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I'm thinking of starting a new 'toon somewhere, most likely a PvP server, and PROBABLY an RPPvP server as they seemed to have a more mature playerbase than others.

Ideally, I'd just like to hook up with about 8-10 other people, start up a little informal guild and level up and run 5 man raids.  No catassing, just very casual.  Playtimes between 9-11 pm CST.

Any interest in that sort of thing?  If so, post below.  So far, 8 people are game.  Need two more for guild creation.

Faction: Horde
Server: Venture Company

So far:
F13 handle / In game name / Class
Snakecharmer / Phellen / Undead Warlock
Nebu / Neboo / Orc Shaman
we are lesion (maybe?) / Unknown / Unknown
Hal / Unknown / Unknown
Righ / Righ / Cow Druid
Miasma / Unknown / Unknown
Morfiend / Unknown / BE Priest
Stu / Stugreth / Undead Rogue
Driakos / Ramuz / BE Pally
Signe / Kochanski / Pally
Signe / Gotherella / Rogue
Bhodikhan / Bury / BE Pally

I'm a member of a small low level guild of friends on the Venture CO server (PvPRP).

I may be interested.  My only concern is moving to an established pvp server and having to immediately deal with the arms race due to flocks of twinks with crazy gear running around.  I'm thinking I'd play either a rogue or a shaman.

TBH, I'm not really concerned with other players.  Don't care if its horde or alliance.  A small little guild/group that exists in its own vacuum of entertainment.  Just figured the PvP part would add an interesting dimension to it, but can do without it.  (edit) Figured the RPPVP servers might contain a little less kiddies and l33t3rs.

In my experience "RP" servers act as little more than a name filter.  I actually like allowing stupid names as it immediately identifies idiots I want to avoid. 

Let me know what you need.  I'll happily level anything that would help a 5 man.  Soloing my level 70 rogue is getting old and I'd love to find a group to play the other 80% of the game with.

I figure we can work classes out once people show some interest.  I don't care what I play, as I don't have much experience in the game. 

Just to add a little bit:

Don't care if we're horde or alliance.
Don't care if we PvP or not.
Don't care if it's a new server or old.
No guild leader.  The guild chat box is just a way for us to communicate without having to worry about the outside world.  Would probably prefer use of TS or Vent and be done with it.
No catassing.
Log in.  Play.  Log out.  Casual, muh bruthahs and sistahs.
If you need it, you can have it/we can get it mindset.

The goal is casual fun with a small group of solid people.

I'm horde,and casual. We don't invite randoms. (Oh, and backed by 4 level 70's in another guild {who will be paying for the guild bank, cause its dam handy}, this low level guild is for alts (of the 70's), and nubs like me, most of us play together and are RL friends).

Most of the serious twinks sit in battlegrounds all the time anyway because there's the very real possibility of them actually losing a fight :ye_gods: in the wider world.

Just made a warrior on Venture named Burrick, but if nobody wants to play healy-type I can make a priest or something.

I'll play a shaman... that's heal-y enough for you, isn't it?

I think the only thing we don't have in out Nub guild is Tanks.

If anyone wants an invite, Game-mail me:  Subject:F13 == Motherfucking

Trucegore, undead warlock. Ill add you to friends, and shoot you an invite when i see you come online.

So who is up for this little endeavor?  Someone pick a server, and I'll roll a 'toon there tonight.

I might roll a newbie character to play with you guys for a while until it ends the way 95% of f13 guilds end. But then again, I might not. Let me know server and side.

RE: RP servers. I was playing on one of the RPPVP servers for a while, and I have to admit that I liked it much better than a normal PVP server. It was fun to walk around and see people RPing in town, also the people in general seemed much nicer. I have never had so many people just walk up to me and give me free gear, it was quite refreshing. I have a level 22 or so Night Elf druid on one of the RPPVP servers. Twisting Nether. If you guys play there I would pop in now and then to do some leveling. Druid is one of the classes I never got very high. I also wanted to do a BE Shadow Priest.

I'd be up for this. I think. The greatest resistance I have towards new servers is getting the stake needed for an epic mount. I would probably roll a cow druid by choice.

I just started up again to try some alts but I'm on the initial F13 server, Earthen Ring.  I've never really tried another.

Edit: Heh, remember back then?  Almost three years to the day. (http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=1598)

It would be too funny if you guys Roll Horde on The Venture company, since thats where we play.

I could go for this as the time frame suits me. Some one needs to call server and side.

I think the only thing we need to do to make this happen is to pick a server. No offense to Mrbloodworth, but we probably don't want it to be somebody else's alt guild on a server where they have established mains. The last servers that Blizzard added were the best part of a year ago, so there's no "new" servers really, though we'd probably do well to avoid ones with either high populations, low populations or what appears to be significant faction imbalances. I'd prefer it to be PvP, but I don't care if its RP-PvP or not.

Well, i understand, but the full story is a bunch of our friends just started playing (like 5 or so), so the ones with the 70's (like 4 or so) rolled alts to play with us..and then we made a guild. mostly they are in the same boat as Nebu, they are 70, and there is really nothing left for them to do. So, they mostly play with us. The only time they really log onto the mains is to do there battle ground weeklys (?). Shrug. I specifically told them i do not want any kind of tweaking (for my player), IMO it negates content.

