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Reply #70 on: June 11, 2015, 10:03:03 AM

I wonder what they'll do about Russia. Did they even have battleships that weren't from before the revolution or charity hand-me-downs from other Allies? Probably a shitload of paper ships I imagine.

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Reply #71 on: June 11, 2015, 11:05:03 AM

Honestly no Navy could fill every tier with non-paper ships.  Some will be worse than others, I believe the Montana is the only paper ship in the US tree.  It was actually ordered but construction was never started because the Iowa class was deemed sufficient.  For the Russians pretty much all carriers and any post dreadnaught BBs will be paper, although I think some of their pre and post WW2 BB designs got as far as having keels laid.  The Brits have tons of ships but I believe they'll need to use paper ships for tier 9+ BBs and some of the CVs.  The Germans have significant holes in all but the DD lines and even for those they'll need some paper designs.  In some respects setting the time frame from 1901 to 1921 probably would have been better.  They wouldn't have to deal with CVs at all and could have filled out DD, C, BC and BB lines with non paper ships for almost all the major naval powers.
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Reply #72 on: June 11, 2015, 12:25:19 PM

Finally patched this up and played a few games last night. I can't remember shit about it, so I was easy pickings. I just want my reward boat.

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Reply #73 on: June 11, 2015, 09:33:49 PM

Sooo, I'm discovering that life turns really shitty for japanese carriers real fast. Smaller squadrons, not nearly enough fighters, and every ship has 400 AA guns. Squadrons are good for one, maybe two runs before getting wiped out.

They really need to let us just pick the squadron types for ourselves. Dive bombers appear to be next to useless.

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Reply #74 on: June 13, 2015, 06:29:33 AM

I pulled the trigger. I'm so sorry mom :(

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Reply #75 on: June 14, 2015, 11:44:43 PM

It seems the step from closed to open beta is imminent™ soon™.
I had only played PvE before this announcement so I crammed in my 49 (+1)* PvP games this weekend to qualify for the USS Arkansas and ended up with a record of 23-2-25 which was to be expected since there's no way I can carry the game right now so I'm at the mercy of matchmaking. I would've done a bit better if I didn't so badly with battleships** -- I just can not do well in the Tier III ones. They are vulnerable to everything with destroyers and torpedo bombers being able to kill you in one torpedo salvo and if you miss your shots, which isn't hard to do, the reload and traversal times are so slow you might as well just scuttle the ship at that point.

* The US page says you need 49 games but I did 50 just in case

** I went like 1 - 8 this evening while grinding XP to unlock the Tier IV BBs.
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Reply #76 on: June 15, 2015, 12:13:18 AM

Yeah, I did similar. with similar results.as I'm doing better with Cruisers because I'm adapting a policy of "I'm an escort, so I'm gonna pick a BB or group of them and stick to them like glue" For the record my results are 23 won  4draw  29 lost out of 56 played

 Like you I cannot get the hang of the early BBs at all as both the T3 ones are slow and the range is utter crap (though the Japanese one seems slightly better) I assume the later ones are betterthan those. I played enough BB PVP to unlock the Jap carrier tree and I#m 2100 away from the US one. I think I won maybe 2 games with a Battleship? Urgh. No thanks.

Played 1 game with a destroyer and was spinning crazily around without a clue what I was doing and I could not handle the manoeuvrability of the thing.

So any tips on how to lead your target? I do ok with cruisers but I do crap with battleships.

I think I'm having the same problem here though that I did with WOT. I start just playing games just to grind to the next tier, which means I play like a Zombie without a dead brain. Not good and I don't enjoy myself at all which is the whole point of the thing.
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Reply #77 on: June 15, 2015, 12:33:50 AM

You do realize 'Jap' became a racial slur because of World War II right?
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Reply #78 on: June 15, 2015, 12:47:27 AM

Well it certainly was not meant in that way. I'll edit it

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Reply #79 on: June 15, 2015, 10:41:14 AM

Sooo, I'm discovering that life turns really shitty for japanese carriers real fast. Smaller squadrons, not nearly enough fighters, and every ship has 400 AA guns. Squadrons are good for one, maybe two runs before getting wiped out.

