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Using the search tool, I only caught mention of Google Wave a few times in passing and I didn't see any topic that seemed to reference it so if there is another thread on this I apologize in advance.

I just recently discovered the 80 minute video for this being demoed at the Google I/O conference back in May. 
http://lifehacker.com/5272702/google-wave-video-demo-makes-a-little-more-sense-of-wave?autoplay=true

I am extremely intrigued and am looking forward to not only the functionality they displayed, but the possible applications that can be developed for this.  As a gamer, I am very excited about the possibility for applications of a graphical nature.  They showed chess and sudoku, but I think that's only scratching the surface.  There is a definite chance that 3D environments could be created with this.  I'm thinking along the lines of a World Builder app, where a wave is created which is a blank slate and can then be built around you using tools and 3D objects you and other users have created.  The builders are the participants added to the wave, and people who would wander around with various interactive permissions are those who are able to view it publicly much like if a text wave is published to a blog.

Perhaps I'm just delusional about the possibilities, but dammit, I want to dream.

I was very interested until you said "80 minute video"....

 :uhrr:

I put some time in with that video a little while ago, enough to:
1) want it
2) not watch more
3) think there can be a separate thread for this as long as it is let loose on the public relatively soon
4) more strongly consider a phone with Android

It looks pretty cool. We're actually using gmail and all the google web stuff at work (calendar, documents, etc). It's a nice system for sharing stuff between people. Nothing is ever missing since the stuff  can be accessed from any computer using a web browser. Can't wait to see what they can do when they integrate everything into Wave.

I'm not entirely sure I'm with making Google the default keeper of the all the worlds personal details.

The two honchos here are in love with google stuff, but I feel the same way. I like the old fashioned storage on our server here. If I'm not here...I don't need that information. Work ends at the door.

But then, MS is pushing to have Office a value-added (hur) version of google docs, so they want to own all your data, too.

Some days I wish I was an electrician.

I never watch the full video for long ones like this, but did just that for Google Wave. I can't wait for them to decide that I really should be in the beta and am over the days where I would be concerned about privacy issues. Privacy really does not exist if you are tapped fully into the digital world, and my life is dull enough that I'm not overly concerned if you somehow find out what brand of peanut butter I prefer.

What attracts me to this is that Wave seems to be fusing everything else into one manageable system. Being able to centrally house everything I'm doing on the web inside a single service... I like.

The key thing about Wave that I really like is it isn't a hosted service. You can setup and run your own Wave server and your data will never ever touch a Google system. They are putting the whole damn thing out there for free. Now you won't get the bitching spell checker on a non-Google Wave server, but most everything else should work.

This protocol is all about highly efficient and secure message passing. You could build all sorts of clever things using it. Rebuilding the mail client to take advantage of obnoxious social networking services is on the more mundane end.

Google has yet to make a reference implementation of the server available. They have described it sufficiently well that others are creating a server ahead of the reference implementation:

http://code.google.com/p/pygowave-server/

My intention is to replace Microsoft Exchange with this once it is ready. I figure it will be a few years though, and I don't know if they're prioritizing the features that my users will expect to keep from Outlook.

I fully intend on moving f13 email to it if I can import all 18,000 existing emails.

I'm trying to get away from Google. But fuck me, I don't know where else to go. There's a small upstart called ZenBe that's nice for email and calanders, and has something called Shareflow (not sure if it came first before Wave though).

Is there a reason or is it just not "indie" enough anymore?

Too bad there aren't any S in Google, stray, or you could put some dollar-signs in there.  Maybe replace the G with €.

I'd prefer a ¥ actually.

Hey Yahoo starts with a Y even. Hit me up: my_sweetdelusion3431@yahoo.com .


edit: Actually Yahoo mail isn't that bad.  :why_so_serious: They just need to stop focusing on social shit and integrate the calendar or something.

My business uses yahoo biz mail, the calanders are easy to share from the web interface.

Social shit pays the bills, or so it seems.

It amazes me that Google can do all this crazy stuff, and release it for free.

They're pretty good about monetizing it or finding a way to aggregate data from it they can monetize.  They're just a bunch of smarties.

Well I do appreciate some of their "social" services.. Flickr and Y! Messenger. I will have a Yahoo account for those alone. But they also have some social profile thing, equally as worthless as "Live Spaces".. Both try to add features from the inbox that let you update status/profile, etc.. I don't know who uses that shit.. Unless the service is named Facebook (or Twitter even), it's a waste of time and money.

