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Well, my rogue hit 70 the other night and I'm at a loss for what to do.  Can any of you experts give me advice on things to do?  Faction worth grinding?  Mounts to obtain?  Please keep in mind that I'm playing solo... so I'm a bit limited. 

I'm starting to think that my best bet is just leveling up a horde toon now. 

Hell froze over, and im now playing Wow.... for now. So, i'm on the venture co server, horde side. If you would like to join me and some friends.

Let me know what classes you need.  I'd love to find some fun folks to group with. 

See... I can be social!

Are you in a raiding guild or have an arena team? no. Daily quest go!!  :uhrr:

if you didn't try a flying mount its worth it initially until the absolute slow-ass-ness of it drives you to grind out the 5k gold to get the fast one. Other then that welcome to WoW's casual end game, ie roll an alt and level again.

In a guild:
   PvE - Heroics and Raiding (Basically upgrade your gear.)
   PvP - Arenas or premade BG's (Thrill of the fight....and upgrading your gear.)

Solo:
   PvE - Finish all quests!  Dailies and PuGs! - Can work on crafting profession too and other small goals like factions.
   PvP - BG's

Otherwise, roll alts.

Couple of thoughts, off the cuff:

• Go to www.wow-loot.com and use their tool to search for gear that you might want.  A lot of it is quested.
• Do dailies as suggested - either Netherwing, Ogri'la, Sha'tari skyguard, cooking or fishing (I probably forgot some)
• Do any quests you did not finish leveling.  They give cash instead of XP at 70.  You should be pretty close to your epic flyer by the time you get done
• Complete the attunement for SSC quest chain (no longer required) - it gives the "Champion of the Naaru" title to your character
• Battlegrounds (get exalted with all three and you get the "Justicar" title (Alliance) or "Conqueror" (Horde).  Also war mounts are pretty cheap (30 marks from each BG, total of 30 games if you win them all :) )
• Arena if you can find at least one more willing soul to team with you
• Crafting if you are into that
• Along with doing Netherwing dailies you can work toward your dragon mount, but you need epic flying for most of the chain so probably want to do the leftover quests first (+possibly farm or gather for cash if needed)

I'll edit with more as I think of it...

Play what ever you want, its a secondary guild my friends made when they made alts to play with me... No requirements, no restrictions (other than, be horde), other than don't be an asshat.

The more the better, and we regularly help each other out.

Trucegore, level 21 undead Warlock (only Necromancer like class they have it seems). Drop me a line/game-mail Whatever. Ill make sure someone with rights (if i don't have them yet) sends you and invite. I think we have the bare min amount of people, we don't plan on adding randoms...unless they are someone really cool. More of a friends (you count) and family type guild, thing.

EDIT: I think the only thing we don't really have, is warrior type classes...,for your consideration.

Faction is only helpful if you want something the faction provides - crafters will go for this or that faction to get a particular recipe.  Unless you're a completist, skip faction you don't need. 

Finish all quests in Outlands for good cash.

There's a whole series of daily quests in Ogri'la in Blade's Edge, and also in Terokkar once you have a flying mount.

If you enjoy battlegrounds, play them. 

Some people like making twinks and playing them in bgs - just getting to 29 or whatever and leaving it there, outfitting it with the very best enchants and so on.  I have a 29 shaman that likely will never go higher, since WSG is a lot of fun as a flag carrier.  (Being alliance, I never experienced the fun of playing WSG before since alliance seems to not know how to play very well).

Me, I like crafting and playing the auction house and the battlegrounds.  I level alts but don't feel bad if they sit for months.  It's nice to have alternate characters to play if one becomes disappointing to play through nerfs, since it will change in the future.

THAT'S WHERE YOU'VE BEEN.

I'm ashamed.

Quit and wait for Lich King content.  Speaking of which, is there any general idea when that is going to come out?

You know, people bitched about timered daily quests in AC2, and low and behold, here they are again as an end-game offering in WoW. Somebody called AC2, WoW 0.8, and you know, that is spot on. Not trying to derail, just sayin'. I can't say that I would want to hit max level and then just run some repeat quests every day. Talk about game over. I think I would only shoot for max level if I planned on raiding. So I would say go for the re-roll on the Horde side.

Summer...




2011

I am on record saying Oct-Nov 2008.

If you plan on sticking with this character, it will be worth your time to become a gold maker for a few weeks and get an epic flyer. If your planning on rolling a new character, I wouldnt bother. The Epic flyer is great, I have trouble playing my alt cause he doesnt have one.

What I did was use a combination of questing at 70 in Netherstorm and Shadowmoon Valley, as you get some good quest rewards anf a lot of gold. I ether vendored or AHed every thing I could, and on top of them I would mine and sell the ore and gems on the AH. Adamantite still sells pretty well. You also have dailys for decent gold, and rep.

