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In retrospective there are a lot of PlayStation 2 games that still are awesome so I figured we'd make a list and compile it for the wiki [link (http://wiki.f13.net/index.php/Recommendations:_PS2)] to help Schild do his work. I started us of with some titles of the top of my head that I figure most people here will enjoy:

List
Atelier Iris 3 - 2007 - Gust - NIS America and Koei
Ar Tonelico 2: Melody of Metafalica - 2009 - Gust - NIS America and Koei
Devil Summoner 2 - 2009 - Atlus - Atlus
Digital Devil Saga 1 - 2005 - Atlus - Atlus and Ghostlight
Digital Devil Saga 2 - 2005 - Atlus - Atlus and Ghostlight
Disgaea 2 - 2006 - Nippon Ichi Software - NIS America and Koei
Final Fantasy X - 2001/2002 - Square - Square EA and SCE Europe
Final Fantasy XII - 2006/2007 - Square Enix - Square Enix
God Hand - 2006/2007 - Clover Studio - Capcom
God of War 2 - 2007 - SCE Santa Monica - SCE
GrimGrimoire - 2007 - Vanillaware - Nippon Ichi
Harvey Birdman: Attorney at Law - 2008 - High Voltage Software - Capcom and Williams Street
Ico - 2001/2002 - Team Ico - SCE
Mana Khemia: Alchemists of Al-Revis - 2008/2009 - Gust - NIS America and NIS Europe
Makai Kingdom - 2005 - Nippon Ichi - Nippon Ichi and Koei
Nocturne - 2004/2005 - Atlus - Ghostlight and Ubisoft?
King of Fighters '98: Ultimate Match - 2009 - SNK - SNK
Odin Sphere - 2007/2008 - Vanillaware and Atlus - Atlus and Square Enix
Okami - 2006/2007 - Clover Studio - Capcom
Persona 3: FES - 2008 - Atlus - Atlus and Koei
Persona 4 - 2008/2009 - Atlus - Atlus and Square Enix
Rez - 2002 - United Game Artists - Sega and SCE
Shadow Hearts: Covenant - 2004/2005 - Nautilus - Midway
Shadow of the Colossus - 2005/2006 - Team Ico - SCE
Shadow of Rome - 2005 - Capcom Production Studio 2 - Capcom
Viewtiful Joe 2 - 2004/2005 - Clover Studio - Capcom
We Love Katamari - 2005/2006 - Namco and NOW Production - Namco and Electronic Arts
Yakuza 2 - 2008 - Amusement Vision - Sega
Zone of the Enders 2 - 2003 - Konami - Konami

Candidates:
Alien Hominid
Atelier Iris 1
Atelier Iris 2
Baroque
Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter
Bujingai
Bully
Culdcept
Chulip
Disaster Report
Disaster Report 2 (Raw Danger in the US)
Dragon Quest VIII
Fatal Frame 3
Fire Pro Wrestling Returns
Flipnic
Genji
Ghosthunter
Gran Tourismo 4
Haunting Ground
Jak 3
Katamari Damacy
Kuon
Lego Star Wars
Metal Gear Solid the Essential Collectio
Makai Kingdom
Metal Arms: Glitch in the System
Metal Gear Solid 3: Subsistence (I guess >_>)
MLB Power Pros
Metal Saga
Monster Hunter
MS Saga: A New Dawn (the only Gundam game I've ever enjoyed?)
Nightmare of Druaga: Fushi
Nocturne
Nobunaga's Ambtion: Rise to Power
Odin Sphere
Okami
Osamu Tezuka's Blood Will Tell
Phantom Brave
Radiata Stories
Ratchet & Clank
Red Star
Resident Evil 4
Rez
Rogue Galaxy
Rule of Rose
Romance of the Three Kingdoms X
Romance of the Three Kingdoms XI
Shadow of the Colossus
Suikoden III
Samurai Western
Shadow Hearts
Shadow Hearts: Covenant
Shadow of Rome (maybe the second most underrted game on the system?)
Silent Hill 2
Silent Hill 3
Soul Nomad
Steambot Chronicles
Stretch Panic
Taito Drum Master
Tales of the Abyss
Valkyria Profile 2 Silmeria
Zone of the Enders

Growlanser Generations? uggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
really?

really?

