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Trailer here: http://www.gamersyde.com/stream_4151_en.html

Likelihood of shit-storm over the new "ganados" being black people: 80%.

Anyway yeah, it looks awesome.

I already commented on the black issue on NeoGAF. It didn't get me a ban. My response was:

"Speedstick, it's not expensive."

Yea, it's going to rock.

Why the hell do you keep talking about getting banned from NeoGAF. Also, where the hell did they come from with the 2400 active users. They get a pocket dev like FoH did?

They're the biggest North American gaming forum. Jaffe, Allard (well, he's banned), and a shitload of other devs post there.

Also, I like speedstick. It's not expensive.

Oh, and are they really that far along with RE5 that they had that much playable footage? Will we actually see it in 2008? Fo rizzle?

If you count GameFAQs no it isn't.

Also, a quick glance at their board makes me wonder why you care. Those boards are a complete shithole. It's a mini-GameFAQs + devs.

They get news much faster than Gamefaqs. And unlike Gamefaqs, it's easy to navigate. Also, Gamefaqs isn't Just a Messageboard. The NG frontpage is more non-existant than ours.

In fact, they get news faster than everyone. They're full of internet detectives. Kotaku, Joystiq, etc could not exist without NeoGAF doing their work for them.

You like Axe, you joiner.

The Spanish ganados seemed to move at a more languid pace compared to the frenetic action in the newest RE5 trailer.  <insert self deprecating joke here>

I am psyched for this.

I'm very annoyed since the mp4 version of the trailer randomly freezes in VLC and plays only in black and white in Windows Media Player.

Yeah it seems like the black zombies has already started a problem. Funny how the Spaniards had no problem with us shooting their virtual knees and faces.

Oh man, I've got some things to say about "black zombies."

I recall that the Spaniards actually did have a bit of a problem and Capcom pointed out that nowhere in RE4 did they ever mention specifically they were in Spain.  But where else would they be?

No one is going to like being the group that is being shot and killed.

Well, the "spaniards" called us UN POLICIA and such in Resident Evil 5.

Black people better yell "5-0 nigga, FIVE MOTHERFUCKING O" or I'm gonna be very angry.

Edit: I'm sorry. I don't do sensitive.

I don't think the game is set in Philadelphia.  I expect them to speak French.

I blame myself for perpetuating black stereotypes for you by watching "The Wire" without headphones on, but then again it is Baltimore and that is how they talk.

lol @ black people defending the rights of black zombies.

It's because we've killed all the white zombies.  Next.

I'm pro-'pissing off a minority by having all of the zombies be of that minority' but anti-'letting the white supremacists have a game that lets them shoot minorities exclusively and say some stupid shit like "I'm training for the race wars"'.  This leaves me rather conflicted.  But mostly I'm against having to deal with a dozen zombies at a time while having to use an analog stick for aiming.

Note: Never heard a black person complain about Grand Theft Auto, Crackdown, or Saint's Row. And as far as I can tell, the people in those games weren't zombies.

I think.

I read plenty of complaints from white boyz complaining that they had to be a black character. Especially for GTA: SA.

They had no problem with shooting those of other colour, however. Make of that what you will.

It's not racism unless the boss at the end of the level is white.

As a person who didn't play GTA:SA for that reason I make of it that I didn't relate to the character (or the hiphop culture) in the game so didn't bother. It's the same reason my MMO characters are never female, etc. I think maybe you're trying to make some comment here where for most people it's not deserved?

I have no problems with shooting anyone in a game though except women and kids, for some reason even in a game I feel like a freak when I do that. Which means I expect to be highly conflicted by Bioshock.


It'd be funny as hell if he was dressed up as some kind of plantation owner or something! What? *raises fist* I'm solid!

Certainly some people did not like controlling a black character in San Andreas, but I agree that these same people would likely not have played Beyond Good & Evil, The Longest Journey or maybe not even Metroid.  They didn't seem to have any trouble playing an Italian in Vice City, so what does that mean?