But then, if you plan on playing an alt or several alts, it might not be worth your time.

Yeah, like it's been said, don't grind faction unless you need something that the faction has.  You should have Honored already with, what are they, let's see Honor Hold, Cenarion Expedition, Lower City, and I think Sha'tar Guard, from doing quests (if you don't have these, you should probably get them done, search wow-wiki for what you can farm and hand in for rep); you want these at Honored so you can purchase the Heroic mode keys for all the dungeons (just so your "content" is unlocked).

You can also get started on the Karazhan key quest chain; can't be finished solo, but who knows maybe you happen upon a guild doing some of the steps for some of their recruits and you can tag along.

Other than that, daily quests, quests you may have missed in previous zones, farming primals for cash for the fast mount or so you can be set for alts, random instance runs if you feel like pugging them, or PVP arenas, battlegrounds, whatever.  You said you want to play solo, but look for a casual guild, most of them are so laid back that it's like being solo anyway, except now and then they might group and do an instance, and you can PVP with them.

The Blood Elf starter area is worth playing through.

You clearly want to roll Horde:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXtyYiI5HDk

lol.  Made me close my door.

Awesome find though.  Fucking Alliance.

Now that I look at it, you might not find a lot of content, depending on what you (don't) want to do.



October 9 - Dec 11, or 63 days/2 months  to 70.  It takes me 3-4 months just to hit 60.  It probably looks like a lot more content from where I'm sitting, especially since I don't mind grouping/pugging/the occasional raid when I have time.

Level up a Horde toon.

Here's my advice. You're a rogue so you're going to want the following factions.

#1 - Exalted Consortium: You get a Guile of Khoraazi (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29121) which is a kickass Dagger.
#2 - Honored Cenarion Expedition: This shouldn't be a problem at all with simply questing, and you get Warden's Hauberk (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=25838) which is a really nice 3 socket blue chestpiece.
#3 - Exalted Keepers of Time: You get the second kickass dagger to complete your epic weapons Riftmaker (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29182)
#4 - Revered Kurenai: Solid Blue shoulders from this faction Blackened Leather Spaulders (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29148)
#5 - Exalted Lower City: This one is optional, but you get an epic ring with lots of agi/stam/expertise, Shapeshifter's Signet (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=30834)
#6 - Exalted Ogrila: Two good things here. First is a nice trinket with a 1min cooldown for extra AP Crystalforged Trinket (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32654). The second is the epic leather bracers Shard-bound Bracers (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32647)
#7 - Exalted Sha'tari Skyguard: Two things here as well. One is a great blue cloak, Skyguard's Drape (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32539). The other is a second trinket that's epic, Skyguard Silver Cross (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32770).
#8 - Revered Scryer: Aldor doesn't really have much for rogues, so go Scryer for these blue pants Retainer's Leggings (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29131) and the enchantments.

There's 8 factions that are relatively soloable. You'll have to get groups for a couple of those like Keepers of Time. If you do these factions, you'll have 2 epic daggers, blue chestpiece/shoulders/cloak/pants, epic bracers/ring, and 2 nice trinkets. That just leaves you to collect a headpiece, gloves, another ring, and a necklace.

EDIT: To go a little further, you can get those last few items with some simple soloing activites.

Helm - Get 14,500 Honor in BGs and 30 AV tokens. That should be relatively easy on any day that's an AV Daily or an AV weekend. You get Gladiator's Leather Helm (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=25830).
Gloves - Save up 1000g. Heh, I know. Still, you can buy Cobrascale Gloves (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29503) which are great crafted gloves.
Ring - 50 spirit shards = Band of the Exorcist (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28553) Easy epic ring to get if you run any dungeons in Auchindoun if you have the spirit buff.
Necklace - It's a blue quest necklace in BEM that's pretty good Natasha's Choker (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=31695).

There you have it, a full set of kickass gear and you don't have to raid at all. Enjoy!

So you know:

Alchemy 370
Herbalism 375
First Aid 375
Fishing 301
Cooking 350-ish

Thanks for all of the tips.  It's been a fun ride and the xp adjustment from 1-60 has been quite helpful.  I also didn't use any guides on the way.  I just hit quests as I ran into them.  I have also never just gound out xp on random mobs... pretty much quests only. 

I guess I can develop this toon and give some of the BG's a go solo or (as I said) just reroll horde and see life from the brown side. 

WOW.

I started playing an undead rogue (stopped at 22), a tauren druid (abotu 20), a human priest (16), a hunter (16), a warrior (33), and now a warlock.  The boost to xp makes 1-20 pretty trivial and it can be done in the new areas in a day or two.  

That list I posted above should keep you busy well into when the next expansion is released. Then, you'll have some awesome gear to level up with in the expansion...

For three levels, hehe.

The boost to xp doesn't kick in until level 20.  1-20 has always been fast.

