War

[Comstar]

In comedy news, one of the IAC corps (The Nest, wich ex-IAC check Diplomat Kaylana Si) was leaving the alliance when  Kaylana said in local "friendly cyno". 5 minutes later Outbreak opened a cyno for BoB who DD'd a IAC fleet that was camping Outbreak.

Much disgust from the rank and file of IAC, and the Nest got completely kicked out an hour later (though IAC leader Tyraxx let them leave without shooting or hard feelings).


And we all found out outbreak can call in a BoB titan if they look like they might get blobbed. Looks like they won't need to build one for pirating, they can call in BoB when needed.

[Nevermore]

Hasn't Outbreak been helping Ushra'Khan against CVA?  Could it have been the Evoke Titan's DD?

[Comstar]

AFIAK UK has never raided Catch (least I've never seen them), and I'm pretty sure Orange Species was the pilot. It was not the ex-D2 Titan.

[MahrinSkel]

It was Orange Species, and he'll pretty much go anywhere he can get killmail spam.  Hope he's getting frequent flyer miles, he's been bouncing all over the map since he got that thing.

In other news: Janus Drake tells ISD "Losing the war? What war?"  The Iraqi Information Minister was not available for comment.

--Dave

[Simond]

Orange Species will be the first player to lose a titan in combat, once the changes go live. He's also providing more fuel to the fire as to why titans need to be fixed. There was a pretty good summary made elsewhere about fighting BoB specifically, but it'll apply to all fleet combat sooner or later until CCP patches; paraphrased, it's something like "If you can't fly a capital ship, fly a frigate, interceptor, or interdictor. Anything else is a waste"

Speaking of D2's interview, their answers make more sense when you consider that their thought process was "ISD = CCP = BoB, so we're not going to give them a straight answer". Can't say that I blame them personally, with the bias that ISD have shown historically.

[LC]

Next drama fix: IRC (Interstellar Crossing? Something like that) apparently had three freighters ganked out from under them by BoB while fleeing...allegedly after bribing BoB with  a bunch of large towers in exchange for free passage out of Omist.

Personally, I'm somewhat skeptical - making deals for safe passage then breaking them without provocation is a quick way to make all your enemies fight to the last.

Edit : Intrepid Crossing, not Interstellar Crossing.

Are you trying to say BoB were the deal breakers? You are incorrect in that assumption.

[Simond]

Yeah, that's about what I thought - hence the 'skeptical' part.

[LC]

Yeah, that's about what I thought - hence the 'skeptical' part.

My understanding is that they were supposed to leave 0.0 completely. Instead of leaving they got caught moving in with the goons. So they paid a high price for abusing BoB's kindness pity.

[LC]

BoB and RISE destroyed a SERIOUS BUSINESS+RA fleet in 5XR last night.

A goon math wizard demonstrates his ability in local.

The RA reinforcements came in after i took those screenshots.

Battle Highlights:
- 100+ Goon and RA ships destroyed.
- Only 11 losses for our side. (BoB and RISE combined)
- I crashed and lost my gang bonus
- Only one person locked me.
- No capital ships were involved.
- Goons were using Serious Business ships.

[Simond]

You do know that a SERIOUS BUSINESS fitting essentially just means "Must have a MWD", right?

Besides, like I said a few posts up, I'm beginning to agree with Hydrosan (someone shoot me) - either you're flying a capship, or you're flying a frig/inty/'dictor, or you might as well not show up.

The future of EVE combat, folks, brought to you by CCP's favourite alliance.

[dwindlehop]

Well, the POS structure that prevents cynos will make it impossible to bring the cap ships in...

[Yoru]

Rumor has it that D2 has completely collapsed, is retreating to NPC/empire and may fully dissolve.

True?

[Merusk]

Besides, like I said a few posts up, I'm beginning to agree with Hydrosan (someone shoot me) - either you're flying a capship, or you're flying a frig/inty/'dictor, or you might as well not show up.

Fuck, I haven't played since last July or August and I could have told you that.  It's part of the reason I stopped playing, none of the ships I liked/ could afford to fly were worthwhile.

[MahrinSkel]

Well, there's a reason I went straight from BC's to Carriers/Dreads.  I have BS 5 on both characters, and I've never owned a BS (well, except as a commodity for resale).  At 75M fitted, a BC is disposable to me, at 200 a BS is not.  Although BS's are much cheaper to fit now that Invention has restored sanity to the T2 market.

--Dave

[Ratadm]

T2 sniper isn't that bad now that 1400's are like 5mil instead of 14mil.  I know I've got a pest fitted and ready to go along with the fittings for 2 others if I ever get some decent playing time.  Although a hurricane is a lot cheaper obviously.

[Simond]

T2 sniper isn't that bad now that 1400's are like 5mil instead of 14mil.  I know I've got a pest fitted and ready to go along with the fittings for 2 others if I ever get some decent playing time.  Although a hurricane is a lot cheaper obviously.

A cyno frigate is even cheaper, and will wreck a sniper fleet.

[Comstar]

News from the IAC/FIX front.

With our outposts now 3 jumps apart, combat is much more commen now.

An IAC carrier was doing something (syupid?) at the catch border gate and FIX attacked it. Call went out and there was a distressingly lack of FC"s getting any X's up. So I volunteered (always thought those 3 levels of Fleet command would do something one day) and just told everyone GET TO THE GATE. I should have said "GET TO THE CHOPPER" but I didn't think of that till afterwards.

No focued fire (there was a 2nd gang that was doing that), in true disorgainzed colation style we attacked and won the field. I got 2 (!) kill mails in my wolf (which I lost at the tail end of the fight). I think they lost 12, we lost 8, and they lost more money. But it was all very confusing and quite fun, lasted about 20 minutes in total. We saved the CV and held the field.

