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Reply #210 on: November 05, 2007, 02:37:02 AM

Also throw in the god-awful dialogue and NPC sound bytes and I'm seriously ready to let the demons eat the lot of them.

I'm only through Act 2 but seriously is there one decent quest at all with dialogue that isnt some lame pun or just batshit stupid?  It seems the only research they did for an authentic English feel was to watch some Monty Python.
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Reply #211 on: November 05, 2007, 02:45:24 AM

Wait until you meet Tiberius.

I reiterate a previous point ... lack of originality, not homage.

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Reply #212 on: November 05, 2007, 03:25:05 AM

Since when is complaining about Dialogue worthwhile?

I have yet to care about the writing in any MMOG. ANY.

All they have to be is:
"blah blah blah blah location blah blah blah number blah blah blah monster." In fact, I wish every single MMOG would adopt the following: "X Y Z." X being action (kill, escort blah), Y being character/number of character, etc), and Z being location.

Then I wouldn't have to waste time clicking. But seriously. Complaining about dialogue

PLEASE COMPLAIN ABOUT SOMETHING WORTHWHILE OR GO PLAY AN ACTUAL SINGLE PLAYER GAME THAT WAS MADE FOR DIALOGUE. I'm not even defending hellgate here. It's just fucking common sense. It's like caring about the dialogue in Counterstrike or Street Fighter. Jesus. Just retarded.

And those of you that like dialogue in MMOGs... get better taste. You can buy it for free at a library.
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Reply #213 on: November 05, 2007, 03:30:08 AM

Lets put it this way. A single player game with that setting could have been quite kickass.
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Reply #214 on: November 05, 2007, 03:35:29 AM

Lets put it this way. A single player game with that setting could have been quite kickass.

But it isn't. I'm sure we'll get that eventually.
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Reply #215 on: November 05, 2007, 11:14:57 AM

Since when is complaining about Dialogue worthwhile?

I have yet to care about the writing in any MMOG. ANY.

All they have to be is:
"blah blah blah blah location blah blah blah number blah blah blah monster." In fact, I wish every single MMOG would adopt the following: "X Y Z." X being action (kill, escort blah), Y being character/number of character, etc), and Z being location.

Then I wouldn't have to waste time clicking. But seriously. Complaining about dialogue

PLEASE COMPLAIN ABOUT SOMETHING WORTHWHILE OR GO PLAY AN ACTUAL SINGLE PLAYER GAME THAT WAS MADE FOR DIALOGUE. I'm not even defending hellgate here. It's just fucking common sense. It's like caring about the dialogue in Counterstrike or Street Fighter. Jesus. Just retarded.

And those of you that like dialogue in MMOGs... get better taste. You can buy it for free at a library.

That's  awesome, for real.  Do you trash anyone that thinks differently from you, or is it because they say so on your forum, even if they aren't directly engaging you and challenging your view?  Sorry if the answer is obvious from your post history, but I'll ask you instead of doing my research since time is something I lack right now.

I pay attention to stuff that stands out.  I do have an appreciation for writing and lore in games, because that's what I want to get myself into one day, but Hellgate's attempt at it is piss-poor.  They have a pretty serious real-life setting that they try to inject Warcraft-style humor into that just does not mesh well.  A little humor here and there is good, but it seems like they don't want you to take this game's background seriously at all.  How am I when I've got people who treat the loss of their loved ones as comedy rather than tragedy (Rob Someone for example) or when I'm constantly looking for that next pop culture reference I know is going to appear? The only thing genuinely funny and well-written was the Act 2 storyline with the face-fucking demon, but part of me wishes that was a part of another game, like an M-Rated Tim Schafer jaunt.

Less trolling, more "Alright, if that's the way you feel."

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Reply #216 on: November 05, 2007, 11:24:43 AM

My mistake, I should've been more clear.

Stop looking for diamonds in a box labeled paperclips.

