Google Wave

[Bzalthek]

Using the search tool, I only caught mention of Google Wave a few times in passing and I didn't see any topic that seemed to reference it so if there is another thread on this I apologize in advance.

I just recently discovered the 80 minute video for this being demoed at the Google I/O conference back in May. 
http://lifehacker.com/5272702/google-wave-video-demo-makes-a-little-more-sense-of-wave?autoplay=true

I am extremely intrigued and am looking forward to not only the functionality they displayed, but the possible applications that can be developed for this.  As a gamer, I am very excited about the possibility for applications of a graphical nature.  They showed chess and sudoku, but I think that's only scratching the surface.  There is a definite chance that 3D environments could be created with this.  I'm thinking along the lines of a World Builder app, where a wave is created which is a blank slate and can then be built around you using tools and 3D objects you and other users have created.  The builders are the participants added to the wave, and people who would wander around with various interactive permissions are those who are able to view it publicly much like if a text wave is published to a blog.

Perhaps I'm just delusional about the possibilities, but dammit, I want to dream.

[Azazel]

I was very interested until you said "80 minute video"....

 

[Yegolev]

I put some time in with that video a little while ago, enough to:
1) want it
2) not watch more
3) think there can be a separate thread for this as long as it is let loose on the public relatively soon
4) more strongly consider a phone with Android

[nurtsi]

It looks pretty cool. We're actually using gmail and all the google web stuff at work (calendar, documents, etc). It's a nice system for sharing stuff between people. Nothing is ever missing since the stuff  can be accessed from any computer using a web browser. Can't wait to see what they can do when they integrate everything into Wave.

[Murgos]

I'm not entirely sure I'm with making Google the default keeper of the all the worlds personal details.

[Sky]

The two honchos here are in love with google stuff, but I feel the same way. I like the old fashioned storage on our server here. If I'm not here...I don't need that information. Work ends at the door.

But then, MS is pushing to have Office a value-added (hur) version of google docs, so they want to own all your data, too.

Some days I wish I was an electrician.

[Grimwell]

I never watch the full video for long ones like this, but did just that for Google Wave. I can't wait for them to decide that I really should be in the beta and am over the days where I would be concerned about privacy issues. Privacy really does not exist if you are tapped fully into the digital world, and my life is dull enough that I'm not overly concerned if you somehow find out what brand of peanut butter I prefer.

What attracts me to this is that Wave seems to be fusing everything else into one manageable system. Being able to centrally house everything I'm doing on the web inside a single service... I like.

[Prospero]

I'm not entirely sure I'm with making Google the default keeper of the all the worlds personal details.

The key thing about Wave that I really like is it isn't a hosted service. You can setup and run your own Wave server and your data will never ever touch a Google system. They are putting the whole damn thing out there for free. Now you won't get the bitching spell checker on a non-Google Wave server, but most everything else should work.

[Righ]

This protocol is all about highly efficient and secure message passing. You could build all sorts of clever things using it. Rebuilding the mail client to take advantage of obnoxious social networking services is on the more mundane end.

Google has yet to make a reference implementation of the server available. They have described it sufficiently well that others are creating a server ahead of the reference implementation:

http://code.google.com/p/pygowave-server/

[Ingmar]

My intention is to replace Microsoft Exchange with this once it is ready. I figure it will be a few years though, and I don't know if they're prioritizing the features that my users will expect to keep from Outlook.

[schild]

I fully intend on moving f13 email to it if I can import all 18,000 existing emails.

[stray]

I'm trying to get away from Google. But fuck me, I don't know where else to go. There's a small upstart called ZenBe that's nice for email and calanders, and has something called Shareflow (not sure if it came first before Wave though).

[schild]

I'm trying to get away from Google.

Is there a reason or is it just not "indie" enough anymore?

[Yegolev]

Too bad there aren't any S in Google, stray, or you could put some dollar-signs in there.  Maybe replace the G with €.

[stray]

I'd prefer a ¥ actually.

Hey Yahoo starts with a Y even. Hit me up: my_sweetdelusion3431@yahoo.com .


edit: Actually Yahoo mail isn't that bad.  They just need to stop focusing on social shit and integrate the calendar or something.

[Pennilenko]

I'd prefer a ¥ actually.

Hey Yahoo starts with a Y even. Hit me up: my_sweetdelusion3431@yahoo.com .


edit: Actually Yahoo mail isn't that bad.  They just need to stop focusing on social shit and integrate the calendar or something.