A good fight. Now as long as don't start attacking POS's or calling in each other allies Titan's, fighting between FIX and IAC looks like it might bring some fun into the game.

[MahrinSkel]

I expect that long-term we're going to be skirmishing across the 49-U/4-07 line for forever.  It's unworkable for either of us to take and hold the territory on the other side of it.  And as long as nobody rolls out the dreads and POS, it can just be pew-pew.

--Dave

[Simond]

New Goon plan: Retreat to Scalding Pass, kill the FTZ, go back to blowing stuff up instead of trying to improve the game by introducing pubbies to 0.0. I almost feel sorry for whoever BoB decides to place in Detorid & Omist - especially Omist.

It all becomes moot when Rev 2 goes live anyway - territorial warfare is going to come to a screeching halt for all sides with the changes in that patch.

I'm training up for stealth bombers (and, eventually, recons) myself.
*cues up chiptune version of 'Das Boot' theme*

[gimpyone]

I wish I had the time for 0.0.  I can pretty much fly anything minmatar, so I'd be an asset to some corp but the time requirements for pvp are just too intensive.

[MahrinSkel]

You can always join a carebear renter corp.  I have a sneaking suspicion there will be openings in Querious soon, at very reasonable rates (like, if all you want is mining rights, free).  And most 0.0 corps have industrial operations that don't participate much, if at all, in the PvP (but you've got to be hardcore in a different way to pull your weight in those).

--Dave

[Simond]

Incidentally, the EVE-O forum gag just got lifted.
Cry havoc, etc.

[Comstar]

severel threads, this is one of them, BOB lost a Mothership to a RA logonski attack at a BoB owned but ran-by-RA complex. It was an alt of DB Preacher, one of the most...despised/hated BoB posters.

 Rumors circulate it died the same way the IAC Mothershiop died, seeing itself at a POS taking damage due to lag (the IAC MS did not get reinbursed. If CCP is stupid enough to reinburse the BoB MS for the same reason expect a dramabomb bigger than last week, so I can't imagine CCP would be that insane).

Goon/RA Morale up +1.


In unrelated news, Sir Molle asks if anyone wants to have goons as neighbours.

[Simond]

Remember when I said that Omist was a massive PITA to own due to the moon count?
Yeah. 

[Simond]

The sound of inevitability

From today, Dusk and Dawn [D2] is no longer an operative entity...

[Fordel]

So whose left out of the 'real' alliances?

[Yoru]

So whose left out of the 'real' alliances?

BoB side:
 * BoB
 * MC
 * FIX
 * YouWhat
 * RISE
 * Xelas
 * lots of smaller alliances?

RAGOON:
 * RA
 * AAA
 * Goonswarm
 * TCF
 * IAC
 * KOS
 * Imperium something? I forget their exact name.

The North:
 * Morsus Mihi
 * RAZOR
 * - I don't know the north so well.

I may be missing a few, but those are the major players that I can recall.

[gimpyone]

I'm torn cause I like FIX but I really really want BoB to lose.

[Fordel]

The North seems rightly boned now.

[MahrinSkel]

Pure is also in the north.  That's pretty much the list, the non-territorial alliances that used to live up there have mostly wandered off by now, or cut their own deals.  Triumvirate has been pursuing a separate war against those three for the last month, how this will affect that, I don't know (Tri is not formally allied with BoB, MC and company have been careful to stay in a seperate theatre).  MC will do what the contractor (BoB) asks them to do, but most of the others that have been with them up until now would be uncomfortable in the same gangs with Tri (who started the war on the Coalition side attacking the south).  Possibly MC will add their weight behind Triumvirate, possibly they'll be recalled to the south to open a second axis of advance, possibly they'll do something else (very unlikely that BoB will simply have them join up with their own forces).

There's also the question of Fatal and Iron in the new regions (I believe Fatal has been sticking it out expecting to get BoB backing to return to the drone regions, and Iron has recently moved there).

One thing is for certain, for practical purposes the war in the north is over, even if Pure/Razor/Morus Mihi survive, they won't be looking to head south again for at least a year.

--Dave

[5150]

While I personally never liked D2 I like BOB even less and a 1 horse [dev] race cannot be a good thing for Eve

One wonders what will happen when the Devs err I mean BOB post on the forums that they won Eve?.........

[Ratadm]

 Once BoB are happy with their progress/achievements against Goons/RA i suspect they set a lot of their current allies neutral and start shooting them for target practice.

[MahrinSkel]

I'm not sure they've ever set the guys in the north to blue, actually.

--Dave

[Simond]

What, you think RISE, youwhat, GONAD et al. would even try to fight back against BoB, MC + friends?

They'll whine about how unfair it all is, how they never saw it coming, complain about how nobody is helping them, and then they'll run back to NPC space or empire.

If BoB wants a real fight after the Redswarm conflict grinds into a messy stalemate and they then claim 'mission accomplished', they'll have to declare against one of their longer-standing pets or hire MC against themselves, or something equally stupid.

[Fordel]

If BoB beats RedSwarm, the only real fight left for BoB would be with itself. None of the pets would be able to stand up to BoB and the MC is just to small in numbers to fight BoB and win.


Outside of some mythical "Let us gather every non-BoB capital pilot in EVE and somehow form a super alliance in secret based out of empire" BoB really will "win" EVE if Russians+Goons+Friends are defeated.


They will simply be to far ahead of everyone else, could make the argument they already are to far ahead of everyone else, probably a topic for another thread.