He was italian? I thought he was suppose to be Cuban ala Scarface?

Voiced by Ray Liotta?

Yes.

With the name Tommy Vercetti?

This is just as amusing when someone thought my last name was Italian.

You know, it just occured to me. I did play those other games but don't play females in MMOs. Maybe it has something to do with the genre or something. I know in San Andreas my deal, more than race or anything else, was the percieved gang banger aspects of the game. I don't like that lifestyle, even in entertainment so was totally turned off from the game.

What about Half-Life?  Gordon Freeman is black.

Google Images: Half Life

What are you saying?

I'm saying that I refuse to direct link any Gordon Freeman images because last time I direct link'd an image, everyone nearly got fired.

OK.  I thought you were going to link a site about Gordon being Hispanic or something.

1) You're blind. he is about the most pasty faced white man ever.
2) Even if he was, he's a scientist not a gang banger so he's more "relateable."

He's not white, he's had his blood diluted by The White Man.  Do you know any white people named Gordon Freeman?  That club others with a crowbar?  That lead his people to freedom?

Actually, in seriousness, I would love to have a real discussion of this issue but I'm very sure the Intertubes would not suffer it.  I'll just say that I figure my assertion that Gordon Freeman is black has about as much validity as asserting he is white.

Hell. How could I have missed it? Gordan Freeman was the Lovechild of Martin Luther King, Ghandi, and Ho Chi Minh in some weird, freak Teleporter accident. In his veins flows the blood of The Oppressed. His voice is that of Liberty.

Obviously, he'll be played by Samuel L. Jackson in the movie.

Sup guys. Black at Heart. White in Concept Art. Word up.

(http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20030808/freeman.jpg)

Check yourself before you wreck yourself, niggaz.

Maybe he's an albino.

I was thinking of reviews from players that went "GTA SA is grate by y I hav 2 b a nigga?". I saw enough of that sentiment to call it a trend among certain sections of the game play.

Actually, it'll be Lawrence Fishburne. We white folks can accept him in comedic roles, but he otherwise scares us. Larry has a nice soothing voice and we are used to see him saving white folk in the Matrix.

I like black people.  I despise the shit that passes for popular black culture in the US.  I doubly despise people who think that the latter statement is mutually exclusive from the former.  Inquiries may be directed to the Martin Luther King episode of Boondocks.

You know, this is pretty much exactly how I feel. Perhaps it's why I get along so well with the black people at work. (in fact, in our lunch group that plays dominoes I'm the only white person. Heh.) They're from the previous generation which is all about jazz and James Brown and such...

So I guess to be precise I should say "young" black culture, the hip hop culture.

(http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Film/Pix/gallery/2005/06/13/freeman3.jpg)

This is true of the original Gamecube version.  However, in the PS2/Wii Separate Ways set of chapters (where you play as Ada and do stuff like ring the church bell) her opening movie shows a helicopter computer screen with a blinking target on Spain.

As to the larger issue- there is a reason Nazis and Soviets get so much screen time in movies and games.  I don't know who the video game world would have had us fight without them.  I'm betting better than even odds the black zombie thing gets changed. 

Should be pretty easy.  As we have learned from Gordon Freeman, the deciding apsect is a particular skin tone, so it should be pretty easy to just retint the textures of the zombies such that it looks like you are actually in Arizona.

I think Sam Jackson would be a fine choice to play Gordon.  "VORTIGAUNTS, MOTHERFUCKER!" and "My crowbar is the one that says BAD MOTHEFUCKER on it," would be choice lines.

You know, on this Gordon Freeman thing, I'm not sure where the joke is coming from. If anything, to me, he looks Jewish.

The joke is basically in assigning cultural identities and motivations to people based solely on simple visual indicators, which goes back to the RE5 stink.  There is also the cultural component to consider when pigeonholing another human, such as who they play what game with and what music and food they like.  Discussing jazz while playing dominoes is definitely seen in certain American cultures that are generally populated by people of recent African descent, for example; in other words, that's a black thing to do.

Basically when I say Gordon Freeman is black, the only counter I can think of woud be that his skin is too pale.  Likewise if I tell people I'm not white/caucasian/cracker or mark "Other" in the ethnic section of a form, that's about the only thing I can imagine people using to argue with me.  "Ya look white ta me, Simon Legree!"

I am not picking on you, if it seems that way.  I find the whole idea of categorizing people to be either overdone or underdone, and the human mind fascinates me.  I like to find out how people arrive at the opinions they have formed.

http://www.blacklooks.org/2007/07/resident_evil_5.html

lawl

So, I suppose, Warn the Japanese that black people are coming?

A key point here is that Spaniards have never really been portrayed as spear-chucking savages in our culture. This is a good example of exactly equal treatment in one way not really being equal in another.

Gibbering black people throwing sickles at people does hit a bit closer to how we've traditionally viewed black people in the past. Taken out of the context of the RE games it does look kind of odd, but in the context of the series it's no big deal.

Once again, not made by Americans, and as far as I can tell, the Japanese never owned slaves. To them, those "black people" - since we don't know if it IS Africa - are just another one of the peoples of Earth. Any Black person that takes offense to Resident Evil 5 is a retard.

What does owning slaves have to do with anything? The Japanese have their own fairly racist attitudes about black people.

Yea, and I bet the black people at black looks know a whole lot about the Japanese. I'm 170% sure that all Blacklooks saw was a white guy killing zombies black people.

Well I agree with that. Again, I think their concerns only make any sense if they are ignorant about the nature of the RE series. In a total vacuum a game where a white guy fights a bunch of almost literally spear-chucking black savages does look a bit odd. Of course ignorance is no excuse and RE5 doesn't bother me at all; I'm just saying I understand where the concerns are coming from.

The videogame industry has no shortage of incidents over the years of jackasses taking games far out of context and declaring them the evilest thing since Hitler.  When you have people saying with straight faces that Wolfenstein 3D trains children to murder, this is really mild in the grand scheme of things.

On the point about the Japanese- if this design doc w/black zombies had come up first in a boardroom in the US somewhere, the PR concern would've followed about three nanoseconds later.  In Japan, I'm fairly certain the motivation wasn't "lets screw over black people because we hate them"- I'm betting the issue literally didn't cross any of their minds.  Political correctness has absolutely no hold on them whatsoever, given the 99% Japanese racial rate in Japan.  But not being aware of political correctness is not the same thing as being racist. 

My bet, again, is compromising by making the zombies Middle Eastern.  They don't have a large or politically effective enough lobby to complain!

EDIT: And lest we forget, RE4 had black ganados (JJ).  And I want to say that in RE2, there was a policeman who was a black zombie as well (cut scene zombie, I believe).

Neither do black people, but the white man is a big pussy.

Even if there is no racist intent behind it (which I'm 100% sure there isn't), the images are pretty racially suggestive considering it's Chris (who is so fucking white in RE5 all he needs is a hood) shooting savage looking black people. Of course, honestly taking offense to it is pretty stupid.

P.S. The Japanese are pretty racist on average. Especially against Koreans.

That's true. Of course that has nothing to do with Japan, which is fairly racist (and xenophobic) society.

Too bad they're not black people.

They're a nation of whatever people that happen to be ZOMBIES.

Zombies have no race. And the people complaining about it are just retarded. As in, their brain is broken.

That's what really matters, right, that there's actual discussion going on about something that's super dumb.

What the fuck you talkin' 'bout, Willis?




Semi-related:

I finished RE1, but never finished RE2, or started RE3, or RE4.

Worth going back and playing them now? If so, which ones?

Just play RE4.

It's just one of those games where, if you don't like it, you're wrong.

I SAW THIS SOUTH PARK EPISODE THAT EXPLAINS THIS YOU SEE

YOU SEE, THE KIDS GOT CHARGED WITH CHANGING THE SOUTH PARK FLAG RIGHT, WHICH WAS A PICTURE OF 4 WHITE GUYS LYNCHING A BLACK GUY AND THEY EVENTUALLY CAME UP WITH THE IDEA OF MAKING THE REST OF THE PEOPLE DOING THE LYNCHING DIFFERENT RACES

BECAUSE YOU SEE THEY DIDN'T NOTICE THE RACIAL CONNOTATION WITH THE HANGING AND JUST SAW THAT NOT EVERYONE WAS REPRESENTED

If you don't think that the imagery is at least racially suggestive (regardless of the fact there was no racist intent behind it), you're basically just plugging your ears and screaming since for some reason you think recognizing that will bring out the censorship squad.

Unless you got the PC version, in which case YOU DON'T READ TOO GOOD, DO YOU ?

Oh, as for the race thing :  It sounds bad to me unless the game is actually based in Africa or something.  If not and they're ALL black, that's sending the wrong message.

And whatnot.

REE4 is zombie Jesus.  RE2 is ok, never played RE3, and RE0 is pure shit.  Get RE4 pronto (NOT on the PC, as Ironwood said).   

2 and 3 are both decent, they are a little more action oriented than 1, but you aren't missing too much by not playing them. I do like the storyline to 2 a lot.

Zero was just kind of boring. I don't know if it was really bad as much as that the series had gotten stale.

I love RE2, but you aren't going to see the full game unless you play through it with both characters.  RE3 is completely skippable.  Enough has been said about RE4 here that I don't really need to say anything.  Code Veronica was pretty good as well if you haven't played it.  If you're into the storyline running through the RE games it's especially worth playing.  If you have a GC I'd recommend the RE1 remake, but not so much RE0.

I played 1, 2, and 3 back in the day.  I loved them (#2 was really good), so I would recommend at least playing the first 2 since they are fun and you will get alot of the story.  Number 3 doesnt really add anything new, except for showing how some of the other characters got out of the city and how the situation in Racoon city was finally delt with.

I loved the franchise, but never got around to playing any of the other games.  Hopefully I can try RE4, since everybody raves about that, but how was Veronica and Zero?  I really dont care about Zero, but might try it if it has anything to add to the story before RE4.

I just want actual zombies again and not stupid brain parasites. 

This one looks drug induced. Maybe Jenkem. lawls africa

Zero doesn't add anything to the story, and it makes Rebecca's timid behavoir in RE1 seem really odd.  Code Veronica had a decent story though, giving more background on Umbrella and bringing back Wesker.  Gameplay-wise they pretty much play like all the other games in the series.

Well. Fuck. There goes my idea for Boer/Zulu Wars Online.

Oh come on.  The difference was Nil.

I'd be more than happy for the RE series to continue on without actual zombies, so long as Capcom gives us more Dead Rising games (with zombies).

I summon thee, great bumping jesus.

Yea yea, I know there's a coop thread, but I'm not playing through coop for the first time.

I finally got it. I like it. Haters be damned. It's Resident Evil and still controls better than 1-3. I'm ok with a rehash of 4. In fact, I welcome it. :drill:

The controls SUCK ASS and too many FMVs.

That said, are there lots of puzzles in it a la RE1 and 2?  I haven't played the RE series since 2.

The puzzles are many and varied, and always involve shooting darkies.
The controls are better than the ones in RE4, which was already leaps and bounds above RE 1-3. Still shitty, though.

Don't bring that crap here.

It really isn't in any sort of meaningful way.

My roomie and I were playing this game A LOT for a while there. Right now I'm addicted to The Mercinaries mode. Wesker and Zubaz Chris are the most fun so far.