Its up to you guys, but the offer is still open.

I am definately in and will play any class or faction.  I'm a little leary of a pvp server because I like to zone out when I pve, but having to pay attention may be good for me.  Someone that knows something pick a server.  I wouldn't mind if it were someplace with someone's 70 as this would give us the ability to create a guild and guild bank immediately to help eachother. 

I tend to play nukes but it would probably be good for me to learn to play a different kind of class. 

What's the class noone wants to play?

Modify:  Nebu, I've heard/read good things about the Ravenholdt (sp?) server, I think?  Possible?

http://www.wowwiki.com/Server:Ravenholdt_US

Bizarro-wow?

I guess it doesnt really matter, as people will stop playing before running in to the tank problem. But even established servers with tons of warriors have tanking shortages, so a server with a warrior shortage could be pretty horrible to find tanks at 70.

Also, let me quote this again so it sinks in.

Doesn't seem all that bad.

Then again, once we're in game and have a guild, I'll probably turn general chat off and just watch guild/group.  So, in effect, it doesn't matter to me where we go.  The only people I will be paying attention to is guildies and what we're doing, everything else will pretty much be white noise.  I can tune that out without a hitch.

Yeah the tank thing might be an issue, even if we never want to group outside our little guild - tell spam for anybody who plays a warrior or druid. Also Elf houses as de facto RP. Mmmm. Plus Righ was taken. Next. ;)

Can I get in on this? I just picked up Burning Crusade last week (yes, I'm late with everything) and I've been itching to create a Horde character.  :awesome_for_real:

Tis our plan, at 100g for a bank, not sure a group of noobs would get one anytime soon.

I wouldnt mind starting on Venture Co. Pretty much all servers are established, and having the backing of a few level 70s could help. Also, Ravenholdt sounds decent, but as some one planning on rolling BE if we did Horde, I am kind of scared by the BE overpopulation thing. I dont know how much I'll really play though, so dont hinge any thing on me. I just talking in to the air.

I'll roll a tank if need be.

Just don't yell at me when I f00k it up and wipe the entire group  :ye_gods:


Yeah, sure thing.  


So, someone flip a coin and decide if it's RH or VC?

Despite my misgivings about joining somebody else's guild of alts, I'm inclined to say VC. I also looked at the non-RP PvP servers from the last year, and they have the same problem as Ravenholdt - Horde heavy imbalance made up of Blood Elves, most of whom are paladins and warlocks. Example of what is being done:

http://www.wowwiki.com/Server:Blood_Furnace_US/Reasons_to_Join

So why don't we create a new guild on VC, get to know Mrbloodworth's non-F13 pals and see if we like them or if they are total wankers, and if we want to team up later, we can? Also, this way slog can laugh at our pitiful attempts to establish ourselves on his server, so at least we will provide some entertainment. :)

Works for me.  VC it is.

I won't be online until about 9 pm CST, and won't know a character name until then.

Installing...sigh. And so looking forward to patching.

Yeah, good luck with that Hal, my friend recently installed. 2gb+ of patches.

Also, if you guys wanted a Non RP server yet still PVP, my server is pretty damn awesome. Tichondrious.

If VC it is, I'll roll up a BE priest, with plans of going shadow if I get that high.

I second that.  Except the queues.

So on second thought... don't roll there.  :ye_gods:

Dont worry Jayce, I wont be leaving Tich ether. Just though rolling with these guys would be fun for a bit, and if I get it to my priest, and these guys quit I'll just transfer him over to Tich.

TS or Vent server, anyone?  Take over the F13 server?

I'll roll a toon on Venture Co this afternoon (I don't feel like being at work anyway).  I have no idea what class to make.  I guess I can see what others roll and just go from there.  If noone has a vent server, I suppose I could get one running but only if it's an absolute need.

I think we have one. But we all mostly play on a LAN =)

I can see if we can open it up for you guys? Ill have to talk to the owner, IF you guys want to.

EDIT: Side note, anyone use the built in chat?

I didn't even know WoW had built in VOIP...

I have yet to try it.

I can see if my officers mind if I open up out guild vent to you guys. We *could* use the f13 TS server, but TS sucks ass.

Yep (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/basics/voicechat.html)

(http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/basics/images/chat/ss14.jpg)

(http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/basics/images/chat/ss15.jpg)

I created an Undead Rogue on VC.

Name: Stugreth

The built-in voip works pretty well from the couple times I used it.

And there is the nice, ingame "talking" lights on unit frames so you can see who is talking if you don't recognize their voice.

Sound quality is about the same as vent.

As people post names / classes, I'll update the first post to give a little guidance as to what's needed.

I'll probably roll a tank of some sort, although that's the last thing I really need to play.  It will definately make things interesting!  

Edit:  Anyone want to come up with a guild name?
Second edit:  I'm actually kind of excited about this...

Since its a RP server, the name should be some what RP, then the natives will treat us better. Also, we should probably consider some soft of soft RP story, just in case anyone is in to that.

We could be wandering orphans whos parents have all been killed at a young age, and we are all secretly the heirs to the kingdom.

Maybe a  mercenary company called Thirteen.