You're looking for good writing in a genre that traditionally is just caked with shit since these games aren't about the story. Honestly, I think anyone that goes into playing a persistant online game built to handle a large number of players and expect good story at the same time is just deluded and wrong. It's not about your OPINION. Or thinking Differently from  you. It's a matter of being grounded in reality And the reality was stated in the first sentence of this paragraph.

You want writing? Go play a game that caters to that particular aspect.

Basically, you might as well be complaining that your pepperoni pizza doesn't taste like apple pie.
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Reply #217 on: November 05, 2007, 11:37:56 AM

Since when is complaining about Dialogue worthwhile?

I have yet to care about the writing in any MMOG. ANY.

All they have to be is:
"blah blah blah blah location blah blah blah number blah blah blah monster." In fact, I wish every single MMOG would adopt the following: "X Y Z." X being action (kill, escort blah), Y being character/number of character, etc), and Z being location.

Then I wouldn't have to waste time clicking. But seriously. Complaining about dialogue

PLEASE COMPLAIN ABOUT SOMETHING WORTHWHILE OR GO PLAY AN ACTUAL SINGLE PLAYER GAME THAT WAS MADE FOR DIALOGUE. I'm not even defending hellgate here. It's just fucking common sense. It's like caring about the dialogue in Counterstrike or Street Fighter. Jesus. Just retarded.

And those of you that like dialogue in MMOGs... get better taste. You can buy it for free at a library.
We had an option for more or less dialog a looooong time ago.

>verbose

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I had one guy in my WoW guild that read every fucking book he found.  You can't be in the world in the library, and some people's imagination isn't as developed as other's.  More power too him, I guess.  Not me though.  I find I pick up enough of the important shit along the way.  I don't read quests at all until I'm stuck and absolutely have to.

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Reply #218 on: November 05, 2007, 11:44:19 AM

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Dude, people are allowed to be pissed off at bad writing and poor use of setting no matter the genre.  Especially a "MMO" that felt like it was just supposed to be a single player game once upon a time.  Terrible writing is terrible writing no matter what standards the genre has (even if the game only belongs loosely).  Things that stand out tend to resonate with people that are already leaning toward not liking a game.  If I game you don't particularly like happens to have piss poor graphics, the thing that you're always going to remember is that.

You're getting a little PSP-y with this title and to be honest, it's personally kind of scaring me away from the title.  I can appreciate someone finding a game they love, but it gets a spooky when it's in defiance (and out right dismissal) of a lot of negative criticism.

Although personally, for the issue at hand, I don't think I'd notice anything outside of the main story line.  Too many quests.  I tried to read all of the quests in WoW for a while and follow the lore, but I generally tended to turn on fast quest text soon after and just click through so I could get to my exp and loots faster.  I'm still at a loss at how to view this game though, Diablo 2 Clone with lobby or MMO Diablo 2 clone?   undecided

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Reply #219 on: November 05, 2007, 12:04:14 PM

People are allowed to be pissed off, sure. But it's just so goddamn silly. Find faults where there are absolute failures. i still bitch and moan about the animations on melee. It's mostly total dreck. With the writing, it's pretty goddamn apparent that there are some decent writers there and some really shitty ones that phone it in. The ending movie, for example, is pretty damn awesome. I found the writing in the cut scenes just fine in fact. Particularly after the ending of the game.

In other words, bitch where the game actually tried and failed. This thing was never propped up as being a revelation in game writing and it's pretty apparent that 99.9% of the writing in the game could be replaced with a picture of what you have to kill and the name of where it is. Which is cool. I don't have to read the writing because they so nicely put a big bold thing on the screen every time I accept a quest.
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Reply #220 on: November 05, 2007, 12:11:14 PM

I could just quote what I wrote above as a response here.  Then you could do the same. swamp poop Things don't have to be absolute failures to be bitchworthy and not trying and failing is still failing.

Sound like you play this like a MMO.  What the hell happened to the big teeth smiley?

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Reply #221 on: November 05, 2007, 12:13:05 PM

Actually, I treat it like an MMOG due to the fact that at its core, that's what it really badly wants to be. And eventually it will be a full-fledged completely fleshed out one.

