War

[slog]

To the assorted GS people here though... doesn't this feel like a hollow victory? I mean, it's been pretty clear for a while now, even to a total outsider like me, that BoB were a dying entity and that GS were the superior military force. BoB had lost pretty much all respect from the EVE community a very long time ago and their eventual military defeat and humiliation was something that a lot of people were looking forward to seeing.

I think this will be far more entertaining -- big expanses of 0.0 with no sov?  Tons of corps and alliances interested in grabbing some space.  Those who don't give up and go home possibly reforming for revenge?  I predict all sorts of fun.  Damn.  Need more time for spaceship games.

Similar stuff used to happen in Shadowbane.  These games are designed so it's close to impossible to win on purpose.

[Fordel]

So when is downtime? Has Sov flipped/popped?


-edit-

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/changes/2009-02-05

Yes, yes it seemingly has!

[Endie]

So when is downtime? Has Sov flipped/popped?

Yes.  Bob lost all 119 systems at downtime.  Cyno jammers, jump bridges, sov 4 systems, unattackable stations: the lot.  Jump Freighters are pretty much pouring out at the moment, Sesfan is liberated from his prison in QY6...  What more could we ask for?

Band of Brothers is dead.

The unstronted POS with a Capital Ship Assembly Array we found in a formerly sov 4 system looks like being the next victim...

[Fordel]

Man, that is glorious. I assume it's a total clusterfuck with everyone piling in?

[Bismallah]

Holy fuck.

Good riddance. They fucked up Hydra good back in the day and we are still having a damn hard time getting 0.0 access back, sigh.

(shameless plug, NTZE is looking for a home!)

[bhodi]

BOOM, Headshot.

Hrm, I still have a lot of shit in QY6 too....

[Arthur_Parker]

When you reflect back on it all.  It's been amazing what they planned at that BBQ.

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/influence.png

[Nevermore]

I can think of no more appropriate way for BoB to die.  What goes around, comes around.

Edit: inserted vital missing word

[Endie]

Man, that is glorious. I assume it's a total clusterfuck with everyone piling in?

That'll come tonight.  Should be a hot weekend, and you'd expect some of Bob's less worthless members to try some sort of stand: 119 systems is a pretty impractical number to take quickly, after all.  It's funny that Bob need Exe and Atlas (not as useless) to come and save them.  Maybe they'll even let the better PvPers and titan pilots join!

Anyway, that's the first cap ship factory pos popped.  Will the others have stront yet?  Time to find out!

[slog]

Man, that is glorious. I assume it's a total clusterfuck with everyone piling in?

That'll come tonight.  Should be a hot weekend, and you'd expect some of Bob's less worthless members to try some sort of stand: 119 systems is a pretty impractical number to take quickly, after all.  It's funny that Bob need Exe and Atlas (not as useless) to come and save them.  Maybe they'll even let the better PvPers and titan pilots join!

Anyway, that's the first cap ship factory pos popped.  Will the others have stront yet?  Time to find out!

Pure Speculation:  Will the Pets rally to Bob's cause? 5 Weeks to get Sov 4 back is a long time.

[Fordel]

Does BoB have a new alliance ticker yet? Or would that still need more time to register?

[Yoru]

To the assorted GS people here though... doesn't this feel like a hollow victory? I mean, it's been pretty clear for a while now, even to a total outsider like me, that BoB were a dying entity and that GS were the superior military force. BoB had lost pretty much all respect from the EVE community a very long time ago and their eventual military defeat and humiliation was something that a lot of people were looking forward to seeing.

I think this will be far more entertaining -- big expanses of 0.0 with no sov?  Tons of corps and alliances interested in grabbing some space.  Those who don't give up and go home possibly reforming for revenge?  I predict all sorts of fun.  Damn.  Need more time for spaceship games.

Someone needs to start playing songs from Oklahoma! over Teamspeak for operations into Delve.

[Fordel]

EVE Influence map updated: Special Edition to include all the sov changes 

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/20090205SE.png

[slog]

EVE Influence map updated: Special Edition to include all the sov changes 

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/20090205SE.png

Can you post this on imageshack?  It's blocked at work.

[Endie]

Does BoB have a new alliance ticker yet? Or would that still need more time to register?

It takes 24 hours to create a new alliance.  Presuming that they already had one set up by downtime then their corpse - sorry, corps - can get into it by downtime tomorrow, and sov will start to claim after downtime Friday.

At that point they will start getting sov one in a week, but they don't get sov three and all that neat jammer/JB/building caps stuff until mid-March, while sov four would only be possible (I think) in May.

Pure Speculation:  Will the Pets rally to Bob's cause? 5 Weeks to get Sov 4 back is a long time.

Sov four takes a looong time to get back.  Bob will only be able to defend Delve if they have the morale to get into the NPC stations and fight back.  Their morale has been awful recently (and I bet we see that when the forums start to become more widely available) but maybe this will give them a rallying cry vOv

The pets - apart from Exe and Atlas, the latter of whom could fairly claim not to be a pet per se - are pretty awful, though.  See Fountain for details.  what Bob need is AAA, and if they start bouncing between Delve and Impass to defend then they could end up suffering like Bob did two years ago.  They'd be better off hunkering down behind cyno jammers with 13 titans and skimming off the remaining decent Bob pilots.

