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Schild told me this is a game for kids about shooting chubby stars, but I am absolutely spellbound. Instant classic. There are just very few games that are this much fun; the only thing this year that has come close to being this cool is Portal, and these two games clearly represent a really cool new trend of puzzle mechanics arising out of the game physics. 

Last night, I played a level that is a boss battle against a giant spider. The fight takes place in a giant spiderweb, and you stick Mario into the Web, and then you use the wiimote to pull the webbing back to shoot Mario at the spider like a slingshot. The webbing had been introduced a little bit earlier, so it was intuitive what to do, and it wasn't until I'd beat the boss that I realized I had never seen anything quite like that in a game before. The slingshot device was also elaborated on in a very difficult bonus level, where you use them to shoot Mario through moving fields of obstacles.

Later on, there was a level where Mario was in a bubble and I had to use the Wiimote to control the wind to navigate him through a minefield. Both SMG and Portal both have a really good concept of design and progression, where they show you a mechanic and what you can do with it, and then expand on that concept with increasingly complex applications.  I'm really looking forward to seeing what else this game has to offer

I'll second the vote. I haven't had the chance to play it as much as i would like but everything I've seen has been exceptional

The first game that made me thankful for owning a Wii.   It's like returning to what made Super Mario World on the SNES so great.

Countdown to Schild appearing and saying it sucks...3...2...1...

Actually he just said he had zero interest in it on the currently playing thread.


I'll throw a recommendation  for Zak and Wiki as  well.

True story:

At the Phoenix shindig I expressed some interest in seeing the Wii in action since I'd never played it before.  Schild wouldn't turn it on because that would break his streak of leaving the Wii as an inert piece of white plastic.

Lesson:

Schild is a stubborn jackass.   :awesome_for_real:

Yep, don't leave out that pretty much everyone else from Phoenix agreed with me. I think Hammer Frenzy didn't. But he likes World Heroes. :awesome_for_real:

I've heard nothing but good things about Zack and Wiki. Too bad the name is so retarded.

I skipped on it ONLY because I absolutely hated the character designs and I just wasn't in the mood for a point and click puzzler. When I get in the mood for that, I'd got all the Sam & Max Episodes on my PC here.

Played it, cute platformer with waggle. Definitely not SMB3 unless you've suffered a massive headwound.

you finish already?

I have zero interest in discouraging you from being a stubborn jackass.  If you do power on the Wii at all, I'll pour one on the curb.

Schild: You retard, Mario Galaxy actually is really good. Really though, what is up with that World Hero's comment? You sound stupider everyday.  :oh_i_see:

Really Good isn't enough for Mario. So sorry.

With all your bitching and complaining I am surprised you get around to playing games at all. The game owns ass. It is as simple as that, if you are not going to play it and enjoy what is obviously a good game, why would you take it upon yourself to talk smack about it and make yourself look stupid. It doesn't in any way seem like you have some sort of insight about the game or some valid reason to dislike it. It seems like you talked so much crap about the Wii and how it will not have good games, and when good games come out for it you feel you have to talk smack to save face. Just makes you come off like a lame ass Schild.  :roll:

And when World Hero's Gorgeous comes out, your not allowed to play. Nay sayer.  :-P 

What am I talking smack about? It's not SMB3 by any stretch and it's definitely another 3D Mario. That's all it comes down to. And that's not good enough. If you really like 3D Mario, than I guess it owns ass. Or whatever. Standard Issue 3D Mario is pretty much my least favorite iteration of any of the long running Nintendo Series. Well, really all the Nintendo stuff has been cheapened by going 3D. But that's another thing altogether.

that is BS cause when they made another 2D Mario you bitched about that too. It shouldn't matter if it is a Mario game or not. It is a fantastic fucking game and you should at least give it credit for that. It could be any random BS character and he game is still damn fun, entertaining and well done. You blowing it off cause it doesn't fit some BS Mario criteria that you pulled out of your ass just makes you sound like a jackass. Besides, how would you know it doesn't contain the best 3d platforming ever? What if its 3d platforming is in fact just as good as Mario 3's best 2d platforming? Maybe you should play it, cause really, if you are wrong, the only person missing out is you.   