Also, you can get some pretty good epics from battlegrounds solo.  Season 1 arena epics are now available for honor points.

However, some people around here will say you're wearing "welfare epics"  :roll:

So... how many hours per day and how many days a week did you play to get to 70 that quickly?  =P

Last character of mine hit 70 in around 13 days /played (with some instancing).  Wonder what I could do with the new changes or with a class that isn't so damn slow at soloing.

That's still 300 hours of repetition.

Hey, it's only like playing the longest JRPG you can think of 3.5 times in a row before you get the "real" game.  :awesome_for_real:

I bet you could level (with no instances) a hunter to 60 in less than 96 hours played now. Esp if it is blood elf or draenei with the uber starting zones.

Paelos,

Thanks for taking the time to type all that out.  I think that will give me plenty to do for the next month or so.  Once I get that done, I can start to PvP or see if I can find a regular 5 man to run instances with. 

I'm still serious about playing with anyone that needs me on the horde side.  I may just roll a rogue or warrior on Venture Co server.

Glad to help out. I run gear lists for all my raiders, so I have a good eye for the casual stuff you can grab. PvP bonuses have made this even better for DPS classes.

The daily heroics are a nice source of badges and gold.

Do you happen to have a link to those?  I'm not sure where they even start/finish. 

WoW Wiki for all your needs: http://www.wowwiki.com/Daily_quest

Basically go see Wind Trader Zhareem in the Lower City in Shattrath and see what he's looking for. Every day there's a specifically targeted Heroic Outland Dungeon that has special drops you turn in for XP (if not 70), gold, 2 badges and rep with Consortium and whatever faction runs that instance.

I suspect they give Consortium rep cuz after a certain point you start getting gems in the mail from them. (Or they did in the past - not there yet myself to verify.)

Have fun!

I see the problem now... Keep in mind, I'm not in a guild and play solo.  When I see "Group" or "Dungeon" on a yellow quest, it gets deleted.

If you want a rag-tag band of occasional adventurers that you know (at least from forums here), there's also Steamwheedle Cartel. I've been playing there quite a bit lately, and as well as my under-geared 70 warrior, I have 'new' 60 druid ready for the outland instances & a 33 shaman among others. Haemish ain't exactly power-leveling at the moment, but he logs onto his 50 priest from time to time. Signe just re-subbed and is starting a character there. Dirty belf paladin or something. Haven't seen Wayabvpar and co. of late - they're either taking a break or doing something on another server.

Once you are exalted with the faction the dungeon is related to, you don't get anything but gold (and I guess consortium rep, but I am exalted so I didn't realize they gave rep). You do get a prison key from the non-heroic, which is 350 easy rep with consortium (or 20+ gold on the AH).

The gem bags come from honored on....just talk to the dude in Nagrand. Exalted gives you the best chance at blue gems (I got 4 this month).

If you found one other person to play with you could do 2v2 arena and get some nice gear. You might be better off in 3v3 arena atm since the queue times are lower, but that involves two whole people to play with so....baby steps.

Surely you can find one person on your server you can put up with for an hour a week and form an arena team.

Oh ya....level up cooking and visit "Rokk - Master of Cooking" in lower city. He gives out cooking quests that are easy as can be, net you 12g and a chance at a nice recipe + some fish or meat to cook.

People will pug these every day without fail so you can always manage to get a group. The Consort gems you have to actuality go to the camp in nagrand and get them, they didn't do the mail out thing for some reason.

I play with a RL friend atm.  The problem currently is that he's not interested in pvp at all.  I'm honestly not sure I'd even want to 2v2 if the guy did... he's not really the type to think/react quickly in a pvp situation.  

Not to be a dick, but if I can't pvp solo I'm not really interested in it unless I'm running with a solid group.  Having run RVR in DAoC for 5+ years, I would rather not pvp than run in a pug that's just going to frustrate the hell out of me.  

The best thing to do when you hit 70 is keep your eyes open for a new game to start playing.

Your options are pretty much limited to grind rep, or grind gold, or grind instances.  Even if you want to play arena you'll end up needing to grind honor or arenas just to get decent gear to compete.  :heartbreak:

I'm just biding my time until AoC and WAR to be honest... you caught me.

I've quit playing WoW twice now, so right now I'm playing EvE and Magic the Gathering instead.  :uhrr:

An arena team is like a guild. If you form a 2v2 with someone it's just you two unless one of you leaves the team. No pugging to it.

Yes people come and go on teams like they do guilds, but there's no randomness about who you're going to be teamed up with in the arena. 

As you can see from the Wiki, there are different types of Dailies. You can get started on the Skettis dailies (bombing run, prison break) right away, as they do not require a group. But once you hit Honored reputation with Sha'tari Skyguard (the Skettis folks), you'll get invited to check out the Dailies in Blade's Edge Mountains. Those are all also soloable (and I like them better), but you are cockblocked first by having to do some group quests that involved outdoor elites afaik can't be soloed at all. That sorta bites.