[bhodi]

Can you post this on imageshack?  It's blocked at work.

http://www.filedump.net/dumped/20090205se1233845305.png

[Pax]

EVE Influence map updated: Special Edition to include all the sov changes 

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/20090205SE.png

This is pretty beautiful and might become the new desktop background to many (not me). 

[Arthur_Parker]

Just cross posting from gs forums.

Calling the GBC Greater ___ Community in chats makes them pretty angry

[slog]

Had BoB made any kind of official statement?

[Fordel]

Nothing yet, I assume they are waiting for a new alliance ticker to kick in and CAOD it in grand fashion somehow.

[Nevermore]

There are no goons is no bob.

No.


And this is as personal as it will ever get.

Goodbye.

[Arthur_Parker]

linky

Well that sure made for interesting reading! Good to see BoB still creating content for eve. I won't go into the ins and outs of whether it's right or wrong because it doesn't matter, it's done (providing it wasn't outside of the EULA in which case I pity CCP trying to fix0r it).

When you cut through the chaff it doesn't actually change what bob is only the emphasis on their current war. They will lose their cap yards and a decent amount of pos over this but it's nothing that can't and shouldn't be replaced. Whether you believe it or not, they've lost proportionally similar isk amounts throughout it's history for a variety of reasons. Isk can always be regained if you want it.

With regards the name loss, BoB was never defined by its name, that's why we picked a silly sounding name in the first place. Personally, I would just grab a random new name and get on with restructuring the alliance. The morale blow to the guys on the ground on eve will be interesting but if they are true to what bob is then they will realise it doesn't mean squat.

I think it's as good a time for a clean out as there has been so this gives the current bob leaders a chance for a fresh start and fresh outlook without the stigmatism of history on them. Looking forward to seeing what is born out of this.

Sorta, BoB still pulls the strings, all losses can be replaced, we didn't want that name anyway, ok it's a bit of a morale blow but it's a good excuse to tidy up the alliance new alliance.

[bhodi]

Since it's also CAOD friendly, This is the chatlog of BoB secure IRC as they discovered what happened.

<@LadyScarlet> <cflux> Mako: arkannen? arkanon? hes the internal security guy
...
<@Mako> who is arkannen
<@Mako> some with that name took al the wallet from hat
<@Mako> and left reson
<@LadyScarlet> huh
<@Mako> the mittani says hi
<@LadyScarlet> omg
<@LadyScarlet> you have got to be shitting
<@Dian> rut roh

[kildorn]

Really, it's the appropriate way to die. Not even a spy brought up in your ranks, just backstabbed by a traitor. It's oddly fitting for Eve warfare, the only metagaming that annoys me is offline stuff (hacking into forums, whatnot)

The chat log is priceless, just for the end. "Do we kick the guy who did this from the channel!?", um, Duh?

[Endie]

It's a morale blog but it's fair enough: Bob had become shitty, it had become bloated and a lot of people were leeching.  It is an opportunity for them to say "welp, kinda wanted that region but anyway..." and to focus on the elite-poopsocking, esprit-de-corps thing that they had til 2007.

Whether they will do so is another matter: some people are excited by this sort of fresh start but at least one name i recognise has already jumped ship (to Exe), and there are a lot of people in jump freighters running for Aridia when they should be getting their stuff into an NPC station in Delve.

[Predator Irl]

I don't think a computer game has ever made me so happy, Im speachless!

[Thrawn]

I don't think a computer game has ever made me so happy, Im speachless!

I reaaaallly debated calling in sick today to stay home and shoot stuff in Delve.

[Sir T]

In other news last night we all descended on HED like a swarm of locusts. knocked out the jump bridge and reinforced the tower and reinforced at least 2 towers, both of which were perfectly timed for goon prime.

[Jayce]

I don't think a computer game has ever made me so happy, Im speachless!

I reaaaallly debated calling in sick today to stay home and shoot stuff in Delve.

Same here.

[apocrypha]

http://www.filedump.net/dumped/20090205se1233845305.png

Oh my god. That's hilarious  

[tazelbain]

Jesus. There's no drama like EVE drama.

To the assorted GS people here though... doesn't this feel like a hollow victory? I mean, it's been pretty clear for a while now, even to a total outsider like me, that BoB were a dying entity and that GS were the superior military force. BoB had lost pretty much all respect from the EVE community a very long time ago and their eventual military defeat and humiliation was something that a lot of people were looking forward to seeing.

This just feels like a cheatcode win for GS. This leaves them with the eternal ability to claim that they only lost this war because of this event and not because of their own arrogance, poor tactics, underestimation of the Goons, treating their pets like chattel, etc etc. If this stays then it basically lets them off the hook imo.

Can there even be a military defeat for an entrenched entity like BoB?  I doubt it.  Morale victory is about the only way to do it.  I think we are dealing with the basic limitations of EvE.

[Bismallah]

That is f'ng awesome.

[Pezzle]

My my, this shakes up the situation.  So many interesting possibilities.

[Trippy]

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/

Which Alliance(s) is the Russia one?

[trevorreznik]

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/

Which Alliance(s) is the Russia one?

-a-, ra, rol, xdeathx, solar fleet, se are russian :D

oh hey look -a- is #1 in stations right now because bob lost 33