Right now it's Diablo 2.995 with a whole lot of lobbies. It's so close to be Diablo 3 I can taste it. It just needs some asshole old man telling me to stay a while.

And listen.
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Reply #222 on: November 05, 2007, 12:20:02 PM

Actually, I treat it like an MMOG due to the fact that at its core, that's what it really badly wants to be. And eventually it will be a full-fledged completely fleshed out one.

Right now it's Diablo 2.995 with a whole lot of lobbies. It's so close to be Diablo 3 I can taste it. It just needs some asshole old man telling me to stay a while.

And listen.

I can't wait until another game following the Diablo formula comes along and does it right, bitch-slaping Hellgate in the process.  It'll be worth it to see schild's head explode.

BTW, asking whether this game is an MMO or not is like asking if waterboarding is torture or not.  The answer is obvious but because people think differently there has to be discussion.

OH NOES POLITICS IN MY MMO THREAD.

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Reply #223 on: November 05, 2007, 12:21:45 PM

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but here are some other companies "they" provide billing services for:

... Flying Lab Software,

Which apparently went so well that FLS went with SONY ONLINE ENTERTAINMENT to handle the billing for PotBS. That can't be a ringing endorsement.

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Reply #224 on: November 05, 2007, 12:28:44 PM

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I can't wait until another game following the Diablo formula comes along and does it right, bitch-slaping Hellgate in the process.  It'll be worth it to see schild's head explode.
I would love a string of games that out diablo'd diablo. I want one set in the old west. I want one set across multiple planets. I want one set entirely underwater. Too bad, since Diablo 2 came out, only 2 games got it right - Titan Quest (and only after the expansion really.. :( ) and Fate. And FSS swallowed up the Fate guys. So, what you'll see my head exploding into fucking rainbows and awesome.

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BTW, asking whether this game is an MMO or not is like asking if waterboarding is torture or not.

Not really. In fact, not at all. Considering it comes with a complete version of the game in single player form.

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OH NOES POLITICS IN MY MMO THREAD.

I don't understand the point of this comment. Perhaps you confused this with Eve.
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Reply #225 on: November 05, 2007, 01:43:11 PM

I'll agree, it has mediocre writting for the quests, the plot isn't that great. But, the shiney loot is splenda. The artwork is a bit...repetitive, but they have promised to add some new tilesets.  I think it was Schild that said it's City of Heroes/Villians combat done right. I think that nails it pretty good.

Tiberious and Stewart are by far the best NPC's. (Captain Kirk and Captian Picard in case you didn't make the connection).

Once you complete the game come back and say the whole experience is bad.  Schild and I grouped for the boss fight last night (Holy shit is all I can say!)

The Necropolis makes no sense, but once you get there the game turns into a thing of beauty...

It is by no means perfect right now. It has some serious flaws, but if they keep adding and tweaking it. I can see it getting 3 years of random play from me. Knowing they are not going to do the D2 delete characters after 3 months thing is a serious bonus in my mind to keeping people playing.

What I would like to see added... More graphic variation in areas. Respecing for a price. Easier time grouping. UI/Chat fix. Guildmanagement. Shared Bank Vaults with access levels.

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Reply #226 on: November 05, 2007, 01:47:30 PM

Can i subscribe to this yet? i finally got my box (which was actually sitting in my mailbox since saturday afternoon :P ) and i would like too get some of those flamey arm things.

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Reply #227 on: November 05, 2007, 02:20:48 PM

Knowing they are not going to do the D2 delete characters after 3 months thing is a serious bonus in my mind to keeping people playing.
Eh?  I didn't know that, how does it work?  Is that three months not logging in to a character or three months not subscribing?  I'm pretty sure I hate the idea.
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Reply #228 on: November 05, 2007, 02:39:25 PM

Tiberious and Stewart are by far the best NPC's. (Captain Kirk and Captian Picard in case you didn't make the connection).

Tiberius was too obvious to miss, but I didn't realize Stewart was Picard.  There wasn't anything memorable about Stewart to me.

I just found out that all the Halloween goodies can only be used if you're subscribed after this patch.  Flagship just sunk to new levels of fail.