There's then the Netherwing Dailies in Shadowmoon Valley, but here the cockblock is you need Epic Flying skill, which costs around 5000g. I will never ever do those. I'll see 5000g about the same time I saw the 1000 I needed for Epic ground mount to unlock Flying mount: about 2 months after I hit the next level cap :-)

Further, there's various Instance-related dailies as you know. Those are absolutely group required. But they are also very worth doing if you can.

Finally, there's reputation grinding. Most end up requiring instance runs of some form, but The Aldors/The Scryers do not. You can grind those out plan and simple to buy some fairly good stuff from their respective quartermaster. This also works your Sha'tar faction, though not as fast. That also gives great stuff, but I believe once you top out on Aldor/Scryers the only way to continue gaining Sha'tar faction is instances.

It took you 2 months after hitting 70 to get near 1k for a ground mount?  What do you do, multiple professions with no gathering, respec every other week AND buy crap off the AH?  My priest had the 800g by about 1/2 way through Hellfire Penninsula, and she DE's all her greens and then turns all that wonderful cloth into more DEables so I can level enchanting.

I've gotta know, because you're the first person I've talked at that's had anywhere near that kind of difficulty aquiring cash.

Except that dude in the other thread who walks because he can't afford airfare from Ironforge to Menethil  :uhrr:

Yeah, see, him I just kind of shunted into a special place all his own.  Those are the same guys who say, "stop looting all the greys, they're worthless!" when you're in an instance.   :grin:

In Outland, greys are like buttah!

I don't get the shortage of cash either.  You'd have to be spending a lot on the AH to be burning through just the gold you get from quests and killing stuff/selling greys.  If you can't DE green items yourself to sell mats, sell the greens on the AH for a low enough amount that Enchanters will buy to DE for themselves.

The number of ways to make money in WoW really are massive.  If you aren't making enough money, you just really don't care much about it.  That IS an acceptable answer mind you.

Yea, two-fold problem:

1) I wasn't able to run instances or Raids for awhile due to scheduling issues, but still wanted the feel that gear upgrade love. So I ended up topping out on what could be purchaseable from the AH at the time.

2) I switched professions from Alchy/Herbs to Engy/Mining... and hated mining with all sorts of burning passion (mostly because I was stuck grinding old world ore spots at 70). I think you are or were an Engineer, so know just how much a money sink that can be to skill up without mining. And worse, I did this mostly for the Holo-gogs which are great, but that's an expensive set of Holo-gogs. Luckily later I was partly vindicated by the Helicopter, and of course C4 is always useful (we're light on endgame rogues).

It's my own fault really. I've calculated that had I been smart, said the heck with Engy and was able to gear up the normal way, I'd have over 12k gold right now. It really does flow that fast in the Outlands, particularly with the raft of quests I only started doing once I hit 70. I hit 70 just before I got to Netherstorm, and you know of the scores upon scores of quests there.

Yeah, spent something like 2000g to raise tailoring to 350 because the guild I'd just joined required more than 900 +heal, and then they took me through Kara anyway and I didn't need it.  I think I spent another 2000g factioning up to exalted Scryers (seemed easier to grind primals and whatever drops than to grind sunfury signets specifically).  End result:  no fast mount (and being a druid, the slow flying one was free), and just about 1000g to my name, although my character has tier-4 equivalent sets for healing AND DPS, and now that I'm specced raid, I'm kinda limited to just a couple Ogri'la dailies to recover repair costs.

It's easy to make money in WoW but it's also VERY easy to spend it fast.  Nobody puts up a warning sign.  You make a couple hundred on a lucky drop or whatever and there's a multitude of ways to spend it right away - faction, recipes, gear off the AH, some enchant, whatever.  Some people never accumulate more than 200g.

I had a request to post another gear list for warriors, so I'll do that here as well. This is the pre-raiding set of gear any tank should have.