Well, at least you didn't put Growlanser V on there.

Ahem, anyway.

Alien Hominid
Atelier Iris 1 & 2 (I like 3, but apparently no one else does)
Osamu Tezuka's Blood Will Tell
Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter
Bujingai
Bully
Chulip (lol) (voodoolily would love this)
Culdcept
Disaster Report
Disaster Report 2 (Raw Danger in the US)
Disgaea 1 & 2
Dragon Quest VIII (not because I want to but because Jain Zar will have a nerdrage breakdown if I don't just put it on this list)
Fatal Frame 3
Fire Pro Wrestling Returns
Flipnic
Genji (much better than the 2nd on the PS3)
Ghosthunter (maybe the most underrated game on the system?)
Grim Grimoire
Guitar Hero
Guitar Hero 2
Haunting Ground
Katamari Damacy
Kuon
Makai Kingdom
Metal Arms: Glitch in the System
Metal Gear Solid 3: Subsistence (I guess >_>)
MLB Power Pros
Monster Hunter
MS Saga: A New Dawn (the only Gundam game I've ever enjoyed?)
Nightmare of Druaga: Fushi
Phantom Brave
Radiata Stories
Red Star
Resident Evil 4
Rez
Rogue Galaxy
Romance of the Three Kingdoms X & XI
Samurai Western
Shadow Hearts
Shadow Hearts: Covenant
Shadow of Rome (maybe the second most underrted game on the system?)
Silent Hill 2
Silent Hill 3
Soul Nomad
Steambot Chronicles
Stretch Panic
Taito Drum Master
Tales of the Abyss
We Love Katamari
Yakuza
Zone of the Enders

Meow!  I'm sure not everyone here is into weeaboo shit, but I'll play along, meow-kitty-meow.  Will try not to overlap OP and schild, although I'd subtract We <3 Katamari and replace Bully with GTA: San Andreas and/or Vice City.

Atelier Iris series (I like #3 and people who don't are idiots, also WTB field bonus guide)
Baroque
Final Fantasy XII
Metal Saga
Ratchet & Clank series

I'll go home and look at my shelf before I get into Rule of Rose territory.

Oh man, screw that. I'll just put it on here.

Rule of Rose

That shit is just out there in some places.

It was ages ago since I played it, maybe it's not as good as I remember it  :why_so_serious:

I updated OP, will sort thru and add dates etc as I see fit. How do I go about putting this in the Wiki?

I did not actually finish it due to a slow spot or something, but ... yeah.

If you actually want to make the list, get in touch with NiX, odds are you'll just have to send the raw data and such to him, but he can give you the formatting if you want to make it easy, otherwise, NiX likes suffering.

Well, guess I'm not bored anymore.

I'll wait for more submissions, sort thru the list and then send it to you so you can put it in  :awesome_for_real:

Awesome! You can send it along to wiki AT F13 DOT net

Can I still get all gay about PS2 games?

Do it!

Anyone play Nobunaga's Ambtion: Rise to Power enough to have an opinion on it?  I had a hard time getting into the battle system and didn't play for long.

A few I thought were well done:

Shadow of the Collosus missed it on the list
Lego Star Wars
Gran Tourismo 4

I see only one missing from my list of fond remembrances:

Suikoden III

Not that I'm pissing all over your game, but I need to make sure that the games that make the list still hold up against current games when it comes to gameplay. But I'll add yours, and all others, titles for now.

Suikoden 3 is generally considered pretty godawful.

My list of lurve:
(Im leaving out decent but not beloved games, and retrocollections)

Disgaea
Transformers (Armada)
Front Mission 4
Mobile Suit Gundam Zeonic Front
Klonoa 2
Rygar
Star Wars Starfghter
Star Wars Jedi Starfighter
Timesplitters
Timesplitters 2
Dragon Quest 8
Time Crisis 2 (sadly unplayable on HD TVs...)

What are the criteria for these lists? Platform-exclusives, or just good games available on a platform?

Good games for the time, or "still good games now"? And who decides that last bit?