How did I pull it out of my ass? I grew up with Mario. When he went 3D, and I was still reasonably young when this happened, he began to suck major dick. It isn't some new revelation. I don't know what sort of "BS Mario Criteria" you're talking about.

Also, I'm not wrong, having PLAYED IT.

I don't know why you feel the need to defend Mario. It's Mario, he doesn't need defense.

I am not defending Mario. I am defending good games from dumb people. Really, your opinions on games are fucking terrible. So bad to the point that on the occasions when I do agree with you, I actually feel bad. Mario going 3d didn't suck in the slightest. Mario 64 was fucking amazing. At the time nothing was that good. This all goes back to the same point you always seem stuck at. Games that you don't like don't always suck. Sometimes they are just no for you. You CAN dislike a good game. You can dislike a great game. But talking shit and blowing them off, and trying to come off like you have some valid reason to dislike for any other reason other than personal taste just really devalues your opinions on those games.

:roll:

Really Good is good enough for anything. 

So, two more games before I'm obligated to buy a Wii.   :|

Not for a game with a waggle wand. Killer Apps or Bust for me. That fucker is on life support.

(Or something that I'm OCD about, I want to play Harvest Moon with Waggle, heh. And a few other oddities.)

Bullshit.  Galaxies is every bit as FUN as SMB3 was back in '90.  That is really what games like this come down to, fun.  And the consensus is that Galaxies expands on Mario 64 as much or more than SMB3 expanded on its predecessors.  Truly an amazing game.     

Schild + SMB3 = WUA + UO

I love how he says "killer apps or bust" and the list of games he wants includes Kane & Lynch, Assassin's Creed and WW2 Shooter #2349.

Also calling it "standard issue 3D Mario" is kind of silly given that there have only been 2 3D Mario games and they weren't that similar.

Don't be an asshole. You know I meant on the Wii. And COD4 is very NOT WWII shooter 2349, try fucking playing it and the MP.


More like Schild + Deus Ex or Planescape = WUA + UO. All I'm asking for out of Nintendo at the end of the day is they stop with this waggle shit and put a controller driven hard mode in their fucking kiddy games.

So essentially, you want Nintendo to abandon its entire business strategy, AND the main thing that differentiates their console from others?

Check.

Wrong again. You fuckers have trouble reading. GIVE US THE OPTION is what I'm saying and have always said. If COD4 (WWII Shooter #2349...oh wait, modern combat) can give us hardcore mode and multiple difficulties with varying AI, surely Nintendo can get their shit together on that front also. After all, if anyone deserves to be called AAA, it's the Nintendo R&D groups.

I understand the waggle complaint with games such as Mario vs. Sonic Olympics where you wear your arms out with repetitive motions.  With Galaxies, from what I can tell having gotten 12 or so stars, the only waggling involved is one simple flick of the wrist to spin.  My hands are much more relaxed playing this game than with a standard controller.  I think you are just arguing for the sake of arguing on this one.   

I think it's great you find that thing comfortable.


You mean Hammer Frenzy? Until his dumbass post, I was completely amicable.

Man Schild you really can't be this naive. You are asking for all this hardcore extra tough killer mode option for people who are really good or don't want to play using an alternate input method, but neither of those options are viable options. Having a hard mode for a small minority is just not something most companies would bust their asses to achieve. You really make it seem like it is an easy fix, but is is not. You told me some BS in IM about , oh they can add hard levels to any Mario game in a month and that is BS and you know it. Cause if they had a team dedicated to making the caliber or levels needed to satisfy that tiny crowd that needs ultra complicated levels without abusing lame difficulty cranking level design options, it would take more than a month and cost more money. For who you? Me? Maybe like 5 people on this whole site? It is not worth the time or effort. And I believe you'd be the first to bitch when the levels were hard enough or hard cause they were poorly made or lame.

What it needs is an editor to shut you up. Make your own silly ass levels.  :roll:

What the fuck are you babbling about? What action/fps/platformer other than Mario (and I think Ratchet and Sly) doesn't have such options? You're a silly fucker, and also the reason this thread devolved into absolute madness.

While I have no problem with some games adding the option for non-waggle controls (especially games like Prince of Persia which were just using controller buttons mapped to waggles), I think your off your rocker with the hardcore mode. Nintendo has said repeatedly that this system is not made for hardcore gamers. So why add hardcore modes to a system that is not made for hardcore gamers? It's the same idea that fucked up FIFA 08 on the Wii in reverse. They tried to dumb down the gameplay to attract non-hardcore players to the game, but lost the things that made fans of the FIFA series fans in the first place, like the manager mode.

It's trying to play to too many audiences with diametrically opposed desires.

Hey, don't be dragging Ratchet & Clank into this.

No multiplayer :( :(

Does SMB3 have multiplayer?

(http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/9179/supermariobros3titlegh4.png)

Yes?

(ok, i thought it was pretty funny)

No multiplayer means nobody calling you various racist, antisemitic, or homophobic slurs!

Local multiplayer is just a pointless waste when one could be playing a good boardgame with people.

And if Wii being for everyone is responsible for putting in the THANK YOU SWEET JESUS in battle savegame into Fire Emblem, then HELL YEAH FUCK THE HARDCORE!  NOOB GAMES FOR EVERYONE!  GO FOR THE WAGGLE CONTROLS BOO!

Oh, yes, co-op.  Personally I would not call that multiplayer, but whatever.  Semantics, keke.  R&C does have online deathmatch in Deadlocked, but no co-op within the singleplayer storyline.  It's interesting to note that R&CF has a form of waggle.  In the case of the Tornado Launcher, it kinda sucks (good idea, execution is meh... or really I'm probably just not coordinated enough to pilot a tornado while also doing strafe-flips and firing rockets), but with the flying it works great.

I just talked to my wife and I think Galaxy is going under the tree, so my opinion will have to wait.

I've seen some gameplay videos of Super Mario Galaxies and it looks good enough that I'm anxious for GameFly to get a copy to me.  However, it's kind of a weird take for a Mario game.  In execution, I could see my nunchuk hand is almost doing the classic Mario game except I'm running around on the outside of spheres all the time.  It seems a flat plane of play isn't good enough for Mairo anymore for some reason.  Then my right hand is constantly pointing an gesturing - Mario's never had to do that before.  Still, once one gets over the absolute tooth-rotting cuteness of the game, it looks like it could be fun enough.  Hey, if we never wanted something different, how could we be the ones asking for innovation?

I'd like to point out that Ratchet & Clank already did spheres in Up Your Arsenal.

Schild: actually this all came up from your "really good isn't good enough for Mario comment."
de-railer. Habitual de-railer. You de-rail things habitually.  :awesome_for_real:

And Sonic did sphere worlds (if that is the spheres you mean) on the Genesis as bonus levels.

That's pretty topical. Thread is about Mario. And Mario used to be about Masterpieces. Even more than Mario 3, Mario World was a revelation. AND it had a shitload of stuff for the hardcore type. If someone tells me there's a starworld type place in Galaxy where you have to use the classic controller, I'll buy it and play the shit out of it. Doesn't count if it's one level during the end sequence. Katamari already did that and it was attached to a pile of awesome.

Oh, and Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne did sphere world also. They called it a bottle world.

I've heard there's a number of difficult areas towards the end, but that none of them are necessary to go through to beat the game.

Are the 8 to 12 of those areas? Tell me more.

Sadly, when it came to Mario's running around little planets, this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRxLVv1CY9w) was the first thing that came to mind.

"Sacre Bleu, who ruined mi mushroom garden?  It was probably those saucy Italians again."

Not entirely sure.  Basically from the sound of it you only need to collect so many stars to get to the end of the game, so you can get just about all the ones you need by going through the easier levels, which makes the game beatable for the more casual gamers.  For the completist/hardcore gamers though, some of the levels that open up towards the end are supposed to be pretty challenging.  Mind you this is just what I've heard, and obviously what's challenging for some people might not be challenging for you.

With my wife picking up star bits with the second controller, my hands rest naturally on the sides of my lap.  I don't even have to move the right hand around.  It removes the rigidness of a traditional controller by breaking it into two pieces.  In the context of this game, I fail to see how anyone could honestly say a regularly controller (like the 360's for example) would be more comfortable.

The game is like Mario 64, in that you only need like 60 to win but there are 120 stars to collect. I have heard that the difficulty in collecting the stars range from moderate hard to fucking retarded. SO Schild you could get it and beat it silly so you can get to that harder section of the game. But to be honest even just the running and platforming in the game is really damn fun.

You should swing by tonight. We're playing Uncharted. This fucking game burst from God's Tit itself. And the fucking writing is fantastic!

Hello.  Super Mario Galaxy is like a koala that crapped a rainbow into my brain.  The platforming is fun, very disorienting at times, and it uses the wiimote-chuck properly.  The control scheme is not tacked onto a traditional game.  I was playing last night with my arm around the boy, and it was like we were both three (only I have vastly superior motor skills).  Also, it's a lot better than Sunshine just in the first area.

I don't care for arguing on opinion, but I can say that Galaxy is a very solid, AAA game from a technical aspect.  I also weep small tears to think that some people are not going to play it.  There's probably cake at the end.

Probably yes.  I never got into Sonic, mostly due to not having a Genesis at the time.

Schild, man, it's hard enough to avoid booting up Nocturne already.  I want to finish at least DDS before I do.

Yes. I finally got to open it last night, and my initial assessment was that it's at least as good as SM64 was at the time (or is, for that matter), and is better than Sunshine. The extreme 3D is fun - unlike in other 3D Mario games, you actually move through each of the x, y and z coordinates (in a more literal way than just being able to jump toward the viewer), instead of just having the aesthetic of 3D gameplay.

Apparently (http://www.joystiq.com/2007/11/17/super-mario-galaxy-highest-rated-game-of-all-time/) the reviewers like it too.

There are 120 stars in the game. You only need 60, so you don't actually have to go to every galaxy to complete the game. Every major galaxy has three main levels that are each a star, one or two hidden stars, and a "comet." The hidden stars tend to revolve around finding a warp star to a hidden part of the level, and they tend to be much harder than the main stars. The comet shows up and opens up either a foot race with shadow mario, or some kind of hard mode version of a story star. For example, one level made you re-do a very difficult (and inventive platforming section involving a bunch of thwomps, where the movement speed of the thwomps and the moving platforms was doubled. Several boss levels send you back in to beat the boss again with only one hit point. The bosses and platforming are difficult to begin with, so the hardmode comets really make for challenges.

Additionally, there are a lot of single-star bonus galaxies that tend to be much more difficult than the main galaxies, and the waggle-centric mechanics tend to be more focused to these bonus galaxies.

Speaking of bonus galaxies, the way the music matched how fast you rolled the ball Mario was standing on?  Distilled awesome.

It's very fun. It's the kind of thing where you don't want to put it down because it won't take that long to get just one more star.

Question on the hidden stars: how do I find them?  :-P

Each galaxy has 3 levels, do I have to choose a certain one to find the hidden star or can I find it from any of the three?

I'm not sure of all the ins-and-outs but I found two by feeding star bits to a hungry luma.  He/she/it transforms into a new planet and you just have to clear it.  There's one in Space Junk, I think the second star, and he's hard to miss.  There's one in Battlerock too, but I can't recall where.

I'd say it's what 3d platforming should have been one generation ago.

Your avatar is ugly.

What about mine?

lol I JUST im'd you 10 seconds ago.

edit: so I could make fun of you.

I would be done and happy w/ this game if my wife hadn't put the gamebargo on me and only lets me play when she can play.

It's 2players.  First player gets to control mario, second player gets to make sure mario doesn't die and is chock full of star bits.

It's actually kinda fun that way.  

Better?  Ugly is a scale. Seriously, I don't want to look at rUiN 17171662's.  That's about worse than anything Signe's come up with lately.

Ho ho ho. That is what I though. I actually hate that avatar like crazy. :x

At least mine has funnies behind it. Ask Cory or Phildo (He's a jewish friend).

Jokes aren't funny if they must be explained.

apparently no Tim and Eric fans here, I'll change it to something more topical

Do new members know what your top hats are about?

Oh, oh, Yea, I'll explain my joke to you and then it'll be funny.

Before you change your avatar, I have to ask if the one with the unibrow is the top.  I mean, the one with the pink shirt does have that semi-surprised look on his face but I'm not sure what's up with unibrow's face there.  I bet there's a "second shooter", if you know what I mean.

The tophats are not meant to be funny.  They are very serious.









OK.  Really, I couldn't explain them if I wanted to.  At this point, it's just my schtick, like Henny Youngmans' violin.

I know they make me shudder. 
He's out there somewhere... watching... plotting his way to the top of a politics forum...

sorry i'm new

Tim and Eric are funny as hell and I like them a lot. But that picture is muy ugly. Use a picture of Chippy... Where's my chippy?

Ok. Now that's funny.

so anyway like i was saying, shouldn't i have been playing 3d platformers this way 5 years ago?

It is funny when people expect someone to know who Casey Tatum is. That is pretty random ass stuff. I am glad someone else likes that stuff though cause I was getting lonely laughing alone.

And no, that is why we are playing them now.

Fortunately, I don't read the local Politics forum.

The tophats weren't funny the first time I explained them, and they won't be any more funny if I explained them now.  It's Comedy Law: explained jokes are not funny.

The new avatar, indeed, is hilarious even though I have no idea who Tim and Eric are.  It stands on its own as a funny picture.

Also, yes, RUiN, you and I should have gotten this years ago as Mario 128 instead of Super Mario Watersports.  Better late than never, I suppose.  The interesting thing to me is how no one else took up the 3D-platformer slack in this area, unless you want to count Ratchet & Clank but I feel that's a different subgenre.

Merry Christmas! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwfaceTfwYs&feature=related)

SOTC did a pretty god job picking up the platformer slack even if it went towards the ultra realistic epic design instead of the nintendo-flavored-too-sugary-rehash design. (not a knock, simply nintendo's stylings as of late short of Twilight Princess).

I really like SOTC a lot but I don't think it has great "platforming" per se. It is a very awesome idea that was pretty decently done, but the concept and art and presentation are what stand out for me. The controls were pretty average.

Climbing on and jumping around the monsters and timing some of that shit wasn't platforming? What the fuck was I playing?

Sure it was platforming, but it wasn't like it was spectacularly done. It was cool and really fun but there was some chop in there and you know it. I am not knocking it, cause I love that game, but the platforming in it is not super fantastic or anything. It was very original though, so that is very cool.

I thought it was super fantastic. That game was crafted by gods. I didn't care about the "chop" if you're talking about slowdown.

Don't get me wrong I love the play mechanics and the minigame galaxies (question box galaxies) but there doesn't seem to be anything other than the "star" that couldn't be done on any other system.

after all it is a wii, not exactly pushing the boundaries of console capabilities here.

as far as the SMB3 comparison, that kind of Mario game exists in NEW super mario bros. I would be content if that kind of Mario continues that way, on that kind of console. The better comparison is more of an analogy, Galaxy is to Mario 64 as SMB3 is to SMB. The wii iteration of Mario should have been more of a leap like jumping to Mario 64 from Super Mario World. I'm not saying "4th dimension platformer" but maybe add some portals and some Little Big Planet style multiplayer would be nice.

I'm calling subgenre here, but ultimately agree with schild.  Same as I would call R&C a 3D platformer while not trying to tie it very closely with Mario.  I consider God of War to be a platformer.  SotC would count as well, and it had the imagination in it to be a good citation.  Still, it has more in common with the Mario64-era platforming than the new SMG-era stuff that is unfolding on my TV now.  SotC was more simple as far as the platforming mechanics go, and while it was awesome you were doing a lot of the same moves for each boss.  In R&C the platforming is basically hopping over obstacles/holes and dodging weapons fire, with some grind-rail and gravity-boots action sprinkled in.  The shit I'm doing in SMG has a larger variance: compare the normal platforming worlds with the spherical no-black-hole worlds and even the one where you're rolling a huge ball around.  It feels like it's more about imaginative interpretations of the core jump-on-shit mechanic, like SMW was.

SMG could have been done elsewhere, technically.  But it wasn't.

Do I get the blame poor people and the Gamecube here? I love blaming poor people and the Gamecube.

You can blame unimaginative game designers.  Blaming the Cube also blames them, so that's cool.  Like how I blame anyone who ever worked on any game ever for how there's not a modern X-COM ripoff.

You know, about XCom Ripoffs.

I keep hoping upon hope that someone rips stuff off of the NISA stuff and adds item worlds and such to their RPGs, but they seem to be in full tilt with only ripping off FFT. That's some pretty bad failing right there. I don't understand some parts of this industry.

yes SMG gets a 10 out of 10 for the variety catagory. They packaged and presented a wealth of game mechanics in such a way that it never felt overwhelming annoying or gimmicky. They even go as far as to seperate them as thier own galaxies that you can easily return to for more, manta ray surfing, or pod slinging just for kicks.

This makes me wonder, will we have enough buttons for super smash bros?

SB is designed for the GC controller, but you can opt to use Stoic-Charles mode if you like, or even single side ways wii-mote

I seriously just do not get that shit at all.

Oh man I love that show...Ja ja ja... :awesome_for_real:

surreal tangent comedy, whats not to get?

I want to see them do their own 2girls1cup. Well, not really, but I'm sure it would be good.  :ye_gods:

Tim and Eric need to die in a fire, along with most of the crap left on Adult Swim.

The Brule Report skits are hilarious!

omg I know I am a cunt but for the love of god use puncutation and capitalize the beginning of sentences.

Looks like Señor TiVo has some work to do.

What the fuck was that? People watch that and derive pleasure from it?!?!? :ye_gods:

Tim and Eric Awesome Show Great Job (http://www.adultswim.com/shows/timanderic/index.html) (that's the name of the program) requires a certain suspension of sanity to properly appreciate it.  That's why it's made the Adult Swim lineup.  A lot of their viewers toke while watching... some of them (like myself) come adequately weird without external substances.

I'm shocked it's still on the air, that and Saul of the Molemen, Tom goes to the Mayor, wtf?
Moral Oral, Metaloclypse, Robot Chicken = Funny

This live action shoestring budget unfunny bullshit?  I hope someone at Williams Street gets punched in the cock for greenlighting it.  Hell, I'm hoping I can win one of those "producer for a day" promos they run every once a while, just so I can get flown out there to lay down some righteous judgement on whomevers idea it was to put them on the air.

Also: BRING BACK NEW EPISODES OF BLEACH YOU WORTHLESS SONS OF WHORES! I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR LIKE TWO FUCKING MONTHS TO SEE WHAT ICHIGOS GODDAMN BANKAI IS, AT THIS POINT IT HAD BETTER BE A FUCKING HOT NAKED ASIAN GIRL WHO ACTUALLY POPS OUT OF THE TV AND FELLATES ME ON COMMAND!

Wondershowzen is very notfunny.  Tom Goes to the Mayor is very notfunny.  I'll have to see how this Awesome Show falls out.

Frisky Dingo is incredibly funny despite the fact that I don't know what the fuck is going on.  Metalocalypse is very funny and I do know what the fuck is going on.

3 words: Perfect Hair Forever.

Ha, I like all those shows. I really like Wondershowzen and all the Tim and Eric stuff. I really think it is a matter of liking random, surrealist humor. I really have to put an emphasis on random here cause Tim and Eric are fucking random.

No, see, that's not surreal tangent comedy, that's just two jackasses with an avid machine smoking too much dope and thinking they are funnier than they are. There's nothing funny about that video.

Frisky Dingo, Sealab, Aqua Teen (with the exception of a few episodes like the Dickesode), those are surreal tangent comedy. I see funnier stuff when my niece and nephew sing songs in front of the family than I do in any of the Tim and Eric stuff.

(http://images.mmorpg.com/images/latestextracomic.jpg?112107)

that was just one little skit i recomend an entire episode, the crappy video effects are part of the joke... duh

I get that. I just don't think it's funny. I've seen episodes of Tom Goes to the Mayor, and never found anything funny about them either.

yeah it's an aquired taste... the jokes are in the facial expressions and stuff. so don't worry abot it too much, okay pep pep?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH pep pep.. :oh_i_see:

Haemish never thinks things that I like are funny either, so don't feel bad.  :pedobear:

My problem with Wondershowzen is that it literally doesn't want me to watch it.  I tried.  It hurts me.

What about the Slaves! song? That was gold.

It's the hot dog highway! Beep Beep!

"I'm not a stranger son, my name is Steve..."   :ye_gods:

Genius....

I just beat it after getting all 120 stars.

My only complaint would be that a few of the purple coin challenges were tedious. Other than that it was pitch-perfect from start to finish.

Harvey Birdman? Yes.

Tom Goes to the Mayor was the worst thing ever put on broadcast TV until the Tim and Eric Awesome Show. I don't know how to describe it, but they somehow managed to make a show so bad, that your time would actually be better spent in a coma.

I just...don't get Tim and Eric at all.  God awful trash, all around.  How they managed to get not only one show, but two, is a fucking travesty.  I used to be able to watch Adult Swim nonstop, now I have to jump back and forth because of all the crap they have these days. 

Agreed, [AS] has gone way the fuck downhill.

That fact was really driven home around the time that Tom, 12oz Mouse and Squidbillies were the only thing on and once you got past them it was Inuyasha time.  I miss Teen Titans...


As for the game this thread was about, I'm looking forward to buying it.  While I never got into 3d Mario on the 64 (I didn't own a 64 ever, that didn't help) it was a decent game.  The wii is the only console worth owning if you are a PC gamer, which is why I look forward to owning one.  If I wanted to play good looking games I would be on my pc.  When people are over I prefer they bring girls, the wii finally creates an environment where girls and video games can mix without said girls being fugly as hell.  This is nice. This is why I like the wii.  That and things like wii shooting, the minigame game w/ the bunnies and the new zelda seemed pretty spiffy when I tried them out. 

Final thought:  Does anyone know how to suck less at wii boxing?  I mean goddamn I am fucking awful at that game for some reason.

I have 102 stars. I must collect them all.

Have you done the Wii Boxing training games? Those did wonders for my boxing.

What worked for me was not being a fucking pussy.

I'm a pure natural at Wii Boxing, so... no help here.

Today my son broke into a gushing explanation of what we did in Super Mario Galaxy last night to our waitress.  Good thing he's so cute since his conversation topics are so outside the mainstream.  Also, SMG is the best parental carrot to date.  It's even better than threat of physical punishment.

Pretty much the last good series to come out of that studio.

Venture Brothers and Boondocks are good too, but different studios.

You forgot Frisky Dingo.

Perfect Hair Forever you bastards!

I stand corrected on Frisky Dingo.   That one starts out pretty cheesy, SeaLab 2021 bad, but gets better.

Perfect Hair Forever... I'm honestly surprised anyone besides me found it amusing.  Freaky show.

People really need to stop doing that, fucking show is so many flavors of awesome its like a rainbow in my brain.
Ok but I already have a penis, I'm glad you've joined the club, but do you have any more ideas?

Here are my Wii boxing tips:

Hold the coltrolls pointing towards the ceiling.

Do a 1,2 by flicking your wrists down so that the controllers are parallel to the ground.

From there, go down a bit further and back up to do an uppercut.

To throw a hook start with controller pointing at ceiling and rotate in towards your other hand.

I typically do a one-two jab followed by either a hook or an uppcut. Remember that with good timing you will get the longer hit stun effect so you have to slow down your timing a little bit. Also remember to dodge and try to get the matrix dodging effect.

Finally, and most importantly, use timing and rythm, don't spasm. If you spasm everything gets all fucked up and you won't be able to control your character at all.

Haha I just fuck with you because you're my birthday twin.

The trick is to not throw actual punches (too exhausting, but actually a great upper-body cardio workout). Just tap at the air with the wiimotes (like doing "air" drumsticks) while tilting/pointing them in unison to bob and weave. If your opponent is weaving to one side, weave with him/her to land some good punches. Also, aiming low seems to work well, as they mostly guard the face.

I dug "Tom Goes To The Mayor" because it had a general premise: People who live in small post-industrial middle-American towns are stupid.   "Rats Off To Ya" was funny because it was the sort of shit that would actually become a trend, kind of like Baha Men music or Nick Lachey, or those Croc shoes.

Also, I kind of get a kick out of the buffet restaurant being the site for all the city council meetings and important events. And Bob Odenkirk is usually funny.