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Title: Vanguard, showing screenies
Post by: HRose on April 08, 2004, 12:42:30 PM
http://www.okratas.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=173&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

For now they look like a new tweak of the SWG engine.
EQ2 style, but more inspired.

P.S.
The last one seems *exactly* a render of DAoC's hibernia.


Title: Re: Vanguard, showing screenies
Post by: Mesozoic on April 08, 2004, 12:44:07 PM
Quote from: HRose
EQ2 style, but more inspired.


Thats like saying something smells better than shit.


Title: Vanguard, showing screenies
Post by: esad on April 08, 2004, 01:28:03 PM
One name:

Brad McQuaid

After dealing with his bullshit and lies with EQ many years ago, I'll never trust that man to be intelligent or competent. The only thing that can come from shit is more shit.

Fooled me once, shame on you. Fooled me twice, shame on me.

PS: Yes I have a history with Brad. Including him directly lying to me to cover his ass.


Title: Vanguard, showing screenies
Post by: Alluvian on April 08, 2004, 01:36:27 PM
Looks nice.  Too early to say anything else.  Some of them were so dark I am surprised they released them.  Nothing new.  Game in development looks pretty, film at 11.  This isn't a knock against you Hrose, I appreciate the link.

esad, get some help.  There are doctors that can help explain why the bad man touched you there.  You have to move on with your life.


Title: Vanguard, showing screenies
Post by: schild on April 08, 2004, 01:42:43 PM
Fuck Brad, I'm a superhero now. Biatch.


Title: Vanguard, showing screenies
Post by: HaemishM on April 08, 2004, 02:03:20 PM
Fuck Brad twice. Bitch fell ass backwards into crack of the month addict-makers game design and suddenly thinks he's Richard Fucking Garriot. Hell, Richard Garriot ain't even anymore.


Title: Vanguard, showing screenies
Post by: Alluvian on April 08, 2004, 02:40:51 PM
We all agree Brad aint richard gariot.  And richard probably isn't richard gariot anymore unless tabula rosa kicks total ass (low odds on any mmog being that good), so who IS the modern richard gariot?

Warren spectre is busy fucking up classics (well, maybe t3 wont suck, but it also won't fully account for the shit that was DX:IW).

Molyneux is either making a bunch of great games or will turn out to be higher than a kite.  He will have to get 3 out of 4 to really get back as a game making god after black and white for me.  Black and white was pretty, but everything about the game itself pretty much sucked.

Is there a name somewhere in Bioware we should be celebrating?  They have been pretty golden for awhile.


Title: Vanguard, showing screenies
Post by: Jon Carver on April 08, 2004, 03:41:45 PM
Quote from: Alluvian


Is there a name somewhere in Bioware we should be celebrating?  They have been pretty golden for awhile.


With modern games being such massive efforts, should any name at all be celebrated?


Title: Vanguard, showing screenies
Post by: schild on April 08, 2004, 03:44:10 PM
Quote from: Jon Carver
Quote from: Alluvian


Is there a name somewhere in Bioware we should be celebrating?  They have been pretty golden for awhile.


With modern games being such massive efforts, should any name at all be celebrated?


With modern movies being such massive efforts should any name at all be celebrated? Next time you're waiting in line for a McG flick while I'm in line for a Kaufman/Cohen Brothers/whoever flick, ask me that question again. There's a good chance I'll point at laugh at you though.


Title: Vanguard, showing screenies
Post by: Rasix on April 08, 2004, 03:56:08 PM
Quote from: Alluvian

Is there a name somewhere in Bioware we should be celebrating?  They have been pretty golden for awhile.


I don't know if figureheads are something we should celebrate, but I'm sure the guidance of their two CEOs, Drs. Greg Zeschuk & Ray Muzyka (also the founders), has led the company to one great game after another.


Title: Vanguard, showing screenies
Post by: Alluvian on April 08, 2004, 03:57:48 PM
Quote from: Jon Carver
Quote from: Alluvian


Is there a name somewhere in Bioware we should be celebrating?  They have been pretty golden for awhile.