At the end of the day? Do you really want that answer? :why_so_serious:

Ah, so you'll simply give the entire Wii section the scorched earth treatment?  :why_so_serious:

Just saw the disclaimer on the PS1 and DC list.

Want some recommendations for the 360 and/or PC? There's quite a bit missing.

I made the whole Wii list, thanks.


Just saw the disclaimer on the PS1 and DC list.


PC is hard. I think I'm only going to put true blue classics in there. Not sure yet.

360 is probably missing recent stuff. But seriously, I'd like to hear what you think should be added. :awesome_for_real: Also, if it's on 360 and PC and it's better on PC (Team Fortress 2, Left 4 Dead, etc) - it's going under PC.

I'd probably throw Beyond Good & Evil up there, though it is very multiplatform.

Is it that hard to add a game on for both?

Here's some PS2 stuff.

Burnout Dominator
Hot Shots Golf 3 and Fore!
Jak & Daxter
Jak 2
Jak 3
Mark of Kri
Raiden III
Rise of the Kasai
Soul Calibur 3
Tekken Tag
Tekken 5


Shaun White Snowboarding should be on the Wii list. Madworld possibly - haven't played it enough yet, though the waggle controls actually work well on it (surprisingly) . I'd agree Wii is easily the smallest, but this is a f13's community Wiki.

I'll look through my 360 stuff in a moment. Will only list things that are not listed, bloody worthwhile, and I've played enough to give a proper full thumbs-up to. Not stuff like Hulk (http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=17101.0) that is merely kinda fun.

Don't overdo the system-exclusive type list though. There's plenty of us who only have one console or another, and PCs often need a hefty rig to run any of the better stuff. COD4 can probably safely go on PC/PS3/360, for example. I'd list GTA:VC and SA on PC, but not on PS2 for example, due to vastly better control and the MP3 player radio station. Add a game for both or all three if it's one of the better games on multiple systems. This is an f13 games Wiki, not Schild's personal Wiki. (and I almost always tend to buy the PC versions of games like L4D, TF2, etc).

Similarly, there's a bunch of stuff that I really liked on PS2 but decided to buy the XBox versions more recently due to the BC thing - games that are pretty much still worthwhile on either PS2/XBox, and worthy of both lists. In some cases the XBox versions were noticably better, due to custom soundtracks* rather then the shitty ingame music. This was evident even to a PS2-leaning guy like myself.

BloodRayne 2
Burnout 2*
Burnout 3*
Gladius
Lord of the Rings: The Third Age
Silent Hill 2
Soul Calibur 2

I haven't played the various Prince of Persia series enough yet, though they were all PS2/XBox. Similar with the Splinter Cell series.



360 stuff. A lot/most of this is probably cross-platform. I've included them since I played them on the 360 and they stand up well, regardless of other platforms they might be on.

Bully
Burnout Revenge
Burnout Paradise
Flatout Ultimate Carnage
Just Cause
Lego Star Wars: The Complete Saga
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance (A CLASSIC RPG!!)
Saints Row
Saints Row 2


There's other stuff that's a lot of fun, (for awhile) but also very flawed. Examples:

Conan
Dead Rising

No, but it's nice to put the games under the systems they should really be played on. You know I've always done this sort of thing, why even mention the easy alternative? :oh_i_see:

This is a better argument than Velorath's, but at the same time, even if it's the f13 wiki, where would you rather see people play TF2? On the 360 or the PC? If everyone wants to put it under the 360 also, by all means, do so. But I'm a big fan of doing things where their BEST done. /shrug

Edit:

Again, stuff that came out AFTER I made the list that's there now.

I'd rather play L4D and TF2 on the PC. But then I also prefer to play COD4 on the PC, and I'd reckon that it's probably just/at least as popular on the consoles.

Similar issue for cross-platform stuff that's on both the PS3 and 360 (or PS2/XBox) and is pretty much identical on both. I'd guess Saints Row 2 qualifies there.

I haven't bothered with GTA4 yet, but would that get the nod to 360 because of the exclusive DLC? What about Fallout 3? The only platform that the DLC seems not be fucked up on is the 360, but it's very much a PC purchase for me (especially with Mods). Mass Effect and it's DLC?