My business uses yahoo biz mail, the calanders are easy to share from the web interface.

[Yegolev]

Social shit pays the bills, or so it seems.

[Strazos]

It amazes me that Google can do all this crazy stuff, and release it for free.

[Ookii]

It amazes me that Google can do all this crazy stuff, and release it for free.

They're pretty good about monetizing it or finding a way to aggregate data from it they can monetize.  They're just a bunch of smarties.

[stray]

Social shit pays the bills, or so it seems.

Well I do appreciate some of their "social" services.. Flickr and Y! Messenger. I will have a Yahoo account for those alone. But they also have some social profile thing, equally as worthless as "Live Spaces".. Both try to add features from the inbox that let you update status/profile, etc.. I don't know who uses that shit.. Unless the service is named Facebook (or Twitter even), it's a waste of time and money.

The mail app itself is nicer than Gmail though (imho). Folders vs Labels, drag n drop, umm.. I don't like the conversational style of gmail messages either. They also bought Zimbra, but they've yet to implement some of it's features in the standard webmail.

[nurtsi]

It amazes me that Google can do all this crazy stuff, and release it for free.

Ads pay the bills. I don't know what the score is now, but few yours ago the only products that made money for google were the search engine and ads. Every other service they had released was just costing them money.

[fuser]

It amazes me that Google can do all this crazy stuff, and release it for free.

Welp wave is based upon the XMPP protocol providing various extensions. The "heavy lifting" so to speak is done as the installation instructions for the federation protocol (the network transmission between wave servers) that refer to using a XEP-0114 compatible XMPP server such as Openfire.

I'd like to know if Google is planning on running SMTP<->Wave gateways utilizing Google apps service. If so I'm moving to it no doubt, finally a good chance at attempting to replace SMTP.

[Lantyssa]

Too bad there aren't any S in Google, stray, or you could put some dollar-signs in there.  Maybe replace the G with €.

G¤¤g£€?

[Quinton]

It amazes me that Google can do all this crazy stuff, and release it for free.

They're pretty good about monetizing it or finding a way to aggregate data from it they can monetize.  They're just a bunch of smarties.

It's pretty simple.  More people using the interwebs -> more people searching for stuff -> more money from ads.  Anything that gets more eyeballs ends up being a win.  Which is neat, in that you can build a lot of random nifty products that are actually useful to people and still be profitable.

I mean, hell, I work for a group building a mobile operating system that we give away for free...

[sidereal]

Setting up a wave server on day one.

E-mail is a stupid, inefficient technology that got partially replaced by a more stupid, slightly more efficient technology (IM), which got partially replaced by a completely braindead technology (texting).  Wave is looking better.

Also, for those who care, you can tell from the docs that it's built as a Jabber extension, which is a little terrifying.  XML bloat on the Intertrons will increase a hundredfold.  Not that SMTP isn't already scary.

[Prospero]

MUHAHAHAHAHA! I'm just got my wave account bitches!

Mind you, no one else I know has an account so I can't actually wave anyone but myself.   

[sidereal]

invite me, ass!

I can't find a signup.

[Prospero]

Apply for a developer account here

[sidereal]

Awesome.  Thanks.  I like the subtle test to figure out if you actually watched the keynote or not.

[schild]

HALP

[schild]

Surely there's an invite system already! Googlewave.com won't even load now :(

[Delmania]

I am extremely intrigued and am looking forward to not only the functionality they displayed, but the possible applications that can be developed for this.  As a gamer, I am very excited about the possibility for applications of a graphical nature.  They showed chess and sudoku, but I think that's only scratching the surface.  There is a definite chance that 3D environments could be created with this.  I'm thinking along the lines of a World Builder app, where a wave is created which is a blank slate and can then be built around you using tools and 3D objects you and other users have created.  The builders are the participants added to the wave, and people who would wander around with various interactive permissions are those who are able to view it publicly much like if a text wave is published to a blog.

Oh hai!

http://code.google.com/apis/o3d/
http://code.google.com/p/nativeclient/

Google likes how you think.

[Bzalthek]

You had me at hello...

Those links make me breathe heavy!

[schild]

I have no idea why I went to googlewave.com instead of wave.google.com. Anyway, still, are the new invites in that dev sandbox or external? Or do you fear the wrath of google?

[Ingmar]

It looks to me like so far the invites are for people developing actual apps, but I still want in. 

I need to see if I really can replace Exchange with this in a year or two! Inviting me makes good business sense!