Headpiece: Felsteel Helm (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=23519), It's great until you get an engineering helm if you want to go that route.
Necklace: Strength of the Untamed (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29173), a CE revered reward.
Shoulders: Sadly, there's only really one good choice here and it's Shoulderguards of the Bold (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=27803) off Murmur. And they don't drop well. Shoulders are one of the two very hard things to get early as a tank.
Cloak: Devilshark Cape (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=27804), off the last boss of reg Steamvault. Seriously, I still wear this thing to raid ZA and SSC.
Chest: Vindicator's Hauberk (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29127) A revered Aldor reward. Great stuff until you get 75 badges.
Bracers: Sha'tari Wrought Armbands (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28167), which is a Quest reward from Auchindoun's Soul Devices.
Weapon: Honor's Call (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29156), the Honor Hold exalted reward.
Shield: Crest of the Sha'tar (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29176), the Sha'tar exalted reward.
Gun: Consortium Blaster (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29115), Revered Consortium. 15 stam stat-stick with extra AP.
Trinket 1: Admantine Figurine (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=27891), which drops off 2nd SLabs boss. Lots of Def there.
Trinket 2: Figurine of the Colossus (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=27529), drops off last boss of Shattered Halls. Lots of Shield block rating.
Ring 1: Andormu's Tear (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29323), a quest reward from the Caverns of Time.
Ring 2: Elementium Band of the Sentry (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28407), off the last boss of Arcatraz. A GREAT ring until much later.
Boots: Boots of the Colossus (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=27813), off first boss in Mana-Tombs Heroic. I include this as the only heroic because he's easy to get to.
Legs: Felsteel Leggings (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=23518), yep another Felsteel item to buy or craft.
Belt: Sha'tari Vindicator's Waistguard (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=31460), which is a quest reward from the Arcatraz Key line.
Hands: Felsteel Gloves (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=23517), the 3rd piece for the +25 Str bonus.

Oh, har har.  I just suck at the AH, is all, I think.  Don't know how much to sell anything for, so it always either ends up sitting there unsold for like a month or betting bought out in ten seconds and then resold for fifty times the amount I just put it up for.  So I generally just avoid it altogether.  Not like I've got anything worth selling anyway, except stacks of medium leather.  But that's not really related to the endgame or anything.  There's plenty of quests and stuff once you hit 70, and you've got no real expenses aside from repairs, so even I generally don't have a problem once I get there.

http://auctioneeraddon.com/ - use it, love it, become rich with it.

^^  What he said squared.  Seriously, even if you hate add-ons with a passion this is the one I feel is mandatory if you ever want to sell stuff on the AH or make sure someone's not ripping you off.

I pretty much made a living off of auctioneer when I played WoW.

Get to be good enough friends with it, and use it often enough and occasionly you'll get lucky and find yourself making hundreds of gold in just the few minutes it takes to scan the AH.

It is a great tool. I wish I was better at it :-) At present I use it to sell the infinite stacks of Netherweave I'm getting from farming Sunfury Signets/Arcane Tomes.

If NW is selling for less than 3g25s a stack, it is a better money operation to make them into heavy NW bandages and sell them to a vendor. THe bandages sell for 6g a stack, and you don't make more than 3g a stack profit on selling cloth until it is over 3g25s.

Auctioneer is a good tool, but it's not an instant money making machine.

It is important to know your market and understand what moves it before you get too deep in that game. It's also good to already have some money, because at low cash levels it's a very incremental game.

One thing you can do very easily (no mods required) is when you go to sell an item, take a look and see what else is out there (in the case of trade goods like ore, bars or enchanting mats) or what else is comparable (in the case of BOE greens/blues).  Take the lowest buyout price and price yours a little lower.  If you want to be extra safe, price it at 75% or lower of the lowest current seller.  If someone buys and relists your item, who cares - you still got your money with little risk.

edit: also, thanks for posting that Paelos (I'm the requesting party)

Jeez, you'd think I'd have tested that. On Icecrown you're lucky to get 2g60s. Going to bandage/sale route thanks!

Good list, definitely start off by buying into the Felsteel triplet from your local AH. However, there are some things folk might want to consider here first, because they're very easy to get before you've built up any significant reputation for some of the above:

Necklace: Scryers can get Thalodien's Charm (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=30378) from this (http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=10365) chain-ending quest in Netherstorm, while the rest of us make do with Natasha's Battle Chain (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=31696) from this (http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=10912) chain-ending Blade's Edge Mountains quest.

Shoulders: not heaps worse than the above is the certain quest reward Warchief's Mantle (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29316) from the mind-blowingly trivial first Caverns of Time instance Old Hillsbrad.

Cloak: easily crafted cloak Cloak of Eternity (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=24253) will serve you well until the above drops, somebody can doubtless make it on your server and they may not gouge you for it since its a good skill-up item.

Chest: Breastplate of the Warbringer (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=25819) is a reward from the end of chain Forge Camp Annihilated (http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=10011) in Nagrand. Will serve you well while you pick up your Aldor rep.

Weapon: Gromtor's Charge (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=31071), reward from a chain in Shadowmoon Valley - starts with this (http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=10680) quest for Alliance and this (http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=10681) quest for Horde. Only the last two parts of this quite long chain require a group, and its actually a lot easier than most people let on. You can PUG the final parts quite simply. Despite this blue weapon's middling DPS, it will outperform a lot of epics as a mitigation weapon, including Warbringer/Honor's Call, though those will be preferable when you earn them due to the increased DPS/rage generation.