I mean, during the PS2 days, I kept reading reviews of games that basically said "the XBox version just edges out the PS2 version graphically, but the gameplay is identical". I almost always got the PS2 version anyway since I preferred the PS2 controller to the XBox's big clunky POS.
But identical gameplay vs slightly better graphics and in many cases custom soundtracks can make a very legitimate case for a lot of the PS2's good/better games to only be on the XBox list if you want to do it exclusively. (Those Burnout games, for example).

Apply to multiple platforms if the games are identical, still worth playing today and still are worthwhile on that platform in their own right, or if they have an other compelling reason to be on multiples.



ps - are we doing anything with the whole "classic/retrogames" compilations that keep springing up on every platform? You know, Namco Museum, Midway Arcade, Genesis Collection, etc. Or are we keeping it to "real" games for the platform?
(Also relevent to ask in regard to and considering the same titles are often found on XBLA/PSN/WiiWare.)

This is not about where it's popular. When has f13 EVER been about where something is popular? Comeon now.

Also, mods and DLC shouldn't even play into it. In 10 years are you going to still be able to get the DLC on the original console? Probably not. Will you be able to get the game? Assuredly so.

As for your postscript, real games, plz.

No, it's not about popular, but by all accounts, L4D and COD4 are bloody good on console. If I didn't personally hate FPS with a thumbstick, I might prefer the console platforms. It's about worthy in it's own right on a specific platform. You'll probably also find that most people (even here) only own a given title on one platform, so who decides the "best" platform? Besides, we're only looking at the better games for each, are we not?

If we're disqualifying DLC for games, should we then nix the whole Wiiware/XBLA/PSN/downloadable software aspect?  :uhrr:


I'm sure I'd prefer playing L4D in HD online from my couch on a 46" screen, then sitting at my PC desk on my 22" PC screen if I didn't hate them thumbsticks. I think if people can make a good argument for a game's inclusion on any platform (better than "aww come on?" type arguments) then it should be fine to include them. Or if the games are pretty much identical.

This pleasing everyone crap is why I was just going to do it myself. You gotta draw the line somewhere, and making amenities for the underprivileged is where I draw the line on this topic.


That is dumb and does not make sense. Downloadable games are downloadable games. DLC for a game is DLC. Protip: The C doesn't stand for "game."



Stop trying to please everyone. You never will. Ever.

Tell me more of this indescript panel of gamers you speak for.

I wouldn't call everyone that played 1 and 2 "indescript." Did you play 1 & 2? Can you explain why you liked 3 after playing them? If it makes you feel better, the reputation for III did go up after IV came out and ended up being absolutely dreadful in every way imaginable. V cleaned up their act a bit, but I wouldn't really classify the PS2 Suikodens as must-play.

I mean, it'd be going on a list with Shadow of the Colossus, Shadowhearts: Covenant, and Disgaea. Do you really think it belongs there?

This is the thought process I was going through when I started making those lists.

It's one of the reasons why a thread about them is only going to end in tears.

Pleasing everyone? Ameneties for the underprivileged? You're being deliberately obtuse now. So who decides the "best" platform for a game that's identical across platforms? You?  :awesome_for_real:

DLC - okay, we'll wait till it's published on a disc. Fallout 3 is scheduled to come out in some kind of all-in-one on the 360 soon, which will then make it the "best" version.

Please everyone? Me? No.. I simply disagree with a single person being the high arbiter of "the best" when things are either identical (most cross-platform games) or simply differ in control scheme despite being just as good or better than other offerings. Like, if Resistance is worth including on the PS3, (Didn't you end up giving up on R2 in disgust?) why isn't COD4? Or L4D? Or TF2? Because Schild prefers KB&M or Steam?

Seriously, I own all 3 on PC (because I prefer KB&M), none of those 3 on any console, so I'm devil's advocating here. But what defines the PC versions as "the best"? "Schild said so?"

It's about not being so myopic.

Your points suck.

1. Having all the DLC on one disc doesn't make the DLC a game. The game is Fallout 3. The game is Team Fortress 2. The game is Grand Theft Auto IV. These aren't lists of best mods or best DLC. If you want to make those, go ahead, but that's not what these are. So stop being a fruitbag. Deliberately obtuse. Right. You're trying to redefine a game, gtfo with that crap.