The mail app itself is nicer than Gmail though (imho). Folders vs Labels, drag n drop, umm.. I don't like the conversational style of gmail messages either. They also bought Zimbra, but they've yet to implement some of it's features in the standard webmail.

Ads pay the bills. I don't know what the score is now, but few yours ago the only products that made money for google were the search engine and ads. Every other service they had released was just costing them money.

Welp wave is based upon the XMPP protocol (http://xmpp.org/) providing various extensions. The "heavy lifting" so to speak is done as the installation instructions (http://code.google.com/p/wave-protocol/wiki/Installation) for the federation protocol (the network transmission between wave servers) that refer to using a XEP-0114 compatible XMPP server such as Openfire (http://www.igniterealtime.org/projects/openfire/index.jsp).

I'd like to know if Google is planning on running SMTP<->Wave gateways utilizing Google apps service. If so I'm moving to it no doubt, finally a good chance at attempting to replace SMTP.

G¤¤g£€?

It's pretty simple.  More people using the interwebs -> more people searching for stuff -> more money from ads.  Anything that gets more eyeballs ends up being a win.  Which is neat, in that you can build a lot of random nifty products that are actually useful to people and still be profitable.

I mean, hell, I work for a group building a mobile operating system that we give away for free...

Setting up a wave server on day one.

E-mail is a stupid, inefficient technology that got partially replaced by a more stupid, slightly more efficient technology (IM), which got partially replaced by a completely braindead technology (texting).  Wave is looking better.

Also, for those who care, you can tell from the docs that it's built as a Jabber extension, which is a little terrifying.  XML bloat on the Intertrons will increase a hundredfold.  Not that SMTP isn't already scary.

MUHAHAHAHAHA! I'm just got my wave account bitches!

Mind you, no one else I know has an account so I can't actually wave anyone but myself.   :heartbreak:

invite me, ass!

I can't find a signup.

Apply for a developer account here (https://services.google.com/fb/forms/wavesignupfordev/)

Awesome.  Thanks.  I like the subtle test to figure out if you actually watched the keynote or not.

HALP

Surely there's an invite system already! Googlewave.com won't even load now :(

Oh hai!

http://code.google.com/apis/o3d/
http://code.google.com/p/nativeclient/

Google likes how you think.

You had me at hello...

Those links make me breathe heavy!

I have no idea why I went to googlewave.com instead of wave.google.com. Anyway, still, are the new invites in that dev sandbox or external? Or do you fear the wrath of google?

It looks to me like so far the invites are for people developing actual apps, but I still want in.  :oh_i_see:

I need to see if I really can replace Exchange with this in a year or two! Inviting me makes good business sense!

I pretended that I'm going to develop a wave/subversion/phpbugtracker integration to get in the dev preview, even though I really have no intention to.

Why not just use Trac?  That way, you can claim to be using Python, which is another Google favorite (I am looking at you, mod_wsgi).

Prospero is having too much fun futzing around to even look for an invite butan :(

My robot is talking to me now! MUHAHAHAHAHA!

No invite button sadly. I haz looked. You just have to make up a reason why you want to develop for it. You have an active imagination; I have faith you'll come up with something.

So, is it a sandbox or a public server? Could I actually move my email to it?

Edit: Signed up with the intention of investigating the feasibility of creating an API to interface google wave with SMF to open up alternate means of forum communication.

Sandbox. They wipe our accounts on occasion.

Play with http://wave-samples-gallery.appspot.com/about_app?app_id=20023 a cool and weird bot but it will be used to spam  :ye_gods:

Can someone explain this without a masturbatory lather of buzzwords? Because as far as I can tell this boils down to "messageboards that update in real-time without you refreshing the page" and I think I'm missing something.

Just think of it's main purpose as turning gmail into a collaboration suite.. But it'll probably be useful for non-business users as well.. In that sense, it'll be more like "social email" than collaboration. A wave could be any old thing, not just a serious project.. a link to an interesting news story or a photo or just any old bullshit topic like the threads here - which all of your friends can comment on or contribute to. People with more productive things to do will get more out of it. As for all of this stuff about mmo-like interactivity - I didn't even think of shit like that. I probably won't find it useful unfortunately, since I'm one of the only gamers I know.