I look forward to seeing you guys on the VC server. 

I'm a 375 tailor, so if you need bags send a note to JonPaul, undead shadowpriest extraordinaire.

Ok, im going to tell you right now. RP in WoW doesn't happen.

Not with the names, and guild names (READ: "Your mom is a hoard" <-- guild name).

There is no way you can convince me that the population of WoW RP's. Sorry. I would just drop that thought right now.

From what i can tel, you can use and have any name you want, no matter how offenses or stupid.

Go for it.

Neboo - Orc Shaman

(Damn CRM took my fricken name on EVERY damn server, GOD DAMNIT!)

I'm at the character creation screen.  Tempted to roll a warlock, but if we need a tank, I can go that route.

I can tank on my druid, Righ, since I'll probably stay feral for a long enough time.

Roger, dodger. 

Warlock it is.  I can always reroll if need be.

Just respec to Soul Link then you can tank in cloth.....damn warlocks.

Burrick five is alive (warr).

Phellen / Undead warlock (yeah, I know - original, baby!) up.

And I'm actually considering it too... so if you see me there don't be surprised.

I'm a closet altaholic. Well, maybe not too closet.

The RP folks on Venture use certain UI addons to communicate there RP intent to each other.  They generally are keep to themselves.

I'll play.

I rolled a Blood Elf Paladin.  I know, I know...  Name is Ramuz.

Considering the only way to get a pally is to be a BE, you're kinda forgiven.  :grin:

I'm considering joining you all for the month or two this will be hot as a troll mage.  Or maybe a Orc of some sort, but I really like the idea of an all-stealth gank team that Druid/ Rogue would give. Hrm.

Now I remember why I have about 15 alts.

Is Signe going to play?

There's a guild on my RP-server called "The Pirates Who Don't Do Anything" (or some variant -- that might be too long, but it was obvious what they were going for). And, of course, I was the founding and sole member of "Bald Men Walking" until I deleted by bald warrior.

Sounds like VC is a crappy RP-PVP server then. When I played on Twisting Nether there was a lot of RP going on all over the place.

I'm subbed and I made a BE rogue so I'm intending to play a bit now and then.  I'm after Xmas goodies!  I don't know how long I'll stay interested but, at least, I'll start in an area I've never seen before.  I know you're feeling the same lack of motivation for the current crop of games.  God, I hope one of the new games coming out will keep me interested for more than a month or so! 

I have a fancy new glowy keyboard, too, with a matching mouse!  Lately I've been staring blankly at  the glowy bits fading in and out while I pretend to play games. 

PS  I also made a Paladin because I've never played one of those.  Paladin = Kochanski, Rogue = Gotherella.  She really is rather goth looking.  I wonder how many people will /tell to complain.  I loves itl.

I'm sure he would love it if the guild were called:

Schild's Swashbucklers

Probably not many. A twinked Orc warrior offered to duel me. He was called Killznoobz. I also saw a couple of Tauren called Ilovejimmy and Ilovewayne running around together. This mirrors my experience of the PvE RP servers.

Kind of bummed that VC is a low pop server. Didnt know that before. Low pop servers are not that fun to level up on.

Said "medium" when I made my Troll.

Currently runnign around Eversong with Ramuz, name's Ewedoti, Troll Mage.

I have a BE Pally on VC. I'm bored raiding on my PVE server so I'm levelling him up. Level 5 in the first hour. Even made it to EPL with him.

Bury - Blood Elf - Paladin

WARNING:  I've only ever got to level 18 on any character in WoW.  I almost certainly suck.

Not at all, that's just where things slow down and start to get repetitive. Or you and I just get bored easily... I can't remember which it was.

I think the highest I've ever gotten was about 20 or 25.  You won't be alone.

And BTW, the VOIP is stellar and teh suck at the same time.
Stellar because it automatically lowers the game volume when someone speaks.
Teh suck because the voice is too low.  I had my mic turned all the way up in my systray, with micboost, and had it at 250 percent volume in game and Nebu could barely hear me.  And I'm not one you would call quiet.

Wow, What a patch experience. Any way Halaburtan is born a level 1 warlock. I may play a bit but I am pretty much done for this evening.

Guild is up, do a "/who Burning Region" and message anyone for an invite if needed.

Mathar - BE hunter - me

Kinras - BE pally - Jack, my Sother/partner

Be kind, we are not the Pee Vee Pee'in' types ...

Good fun tonight.

Let's hook up some folks tonight and get the lower level people leveled up to the rest of us.

Nebu and Righ are leveling freaks. 

And I am, without a doubt, the WORST warlock. 

Ever.

That is all.

Not possible....I have raided with and grouped with some people who were so terribad I was certain my cat could play better than they could.

Guild setup on RPG Outfitter: http://www.rpgoutfitter.com/WoW-GM/guild.cfm?guild=Burning%20Region@US-The%20Venture%20Co

You can get the addon to collect char info for uploading. Tracks profession levels and quests outstanding.

Vaguely tangential anecdote: My reroll-character is on a similar post-TBC RP-PvP server (Eu-Sporrregggaragagar or however it's spelt) and we had a few...issues with race/class selection - in the recruitment thread, people kept asking what classes the guild was short of and the replies were along the lines of "We need Warriors/Priests/Rogues/Hunters/Mages".