2. If Resistance was on the PC, guess where I'd have played it. God, what a terrible argument. I don't even want to acknowledge it furthr.

3. Grats on owning all 3 consoles. You're devil's advocating for people who don't own a PC. Just because we would - in almost every case - as a site - recommend it as the preferred version, why would we add it to the other lists. We're not damning the other versions by not including them. Stop being a carebear. You can't hurt their feelings. They're games. They don't have emotion.

4. It absolutely is about being myopic, numbnuts. This is a list for f13 - not some megasite like IGN. You know, f13? A site where 99% of the people will play a freaking MMOG over the best console game of the year. A site where when a controller is opted for, over a keyboard and mouse when available, means you're either A) Broke, B) Daft, or C) Tasteless, D) Bad at Games, or E) all of the above? I'm not slighting us for that, it's part of what makes us special. No matter how you slice this crap, you really are trying to please everyone, you need to not do that, it's impossible.

PS I gave up Killzone 2 in disgust, I just haven't had time to finish Resistance 2 because other stuff that's more shiny to me keeps distracting me. Do try to keep up.

It's generally accepted that cooperative or competitive FPS play better in environments where you have a keyboard and mouse and where you have a robust and active community. 

The Orange Box I wouldn't throw under 360 as a "best of" for the above reasons and because it's Valve and there's that whole Steam thing.  Context. It isn't hard. We're a bunch of knowledgeable gamers, why not act like it.

Who really cares as long as the game is there somewhere?

1. If <game> is pretty much identical on PS3 and 360, except the 360 version on disc comes with a bunch of DLC levels and content and shit you can't and will never(?) get on PS3, then the 360 version of the game is superior then.

2. So controls Schild doesn't like are ok if a game is only available with those controls? A better game isn't good enough if it's also available with controls that Schild prefers? Look, you and I are in agreement on KB&M > Thumbsticks, but are we still the majority on f13?

3. No, I said I don't own a PS3. I'm advocating good games that are on PS3 (or whatever) get included even if they're also on PC.

4. Point mostly taken, though there are very much a lot of games out there that are so much better suited to a console than to KB&M. Fighting/Racing games, things like Assassin's Creed, etc. Street Fighter is available on Steam now, for example.

5. I got confused between the 2 PS3 FPS franchises. FPS on consoles are I don't own are a bit interchangable to me anyway.  :why_so_serious:

6. So answer this one at least. Games that are pretty much identical on 2 different consoles while also being great on both go on both lists?


Rasix - I've considered buying L4D on my 360 as a game to play co-op when my friends come over on the big screen, since my other PCs (and their PCs) won't run it and the online people I can connect to through Steam are predominantly random douchebags (Steam's L4D server matching, etc is pretty shithouse). As you said, context.

Look, if you want to come up with a 1 in 100 situation where you can win the argument, go ahead. I wash my hands of your stupidity.

How would you know? You don't own a PS3.

So, this is all about you.  OK.

/dickslap

I forgot about Mark of Kri.  I need to finish that one.  The stealth-murder mechanic might be done better on more modern games.
God of War, maybe the sequel also.
I liked Twisted Metal: Black a great deal, but I think I'm not agreed with by the regulars.

This basically covers what I own.  There are a handful of must-have games that I haven't gotten around to acquiring, but I can't remember what any of them are just now.

Guilty Gear XX Accent Core. Probably other fighting games.

Maybe Devil May Cry 3?

2 pages, and this thread is already very longwinded.  :grin:


zee ps2 is probably the best console ever though.

Most of it isn't about the PS2...  :oh_i_see:

1) Yeah good. Since you keep changing your criteria, adding sub-clauses, and not answering selected points, you can't lose the argument. Which shouldn't even be an argument.


How would you know? You don't own a PS3.
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2) How would you know? You stopped buying 360 titles long ago by your own admission. If I buy a PS3 next week does that suddenly make me able to comment on the quality of shit I haven't played on it?
Oh, and I own or have owned several that fit that criteria on PS2/XBox 1, which is what sparked the thought. But you know, continue to feel free to skip every point I've made in the discussion that you can't counter. Fuck, tell me where Fallout 3 goes, since the implication from your above quote is that you own and have played all 3 versions.