I'm just simplfying it. Communication and colloboration are loaded words.. especially considering that this will be a popular (not to mention, open) platform, and there will be dozens of interesting ways to communicate and colloborate that aren't even apparent yet.

As for me, I'm getting into sucked into the MS cloud atm. I'll just wait for their ripoff version *to be announced any time now*.

I'm assuming it will be like MetaPlace but more sterile.

Metaplace is GeoCities.  I hope Google can do better than that.

You got my point, I think.  It's like how Facebook is more sterile than MySpace.  Sometimes sterile is good, or at least more professional.

I can't in any way see how Google Wave is like Metaplace, except that they are both on the internet and use a browser.

On a sidenote, I hate Google interfaces. Looks like 1999. With a Toys R Us logo. I don't mind sparse or professional, but it could be tweaked a bit.

I am very keen on getting into this when casual users are welcome.

I would like to put out a caution though, because the first thing I always do when I see new tech for the web is go "How can this be used for evil?"

With it being open and people being able to create their own networks... and have private conversations that involve the full exchange of any internet media format...  :pedobear: is going to love this.

Which is sad.

You mean like email, IM, and IRC?  :oh_i_see:

There's nothing that new here, they're just nicely bundling a whole bunch of systems into one.

I agree, it's exciting to think I won't need half a dozen different applications to do things which are all really just data-transfer methods.


I can see it. :awesome_for_real:  Especially if someone makes a "mmo" for it, or at least if someone makes a 2D theme park containing hyperlinks.

The important thing is how is the pr0n industry (not the  :pedobear: one) going to use it? As goes pr0n, so goes the Interwebz.

Well, the first thing I'm going to do is draw a penis in it.

How does the porn industry use e-mail?  Oh, that's right, they spam the fuck out of everyone with it and otherwise ignore it.

Got an invite today, must be letting more and more in. Anyone wanna swap wave id's in the the sandbox?

Just waiting to see if I got my name. I gave them 3 options: schild, schild, and schild. But I didn't get a confirmation upon filling everything in, which was weird. I'll try again.

Yeah I went with binfuser so ping me when your on

You already got in? :(

I didn't click for them to send updates via email, only google wave. Will I never get a response?

Yep got sent a welcome mail that was a form for the sandbox account. After filling out the sandbox application page (three name choices) I got an email back confirming access.

Try entering your info you used at https://wave.google.com/a/wavesandbox.com

Hrm.

Still didn't hear back yet. Weird. Also, when I fill out the page, it doesn't say anything like "thanks for filling this shit out."

It should. The first time I tried it I hit an error page. Try again later today. I think they are using a Google spreadsheet to handle all of the new accounts, so it might be overloaded.

Nada.

Same problem.  I either get a long wait and then a redirect back to the form or an immediate redirect back to the form.

Nice work, google.

Having a service explicitly labeled as "Beta, Not For Wide Public Use" where you can't handle the number of people wanting to sign up is what we refer to as a "High Class Problem".  Google may finally have found their non-search "killer app".

--Dave

Update:  I decided to check back and now the application form actually works.  Or at least I get a 'thanks for entering the form' page instead of a blind redirect.

I think that the XMPP<->SIP gateway is going to be more interesting in the long run than any XMPP<->SMTP gateway. Most of what is provided by XMPP is worthless to email, so the overhead of all the presence data makes it something that isn't going to set the world on fire.

Got my account setup.  The current default Wave client is borderline nonfunctional in Mac Firefox.  Will check Chrome when I get home.  Thinking of putting some effort into building tools to support running RPGs over waves, as it should have a lot more capability than play by post setups -- dice gadgets, spawning private conversations, etc.  Will probably cut my teeth on Wave Diplomacy or Wave Risk first.

Wanting a free everything-integrated service that isn't Google leaves only Live, to the best of my knowledge.  E-mail, instant messaging, 25 gigs of online file storage, calendar, blog, photo hosting.  You can get essentially the same from Mobile Me from Apple too, but for a hundred bucks a year, so.  Fuck that.

Anyone around here have an invite? I'm seeing a lot of casual people talking about being in it now and invites being tossed around.

That would be because gmail is tied to it. That said:
Your Google Account has not yet been activated for Google Wave.

In other words, no longer a sandbox.

:(

GMail doesn't get you an instant in though.

Of course not, it's probably the most used mail client in the world at this point. Let me see if I can get in with my sandbox account and do an invite.

