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2008-11-21, 17:20 #1
SirMolle
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Default BDCI and Sel
2008-11-21 22:01:40 heardm@hotmail.de SirMolle epic post as always, dude. does "AAA & co" include us? Thug is offline and, additionally, seems the be the only person in AAA leadership who might know wtf is going on.
2008-11-21 22:01:51 SirMolle heardm@hotmail.de who are you?
2008-11-21 22:02:14 heardm@hotmail.de SirMolle Sel, m8.
2008-11-21 22:02:31 SirMolle heardm@hotmail.de 5 entities listed, red overlord, se, aaa, systematic chaos and c0ven
2008-11-21 22:04:43 heardm@hotmail.de SirMolle Seems none of the -A- guys on have any real info on this. I simply wanted to ask you directly if you have issues with us working with -A- or plan to shoot us if our paths cross?
2008-11-21 22:05:27 SirMolle heardm@hotmail.de bdci arent on the list
2008-11-21 22:07:32 heardm@hotmail.de SirMolle Heh, okay m8. Do you mind adding us or do you want me to have Thug clear it?
2008-11-21 22:08:16 SirMolle heardm@hotmail.de i deal with et and et only, no one else.
2008-11-21 22:08:30 SirMolle heardm@hotmail.de he has my trust, you dont.
2008-11-21 22:17:49 heardm@hotmail.de SirMolle Understood. I apologized in public to you for what happend in the past. I've not bothered you since. I don't expect miracles but I'm available to answer questions or chat if you wish.
2008-11-21 22:19:00 SirMolle heardm@hotmail.de i have no wish, you turned around and stabbed us, you had every chance not to, we gave you more then one chance to come clean, and yet you still did it, or let it happen. Your history with BoB is over.
2008-11-21 22:23:17 heardm@hotmail.de SirMolle Yes, I let it happen. I have admitted to this. It was not what I really wanted but that's what happened. I'm sure you also know a lot of the events that kept me from being even online earlier this year. I was barely even around to watch things go to hell.
2008-11-21 22:23:25 heardm@hotmail.de SirMolle I started it, yes. Could have stopped it.
2008-11-21 22:23:37 SirMolle heardm@hotmail.de Now you have to live with it.
2008-11-21 22:23:40 heardm@hotmail.de SirMolle But I didn't and I have said as much.
2008-11-21 22:25:43 heardm@hotmail.de SirMolle Dude, sorry, but I've had a lot of other stuff on my mind that what was going on in the game this year.
2008-11-21 22:26:06 SirMolle heardm@hotmail.de i really dont care, your actions are your actions.
2008-11-21 22:26:22 SirMolle heardm@hotmail.de regret all you want, wont change a thing
2008-11-21 22:30:25 heardm@hotmail.de SirMolle I'm not even talking about the game at this point. I'm not trying to change anything. I'm trying to actually talk to you. If you want to live the rest of your life 'hating' me over this game related thing, that's something YOU have to live with. I don't have any hard feelings left over this game, which is one of the reasons I'm playing with a former 'mortal enemy'.
2008-11-21 22:31:12 SirMolle heardm@hotmail.de uhm, you never talked to me. you dont know me. only thing you ever done is play the same game as me.
2008-11-21 22:33:33 heardm@hotmail.de SirMolle Perhaps that's part of the problem? That in all that time in the past we never really did talk. You've always been so 'in character' that, TBH, it seemed kinda weird. *shrug*
2008-11-21 22:33:53 heardm@hotmail.de SirMolle Look, I'm not asking you to go fishing or watch my kid, man.
2008-11-21 22:33:57 SirMolle heardm@hotmail.de i dont have a problem, you do apparantly
2008-11-21 22:35:14 SirMolle heardm@hotmail.de if you thought you became my best buddy since you shoot some targets for us, youre mistaken.
2008-11-21 22:35:21 heardm@hotmail.de SirMolle LOL
2008-11-21 22:36:53 heardm@hotmail.de SirMolle Game or no game, I never bothered convo'ing you for the same reasons I never did it the past -
2008-11-21 22:36:53 heardm@hotmail.de SirMolle SirMolle says: who are you?
2008-11-21 22:36:59 heardm@hotmail.de SirMolle ^^ stuff like this
2008-11-21 22:37:07 heardm@hotmail.de SirMolle You know who I am.
2008-11-21 22:37:13 SirMolle heardm@hotmail.de heardm@hotmail.de säger (22:36):
2008-11-21 22:37:17 heardm@hotmail.de SirMolle I'm not looking for a fight, in game or in RL
2008-11-21 22:37:53 SirMolle heardm@hotmail.de im sorry, but, im not really spending more energy on you, ive got stuff to do