3) Tell me where Saints Row 2 goes. PC version is shit by all accounts. Other 2 versions are by all accounts identical. So PS3 or 360?




No, but way to misinterpret. My main concern is that it's not all about Schild.



That's one of the key points - are we looking at things that hold up well today, on whatever platform?
Or are we trying to look for the best example of a genre, and if it's been done newer and better we bin the old one? GOW1/2 dropped from the PS2 list when GOW3 comes out?
I'd assumed the former. But I'm not so sure now since Schild doesn't want to allow dupes that are on a platform he doth not choose even when they're considered top form, or as good/better than shit he does include.

Assume a guy goes out and picks up a PlayStation 2, even tho he already owns a Xbox 360 and a PlayStation 3 and all the games for those system, what games would you recommend him? This list will be those recommendations.

RE4, GT4, Persona 4, God of War just because it rhymes with 4.


Seriously though... this is for wikipedia? edit: oh, f13 wiki my bad  :uhrr:

No, I don't think so.  It would be a short and, more importantly, changing list.  Also ripe with opinion.  The thing I would like is a list of games that were or are awesome, leaving it up to the reader whether or not they choose to go retro and play a X-year-old game.


Yea, I don't know about that shit.  I advise to leave the arguing alone and sneak it in later when schild isn't looking or has changed his mind.  Unless, of course, you're trying to do something blatantly incorrect like put a console game into the PC section. :oh_i_see:

Go look at my Dreamcast list. Do you have any complaints? Then tell me more about how I'm doing it wrong.

http://wiki.f13.net/index.php/Recommendations:_Dreamcast

Why? I was the only one that made that list.

Edit: Actually, I think I might've asked one person for help. One. Mostly to ask if I was missing anything because I did it off the top of my head at 5am one day.

Just that as a game, Shenmue was one of the biggest steaming piles of shit I ever played.

Maybe add Soul Reaver to that list, as the DC was the best system to play it on?

Missing quite a few games.
Grandia 2?
Capcom vs SNK?
Virtual OT?
Evolution 1 and 2?
Chu Chu Rocket?
Phantasy Star Online?
Record of Lodoss War?
Resident Evil 3? 
Re Volt?
Sega Marine Fishing?
House of the Dead 2?
Crazy Taxi 2?

Those were all fun games not on your list.
I wouldn't call each and every game I just wrote down as A+++ enduring classics OMG, but they are all solid and fun games worth playing.
(Though in some cases like PSO or your listed Skies of Arcadia, the Gamecube version is superior and the version to play.)

So, I'm not missing anything?

I submit that you are not.

Okami is one of my favorite games EVAR.

Wouldn't you buy the Wii version though? I know I would...

Worked fine as a PS2 game.  Really.  Wii controller might help, but it's not exactly the most accurate thing in the world.  

I liked Okami a lot, it was just SUPER LONG for a Zelda like game.  I just ran out of steam in the end and couldn't finish it.

Ok, I'll add that to the A-list.

Shadow Hearts: Covenant not in your A-list?  Best jRPG ever made. 

I know what you are thinking, but I thought I heard that you don't use the pointer to draw.  Confirm/deny?

I haven't played it but if that is the common consensus I'll add it to the list.

I'd add "One of" but it's assuredly in the top five, without question.

Note that this is a sequel.  The stories are loosely linked so you can play this one without playing the first one, but the first one is also very, very good.

Was this the one that had the gay pr0n collector's cards as in-game items?

Yes.

That you used to unlock dresses for the old man's doll, if I recall correctly. 

Still though, as silly and over the top as it was at times, fun as hell.  I need to dig up my copy. 

The doll that was actually a little girl who likes to show her panties when she executes her special moves.  :pedobear:

The only thing with that is we've got both GoW 1 and 2 on the PS2 list - one needs nuking? and then the other removing once GoW3 comes out on PS3, (assuming it's better then the previous versions?). Powerstone 1 and 2 on the DC list. etc.




Didn't like Shenmue.
UFC was not good.

Aside from those two, which I thought sucked, and a bunch of games I never bothered with, there's nothing on the DC list that's missing, in my opinion.
But let's be honest, the DC, while a good machine, never exactly had a barnstorming software library...