YOU HAVE 8 INVITATIONS LEFT.


Sup bitches, selling wave invites itt.

5 left.

Everyone who had a dev account should have 8 invites, so Prospero should pop in here soon.

Also, you can not send regular email with it atm as far as I can tell. So uhhhh, mostly useless.

Where are you seeing your invites?

DO WANT

For those PMing me for invites, the remaining 5 are going to f13 staff first if they want them, hopefully they'll get more invites (it's not an immediate in really either once invited).

Also, their server is a nightmare. I'll post here if there are any remaining tomorrow.

Also, again, YOU CAN'T USE IT FOR REGULAR EMAIL. No, I don't know why.

Fake Edit: Prospero, log into your dev account, there should be a wave for joining the public beta. Then one of your waves in THAT account will be "invite your friends."

Edit: Nix is in.

Looks like I haven't gotten that wave yay. I just have my settings waves so far.

And yes; the server is very unhappy right now. Both in the sandbox and the main.

On the bright side! It looks as though your gmail address can be your wave name. They have reserved it all and it's why I couldn't get tidal@, which is a shame, but I'll live.

So, yea, I've got schild, which is nice!

Thanks for the info. Much obliged.

If one of you guys who are now in have a spare invitation, I'll gladly take it  :heart: :grin:

So if I recall correctly, this can be used to do stuff like document collaboration in a wave, right?

Yep, real time collaboration. You can also see live modifications to a document made by another person with access to it and see the history of every modification (bar any privacy setting applied to the document) up to when you first accessed it, through a "video-player" like console.

I have a feeling security is going to be pretty lax for a while here though.

I can think of things I could do with it.

I must say that playing Dungeons and Dragons modules through Wave could be quite an interesting experience  :awesome_for_real: :heart:

I just applied for the beta with the angle that I'm interested in using Wave to streamline a law practice. Granted, the security end is key, but I'm pretty sure doable once you can host your own Wave service....then it would solely internal.

On the subject, Twitter is going completely nuts with Wave lately. Scam and real invitation give-aways are non-stop now.

Twitter goes nuts when the sky is blue.

It's a simple place.

Still haven't really watched a single video or anything on this, but I still want to try it.

Alrighty, I have 4 invites up for grabs.

I too have 0 invites remaining.  The invites are going out in batches, so you might not get a response immediately, but I'll happily add the first four people who PM me (with an email address to use) to The List.

Edit: got four requests, submitted four names, now we see how bad the backlog is (invites are being sent out in batches).

Aw man, this is Gmail all over again  :uhrr:

Let's hope Google implements some sort of SMTP bridge, so that regular e-mail threads are aliased into Wave conversations. Using bot magic or whatever.

1 invite left, PM first come first serve

Don't bother if you haven't been around for a while (ie: postcount of 1)

edit:
Yeah I don't have the patience Lorekeep had with MAG keys.

Rules!   :ye_gods:

I'm out of invites. Everyone who PM'd me has been invited; it may take awhile to actually get the official invite though.

Just got mine. Thanks, btw!

So do I need people to PM me contact info? I noticed that I had about twelve contacts in my profile settings, but they don't show up on the generic contact list. Time to delve into this on my time off.

I'd take one if anyone one has any left.

On Twitter, they've said that they're sending out another big batch of invites today. Hope I'll be in this time around.

Same  :heart:

:heartbreak:

People that got nominated on Oct 1st seem to have gotten invites already. I was nominated a day later by Quinton, nothing here yet  :oh_i_see:

I finally got my invitation (thankyouthankyou) 1 hour ago (but I checked my mail only now); hope you'll soon get yours, TripleDES.

Got mine as well, still waiting for the  :drill:

I have no clue how they decided when to send the invites.  One person I invited before the first wave only got her invite a day or two ago, and some people got them within hours of me submitting the news.  It is a mystery...

But now I have no friends, I'm riding the wave alone  :ye_gods: :heartbreak:

I got my invite this morning. Is there a F13 circlejerk wave to be invited into?

If you know somebody's username (whatever@googlewave.com -- not actually an email address even though it looks like one), you can punch that into the search box under contacts and then add them to your contacts, waves, etc.  I created a "f13 hello wave!" and started adding f13'ers I know (not many).  Go forth and add other folks.

Sadly, though, sometimes you can't seem to search people...they'll come up as not found and then later on appear in your contacts.