Yes, really. Warriors - ok, fair enough, they're thin on the ground on a lot of servers. Priests are moderately rare as well. But low numbers of rogues and hunters? On a PvP server? When was the last time that happened on the older servers?

We have loads of paladins, druids, shaman & warlocks though.  :awesome_for_real:

Oh yeah, and there's a strong Horde bias on my server (not sure on the exact numbers but at least 1.5:1 and probably larger)...and the racial split goes something like 55% BE/30% undead/10% tauren/5% orcs and trolls. Blizzard's plan to even out the sides by giving the Horde a bishounen/bishoujo* race seems to have worked a little too well.

(*Anime terms used because, well...look at the BE haircuts.  :grin:)

Looks like you guys could use a mage ;-)  I just might roll up for some fun.

undead / warlock / Nemarco

Already guilded.  Get going, non-guilded slackers!

About what level is the first group type dungeon?  Is there any sort of site that has a list of all the instances / level / group / prerequisite requirements?

Wow Wiki to the rescue:

Graphical - http://www.wowwiki.com/Instances_by_level

Tabular - http://www.wowwiki.com/Instance

RFC is typically first, followed by WC and SFK with an optional foray into the Deadmines (for extra special PvP fun.)

Oh, that's cool. 

RFC tonight, anyone?

I fixed this by going into the ingame sound menu and cranking the voice sound while lowering the game sound, then turning my speakers up. Seemed to help.

I died 5 times prior to getting level 8.

Beat that....

Strike that.  Decided to join the Cow People.  Steelwind, Tauren Hunter ^_~

Laleche, Druid.

It's so weird not having any gold.  I'm rich rich rich on my other server, but also getting bored bored bored.

Would be cool if Blizzard allowed inter-server transfers of gold (with some limit of course - even 20g would be nice).

On the other hand, it's definitely different.

Can't believe nobody made a hunter! 

See above.

I'm REALLY missing my rogue, but hope that the shaman will get better in a few levels.  I need to get ahead of the curve since I'll be gone most of next week.

Whoops!

Shaman gets better, especially with ghost wolf at 20.  I have a 29 enhancement shaman that only plays BGs - running the flag in WSG is so fun.  I caved and twinked her, so I'm keeping her at 29 for a while.  Seemed like 75% of the people in the 29 bg were twinked, as compared to 99% in the 19 bg.

(Btw, there's a very awesome 2handed axe that drops off the first boss in Razorfen Kraul called Corpsemaker, level 29.  It's got about a 20% drop rate.)

I thought about it, but decided against it at the last minute.  Only real regret is not making a cow <something>.

I'll hop on.  Just resubbed 3 days ago and started a BE hunter.  Will redo on VC.  Name is Atul.

Morfiend level 7 BE Priest.

Office Xmas party tonight so I probably wont be on till late if I am on. But hopefully some of us slower levelers can group up this weekend. Priest is not a fun solo class at low levels.

Just rolled a n00b troll warrior named Radli, if you guys are still looking for recruits (though I likely suck at world PvP).

Yeah, I'm the only one.   I ALMOST rolled a hunter, but decided I should try something different.  Now I'm glad I did, since CC is so necessary in both PvP and PvE.  I needs squishy help!

I didn't die but I played for hours and hours and got level 4. FOUR!  And who knew those glowy things were my lootz? 

What's with all the beds in Blood Elf town?  Are there alternate ways to level?

I absolutely suck at WoW PvP, Kail, but I don't think it matters.  This is just an f13 something to do together thingy.  If they were worried about being good, they wouldn't have let me in!

I deleted my Undead Rogue and replaced him with a BE Rogue with the same name- Stugreth. If I can get a re-invite I'd appreciate it.

I think Righ might be on right now.  I crashed and burned, unfortunately, so I'm having a bit of a sulk.

I was looking around and found out that Jame's horde guide had been updated for 2.3, nice. (http://www.wow-pro.com/leveling_guides/james_horde_leveling_guide_chapter_i)  There is also a guide to the ghostlands (http://www.wow-pro.com/leveling_guides/snowflakes_guide_to_ghostlands_12-21), I think I'll take all my alts through there instead of oldworld stuff.

Awesome.  That will do nicely.   :thumbs_up:

Alternative guide (http://www.ageofrebirth.com/WoWStuff/Braxis/), if anyone wants one.

Well, I'm Erivala, troll mage.  Should be an interesting time.

So it was pretty dead last night.. just us 4 catasses who are 12+ and poor dead Snake Charmer. (Really, it's just the Murlocs.)  Everyone burnt already, or holidays? 

There was talk of a RFC or WC run 'soon.'   I won't be around tonight, since I'll be playing with the wife on my regular server, but I'm up for it w/e else.

Holidays for me.  I'll be back today.

I played on my "real" server last night lest my friends forget me.  I was on this morning, dinging a massive 7.  I may be around today/tonight.

I've never leveled in the undead lands before, despite 3 or whatever years of playing, so it's interesting for me.

I've got a couple rolled on VC: Insanika (13 Undead Warlock) and Sangwynne (8 Blood Elf Mage - sort've looks like Peggy Bundy :D). I'll make note of names and see if I run across any of ya.