SirMolle: For admin and pet management, as per discussed on irc, ill let Dian fill in the blanks.

Dianabolic
2 alts per corp, all conquerable stations (not outposts) to be transferred to the holding corp, all alliance pet payments to be made to this corps wallet.

This would give us a number of advantages, particularly (but not restricted to):

Transparancy of income.
Ease of standings.
Use for molles 9th character.

So the corp will have EIGHT characters total, when the alliance wallet is split we would just empty it out as a member payment.

All these alts would have directors status and this corp would be made the executor.

All shares will be held on the corp creators character.

Comments or thoughts?

I personally never thought I'd support this idea, but we are at a very large size now with stations etc, I think it is justified.

Cell Satimo
Any progresss on the Tinfoil [HAT] (Shameless Plug) decision?

When the fuck did we start being nice to people who bring rifters and fucking caracals to our fleets? WHY? Seriously why are we not just shooting these fuckers who're treating it as a right to fly with us instead of the privilege it should be.We've been so afraid to move away from what works for so long that we're stuck into this retarded blob mentality. Where we put up with shit from the likes of axe and (yes nilie) goodfellas because we need MOAR numbers"

"INTERDICTION somehow average, they fly mainly ravens ... I don’t think we need them"

Axiom Empire ... They have big numbers compared to other allies we have but they use the most hilarious fittings you ever seen and 50% of the BSs with tech I guns are AXE. Give them a task as far away from our main theater of operations they will get in our way if they are close."

"Skunk-Works...they don’t commit BSs on the field and for their numbers have a crapy attendance to pvp operations."

"X13 Alliance...I prefer to know that we don’t have them on ts"

"TOTAL CRAP (I NEVER WANT TO SEE THEM IN THE MAIN FLEET):
DeaDSpace Coalition
Confederation of Independent Corporations
Pupule 'Ohana
T e r c i o s
G00DFELLAS"

"If we have to depend on exe for number boost than we are shit."

"I consider EXE a spyfilled festering piece of crap "

2009-01-29, 11:36 #1
SirMolle
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 2,441

[15:26:26] Bobby Atlas > but i got a problem
[15:26:33] Bobby Atlas > we have nowhere to ern isk right now
[15:27:06] Bobby Atlas > and as much fun as it may be to try ninja rat through scalding and wicked creek it just doesnt cut it
[15:27:09] Messiah Killeon > eta on crisis?
[15:27:24] Messiah Killeon > ie, critical mass when?
[15:27:44] Bobby Atlas > i was hoping maybe I could secure some kind of arrangement for gbc standings and ratting permission somewhere around querious or similar
[15:27:56] Messiah Killeon > yes, hence why im asking when it gets critical
[15:28:19] Messiah Killeon > can you survive 10 days?
[15:28:23] Bobby Atlas > yes
[15:28:25] Messiah Killeon > k
[15:28:42] Messiah Killeon > we are currently "measuring" GBC activities
[15:28:50] Messiah Killeon > and the deadline is this weekend
[15:28:55] Bobby Atlas > for now im pooring what we are making on the highends into bs programs and similar for my guys
[15:28:55] Messiah Killeon > and when that weekend comes
[15:29:05] Messiah Killeon > we're kicking some crap out
...
[15:32:21] Messiah Killeon > flyby and flythrough and using markets is fine, but rattinting, plexing, mining is offlimits in those const
[15:32:36] Bobby Atlas > again rightly so, very understandable
[15:32:38] Messiah Killeon > thats the general gbc stufffs
...
[15:33:17] Messiah Killeon > so yeah, if youre willing to do gbc standings, we're willing to find you a spot

oh man molle you just got nailed again~

i lied about having a complete rip of director forums, it was only a partial rip (say 40%) before we said 'forget it, just kill them' and nuked your alliance, then haargoth lost his account

thanks for the present sweetie, give my regards to llondon

i did not know it would be possible to 0wn so much and then somehow continue to 0wn yet i underestimated how easy a heating repairman would be to manipulate~~~

ps your new alliance is terrible too

Since when did we become so balless that corps do not care what their members do? Remove the medicority or put them on a leach and make sure that leach has spikes, every time they flinch into wrong direction they bleed like rabid dogs.

All of you read Lord of The Rings? Remember how rule of Gondor was given to the lesser men and the strenght of men came less and less? Thats whats happening when the active people flying with your pilots are balless and unable to judge, controll and order the men around.

More directors with balls, more directors who are right and able to give orders that hurt those who do wrong. Alliance FCs are not people to policy your pilots, you need to do them yourself.

SirMolle säger (20:03):
goonies are why we attacked north to split their allies before goons

Basically I asked them to sit down and to come up with a plan on how they would accomplish this task:

Molle: harass, steal moon, disrupt, disturb

and I wanted it in 24 hours. I told them no capital ships to be deployed... everything is to be accomplished with fleet / roaming ships.

Here is what they came up with:

Operation Carnea

Objective: To disrupt and harass the Fountain region and to release high end moons from Pandemic Legion hands.

I call this The Imperial BoB Intelligence Network.

Firstly, the intelligence network should be hierarchical in design, to prevent [complete] data leaks, with only the appointed person at the top (Spathi) entirely in the know.

While the funding and penetration of hostile organizations itself is still of great concern, none of it will work without a solid infrastructure.

I would suggest something which looks like the following.

And one thing I would stress as being VERY important would be to keep ALL the agents in the dark of each other, apart from those on the same 'tier' as each other and then only the top three ranks.

This hierarchy is presented from the top down.

Master Spy
Spathi
The only man with all the info, who divulges only what we need to know.

Intelligence officers.
Mr X and Mr Y.
I would suggest two only. The men who sift through the information passed on or deemed important by the General Agent Directors (see below rank).

General Agent Directors.
Mr A, Mr B, Mr C and Mr D.
These guys would sift through the information passed on by the general agents assigned to them and pass through information to Mr X and Mr Y.

General Agents.
These would be the characters in use by us, given out to people deemed trustworthy by anyone in the upper echelons. In exchange for a free character and playtime (we'd pay the GTC's obviously) all they have to do is pass on a little information to us. These people would obviously be picked from our alliance for loyalty.

Blahblahblah... ot goes on and on....

Our participation is shit anyway with allies out of the equation

Pecking order.

HZFJ-M Goon (sov3)
0-G8NO Goon (sov3)
77S8-E Goon (sov4)
ETA; 2-3 weeks

GB-6X5 Goon
DG-8VJ Goon
O-W778 Goon
MD-OAW Goon
ETA; 3-5 weeks

E8-YS9 UNL
Z-H2MA UNL
2O-EEW UNL
ETA; 4-8 weeks

Timeframe; 1-2 months.

With EXE starting up on TCF installations, this will cut a line straight through goon turf, and, isolate the feyth/eso/ps goons from the rest, while setting us up for tenerifis, as well as omist.

To save time for our russians, i will use SCA to take PS, since Feyth is most likely gonan be a long haul, thats where the trenches are.

If i overlooked something, or forgot something, let me know.

Jump-pos needs to be setup in 3-3EZB, which reaches all the systems listed, as a middle pos with dread 4/4.

2007-12-17, 17:30 #11
Jake Noble
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RAT. - Evil Thug says:
i thought i answered this question when we you invited other bob directors into chat.
RAT. - Evil Thug says:
pain with logistic in getting to pb
RAT. - Evil Thug says:
our allies will be fucked also.
RAT. - Evil Thug says:
we were coordinating with them (goons) for like 1 year.
RAT. - Evil Thug says:
we were receiving direct military support from them, when it was needed
RAT. - Evil Thug says:
(RA)
RAT. - Evil Thug says:
we wont them get fucked
RAT. - Evil Thug says:
at fact, that we are helping bob

*Somewhere in deep space*
Dianabolic: The goon spymaster Mittani (who constantly lies to everyone) says he has our super secret director forums archived and intends to publish them.
Molle: We msut squahs tis morlae affceting bowl.
Dianabolic: But how?
Molle: Pubish uor speur secrte dircetor furoms imaditly!
Dianabolic: Brilliant.
*later*
Dianabolic: Guys, the goon spymaster Mittani (who constantly lies to everyone) says he only has 40% of the super secret director forums archived.
Molle: Spot pubic assecc ot speur secrte dircetor furoms imeditly!

Hi Kieron,

Welcome back (I assume u, along with most of the staff, have been on a much deserved break).

Below is a copy of the mail I sent to Omir, if you need anything else, just holler

Omir,

Please set the following corps to positive for the Blood Raider faction:

Black Eclipse Corp [BNC.E]
Black Nova Corp [BNC]
Reikoku [RKK]
Evolution [EVOL]
Rough-Necks Inc [RN]

We shall also soon be creating an official alliance, which we would obviously want setting to the same positive, we'll pass that information to you once it is finalised.

Pilots to receive +9.5 standings:
Bubbles
oropendia
Louisa Torres
dimensionZ
CapnMordo
Prime Mover
Fourier
TinyM
Alex Capone

One more is to be forwarded to you shortly. We would also like to request that all current members of the above corps that are currently at negative standings to yourselves have their Blood Raider faction set to neutral. Also, as per our original agreement, please remove your sovereignty claim from outside the two constellations it was agreed you would settle in, particularly the system of NOL-M9.

Regards,

Dianabolic

p.s. Kieron, we never sent the 10th name in.

p.p.s the sovereignty issue is ongoing, we've had numerous petitions closed (the gm's believe it is the same bug as the rest of the game is suffering, whilst it quite obviously (to us and others, anyway, not) - could you suggest to me how we could elevate this matter beyond the gm's we're having to deal with, or is there not a procedure in place for that?

In response to:

Omir,

We would like you to use your influence within CONCORD to have the corporations "Band of Brothers" and "B.O.B Corp" struck from their register [ooc we believe that both corps are inactive and due for deletion anyway] so that we may register our official Alliance: Band of Brothers [BoB] (please see petition No050703-000172 for details).

In order to facilitate our future plans, we would like 1 Gallente Freighter.

In order to help your followers recoup from their campaign in Bleak Lands we would also like 3 bhaalgorn bpc's.

Expediency is of the essence, we look forward to hearing from you.

I've seen that pop up a few times, and it's getting perpetuated just like 'we stole 8.5 trillion isk!!!' due to misreading.

That log looks like BoB asked Thug to attack MC after MC turned on BoB.  Thug says that 1) it's hard to get to period basis 2) he's been working with GS for a year, 3) RA's been helping him a lot and 4) he's not going to let RA/GS get hurt by having -A- help BoB.  I think the misconception comes from the last line, but you have to remember ET's english grammar is about as good as my russian grammar.

However you read it, it does show that Molle and Evil Thug were on speaking terms and appeared to get along even during the middle of the war.

Seleene approaches Molle about blue standings (apologies for terrible formatting)

Dear CCP, please make rats stop shooting at us, allow us to run pirate missions, give us ships and bpcs, revoke NPC sov on these systems we want to take, and tell your GMs to stop closing our petitions.

Those have to be trolls.

However you read it, it does show that Molle and Evil Thug were on speaking terms and appeared to get along even during the middle of the war.  It does lend credit to Evil Thug's chest beating about E-Honor, right up to the point where he resets standings with Goonswarm then allies with BoB and BDCI a year and a half later.