Shield: Netherwing Protector's Shield (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=31490) is a reward from the chain-ending Ally of the Netherwing (http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=10870) quest in Shadowmoon Valley.

Ring: Protector's Mark of Redemption (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=31078) is a reward from the chain-ending Dissention Among the Ranks (http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=10769) quest in SHadowmoon Valley.

Boots: Flesh Beast's Metal Greaves (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29325) is a reward from the escort quest (http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=10218) that you can do at the end of Mana Tombs.

Trinkets: Dabiri's Enigma (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=30300) from this (http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=10439) quest in Netherstorm, and Regal Protectorate (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28042) from killing Arrazius in Hellfire.

All the above are crafted or rewards, making them very simple to obtain with minimal effort. Having picked them up, you can work on Paelos' more challenging set. :)

There's an entire world of single player gaming out there. From your top 20, it looks like you haven't been there in a while.  :grin:

Ok, I'll stop being a pest now.  :oh_i_see:  Heh, I actually did a full uninstall of WoW this time to prevent threads like this causing me to come back.

I just want to point out that this is why I don't like standard MMORPG fare and will only deal in random loot these days.

I don't want to know what to get. Mehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. (This isn't just about WoW).

I know what you can do...PLAY WITH ME.   :c)

Hah Rasix.  I'm nearly done w/ the stuff I wanted to play that isn't WoW :(

Another excellent list, thanks Righ.  Both of these posts are along the lines of what I'd been thinking (with a few good additions I hadn't considered), so that gives me confidence I'm on the right track.


Interesting, because it's just lists like this that give me motivation to play.  I'm pretty goal-oriented in life as well as play, I guess.  Different strokes and whatnot..

Those lists are based on maximizing one's chances at specific encounters. But they are by no means technical "requirements" for play. They're more set by the playerbase themself.

RPGs don't do that because they're hand-crafted to make you feel like a hero. I haven't been able to get into one though since Ultima V. I find them academically curious, but not nearly as compelling as the random asshats in MMORPGs :-)

They never got mail to work so now you have to swing by their camp in nagrand and pick them up yourself

ARGH, I keep forgetting to do that!  The other problem is that it is just about as far away from the FP as it can be.  There is no other reason to visit that spot for me.  PAIN.

Some of those aren't the best items you can get in that class...there's probably 2-3 more options for each slot for tanks. Some require hitting heroics however.

Here's all the tank gear you can get without too much trouble:

Head:
Myrmidon's Headress (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28180) - Free metagem helmet you get for completing the Steamvaults.
Felsteel Helm (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=23519) - It's easy to get.
Warhelm of the Bold (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28350) - Pretty "eh" to me considering the Myrmidon's Headress gives the benefit of a metagem with better base stats. Not bad though.
Greathelm of the Unbreakable (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=27520) - a fairly common drop from Shattered Halls, solid stats. Not as good as some of the helms above since you can't shove nice gems into it to drag it above the quality of a flat-stat blue, but I have one with an FR enchant I use for my FR set so I can keep some tank stats.

Shoulder: You are kinda screwed in this regard...
Shoulderguards of the Bold (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=27803) - Best tank shoulders out of a non-heroic 5-man.
Pauldron's of Brute Force (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=24463) - You can probably find a better green "of the champion" at level 70, but these may be made better with gems.

Chest:
Jade-Skull Breastplate (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28262) - Better than the Aldor Hauberk IMO, but that's just me.
Breastplate of the Warbringer (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=25819) - Blizz really needs to think about what they name shit. Quest reward, and a great tank BP if you need some hit%.
Breastplate of the Bold (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28205) - Kinda eh again like most of the Bold set, but you can get a lot of stamina out of this with 3 sockets.

Legs:
Timewarden's Leggings (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29184) - Best pre-raid tank leggings IMO. Felsteel is overrated.
Felsteel Leggings (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=23518) - Yeah, Timewarden legs are better, but you can buy these for peanuts.
Legplates of the Bold (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=27977) - You can do worse, and you'll have to run the Dark Portal at least once to get to Kara.
Greaves of the Shatterer (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=27527) - Another Shattered Halls drop. Pretty good IMO if you're uneasy about having nothing but +stamina/avoidance tank gear and no strength.

Bracers:
Sha'tari Wrought Armguards (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28167) - Uh, this is about it without running heroics.
Junior Technician 3rd Grade Bracers (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=30225) - These used to be better than any blue but they got nerfed a bit. They're still good though.

Gloves:
Felsteel Gloves (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=23517) - About the only Felsteel piece I think is really great.
Thatia's Self-Correcting Gauntlets (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28390) - Another solid set of gauntlets.
Gauntlets of the Bold (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=27475) - More bold set stuff. Eh.