I left my "real" server to play with you saps.  How's that for commitment?

Unfortunately, I usually play during the day, EST.  But I plan to play a bit more in the evenings.  Well, unless someone has bought me something really cool to read for Xmas.

Holidays.  6 family members arrived last night.

I'm flip flopping between my troll warrior (because I have a thing for playing the least played races) and my undead warrior (because I hate having to pop bandages after EVERY SINGLE FIGHT).  Anyone have any useful advice on which way to go?  The troll is higher level (not by much at this point, obviously), but the undead seems to have better warrior racials.

Anyone got anything about trade skills we have/need?

Once I get this sorted out, I'll probably join... who do I whisper for that?  I've seen Nebu and Righ around, but I don't know who all has invite priviliges.

I was told there is no plan except to plan to fend for yourself until\unless things get rolling.  Which works for me.  I'm doing enchanting for fun and mining for the money.

I think everyone has invite privileges.

Did they make it so that you can't transfer money from horde to alliance on the same account using the AH?  And if so can I use a trial account or something to do it?

You have not been able to bid on auctions on the same account since patch....1.2 or 1.3.

Trial accounts basically cannot do anything that involves the transfer of money and/or goods between accounts.

Damn.  Why would they make it not possible on the same account when you can still do it if you know someone else on the server that you trust?  Bastards.

Because people were using it to bid-up their own auctions, mainly.

I just created "Lehm" Blood Elf Hunter  :awesome_for_real:

Am I to late to the party or is anybody still playing ?

There's a few of us still playing; nobody on ATM who has invite priviliges, though.  Usually things are busier in the evenings.

I am used to that (it is already evening over here)

I think I saw Righ online, but he logged out to fast.

Righ and I spent most of today at my sister's house for the annual pizzelle making.  I should think he'll be on a lot over the holidays.  I see Nebu on quite often, too.  HE'S ON RIGHT NOW!  HURRY!

Yeah, this has gone on much longer than I expected.  This one might have legs!!!

I'm gone until Friday.  I expect you all to be past me when I get back.

Happy Holidays!

There are a good 3-4 who are always on when I am, so it is impressive to see if it works.

I am enjoying it quite a bit. My lock is 15 now and rapes face not to put to fine a word on it. Though I have played blood elves before I am into to new content. Questing is good and I haven't had to grind a bit. It is all good I tell you. Very much looking forward to grouping and instances.

I've been having a blast with my BE Rogue. For some reason, the BE has been more fun than the Undead one I deleted. Probly it's because all the expansion content is new to me. My Alchemy is up in the hundreds now, so I'm starting to make some half-way decent stuff. All are welcome to free potions and whatnot.

All I have to say is watch the hell out for the RP gestapo.  They will really ruin your evening (along with almost causing multiple group wipe-outs).

As in the RP gestapo that freaks out if you don't RP?  Or the RP gestapo that freaks out if you DO RP?

So I've been meaning to ask, Helm - what's your secret to seeing the American servers? You're physically located in .de, right?

The RP gestapo that insists that you DO RP, and then says you do it wrong and has other people try and coach you in the "proper" methods of RPing your character.

I think it's just a change in a single file.  I've got an old SWG guildie in Turkey that plays on US WoW servers.  I can ask him if you need to know.  I know that's the way it USED to be, but don't know if it's still that way.

I recommend a "sup thou" macro.

Some bloke on the WoW forums once said:

Ignore is a wonderful thing.  I plan to use it if/ when I encounter these folks and their silly [[omg can't you rp?]] brackets.

Yes, I know where the convention came from, I know what it means and I know the "Proper" uses for it.  It was still lame when I cared enough to visit those places.

I just install the US-Version. Never had to change any settings as far as I can remember.

Burrick, can you log in and transfer guild leadership if you're not playing anymore? (You're 11 still so I figured that's probably safe to say).

I know everyone is the same rank, but there's only one guildmaster.  We can't promote anyone.

If anyone is still on Earthen Ring I'm rolling an alt for each class and going with a levelling guide so if you wanted to bring up another class we could quest together.  Most are horde but I also made an alliance shaman to see what their towns look like and such.

I will do that post-haste.

I will join.  Undead Rogue- gimme a few days to aquire a new copy of the game.  I will be up by this weekend.

Why don't you do Venture Co?

Yes, come to venture Co and play horde with us.  We're fun, damnit!

I like my PvP in FPS form only, I really hate it in MMOs.  I also have my main there with a few thousand gold and now seven alts in their teens running through ghostlands.

So, I was reading about the expansion that comes out sometime or other and I don't understand.  They're going to have ONE hero class?  And it's a mage-y one?  What about people who don't like mage-y characters?  Do they have to wait another four years for something?  This expansion sounds like crud... except for the hairdo thingy.

There's a hairdo thingy?

As far as I know there's only the one hero class, Deathknight, coming up. I think Righ was saying there were originally supposed to be more, but I haven't been around the game long enough to know much about that stuff.