I just do not understand Wave at all.

Collaboration?  Google Apps Premier already allows us to securely share documents and modify them in real time within the company (and even invite outsiders to participate). 

Chat?  We use Google chat, SMS or iChat to share information in real time.

Email, calendar, file sharing, pushing documents to web pages?  Google Apps Premier.

This seems like a software engineering project that is not viable in the commercial marketplace.

The whole idea is to integrate all of that into one 'conversation' client, where you can drag and drop things into an ongoing 'thread' between you and any number of people that can join and drop out of the thread.

Meanwhile, I found out how to visualize public waves...In the search box, type "with:public" (without the quotes) and madness shall ensue.

So, F13.

captjamestjerk@googlewave.com is mine. Add me, I guess?

I think I've read somewhere that all waves would be public by default until they've added the UI parts to chose. Can't seem to find a public f13 wave.

I'd love to try this out if anyone has a spare invite.

I'm now ibell74@googlewave.com.

isaac.cajina@googlewave.com if anyone can add me to the f13 wave.

I have become  taletale@googlewave.com

It seems slightly retarded that I have to tell you that on F13 instead of being able to find the wave, but if you can talk to me I'd like to talk to you about pet bears and health insurance for avatars.

Since everybody seems to do this, can anyone hook me up with an invite?

Those of you that just joined, can you get to the F13 wave with this?

https://wave.google.com/wave/?pli=1#restored:wave:googlewave.com!w%252B1_8FOkr-A.1 (https://wave.google.com/wave/?pli=1#restored:wave:googlewave.com!w%252B1_8FOkr-A.1)

Busted it seems today  :heartbreak: , no waves are saving etc.

no

"You are not a participant in this wave."

Ghey.

Is it a public wave?

How do you make a public wave? I see nothing for something like that.

Put "public@a.gwave.com" on your contacts list and then add it to the wave.

Also, Google Wave 101 from Lifehacker (http://lifehacker.com/5376138/google-wave-101).

This isn't as polished as most Google betas - what an asinine way to add "everyone".

Anyways, added "public@a.gwave.com" to the current F13 wave, so you folks should be able to find it.

Try the link above or in the search bar do 'tag:f13'.

Yeah, their method of adding everyone and managing settings is a bit tech headed. Your settings are waves in your inbox, which makes sense in someways, but feels really awkward.. I imagine once the tech is solid they'll run through and de-geekify things a bit.

Throw me an invite.

My Google contacts are leaving me hanging.  :uhrr:

Bogus. Found the f13 wave, cannot reply.

Did you join the wave?

Anyone got an extra invite?

Lifehacker had a couple helpful queries on their site

I too would enjoy an invite if anyone has a spare.

Federate with Google wave (http://www.24100.net/2009/11/federate-google-wave-sandbox-with-your-own-fedone-server/)

Anyone brave enough to try this yet?  :grin:

I found some shit: http://www.xobni.com

I still do not understand the wave.

After reading through the documentation I feel the need to go back to my IBM Selectric III.

If you've ever used a wiki, then wave isn't a big leap. Think a wiki with a better push mechanism for changes.

Also, think a client so fucking slow that it's unusable.  I haven't logged into wave in a couple of weeks, because I can check all of my gmail in the time it takes the interface to render.

Yea, this is what I didn't understand about Wave, but the wiki example (plus maybe some Sharepoint notifications sprinkled in) seems to make sense.

I don't get why a company would use this rather than something more established and robust. Except maybe cost? I swear they're turning into the Walmart of features: free/cheap because our business model requires something completely different from the stuff we actually provide.

Well, a wiki is a pretty powerful collaboration mechanic.  If you combine that with federated e-mail-like pervasiveness and robustness (versus having MediaWiki on some web server) it's a rather kick-ass product.

Also, http://completewaveguide.com/ (http://completewaveguide.com/).

I got randomly added to two waves from what appear to mostly be a bunch of gamers from China.

I have no idea how they found me!

I have four more invites if anyone wants to experience the wave.

Sex Leg?

Can someone explain why I should care about Google Wave in 2 or 3 sentences?

I think Prospero's one line from the last page fit.


Also, just jerked around with it for a bit. In my limited parlance, this feels like Twitter meets a Wikipedia that allows for the insertion of Google apps. Anyone actually use this for anything other than dabbling?

Edit: updated.