Boots:
Flesh Beast's Metal Greaves (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29325) - I have no idea why but there are no good tank boots from non-heroics. Mana Tombs quest reward.
Sha'tari Wrought Greaves (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28176) - Not tank stats specifically but about as good as you're gonna get in terms of max ilevel blues.
Ascendant's Boots (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32866) - More green quest rewards that're better than blues.

Belt:
Sha'tari Vindicator's Waistguard (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=31460) - Best belt you can get for quite a while. Freebie for Arcatraz quest series.
Girdle of the Lost Vindicator (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=30380) - Solid green belt you can use in place of the above.

Rings:
Elementium Band of the Sentry (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28407) - This you won't throw away for a long long time.
Andormu's Tear (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29323) - It's all avoidance and no stamina, which just kills the usefulness of this ring for me. It's great avoidance but when you're starting out you really want more HP.
Iron Band of the Unbreakable (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=27436) - Kinda geared towards druids, but good stats and easy to get.
Protector's Mark of Redemption (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=31078) - Great quest reward ring from Shadowmoon Valley.
Wind Trader's Band (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=30006) - Fantastic green quest reward that's easy to get.

Trinkets:
Dabiri's Enigma (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=30300) - Fantastic quest reward from the Netherstorm, goes well with~
Figurine of the Collusus (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=27529) - Not the greatest tank trinket out there but good if you're hurting for block rating, use both this and Dabiri's Engima at the same time and you get an almost guaranteed 120 damage off of each hit, or free life if you block more damage than you take. Paladins can do sick shit with this combo.
Gnomish Poultryizer (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=23835) - Use isn't that great but the stamina IS. Requires engineering.
Adamantine Figurine (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=27891) - Defense rating and +armor use.
Dawnstone Crab (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=24125) - Amazingly awesome trinket that sadly requires you to be a jewelcrafter.

Necklace:
Mark of the Ravenguard (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29336) - Better than the Strength of the Untamed IMO. Freebie for doing Sethekk Halls.
Medallion of the Valiant Guardian (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29173) - Freebie for completing Shattered Halls.
Nastaha's Battle Chain (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=31696) - Another solid quest reward.
Strength of the Untamed (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29173) - Good if you need avoidance.

Weapons:
Grom'tor's Charge (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=31071) - About the best you can do for a pure tank weapon before you do heroics or get enough rep for HH/Thrallmar.

Fab, yeah I thought about a few of those, but I personally hate Gromtar's Charge. It's an ax, and if you are a human tank it's worthless. I'm not saying I didn't possess it for 3 weeks at some point, but HH rep isn't that bad if you're smart about tanking groups.

All in all, your list and mine is fairly close.

PS - I didn't include heroics because at that point you should be tanking Kara.

Wow, look at all that good info.

Grom'tor sounds good for me because I'm an orc - the racial gives me +expertise with axes.  I'll probably be tanking more heroics than Kara, just due to time constraints, so the heroic loot is relevant to me.

Bottom line is that between you guys' posts, I should have plenty to do for the foreseeable future.  Thanks!

All the tank gear you are likely to consider:

http://www.tankspot.com/forums/gear-lists-rankings/32083-berg-s-tank-gear-rankings-11-16-2007-wow-2-3-a.html

Wow, that's even better.  I have a spreadsheet that ranks gear by armor equivalence points but it's pretty limited compared to this site.  Thanks.

edit: oh crap, I just said spreadsheet.  I guess I'll need to brace for snide comments now.

shadowpriest.com has a great thread in the gear section called "The best gear for the casual gamer."  While some of it really pushes limit's of casual, it's a great place to start.

I particularly like Kaliban's Class Loot Lists (http://wow-loot.com/) at wow-loot.com, and especially the gear planner (http://wow-loot.com/gearguide.php) (though it seems incomplete).

I'm speechless. 

That's what separate "hitting 70" from "being 70"  :grin:

No way dude.

I walked into my bud's office today.  There were spreadsheet print ups, hand scribbed notes and literally 50+ papers scattered all over his office.

He had 3 excel files open on his monitor 1.

His monitor 2 had eve forums open.

I glanced closer at all of the paperwork.  That fucking game looks so complicated that I thought it was work stuff.  It wasn't.  It was all eve stuff.

The thing is, you don't have to have spreadsheets.  In fact I have never created a spreadsheet concerning anything to do with WoW.  I just use the results of other (possibly psychotic) people who have generated spreadsheets.  And anyway, the one I have is essentially a list, but with some calculations based on relative stat values.

That's what they call a deep game.  Easy to learn, difficult to master.  More precisely, hard to learn everything there is to know to maximize your performance, not overly hard in a twitchy way.  But if you don't care to know all about it, just want spur of the moment adrenaline rushes, then that's there too I guess. 

Way.