From what I hear, the new class is a combination DPS/Tank thing, some kind of dual-wielding, plate wearing, PvP nightmare.  I've heard rumblings that it's got summonable pet zombies or something, too (from people who are unlikely to know what they're talking about, but meh).  That seems fairly comparable to what was added with Burning Crusade; no new classes, just new zones, raised level cap, more dungeons, et cetera.  No new races this time, though.  But there's a few other things that are sounding interesting to me, especially the alleged siege warfare zone.

I don't understand how they're going to do a hero class.  If it's actually as strong as a hero it would be terribly overpowered in both PvE and PvP.  They would have to either not allow them to participate in some areas or give them their own faction or some Achilles heel, I don't think that part of the expansion is going to go very well.

Wrath of the Lich King

World of Warcraft's second expansion, Wrath of the Lich King, will add a host of epic content to the existing game.
Death Knight - World of Warcraft's first hero class
Ten More Levels - Level cap increased to 80, along with potent new abilities and equipment
New Profession - Inscription allows you to customize your favorite spells and abilities
Northrend - A harsh new continent in Azeroth, packed with new zones, quests, monsters, and dungeons
Character Customization Options - change your character's hairstyle and dance animations.

AKA - hairdo thingy

As I understand it, "Hero Class" means that they start the game at level 60 or so, not that they're more powerful that other characters of their level.  Seems like a good idea to me, actually, since it's a nice way to skip the Old World content once you've unlocked it (though I agree it would be nice to have an alternative to being the Litch King's emo bitch).  Especially if they're viable tanks; if they eventually throw in another Hero Class that can do some decent healing, it could go a long way to easing up a lot of the class bottlenecks for things like 5-mans.

Yes!  (http://www.sheknows.com/graphics/emoticons/flower2.gif)

Honestly they only need to do one thing for that - allow people to have two talent builds and switch between them for free on a shortish cooldown. As it stands, the people who want to be tanks or healers in group encounters generally have to compromise PvP and solo questing or grinding unless they are willing to pay the regular respec costs. 50 gold may not be a lot, but most people don't get their jollies from farming gold, and so they play a class that doesn't require constant respecs, ignore portions of the game (they play a PvP warrior but don't group much, group as Prot but don't PvP much) or buy gold from RMT sites, or play so much and so obsessively to tank, PvP and farm on a daily basis that they're on a fast track to burnout or are dangerously unstable personalities. Most people fall into the 'play another class' category and end up sitting in town looking for a tank or a healer for their group of three DPS/CC characters.

One class that starts at level 60. That's going to be a hoot. If you thought there were an asston of blood elf paladins, wait until you see several hundred identical death knights in the same place. Its going to be like some gnome protest rally.

The Forsaken has better get Thriller as one of their new /dances.

And I expect that the DKs will play out exactly like BE paladins/squidhead shaman - tons of them at launch, but a good three-quarters of them will get shelved within two or three months as people go back to their pre-expansion mains.

(Not me, though - I finally get my shadowknight-analogue that I've been wanting since before WoW launched.  :drill:)

It would be nice for the female characters had dances that weren't wank vehicles for pervy teen boys.  My favourite female dance is the Cow one, at the moment.  Not just  because I don't have to constantly touch myself but it really does look very cool.

Isn't the Toren (sp) one the electric slide?

Do you automatically get to make this class or is there going to be some huge, punitive quest line involved sort of like Jedi in SWG to reduce the number of people who have them?

And if you can just make a level 60 or 70 character and are allowed to do your faction's quests that would be a tremendous way to get money by just doing the Outland stuff over again.

IMO, they really shouldn't implement this without letting anyone roll any class straight @ L60.

I just hope to god they aren't falling into the same trap that happens to every other MMO.  While adding a new and overpowered class SEEMS like a good idea it invariably throws the rest of the classes that don't work with it out with the trash.  Also, allowing players to jump immediately to 60 or 70 means that the newbie towns/area will be even more of a ghost town than they are already.  This is terrible for the new player.

My experience with newbie town activity right now is not the same as yours.  I've been running several alts up through 60 and found that fighting for resources, mobs, quests, etc. are just as hard now as when I was doing it at launch.  The only thing that is less of a fight (which is better in this case) is in Hellfire.  Launch day for that was a fiasco.  Now it is quite nice, yet very active.

I do agree that activity will drop like a rock if you make everything start at 60.  That really would be a shame.  It would also disrupt a lot of mechanics that I can think of and many more that I can't I'm sure. 

This new class will have to be done quite carefully really.  It cannot be the most powerful.  It also can't be weak and useless.  It has to add a lot more to what is already out there at the same time too.  It has to balance the advantage of starting at 60 with some other disadvantage that other classes don't have that won't also kill the class.

Maybe it doesn't get rest experience.  Maybe the cost of repairs is much much higher for them.  Maybe their cost in general is so high that having alts is a requirement to just support them?  Maybe they can't have professions.  There HAS to be something to balance this.

Hell, I'm just hoping there is at least one other hero class to be announced, because come 2-3 weeks or earlier from launch, you will have thousands of Death Knights crawling all over every major city and landscape.

Pretty sure that Blizzard's plan for DKs is that you need one character at L60+ (or 55+ or 65+ or 70+ or whatever) then that unlocks death knight which starts at 60 (or 55, or 58, or 65, or whatever)

The original plan was "One character at L80" but Blizzard figured out fairly quickly that making people powerlevel from 70 to 80 for the sole reason of unlocking a new class...to level to 80 was moderately stupid.