Don't presume malice etc. EVE is old game, in a way it's fascinating to see people with no clue about its past events. Double so if it makes them cry. :why_so_serious:

Dear CCP, please make rats stop shooting at us, allow us to run pirate missions, give us ships and bpcs, revoke NPC sov on these systems we want to take, and tell your GMs to stop closing our petitions.

That, uh, is pretty much standard. MC was talking to Fluff and Koth during the Northern Invasion, I know plenty of MC/ETNY directors convo'ing GS directors who happened to be mates. Heck, we had a meeting between Molle, Sel, LV-leadership and ET during the Prohibition campaign when -A- arrived to assist IAC. On the same teamspeak server as the combined ISS/FIX/MC fleet, not exactly a secret that most folks talk to each other. It's a game, a shared hobby after all.

A link to the thread quoted above

http://www.bandofbrothers.org.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=1421

a link to the setup thread(chatlog)

http://www.bandofbrothers.org.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=1191

Basically when Delve was made partial NPC space, CCP got in contact with BOB and arranged which systems would go where and BoB got standings in return.

Not sure if its something that is bad or not.

cflux
FINFL Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 1,007
This is thread where we can spam goonfleet intel.

I'm not going to edit posts to contain only the important stuff, since I'm too short on time to do so.

They use extremely heavy Stenography, so never copy anything to public forums or give anything copied forward.

I'm sure it's hard for a lot of us to understand how the game worked four years ago and maybe this was something quite commonplace although on the other hand maybe it's quite indicative of how Bob CCP relations had started on a far too comfortable footing, and as Sir T has pointed out Kieron was fired last year in a mysterious fashion.

Is this the same RP stuff that Mirial got in trouble for digging into?

I have no sympathy left for BoB after reading some of the shit they said about us, and other allies in that forum. I hope to see screenshots of them ratting in empire soon.

17:36 @silver0 • are rkk on vacation or :-)
17:36 @enjoi • lol
17:36 @enjoi • rkk have been crap lately silvero
17:36 @enjoi • end of story pretty much
17:37 @Pagefault • but they still end up on top of the kb every month
17:37 @Cleisthenes2 • we have dice and bnc making most of bob participations
17:37 @Bone • 28 in Eclipse not in gang so C
17:37 @Cleisthenes2 • rest are fucking useless
17:37 @Cleisthenes2 • meaning evol and rkk
17:37 @Pagefault • 39 of 46 of nova in fleet
17:38 @Bone • Have evol got an op on? 8 in fleet ?
17:38 @The_Government • and 4 are alts of current people i think
17:38 @Bone • and 1 SA.

16:08 @Cleisthenes2 • ffs
16:08 @Cleisthenes2 • cflux whines
16:09 @Cleisthenes2 • whiny lil shit

15:30 @Cleisthenes2 • all they ever do is fucking whine coranor
15:30 @Cleisthenes2 • thol and clfux
15:30 @Cleisthenes2 • they make it sound like they doing all the work
15:30 @Cleisthenes2 • honestly they do fuck all

I have no sympathy left for BoB after reading some of the shit they said about us, and other allies in that forum. I hope to see screenshots of them ratting in empire soon.

Wait, you were in RKK right. So confused.

Etc...  There are literally MB of this stuff.  The thing that impresses me most now is that Molle manages to keep these people when they loathe each other so much.

My understanding is the key difference here is Goons tell other Goons shit directly, while this other stuff was formerly hidden behind the back shit talking.

I believe the other half of it is that "jewing faggot" is a compliment.

Goon "culture" can be a bit perplexing to outsiders (and probably many insiders).

Goon "culture" can be a bit perplexing to outsiders (and probably many insiders) at times.

KenZoku "culture" can be a bit perplexing to outsiders (and probably many insiders) at times.

Reading the "GBC lack of leadership" thing... man they fucking are disgusted by us...

They're less than kind to us (ranking us as 'Crap') but they did comment on us having 'big numbers'.

All of us knew this, the only difference is that now it's public

That being said, the thread is closed right now, but it rapidly became clear that what they care about is organization and leadership. They think the GBC is totally disorganized, and it is.

So some of Bob think we are crap?
frankly i think someone with the name k1lz should try to keep as low profile as he can so no one will notice his fagoty name.

welp if we had dispro poses in every damn system then maybe we could fly a fleet of fucking Nightmares but u know ....

They talk about organization and yet they got disbanded. The irony is just mind boggling.

Can anyone tell me what really happened to he alliance BOB (Almighty)

Who knows what this k1lz is basing his opinion off of though, and i did not check the date of the post.

Ahh the Irony of BoB getting disbanded after smacking on allies..

...words..

I DONT HAVE TO DO WHAT YOU TELL ME TOO.. YOURE NOT THE BOSS OF ME.
Oh wait.. you are.

I'm done with these fucks. I personaly will no longer participate in any "BoB" op. <pet> ops for me only.

If that means leaving <pet> then so be it. I joined <pet>, NOT BoB and not the GBC.

To be honest I simply can't understand why anyone would want to continue to after what they've said and done directly to <pet> now and in the past.

Some people need to remember that a pilot doesn't need a gazillion skill points to be useful.

As for BoB and all that shit, well, frankly, don't give a fuck. <pet> ain't BoB. BoB doesn't do what <pet> does and <pet> doesn't do what BoB does and I really have no interest in <pet> being Bob. If I wanted to be BoB, I would join them.

Secondly, if BoB doesn't want us here helping them, fine by me. I have said it before and I will say it again, <pet> doesn't need bob. We can go anywhere we want and have fun.

Words of wisdom at last !

How ISS was done, its fine. They took way too much for the amount of work needed to keep them in line. For RISE and <pet> we need to suck their cock, teach them and make them good allies.
Apparently I missed out on the blow job though

fair enough....okay, they used to want to give us all blow jobs..

Well, large part of this stuff comes from their directors' forum which would in my eyes work as telling shit directly, since they all had access to it. Given that, i think that 'key difference' thing doesn't really exist here -- people generally can talk shit about mutual friend both directly to person in question *and* when they're not around, and it doesn't mean there must be malice to it when it's said while that person isn't listening. E.g. i'd be surprised if no two Goons ever crack a joke at some silly setup of another Goon they spot on kill mail if that 3rd Goon doesn't happen to be online at that very moment so they can listen to it, too... and if they do joke about it, it doesn't mean they loathe that 3rd guy, does it?

Goon "culture" can be a bit perplexing to outsiders (and probably many insiders) at times.

Well, large part of this stuff comes from their directors' forum which would in my eyes work as telling shit directly, since they all had access to it. Given that, i think that 'key difference' thing doesn't really exist here -- people generally can talk shit about mutual friend both directly to person in question *and* when they're not around, and it doesn't mean there must be malice to it when it's said while that person isn't listening. E.g. i'd be surprised if no two Goons ever crack a joke at some silly setup of another Goon they spot on kill mail if that 3rd Goon doesn't happen to be online at that very moment so they can listen to it, too... and if they do joke about it, it doesn't mean they loathe that 3rd guy, does it?

The whole concept of eHonour is bollocks, goons are shitheads and always will be, that's why things like Remedial running off with half the titan fund is funny and not cause to stop goons logging in.

Goons also love drama.  Nothing gets Goons logging in like some quality drama.  Internal drama?  External drama?  Who the hell cares!

If our foes could induce consistent, mind-boggling boredom somehow, that might be their best hope for discouraging Goon participation.

Reading the stuff BoB said about their allies and each other, it really didn't seem to me as if they were joking or doing the sort of ribbing that friends do to each other.

By way of variety, here is some porn from Kenny pets who have been reading how much they are valued by their Kenny masters.  It's an interesting mixture of disillusionment, moments of clarity and cognitive dissonance ("we may be crap but we're lots of crap!"):

(words)

Someone failed to read my last post.

#rkk - All RKK members.
http://www.exploiter.org/users/l-c/misc/rkk.txt

Much appreciated, is the rkk one not on-line or is it just me being daft?

18:26 < Nova> even if we lose our stations, we'll still stay together
18:26 < Kirkland> true ^
18:26 < Luciender> If we loose our stations, were going to npc stations
18:26 < Kirkland> Even if we had fuck all
18:26 < Kirkland> i'd be on the frontline in my commandships fighting
18:26 <@Sforza> Kirkland you're missing the point.. when people have chosen the lesser of two evils, they've chosen goons
18:26 < Kirkland> i dont give a shit
18:26 < Luciender> and making sure whoever occupies delve... is going to have a very... very very hard time keeping it.
18:27 < Nova> and it means we'll have less to worry about (running pos's etc) and get more pvp!

18:27 < Nova> and it means we'll have less to worry about (running pos's etc) and get more pvp!

Thol (and everyone else who has an issue) stop fucking bitching like (as you all so eloquently put it) every other no mark shit head alliance and fucking FIX the shit you have a problem with. No, seriously. No, we're not up to mark on LOTS of stuff, I have spent the last month speaking to my directorate on how best to contribute to this alliance. It has taken longer than I wanted it to but it is being done. But, you know what? It's getting done. It's getting done long before it becomes an issue because I've still got my guys out there, in fleet, on ts, on command, TRYING to help.

And that is the best we can ask of any of us. No, LOTS of us aren't as active as we used to be. Hell, LOTS of us aren't as active as we WANT to be, but fuck me that's just the way it is. We've always punched above our weight and we've ALWAYS fucked with people far above our numbers, and ya know, if we eventually (now or some day) come up against people who we can't take then woopy fucking doo, honestly that don't mean shit to me - and it shouldn't mean shit to you.

We DO need to adjust our play style. We can NOT just blasé in to any old encounter anymore, we need to EVOLVE... but we ain't gonna fucking do that by WHINING (hi everyone!).

So, this forum has had a grand total of "fuck all" posts on this issue, other than cflux (<3) post on bs fittings - sort your shit out people. If you're active, start posting, start fucking fixing it - if you're not, wait for those that are and then CONTRIBUTE (if you can) (if you can't, hi, merry xmas).

But jesus people, one thing is gonna kill this alliance before anything else and that is the people at the top bitching and not FIXING.

Those that lead fleets every day, I salute you, I always have and I always will - eventually i want to BE you (shit, I used to BE you!), when my time allows it, but in my time in BoB I have lead BoB, whilst every other corp has had to take a back seat. In my time in BoB I have been lead BY BoB, because I have had to take a back seat - I have followed every corp in this alliance by hook or crook and right now we all need to follow each other.

If we can't then, inevitably, some of us will split - but for the fucking love of god, don't let us split because we're fucking average. We're not. If we need the evil end of time ceo meeting then let's have it but I am getting really fucking bored of seeing the logs from #bobsecure that make me think "lol".

Ya'll know what I'm saying here guys, let's fix this shit.

When i joined bob there was a sence of pride in being that little bit ahead of the curve. Which for me is why i play games, as i am a very competetive person. But nowadays people don't care if their members use t1 guns, or undock their dread when told not to, bouncing 250 of the station with hostiles in local and the friendly gang 16 jumps away.

I do get pissed off about many of these things, mainly becus we have portrayed ourselves as being better then the rest, and now we're applauding mediocracy. Hell i even had people tell me that my ts rants on ppl that fuck up were not really appreciated. I should pat them on the back ofc

Yaay was stopped from FCing by what was essentially a popular outcry/OH GOD SAVE US appeal to Molle. This was unprecedented at the time and has not been done since. There was a good reason for it.

The main problem was that he never took responsibility for ANYTHING. He'd kill an entire fleet by warping it into a bubble vs 4x numbers and then spend half an hour ranting about "goonie spies" on TS. The guy's voice would start to crack and you could hear the spit hitting the mic, it was pretty gross. It was also absolutely demoralizing to the point that USTZ became about 10-15 people unless Twd/Molle/someone was alarm clocking and then suddenly they all came out of the woodwork. The guy managed to take one of the most enjoyable, intense, and morale BOOSTING periods of time (the battle of delve) and make people not want to log in.