated clue-by-four.

i prefer real clues (http://s3.amazonaws.com/mmc-beta-production/assets/12615/mmw_clue_0509_article.jpg).

You mean like the ripped off part of a Durex package in your wife's handbag?