They've also repeatedly stated that the DK will be in line with other classes, balance-wise*. It's not jedi all over again. In fact, knowing how Blizzard tends to perform balance nowadays there's a fairly high probability that the death knight will be slightly underpowered at launch, then tweaked upwards in the following patches.

*There's two reasons for calling the Death Knight a "hero class" - 1) Gives them a semi-plausible explanation as to why it starts at mid-high level (allowing people to skip going through STV for the umpteenth time) 2) Let's Blizzard go "Here's your sodding hero class. Now will you stop asking about them?" (See also: Siege engines in that doomed-to-failure world PvP zone).

I think they'll be able to balance it well enough.  Tanking through doing damage is probably the most fun way to do it, and Blizzard has been pretty good lately about lowering the suck (faster levels pre-60, daily quests to help fund mounts, adding a small +damage boost to healing items...the list goes on).

That's my favorite dance too, actually.  I actually find female tauren in general to be charming in almost every way.  Their appearance, animations and voices are all adorable in a very consistent manner.

And yeah, calling it a "hero" class is pretty much entirely cosmetic, other than that it starts at a higher initial level.  I also don't recall ever seeing mention of them starting at level 60 specifically, so I think the actual level is still quite up in the air, and I personally would suspect it would be lower than that.

Basically just ignore the "hero" part and just read it as a new class being added, that's all it really is.

The last bit I saw was that there will be a quest series to discover a dellusioned shadow knight & help them to break from Arthas' grasp (*fudge over the whole "this is where Sks get their power from" bit) and then they become a playable class for you.   That's also how they'er working Arthas into the game, rather than being yet another 'supergod who 20 pcs can kill' character.  Since Arthas the Lich King is supposed to be THE superpower in Az, I like this solution a lot better.

Also, Sks are going to be 2h wielders, not dual wielders.  Their abilities are "rune" based instead of mana-based.  Each ability is supposed to be very powerful, but limited in timeframe, so your skill is in managing your rune cooldowns rather than efficient combo/ mana consumption.  (At last word at least.)

 Also, the whole 'summon undead' thing is from the Lich King trailer, and I'm fairly certain it was confirmed as being in-game.  No reason for it not to be there, since it only summoned 3 ghoul-type mobs, similar to those damned Druid treants.

Checking over the Wiki for this, and they claim (with a broken citation, grr) that once you unlock the Death Knight class, it's saved to your account.  According to the wiki:


Which sounds like someone could hypothetically unlock the character on a PvE server and roll a new Death Knight on a PvP server...

...and?  :headscratch:

Unless you've been ganked for the first fifty levels by people in epics, you have no right to be on a PvP realm. Such is the law.

You know what you call a group of new rerolled-from-PvE DKs on a PvP server?

Easy targets.

I mean, the death knight intro quest/"newbie zone" thing will probably end up with the newly-minted ~L60 DK appearing in EPL or wherever with generic_armour_set, generic_weapon and all their starting abilities but then turning around and being able to use all of those effectively in a PvP fight against a level seventy-whatever rogue/hunter/warlock/etc. in their TBC blues/purples & WotLK greens is an entirely different kettle of fish (especially as DKs are using this rune system instead of mana/rage/energy).

Heh.  I'm just looking forward to 5-maning all the instances w/ 5 DKs.

I assume DK's won't be able to heal at all.  Otherwise, yeah, that's what will happen.

I'm guessing either lifetaps or heal-others-only heals...possibly combined health transfers. Like warlocks, but for other players rather than pets.

Probably with the word 'blood' or 'soul' somewhere in the spell names. :awesome_for_real:

Nah, they gave all the good death knight spells to warlocks already.  I don't recall the units being able to heal themselves either, but I'm going off of memory since i'm at work and google/ wiki impaired.

They should make it so they have a constant DoT on themselves while they use their powers.  Now THAT's what I call balance.

Plus, all the Emo's can walk around and seriously say, "I'm dieing on the inside..."

And Venture Co. is a PvP realm, right?  So if the guild is still around then, we might theoretically have a way to get people up to a level where we can play together reasonably quickly, rather than having people spread around all over the place from level ten to sixty.

I can tell you this: Playing on a well-established pvp server as a new solo player isn't very fun.  I'd be fine if the people attacking me were better geared people around my level but that's almost never the case.  I either get ganked by someone 10 or more levels above me or someone 3-5 levels above me that waits until I'm fighting mobs. Ganking gray players is like Michael Jordan going to an elementary school for a pickup game.  What's the point?  Fortunately there have been enough decent people to make up for the 90% that are mouth breathers.  The sociology of today's gamer is pretty pathetic.   