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Reply #229 on: November 05, 2007, 02:40:55 PM

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I just found out that all the Halloween goodies can only be used if you're subscribed after this patch.  Flagship just sunk to new levels of fail.

Are free members entitled to them?

Edit: Just saying, taste but don't touch.
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Reply #230 on: November 05, 2007, 02:51:49 PM

When subs were down they opted to give everyone access to the content (the first mini-patch) rather than just leave it borked, and now it's back to normal. They really, really need to get some in-game news shit going on.

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Reply #231 on: November 05, 2007, 03:33:11 PM

So my two questions that must be answered yes before I'll shell out anymore money for a sub:

1)Subcribers have a "Shared" locker that all the characters can access
2)They've fixed the British Museum portal to be there so I don't have to start from scratch with 3 characters

Anyone?

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Reply #232 on: November 05, 2007, 03:51:52 PM

Yes to Threash and although the bigger stashes are in, you can't share yet.  I'm wishing for Guild storage or something.  WISH!  Someone else take the British Museum question because I don't seem to know the answer.   undecided

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Reply #233 on: November 05, 2007, 03:54:45 PM

I don't know what the british museum portal problem is?
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Reply #234 on: November 05, 2007, 04:01:09 PM

Yes to Threash and although the bigger stashes are in, you can't share yet.  I'm wishing for Guild storage or something.  WISH!  Someone else take the British Museum question because I don't seem to know the answer.   undecided

IMO, the bank should be split, where you can have a 6x6 area for shared storage (moving stuff back and forth), and a 6x6 space for guild storage (per everyone in the guild).  Then, there's a guild rep NPC that lets you browse what's available and see who took what from your guild storage.

But alas.
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Reply #235 on: November 05, 2007, 04:05:50 PM

All portals associated with the British Museum appeared to be in good working order yesterday. Though I don't know what problem you are talking about.

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Reply #236 on: November 05, 2007, 04:07:53 PM

I want to find the person responsible for the UI and skullfuck them with a corker.

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Reply #237 on: November 05, 2007, 04:47:36 PM

I want to find the person responsible for the UI and skullfuck them with a corker.

I agree completely. Especially the chat interface. DEAR GOD. I run 1900x1200 and the chat window still takes up like 1/5th of my screen. You can pretty much only play with it closed, and because it that it makes the world feel even more lonely. Hell, the chat they had in beta was better than the one they "refined" for release. Total shit. I have resorted to /invite to get people attention since 90% play with chat closed.
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Reply #238 on: November 05, 2007, 05:01:37 PM

I have resorted to /invite to get people attention since 90% play with chat closed.

qft.

And blind invites make me feel dirty, make baby jesus cry, no, they make baby robot jesus cry, and kill kittens.

Fucking developers, they never think of the kittens.

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Reply #239 on: November 05, 2007, 05:31:00 PM

Fucking developers, they never think of the kittens.

I'm sure some of them think about breaking little kittens neck's or lighting kittens on fire. (Note - this says nothing about any developers that frequent here... (Or Signe, I'm sure Signe has no evil plans for her kittens. None at all....)

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Reply #240 on: November 05, 2007, 06:29:44 PM

I love my kittens.  They are my life.  Having said that, the exploding cat video was always one of my favourites.

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Reply #241 on: November 05, 2007, 07:00:12 PM

When subs were down they opted to give everyone access to the content (the first mini-patch) rather than just leave it borked, and now it's back to normal. They really, really need to get some in-game news shit going on.

New patch is making the Halloween stuff non-subscriber content.

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Reply #242 on: November 05, 2007, 09:17:50 PM

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Reply #243 on: November 06, 2007, 02:16:03 PM

Don't know if it's because populations are increasing, but I'm starting to get terrible lag issues.

Items that take several seconds to pick up, and damage not registering for similar periods etc.

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Reply #244 on: November 06, 2007, 02:48:16 PM

Just lost armor and items out of my inventory.  Up to now I've been pretty forgiving but this is getting more bush league every day.
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