So it's another useless google thing that they will lose money on?

Either that, or revolutionize the net. It's a really excellent platform for web based tools, and can neatly centralize all of a users correspondence on the net while decentralizing authority. The crude definition is certainly a wiki with push notification, but it is probably more properly defined as a real time collaboration platform.

It's a great technology demonstration of the sort of basic framework needed to support the killer service apps that most of the world's big media corporations are looking for - content clouds with real time telepresence data and micropayment architecture. The problem is that even by Google's standards, this looks a long way from ready. The door is basically open for any giant software company to build a more scalable architecture with toolkits for doing the same sort of shit. Good luck to Google - it's a risky move - they have to pitch software leadership with their technology demonstrations and stay ahead all the way to the end because there are people better positioned to take the trade that they're after.

I don't see anyone just "knocking out" the combination of their real time content merging and the federated architecture. That shit has to be hard to get right. They also have open standards and open source development on their side. That shit gets a lot of web developers all tingly in the bathing suit area.

If anybody happens to have a spare I would appreciate an invitation.  I'm looking to field test this for some proofs homework next semester.  Thanks.

PM me your email and I'll toss you an invite/nomination/thingy.

I have 30+ invites, so if anyone wants in, PM me.

I have 16 invites. PM me your email if you want one.

Ok, so a bunch of us have invites.

Have we found anything fun to do with it yet? I see the potential and am waiting for someone to realize it for me.  :awesome_for_real:

Someone run us a D&D game!

It does seem promising for online rpg'ing.  I'd be interested in giving that a try.

Oooh online RPG now that's a good use. I'm down as well.

I don't think this is going to be as awesome as you all thing. But what the hell, why not.

Include me, why not.

Me too. I want to see Wave actually being used.

I'm also wondering why not.

I think the main problem with Wave right now is that it's like the web in 1994. You have to be a geek to navigate it, it's populated with content for geeks only, and there is no polish on any of it. The potential is there, but it's completely rough and without polish. Normal folks just aren't going to find this very exciting.

I'm excited by the potential, but too busy to explore adding to the polish.

So it's open to all and stuff.  Is it worth looking into?

I still haven't found a use for it. 

It's the iPad of the internet.

Does a lot of things in a really neat way but not very well, replaces absolutely nothing, and serves no great purpose other than seeming slick.

It's going to be fantastic for design discussions once we can run a wave server of our own. Management is a little leery of having discussions about our trade secrets stored on Google computers. I think they'll have something generally useful once they get the federated server stuff functional.

Why not just use a wiki?

IMO the wiki interface is significantly more irritating for actual discussion. It is easier to find stuff when you're using it as a reference source, but Wave blows it away for discussion.

This. Wiki is good for when you figure out what the fuck.

Exactly. We use a wiki now for design work and it's passable, but less than ideal. Not only is it hard to have a conversation but once you come to a decision and clean up the comments there isn't a pleasant way to look back at the conversation. The wave history slider seems fairly elegant for that use case. Right now our discussions tend to end up in email which then needs to be linked to the wiki, and usually that doesn't happen. I think wave will wrap this all up very neatly.

We tried using Wave for this purpose and it just didn't work well.

Maybe once performance is not a factor and it doesn't crash so often…

I've used this successfully for a full year of working with other students on math proofs, but other than that I have had no use for it.  It might be a good medium if anyone else comes along and uses it as a canvas, but until then I don't see much wide appeal for it.

Annnd its dead  :heartbreak:


Funny just started using this for an idea sharing and documentation wiki for a project. Works really well for shared documentation vs deploying a solution (MediaWiki/SharePoint).

They needed to get the self operated servers up and running to get some real adoption. We were excited to use it at work, but we didn't want to use a hosted solution.

Really disappointing. I still think something like this is going to replace corporate email servers someday, I'm unhappy that it apparently isn't going to be soon.

Pisses me off.  It was great for school work with classmates, but getting people into it was annoying.  It's like hammering boards across the front door of your store and wondering why business is so poor.

Google, I am disappoint.

Is Google Buzz next?

Google wave pretty much turned into Google Buzz.

I'd be surprised to see Buzz die. It's taken off with my school friends as our primary way to keep in touch. It's integration into GMail seems to have really helped it's adoption. 

Seems like Google has a hard time to monetize anything besides search.  Gmail worked out, but search is still something like 95% of their revenue.