They really need to let us just pick the squadron types for ourselves. Dive bombers appear to be next to useless.

This guy did an in depth look at all the carriers in the game right now and his overall conclusion is that the whole carrier side of the game is a total mess since the 3.1 patch. He says as an IJN (that acceptable trippy?) carrier if there is so much as a single USN carrier over on the other side you might as well ram something. If there isn't its god mode till your bombers run out due to the massive AA out there at high tiers, at which point you might as well ram something. Its not "hur hur US griging" he has bad things to say about the US carriers as well. His basic point is that the game is decided by your matchmaching and your loadout before you even move.

If you are not interested in the individual carrier discussion watch the first 6 minutes then skip forward to around 23 minutes where he goes into actual gameplay examples.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2Vrga6RiPs

Now, WG might argue that they are following historical accuracy because by the end of WW2 IJN aircraft were a complete joke. That's true but they have been very willing to sacrifice historical accuracy for gameplay balance when it suits them. Simply doubling the amount of IJN aircraft in a flight and handwave it away by saying "oh it represents 2 flights in one" might go some way to redressing the balance between the IJN and USN Carriers but it does not solve the overall problems with the Carrier system itself.

Basically its just not fun. I saw it myself last night in my first carrier PVP match. I played one game, launched my fighters and sent my bombers at a cruiser. the enemy torpedo bombmer flew right over to the spawn, found me and sunk me despite the efforts of my one flight of fighters. I sunk a cruiser and splashed 4 bombers. End of my game. Wow, that was exciting.
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Reply #80 on: June 15, 2015, 12:12:49 PM

Basically its just not fun. I saw it myself last night in my first carrier PVP match. I played one game, launched my fighters and sent my bombers at a cruiser. the enemy torpedo bombmer flew right over to the spawn, found me and sunk me despite the efforts of my one flight of fighters. I sunk a cruiser and splashed 4 bombers. End of my game. Wow, that was exciting.

This sounds to me as much like a teamwork issue as a carrier balance issue.  Carriers need support just as Battleships do.  If you're not getting that team support, you will be less effective.  Positioning and support are key for carrier to have maximum impact.

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Reply #81 on: June 15, 2015, 12:16:24 PM

Yes but it's rare for cruisers to escort carriers. Also at lower tiers ship AA sucks all around.
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Reply #82 on: June 15, 2015, 12:18:03 PM


Played 1 game with a destroyer and was spinning crazily around without a clue what I was doing and I could not handle the manoeuvrability of the thing.

So any tips on how to lead your target? I do ok with cruisers but I do crap with battleships.


To your first point, you will just have to drive/sail Destroyers more to get the hang of them.  Their maneuverability is what sets them apart, and it is the most drastic of all the ship classes.  I personally enjoy the US destroyers more, but that is due to me being more of a "gunship" style of captain than a "torpedo boat" style.  

Battleship accuracy is extremely difficult right now.  I doesn't matter which navy/tech. tree line you choose.  At ranges beyond ~10km it will often feel like you are simply praying to the RNG to score a hit.  I don't really begin to count on my shells landing until I am at roughly half of the listed range of my guns.  It is very frustrating for BB captains from a gunnery perspective.  You can be positioned properly, firing from the second line and adding heavy gun fire... and never hit a shot.  Don't get upset with yourself too much for missing your shots with a BB, it's a crap shoot at the moment

In my opinion, after the 3.1 changes, fast firing cruisers and destroyers are overpowered right now.  More accurately, fire damage and changes to cause fire, are overpowered.  As a US cruiser, currently, I would only ever fire HE.  

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Reply #83 on: June 15, 2015, 12:59:54 PM

Yes but it's rare for cruisers to escort carriers. Also at lower tiers ship AA sucks all around.


It never really occurred to me to  screen a carrier. I always thought they were too far in the back. You would have to be in something like a Yukami to make a real a difference and to be able to haul ass to a problem area.

I could give it a whirl though.

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Reply #84 on: June 15, 2015, 01:16:44 PM

They usually are but they shouldn't be, especially if they have an escort. Being closer to the action means it's a quicker turnaround for your planes.
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Reply #85 on: June 15, 2015, 01:22:52 PM

Sadly you don't get much XP for shooting down planes so while escorting a carrier might make tactical sense, unless you fend off a couple DD attacks you won't be making much headway towards your next ship.
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Reply #86 on: June 15, 2015, 01:31:00 PM

That's correct. This game only indirectly rewards teamwork and a lot of players just want to YOLO and shoot other ships. I played a number of domination games over the weekend where my team would blissfully ignore the objectives while the other team capped all the points.
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Reply #87 on: June 15, 2015, 01:57:25 PM

If you haven't bought one of the Founder's Packs to get into the beta, Humble Bundle is running an E3 Digital Ticket Special right now.

For less than $6, you get a ton of shit, including Payday 2 and some DLC for it (that's the top tier), a shitload of games or keys for games/MMOG's, including a full 30-day sub standard edition of Wildstar (that's on the first tier so basically as little as $1) and on the first tier, you get a World of Warships beta key plus bonus content (also on the first tier so basically $1).

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Reply #88 on: June 15, 2015, 02:11:42 PM

If you haven't bought one of the Founder's Packs to get into the beta, Humble Bundle is running an E3 Digital Ticket Special right now.

For less than $6, you get a ton of shit, including Payday 2 and some DLC for it (that's the top tier), a shitload of games or keys for games/MMOG's, including a full 30-day sub standard edition of Wildstar (that's on the first tier so basically as little as $1) and on the first tier, you get a World of Warships beta key plus bonus content (also on the first tier so basically $1).

I wish I had time to play even half of those..intriguing.

In WOWS news, I have ground all the way to tier 3 (St. Louis). It is slow, but it has a lot more firepower than the stuff before it. Getting decent at leading shots, so I am able to outdamage many of the spatially challenged people I run into. Still trying to learn how to protect myself better, when to repair, etc. it is fun, but doesn't have the stickiness that WoT does for me, at least not yet.

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Reply #89 on: June 15, 2015, 02:36:42 PM

If you haven't bought one of the Founder's Packs to get into the beta, Humble Bundle is running an E3 Digital Ticket Special right now.

For less than $6, you get a ton of shit, including Payday 2 and some DLC for it (that's the top tier), a shitload of games or keys for games/MMOG's, including a full 30-day sub standard edition of Wildstar (that's on the first tier so basically as little as $1) and on the first tier, you get a World of Warships beta key plus bonus content (also on the first tier so basically $1).

Do you know if this stacks with the preorder bundle? A Murmansk and 5 port slots would be nice.

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Reply #90 on: June 15, 2015, 02:40:02 PM

If you haven't bought one of the Founder's Packs to get into the beta, Humble Bundle is running an E3 Digital Ticket Special right now.

For less than $6, you get a ton of shit, including Payday 2 and some DLC for it (that's the top tier), a shitload of games or keys for games/MMOG's, including a full 30-day sub standard edition of Wildstar (that's on the first tier so basically as little as $1) and on the first tier, you get a World of Warships beta key plus bonus content (also on the first tier so basically $1).

The premium ship is the Murmansk, it's a tier v cruiser.  It's based on an Omaha class cruiser that was lend leased to the Soviets in 1944.  It is a pretty decent tier 5 ship with an accurate and fairly hard hitting broadside, good if slow torpedoes and a useful AA capability.
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Reply #91 on: June 15, 2015, 02:43:07 PM

If you haven't bought one of the Founder's Packs to get into the beta, Humble Bundle is running an E3 Digital Ticket Special right now.

For less than $6, you get a ton of shit, including Payday 2 and some DLC for it (that's the top tier), a shitload of games or keys for games/MMOG's, including a full 30-day sub standard edition of Wildstar (that's on the first tier so basically as little as $1) and on the first tier, you get a World of Warships beta key plus bonus content (also on the first tier so basically $1).

Do you know if this stacks with the preorder bundle? A Murmansk and 5 port slots would be nice.

I got the ship, a slot for it, and the gold, but not the 5 additional slots.  I've read speculation that people who already had 5 slots added due to an event that occurred in early closed beta aren't getting the 5 extra slots from the bundle.
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Reply #92 on: June 15, 2015, 02:44:13 PM

I would assume it wouldn't stack with the preorder bundle, since it's basically almost free to get it.

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Reply #93 on: June 15, 2015, 02:49:30 PM

first game with the Murmansk

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Reply #94 on: June 15, 2015, 03:00:56 PM

Unfortunately the code is for NA server only.  Ohhhhh, I see.
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Reply #95 on: June 15, 2015, 03:03:48 PM

In WOWS news, I have ground all the way to tier 3 (St. Louis). It is slow, but it has a lot more firepower than the stuff before it. Getting decent at leading shots, so I am able to outdamage many of the spatially challenged people I run into. Still trying to learn how to protect myself better, when to repair, etc. it is fun, but doesn't have the stickiness that WoT does for me, at least not yet.
WoT definitely has more depth of gameplay than WoWS so if that's what floats your boat (har har) WoT is the better game.
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Reply #96 on: June 15, 2015, 05:54:06 PM

WoT definitely has more depth of gameplay than WoWS so if that's what floats your boat (har har) WoT is the better game.

Yeah, its impossible to have bushes on the open sea.  Ohhhhh, I see.

The premium ship is the Murmansk, it's a tier v cruiser.  It's based on an Omaha class cruiser that was lend leased to the Soviets in 1944.  It is a pretty decent tier 5 ship with an accurate and fairly hard hitting broadside, good if slow torpedoes and a useful AA capability.

I was actually playing with it today. The one thing you didn't mention is that the guns have pretty serious range for its tier. I think it's something like 16kms. The AA is also a massive 120 dps within 2kms, but only a decent 24 out to 5kms so you have effectively a very good self defense against aircraft. To protect others with your big AA  you would have to be within 2 kms (not going to happen) or between them and the Enemy so the planes fly over you.

But yeah it's fun to play.
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Reply #97 on: June 15, 2015, 06:12:17 PM

I used a Humble Bundle code for the Russian ship and other goodies but if anyone wants the beta code for NA let me know.  I'm not sure if it will work without the other code but worth a shot, I guess.
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Reply #98 on: June 15, 2015, 07:32:22 PM

WoT definitely has more depth of gameplay than WoWS so if that's what floats your boat (har har) WoT is the better game.

I would argue that if depth of play is what someone is interested in they should be playing War Thunder Ground Forces in realistic, or God help you, simulator.

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Reply #99 on: June 16, 2015, 10:15:51 AM

Played 3 games of this last night once it finally downloaded. So far, I like it but that's only been against bots. As a starting player, getting the Muramask(?) is way OP. That thing was awesomesauce.

EDIT: I'm in as HaemishM.
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Reply #100 on: June 16, 2015, 12:21:11 PM

Bear in mind that bot games don't count towards the 49+ you need, I'm pretty sure. Also, the bots seem to be better players than real people a lot of the time.

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Reply #101 on: June 16, 2015, 12:23:13 PM

Bear in mind that bot games don't count towards the 49+ you need, I'm pretty sure. Also, the bots seem to be better players than real people a lot of the time.

I would imagine the former is true, and the latter is definitely true. I am awful, and still better than many players I run into.

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Reply #102 on: June 16, 2015, 12:31:22 PM

PvE games don't show up in your service record so they are unlikely to count towards the CBT bonus reward. The AI is decent but I'm pretty sure I won a much higher percentage of my PvE games than I do my a PvP games.
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Reply #103 on: June 16, 2015, 12:33:54 PM

The Bots don't really work together as a unit. Um... ok yeah.  why so serious?

A list of the "hidden controls" of the game.

https://www.themittani.com/features/world-warships-hidden-controls

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Reply #104 on: June 16, 2015, 03:04:18 PM

I used a Humble Bundle code for the Russian ship and other goodies but if anyone wants the beta code for NA let me know.  I'm not sure if it will work without the other code but worth a shot, I guess.

Wish I would have seen this, then again, giving my son a and I two accounts with tier 5 ships for 1 dollar each is pretty darn sweet.

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