Oh wait!

You've got Soul Calibur on it. It's now available on XBLA, and presumably on PSN. In HD. You can safely remove it from the DC list.  :why_so_serious:

This seems silly since GoW1 is pretty awesome and GoW2 continues the story, as does #3.  I'd suggest leaving the first two on there since they are linked and #2 is actually good.  We might revisit including GoW3 if it turns out to be a pile of shit; meaning we don't want to include games that are garbage, which I think is the main point of the list.  You're thinking way too hard.


If you go swimming in the polar bear exhibit, you might lose an arm.  Really, though, I don't see why it can't be on both places, assuming the improvements to the new version are worthwhile.  Using SotN as an example, I'd list it as a PSOne game even though you can get other versions since I believe there is no adjustment other than resolution and Achievements on the 360.  People are going to have to be smart enough for us to not have to put SotN onto the 360 or PSP lists, otherwise they can go back to believing Kotaku stories and GameSpot reviews.

The Dreamcast Soul Calibur isn't only arcade perfect but the controller on the Dreamcast vs the 360 pad still makes it the ideal place to play the game. Even for joysticks the Dreamcast wins, but really, d-pad++ in this particular case.

Can't you get a Hori stick for PS3 these days?

But yes, I'll grant you those DC Joysticks are fucking well done, and do > the 360 or any joypad controller for the entire genre. If only my proper arcade joysticks for the original XBox/PS2 worked on the newer consoles.

What's SotN? Symphony of the Night? I'll take your word for it's inclusion, though to my mind, improved resolution is a good enough reason to play something that's otherwide identical on a different system.

They didn't "improve" anything. It's a pixeled game. Improving the resolution involves making it look like crap compared to the original release.

(http://www.modojo.com/media/features/161/sotn.jpg)

They would have to redo 90% of the art to make it look nice when at high-res. While SOTN is available on Saturn, XBL, and as an unlockable on the PSP game; the PSX version is the ideal way to play it.

As an aside. Dows the PS3 still BC PS1 games? And if so, does it upscale them?

All PS3s can play the majority of PS1 games.

Do they upscale them? Don't know, never played a PS1 game on the PS3.

They upscale to 1080p, if you toggle the option.  Have not tried one in a long time but I can take a look at SotN, since we are talking about it.

I checked the options, you can pick Fullscreen or Normal and toggle Smoothing; it's 1080p because that's what I have the PS3 set to somewhere.  Some games look better with smoothing and I assume it's the same as with the PS2.  YMMV because I have a 60GB PS3.  I tried SotN with and without smoothing and I like it better without since it's basically antialiasing, and the pixels look better crisp.  Vagrant Story, on the other hand, looks better with smoothing.

I've been playing the hell out of GT4 and Toca, but am looking for a racing/driving game with more of an arcade feel (but with unlocks, etc).

Can anyone recommend something that might interest me? 

Ridge Racer, is still (in my opinion), the best Arcade racer ever made. The PS2 one was Ridge Racer 5. I don't know if it has unlocks. I don't really do arcade racers anymore though, I just stick to Gran Turismo. Unfortunately Gran Turismo 4 is my least favorite and it's the last PS2 one :(

The original Ridge Racer?  If I had a white glove I would slap you with it and demand a duel at dawn.

Daytona USA bitch.  That damned game was almost perfect, and one of the few arcade machines I would almost be stupid enough to buy.
Actually Sega has a ton of great arcade racers.  Virtua Racing, Outrunners, Outrun 2..
For older era arcaders Chase HQ and Roadblasters were great too.  But they were more shooty/rammy than pure driving.

(For home arcade racers Burnout 3 takes it.  Just damned amazing game.  I'm sure the sequels are better but its ALL I NEED.  Mario Kart DS takes the portable crown.)

I can't say I like Gran Turismo much either.  Forza 2 with the 360 steering wheel is almost sublime if you put some effort in.

He's talking about arcade-style racers. Not actual arcade machines. Not sure which of the 16 versions he's talking about though. I can't recall which were on ps2...

Updated the Wiki. Thanks Dion!

No thank you  :awesome_for_real: