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http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=14316.msg230826#msg230826

Basically WoWAce is crushed by their bandwidth usage so they're teaming up with Curse to make a new SVN/addon distribution deal. That means their updater is going away and now you're gonna have to use Curse's closed-source, curse-account requiring client. Oh yeah, we've reached the dreaded point of "Premium" (http://www.curse.com/content/PremiumFAQ.aspx) accounts now. Your money I guess goes to bandwidth and to actually paying mod authors through a "author rewards" program as well as some meaningless shit (No ads, fancy forum features, auto-addon updating).

So uh, basically I'm going to be updating all of my mods by hand now. Oh well, was good while it lasted.

For those of us who never used it, welcome back!  :grin:

Now I'm glad I never used the SVN. I feel bad, however, for alot of my guildies who will be updating addons my way going forward.

Fuuuuuck.

This is another decent updater. http://www.wowmatrix.com/ (http://www.wowmatrix.com/)

I've only really used Omen, which I've updated manually via the zip.


I have a boss mod that I haven't updated in forever, but I doubt that's an issue.

I haven't played in a while, but wuu (http://wuu.vagabonds.info/) used to be pretty good.


-- Z.

Yup!  Those auto-downloader things never seemed to work right way back when, so I just edit my one add-on by hand.

I have my doubts about Wow Matrix as they don't show what version anything is and I've seen a fair number of mod authors gripe about them messing with versions.

I use(d) WAU (along with Curse) but there's also WUU at http://wuu.vagabonds.info/menu.php#gettingstarted that you may want to look into. It supports Curse, Wow ACE, Cosmos, CT and WoW Interface (but not WoWUI who've been working on updating their recently hacked autodownloader and dislike other people accessing thier stuff.)

Ace going over to Curse is sad but probably inevitable.

How annoying :/  I use loads of addons, gonna be a real pain to go back to manual updates.

Maybe I'll just wait until wotlk and let the alternatives settle down then start with a clean slate, probably a right mess in my addons folders O_o

Wowmatrix uses their own cache of addons, which addon authors hate because they have no control over it.

WUU still works fine -- better than Curse, since it supports multiple sources.

How can you guys use so many addons?  Doesn't it interfere with your performance?

[I mean _game_ performance]

Not really. Some addons hit your CPU hard and that causes an FPS drop but usually all most addons do is use more memory.

Recount and a few other mods are pretty CPU intensive but Unit Frame/Map/Action Bar mods don't really do much.

Plus I've got an addon that tells me which mods are using too much RAM and I just turn those mods off or tweak their settings :p

Fucking curse updater is annoying the crap out of me.  With WAU, I updated without externals.  When something screwed up my addons, it was easy to figure out what did it cause I could check the data of what mods were recently updated.  Curse updater not only doesn't bother to give me the option to update without externals, it doesn't seem to even bother to have a list of what it's updated, unless I look at the little progress boxes and write down the names in each one as they zip by.

That sounds a lot like the old ACE2 updater. Pissed me off. Using externals is supposed to be good for the system as mod authors can import in odd libraries but it never has really gelled imo. Plus it was annoying as hell before the external system was added because you had to keep a whole ace lib installation or risk downloading something only to have it not run until you'd tracked down specific versions of the library.

When the patch went live the URL files.wowace.com got taken down. That was how I had always updated my addons that were ACE-based. I still didn't use the Curse updater but I ended up getting most of my addons FROM curse. Soooooooo annoying. If anyone has an updater solution that isn't curse but can access files on their database as well as, ideally, wowinterface stuff please let me (us) know. The process for me was: go to curse, search for addon, click a link, click another link, click download, confirm mirror. Fucking ridiculous, I guess just hitting the addon once and having it download made me lazy and spoiled.

The best part is that some addons like X-Perl Unit Frames haven't been properly uploaded or updated on curse's website so if I load up their updater and use it, my unit frames get broken until I can redownload it from wowinterface. Also there's no way to tell their shitty updater to not update specific addons.

...and Clearfont2 is broken. I want that mod back goddamn it!

Right-click the addon in the updater list to tell it not to update that one.  I've got it working mostly ok (still with externals) and at some point they added a log so you can see what it's updated.

I still want WAU back.

This.

How do you get around every GD addon pack using Gatherer and having the updater ask you if you want it from the pack? Or do I just need to get it updated from one of them and it'll stop asking me?

Wouldn't be so bad and I'd just use WUU ( http://wuu.vagabonds.info/menu.php#gettingstarted ) but I use Curse for my WAR addons and I kinda like having it available for WoW. May have to revise that thought.

So what has happened to a lot of the major addons? I downloaded Auctioneer last night, labled stable for 3.12 but half of it's items were disabled or had conflicts. Then when I loaded into the game it told me it didnt exist and offered to delete it.

Well auctioneer is gone, it's now advanced auctioneer. Best upgrade is to leave the stuff in the WTF folder and delete everything from auctioneer in the add ons. Then good luck figuring out its interface and getting any sort of legit results out of it.

This was a fresh install and the advanced was not offered as an upgrade for download.

Hmm, I'm not having any problems other than it being the new version. There's a new version as of, I think it's this morning.

The WUA was the greatest thing ever for the lazy man.

But the ace2 framework, and now the battle between Ace3 and Rock is basically creating a lot of bloat and weird cross library errors it seems, and as ckknight has been alluding to on the pitbull thread on curse....the curse client is a PoS.

I think I am going to start working on building a UI in OpenRDX either this weekend or next. Try and wean myself off of stuff that is part of the whole Ace3/Rock pissing match (also means I get stuff from a non-curse site).

I use quest and raid addon.

Just had a thought, aren't we going to have to go through all this again in 4 weeks?

I'm guessing LK is going to b0rk lots of addons too. If I was am author of any even vaguely complex addon or addon-updater-app then I'm not sure I'd spend a lot of time coding fixes right now when I could just wait a month and do it all in one go.

Apart from some kind of Totem management, I'm not going to bother my arse.  I suspect there's going to be a lot of hot fixing and another patch in 4 weeks anyway.

Screw that.

(Seriously, Blizzard totally suck at helping Shammies and the totems.  It's silly.)

It will, you're right.  And then every few weeks for a month or two after that as things are tweaked, patched or otherwise altered to fix things that weren't intended or aren't working right. The same thing happened with BC and with the original launch AND Blizz can't seem to resist fucking with their UI code on every patch.  Yet another reason to not bother with a shitload of mods, especially now that WAU is gone.

I thought this patch collated all elemental totems into one now?

Um eh ?

It makes totems (the ones that you put on your sheet and 'use' replace carrying those four fucking totems around, but the actual casting and whatnot is unaffected ?

If you know something I don't PLEASE SPILL !

That and it swapped around the effects of several totems so they weren't conflicting or useless.  So in terms of "helping shaman out" they really just made it "you always have to drop 4 totems to be effective."  AND, as Ironwood said, you still have to expend 4s dropping the fuckers every 10 yards while leveling.  Yes, their range is 40 yards BUT dropping them and moving around in their 40 yard range means some wandering fuck will ALAWYS aggro it and then add one or two buddies to kill you while in the middle of killing something else.

Totems are why I gave up on my shaman.  Fucking crappy mechanic.

Key to levelling is to spec enhance, and not drop any totems unless you absolutely have to.

I concur (with a few points in elemental for the casting bonuses).  Other than a mana or health regen I rarely drop totems after 20 or so.

Yeah, I never bother with totems unless I'm in a group.

In terms of WOTLK and add ons, supposedly this patch was WOTLK and the official release will just be patching new zones. I'm sure it will break some things, but it won't be the huge issue this one was.

You're all kinda dancing off the point I was making :

I'm simply talking about the sheer fucking amount of totems you have versus the amount of boxes you have in the UI.

Totems are hugely messy and something like Totem timers is almost mandatory. 

well, I used this oppurtinity to dump all my raid frrames and just use Grid.

Also, I bought another 22" widescreen monitor and am now running dual monitors.  With the CT_ Viewport mod I'm able to have all the game rendering in monitor 1 and all my chat windows, Grind, action bars, maps, etc on the other monitor.

Yeah, I use a totem stomper macro (/castsequence totem1,totem2,totem3,totem4) and manually alter it before every instance run depending on group composition. I only have important pvp totems hotkeyed, which is still a lot even with Gkeys and alt/ctrl modifiers, not to mention the huge number of actual spells I need to use (even though the removal of downranking, the sorta-nerf to windfury totem and the addition of cleanse spirit freed up some slots)...

As a resto shaman, my currently hotkeyed abilities are: water shield, lightning shield, earth shield, purge, cleanse spirit, lightning bolt, chain lightning, frost shock, earth shock, flame shock, wind shock (this one is on the same key as earth shock depending if I have a focus target or not), ghost wolf, healing wave, lesser healing wave, chain heal, riptide, heroism, totemic recall, NS+heal macro, tidal force, gift of the naaru, earthbind totem, tremor totem, grounding totem, mana tide totem, stoneclaw totem, stoneskin totem, poison cleansing totem, flametongue totem, wrath of air totem, fire resistance totem, frost resistance totem, fire nova totem, magma totem, searing totem... that's like 30 hotkeys right there, and that doesn't even include trinket hotkeys, or lesser-used abilities, ugh. I imagine I'll have to keybind disease cleansing totem after WOTLK as well when eleventy billion DKs flood the scene.

(And yeah, stoneclaw IS effective in pvp against certain abilities. :p)


-- Z.

Amen to that.  My totem mod is the only one that broke that I outright replaced, the rest I can make do until it's fixed or I find something new.  I like totems, honestly, and how we have one for most situations, but the default UI fails miserably in making them easy to use. 

As to using them, in generic daily/quest stuff, I really only drop them if I know I'm about to take on something tough, like a group, a packed area, or a higher leveled mob.  Except the grounding totem, that one I drop a lot.  Between the spirit wolves and shamanistic rage, I never need to worry about the health/mana I'd save dropping them for every encounter.  I also like having grace of air rolled into strength of earth now. 

I notice some bad words said in this thread about the Curse client. Could someone elaborate a bit? I've just installed it to have a look and it seems OK, but it did say something about a Premium trial. Is the non-premium (which I assume it'll swap back to at some point) heavily crippled or full of ads or something?

No idea, but the trial said the free version doesn't auto-update you have to do a manual pick and choose of which mods to update.  That alone is enough to not bother with installing it, imo.

This intrigues me.  I happen to have an extra old monitor available.

You, sir are amazing to me for having bought an extra 22" monitor for WOW.

How do you get the game on one window and all the addons on another?

The only thing I know is that I know nothing and that doubly applies to Shamans which is the only class I don't have on my roster. I shall, henceforth, shut up about all matters shamanistic.

Bar addons, however, are fast becoming an essential requirement. Any recomendations? Also - 30+ hotkeys? WTF? I don't have that many fingers!  What sort of configuration do you use?

It was just an excuse to buy a new monitor :)  I had a 21" crt that had paired with a 22" widescreen and I wanted to reclaim the realestate on my desk. To do it, I just followed this guide

http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/05/11/dual-heading-and-wow-a-how-to-guide/

In a nutshell, you make your two monitors act as one giant descktop 3380*1050.  Then you tell Wow to run in that res.  The Mod CT_Viewport lets you set the rendered area to where you want it.  So you just tell it to only render on 50% of your 3380*1050 monitor, which just happens to be the size of one monitor.

Then I just dragged all my crap to the other side. 

The problem I have with the Curse client is it just doesn't work, and it lies to you on top of that. Sure I updated your addons! See, they have today's date now!

Actually I turned off auto-updating because auto-updating is annoying especially when things are wonky like after a patch (not every update is a good idea - if things are working reasonably well, you don't touch them until a few weeks down so you know the updates then are reasonably final).

In order to manually update you just click the 'check for update' button, it reorganizes the list putting the ones with updates at the top with an icon that shows they need to be updated, then you shift-click to highlight them all and click Update Addon.  Get to control exactly when and which ones get updated and it's no problem.

Dispite having used WUA for the past 2 years I still would happily go back to downloading everything by hand if the damn crap just worked right. I've been waiting on XPerl and Fubar to stop being buggy messes for a week and no one seems to be doing much.

Anyone on the beta server know how things are going there? I'm suspecting some more patches will fix parts of the lua engine and that the authors have it fixed with the new code from beta and are just waiting for the code from Blizzard to be patched in. For some reason I find bugs withing 2 min of trying to install a lot of mods I'm looking to update so the bugs must be obvious.

X-Perl works fine for me. Never liked Fubar however.

X-Perl and FuBar are both working fine for me too, sounds like it might be a conflict with some other addon maybe? Also, I've not exactly played much, just logged on a couple of chars and sold 1200g worth of herbs. I could still have a plethora of horrid UI bugs waiting to be discovered, but by the time I can actually play for more than 10 mins a day it will all need updating again anyway :p

WAIT WHAT

How do you do this? Do you... just have windowed mode and drag it across two monitors, or?

I posted a link above.  Here is what it looks like currently.  The stuff on the left is my left monitory, and the stuff one the right is what i see on my right monitor.  I have MIRC and firefox running on the empty space on the right, but that doesn't get picked up on the screenshots.

(http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/3852/wowscrnshot102008165448uu4.th.jpg) (http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot102008165448uu4.jpg)(http://img183.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif) (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)

How do you play like that?

I can't imagine it.

Looks awesome to me! If my 2nd monitor wasn't attached to a 2nd computer (running a 2nd account) I'd give it a go myself. Oh and also if I wasn't still fucking crippled.

I'd guess it only really works if you're a keyboard shortcut ability kinda person. Hotbar clicking would be very O_o

I don't think the screenshot does it Justice.  Keep in mind this is actaully two monitors you are loooking at.  When I'm raiding, I'm only looking at the left monitor.  I'll drag over Grid and Omen and leave everything else on the right monitor. 

I use Clique and hotkeys for all of my spells, so I never have a need to look at the right monitor. 

Okay, so it is just dragged windowed mode - yeah, CT_Viewport or equivalent mod makes that pretty easy.

I'd feel naked without my screen cluttered with shit - my other monitor is for web browsing and ventrilo-ing.

If you have an automatic updater, how do you avoid viruses?

This question makes no sense to me. Could you expand upon it please?

This:

http://www.wowace.com/announcements/warning-another-trojan-on-wowui-worldofwar-net/ (http://www.wowace.com/announcements/warning-another-trojan-on-wowui-worldofwar-net/)

Whether it downloads automatically or manually, it's the same thing. At least with an automatic updater, it's from a legit site and you won't be hitting the slightly misspelled names thing.

On the trojan thing, I'm rather appalled at how many keylogger links are left on the official forums. Can't they blacklist some of these on a filter ffs? Either way my usb thingie should be in the mail today or tomorrow.