With modern games being such massive efforts, should any name at all be celebrated?


Because I believe the end product is FAR more than the sum of it's parts.
Because cohesion and internal consistency do not come from massive efforts without the direct attention of a few at the top.

Both of those are true of movies and games, as pointed out by Schild.

A great leader does not assure success of course.  Everyone will have projects they just can't save or ideas that just didn't work out in the end.

I touched on it abit when I discussed Molyneux.  What ratio of good to bad do you need to be considered great?  When you let out a shitter, how many greats do you need to climb back up on top?


Title: Vanguard, showing screenies
Post by: Liquidator on April 09, 2004, 04:00:00 AM
Quote from: Jon Carver
With modern games being such massive efforts, should any name at all be celebrated?


Sid Meier.

-Liquidator


Title: Vanguard, showing screenies
Post by: Jon Carver on April 09, 2004, 09:17:22 AM
Quote from: schild

With modern movies being such massive efforts should any name at all be celebrated? Next time you're waiting in line for a McG flick while I'm in line for a Kaufman/Cohen Brothers/whoever flick, ask me that question again. There's a good chance I'll point at laugh at you though.


I never watch a movie (or play a game or anything else) because of who made it.  I make my decisions based on the merits of the product, not the merits of the maker.  I guess that makes me less of a fanboi than you.


Title: Vanguard, showing screenies
Post by: Alluvian on April 09, 2004, 09:25:15 AM
Um... but you haven't seen a movie till you seen a movie.  You can't choose movies based on merit because you haven't seen them.  At best you can go by reviews, but by your logic I guess that would make you a critic fanboy.


Title: Vanguard, showing screenies
Post by: kaid on April 09, 2004, 10:28:22 AM
Well the screens look about what I would expect. It has top of the line swg/eq2 style more realistic graphics. Since the game won't be out for at least a couple years it darn well better look freaking pretty now or it will be ooogly by the time its released.

While it looks nice so did horizons first screen shots when they were first made so it all is pretty meaningless at this time.

It is a long way off and while I am deffinatly keeping an eye for info and am glad you posted the screens it is just way to early to pin any hopes on it good or bad.


kaid


Title: Vanguard, showing screenies
Post by: Rodent on April 09, 2004, 11:23:46 AM
Quote from: Jon Carver
With modern games being such massive efforts, should any name at all be celebrated?


John Carmack has been pretty solid so far.


Title: Vanguard, showing screenies
Post by: Ballast on April 09, 2004, 11:48:33 AM
Oh ffs... ad hominem attacks on Brad McQuaid are rather silly in the context of Vanguard, don't you think?

While he arguably lucked into the success of Everquest, then pissed his reputation away by being a total cockmonger, the ideas for Everquest and its eventual implementation had to come from somewhere. Even if this wasn't solely McQuaid, the team he's assembled at Sigil for the Vanguard project has pooled a good portion of the talent from Verant.

In any case, if Vanguard sucks, it will suck on its own merit, or lack thereof. If you want to fling shit at McQuaid, great. Mixing the two subjects doesn't really help the cause.

... and to get back on topic:

Yay... screenshots... environmental screenshots... /sigh

Show me a UI. Show me some AI. Show me something with some meat to it, not more static bullshit.


Title: Vanguard, showing screenies
Post by: El Gallo on April 09, 2004, 02:26:07 PM
Civ3, being rushed out way before it was ready, took a bit of the shine from Sid's name for me.  Still, reskins of his 10+ year old idea are about 30x better than any game anyone else has thought of, so I will still willingly kiss his feet.


Title: Vanguard, showing screenies
Post by: Signe on April 11, 2004, 07:18:07 PM
Quote from: Liquidator
Quote from: Jon Carver
With modern games being such massive efforts, should any name at all be celebrated?


Sid Meier.

-Liquidator


Absolutely.  Can't wait to get a gander at his Pirates remake.  

About Richard Garriott... I think he'll be making a bit of a come back soon-ish as... well, Richard Garriott.  I think calling his newest venture Tabula Rasa is inspired and shows that HE even knew he had lost his mind.  It's not a bad thing.