When you're not at the cap, you're a) learning the game; and, b) trying to hit the cap (or stuck in a tiered BG and loving it). Maximizing your stats at any given is not as important as gaining more levels themselves. At best, you get "deep" into it by either doing instance runs for one bit of gear (like that staff from SM back in the day) and using websites to get answers. You can though all of this and still achieve the cap, because the pre-70 PvE game is balanced based on what the game gives you through drops and quests.

But when you're at the level cap, that game is over. What you're left with is the desire to get more stuff but the reality of doing so much slower than before. You can still achieve, but you'll need a lot more info to do it well. And if you decide to go the Raiding route, you're joining the portion of the game where achievement is about making the next achievement first possible and then easier.

Some people take that to extremes, ekking out every 100th of a point they can get from their gear. And there's a lot of debate with a number of classes on how best to combine spec, stats and situations. This is a numbers game at heart, so it's logical to go to the spreadsheets.

I personally don't. This is due to my schedule. It doesn't matter what I know, because it's pure Time that's holding me back.

My spreadsheet games were SWG (for the energy business... everything I learned from MS Excel was from that experience) and Eve, which also really compels one to use them as well. But these games are less about pure time and more about how one wants to exist in the game world.

(for schild: yes, people do find it fun. And we know you don't :-) )

My no way response was suppose to cause you to come to the conclusion that Eve players are far more psychotic than Jayce's spreadsheet.

If you don't think EvE's about pure time, then you're not playing it anything more than casually, or in 0.0.  You know, the game the devs WANT everyone to play, despite 2/3 of the players being in Empire.

I meant "time that I can control". Eve is about Time, but it is so obvious, everyone knows that going in, and knows they can't do much about it. The game's first filter is making players decide whether they want to wait 5 months for that coveted ship or not.

WoW (and other DIKUs) meanwhile perpetuate the belief that anyone can get to the endest of the endgames for the bestest gear. Unfortunately, after trying and believing for the same five months, players get filtered between those who have the lifestyle (or were willing to change it) and those who don't want to. The latter group either accepts or gets all pissy and dramatic.

It's the difference between knowing the facts going in and learning the truth along the way.

At least in Eve, the pissiness and drama is for different reasons ;)

What realm does everyone play on?

I play alliance on Eldre'Thalas, my original realm (where my horde toons are but I dont really go to anymore) was Garona.

Stormrage and Uldum (a really dead server the other half chose when she started playing) for Alliance
Runetotem for Horde

Alliance on Korgath.

Alliance on Crushridge... aka "that server jammno used to play on" (ugh)


-- Z.

Kurnai faction - done.

Scryer faction - almost exhalted.

Flying mount - done.

Bleh... I think this may be the new CoH.  It's more fun leveling to 70 than it is being 70.  If any of you know of a good place to get information on the pvp aspects of the game (zones, levels, etc.) I'd be interested... especially if there are places I can wander around solo.  I'm trying to figure out how to get honor points with the central place in Nagrand to buy some gear, but I'm failing miserably. 

If anyone has a 5 man that needs a regular body, let me know.  I'll play about anything as long as I don't have to deal with pugs or drama.

Halaa will require a group to get good tokens, but that's not too difficult, depending on the general atmosphere of the server.  If people are taking Halaa, there's usually raid invites to be had easily.  Any kills within a certain range of Halaa always give Halaa battle tokens to the entire group of whoever got the killing blow.  A good rough-and-tumble fight over the place can net a lot of tokens very quickly, but those aren't that common.  Usually one side overpowers the other pretty quickly, then it either stays that way a while or the other side hits back with an even more overpowering force.  You also need research tokens, which come from collecting dust (20) and turning it in while your faction has control of Halaa.  You need a lot less research tokens than battle tokens to get anything, but since they require considerable mob-killing they can come slowly.  Of course, the dust comes from many mobs that are useful to kill for other reasons - for example, elementals that also drop motes, ogres that give Consortium and Kurenai/Mag'har faction, stuff at the Twilight Ridge you need to kill for a Netherwing daily, and so on.

Honor Hold/Thrallmar tokens work much the same way, only those get earned by kills in the vicinity of the Hellfire Peninsula and Zangarmarsh PvP objectives.  They're also more soloable, cause it's more often that a lone person goes to take those objectives.  Most of these marks (of both types) are pretty useless after a point.  The gear is mid-60's range, and replaceable, but some of it will last until 70 and until you get better blues/purples from either battlegrounds or arenas.  The trinket you can get from honor hold/thrallmar marks can be quite good, though, and is worth getting, but beyond that, the main thing worth getting is the devices to increase faction gain with Honor Hold/Thrallmar.  The other thing worth getting is the gem from Halaa (which you will periodically have to replace as you upgrade whatever item you socketed it into).

Thanks for the information.  It's funny that you comment that way on the gear.  Most of the gear on the quartermasters there is vastly superior to anything I've gotten so far as a soloer and apparently it's trash by the raider's standards.