Stealth and humanoid tracking gives me a pretty big edge in that regard. Although ?? level players can see me stealthed from a fair distance, they wont notice me from the ranges that they see most other gankable players. Being cautious about how long I remain unstealthed and frequently checking my minimap for hostile players (a different shade of red from hostile NPC humanoids) may mean I'm considerably slower at pounding up levels, but there's far less frustration and running back from graveyards. Perhaps you should make a druid alt until I hit Hellfire - you could make him a miner and sell metal to finance you're shaman's ride too. ;)

Why don't we get a new thread where someone actually updates the main roster.  I will be joining today, pending my son feeding.   :grin:

Nah, this was the same situation in UO at launch.  When you were a newb, you got ganked by tricked out tank mages or one shotted when low on health fighting something else.  When you had a decent character, you got ganked by groups of tank mages.  When you had a group of decent characters, you ganked by an even bigger group of tank mages.

That sociology has always been there.  The good thing, as you said, is the majority of people outweigh that crap.

I'll create a roster thread later on tonight. First, I have to finish my homework.   :hulk_rock:

Fuck it I'm rerolling a druid. Mages are just targets.

Yes....join the Cow People.  MOO WITH US!

Everything but rogues and druids are targets.  I wish I were kidding.

Cheddar / Arzhel / Undead Rogue

I agree.  Cheddar arz hel.

Yes we are.  I am at the place in levelling (32-33) where I have to leave the main Horde areas and join Tarren Mill and Alterac for questing.  Which basically means I get ganked by roaming bands of 70s and by the occasional 35+ character.  I got one-shot by a fucking 35 cat druid the other night that I never saw coming (naturally).  Talk about annoying.  Once I get back from vacation I am going to try and sneak past those areas in the off-time when most people are sleeping just to get out of Hillsbrad (a mid 20's Horde zone combined with a mid 30's Alliance zone, what were they thinking besides "fun times at Murder Cave?").

Part of the reason I rolled a druid for an alt, a change of pace where I have the chance to actually not get azzr@pz0rz3d by someone my level (sure, it's a 0.0001% chance, but it beats 0% ;-) ).  Definitely more exciting than a PvE server though.

When are you low level druid guys going to hit the Ghostlands ? I parked my druid there (at Lvl 12 I think), because I found soloing with a low level druid too painfull when I could play my hunter and take on 4-5 green/yellow con mobs at once.

Oh, while I am at it. Is there a way for hunters to become more mana efficient ? I know there is one talen in the MM tree. Anything else I am missing ?

Oh, and are there cooking recipes that give mana regen ? I am spending a fortune on sweet nectar atm.  :ye_gods:

The two sagefish recipies for old world mana regen food, no idea about TBC but there's probably something.

As for the comments about Tarren Mill...it can be skipped by going S Barrens/Stonetalon/Ashenvale/1K Needles. It should be skipped, even on PvE servers, if for no other reason than the quest design there is godawful. Horrible droprate collection quests combined with "Run the entire width of the zone to & fro multiple times" kill quests.  :ye_gods:

I'm headed to Ghostlands tonight now that I've got bearform and no need to go back to Mulgore.

As for Hunters.. nope not really.  I don't even know how to play a low-level hunter now that Aimed Shot was rekajiggered to reset the Autoshot timer.  When I was leveling it was all about Aimed Shot - serpent sting, autoshoot until dead, channel pet healing spell if required.  It was more mana efficient than actually using shots, AND I didn't pull aggro off my pet at the "I need to get a growl upgrade" levels.

Interestingly, there is a druid trainer in Silvermoon, even though that's about the farthest thing from blood elves' minds lore-wise.

There is no warrior trainer though, I can tell you that from experience.

There used to be high elf druids...plus the Farstriders aren't exactly seeing eye-to-eye with the Blood Knights on means & ends. It's fairly possible that whoever the Ranger-General of Silvermoon is at the moment asked the tauren members of the Cenarion Circle to send a representative.

I played for a little over an hour last night and the best I could accomplish in that time was to kill 3 non-quest mobs on the way to a quest objective that I never reached.  I also got to run from the graveyard to my corpse about 18 or 20 times.  Not once was I attacked by someone that didn't con as a skull to me.  I'm sorry, but having peen-challenged teens dictate what I get to do during my playtime just isn't my idea of fun. 

I'll be in NC from Thursday - Sat.  Maybe I'll feel like playing again when I get back. 

PVP servers are fun when you have a group to run with, a couple level 70s parked nearby to get revenge with, and enough cash to twink out your low level guys. My rogue has easily taken out Alliance that are 10-15 levels higher and get the jump on me since he's got pretty good gear and weapons. Guess it's one reason to twink other than to wtfpwn for e-peen++ in the Battlegrounds (which I don't do since I usually just run into other twinks that are running pre-mades).

I'm pretty lucky on my server though, since the friends that convinced me to play there all have multiple level 70s and have geared me out pretty nicely for my level. Being escorted around Hillsbrad makes that zone much more tolerable.

Starting from scratch on an established PVP server? You gotta know you're gonna have some BAD days. You can tell when school gets out, that's when all of a sudden there's multiple 70s camping the Hunter camp in STV.

I'm an early riser on the weekend and my wife isn't, so a lot of my leveling time was spent early on Sat/Sun mornings when I could have almost complete zones to  myself (sometimes low pop. servers can be handy, especially low pop. PVP servers)

Early mornings are usually good times.

Nebu, now's a good time for you to start an alt.  When a few more of us get up there to your level, Outlands will be much nicer.

(Maybe don't wait for me though! I'm a slacker!)