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Reply #3815 on: February 05, 2009, 05:05:09 AM

To the assorted GS people here though... doesn't this feel like a hollow victory? I mean, it's been pretty clear for a while now, even to a total outsider like me, that BoB were a dying entity and that GS were the superior military force. BoB had lost pretty much all respect from the EVE community a very long time ago and their eventual military defeat and humiliation was something that a lot of people were looking forward to seeing.

I think this will be far more entertaining -- big expanses of 0.0 with no sov?  Tons of corps and alliances interested in grabbing some space.  Those who don't give up and go home possibly reforming for revenge?  I predict all sorts of fun.  Damn.  Need more time for spaceship games.

Similar stuff used to happen in Shadowbane.  These games are designed so it's close to impossible to win on purpose.

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Reply #3816 on: February 05, 2009, 05:35:25 AM

So when is downtime? Has Sov flipped/popped?


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http://evemaps.dotlan.net/changes/2009-02-05

Yes, yes it seemingly has!
« Last Edit: February 05, 2009, 05:40:03 AM by Fordel »

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Reply #3817 on: February 05, 2009, 05:39:48 AM

So when is downtime? Has Sov flipped/popped?

Yes.  Bob lost all 119 systems at downtime.  Cyno jammers, jump bridges, sov 4 systems, unattackable stations: the lot.  Jump Freighters are pretty much pouring out at the moment, Sesfan is liberated from his prison in QY6...  What more could we ask for?

Band of Brothers is dead.

The unstronted POS with a Capital Ship Assembly Array we found in a formerly sov 4 system looks like being the next victim...

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Reply #3818 on: February 05, 2009, 05:48:54 AM

Man, that is glorious. I assume it's a total clusterfuck with everyone piling in?

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Reply #3819 on: February 05, 2009, 05:52:48 AM

Holy fuck.

Good riddance. They fucked up Hydra good back in the day and we are still having a damn hard time getting 0.0 access back, sigh.

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Reply #3820 on: February 05, 2009, 05:58:55 AM

BOOM, Headshot.

Hrm, I still have a lot of shit in QY6 too....
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Reply #3821 on: February 05, 2009, 06:06:36 AM

When you reflect back on it all.  It's been amazing what they planned at that BBQ.

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/influence.png
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Reply #3822 on: February 05, 2009, 06:17:48 AM

I can think of no more appropriate way for BoB to die.  What goes around, comes around.

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« Last Edit: February 05, 2009, 07:30:16 AM by Nevermore »

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Reply #3823 on: February 05, 2009, 06:20:56 AM

Man, that is glorious. I assume it's a total clusterfuck with everyone piling in?

That'll come tonight.  Should be a hot weekend, and you'd expect some of Bob's less worthless members to try some sort of stand: 119 systems is a pretty impractical number to take quickly, after all.  It's funny that Bob need Exe and Atlas (not as useless) to come and save them.  Maybe they'll even let the better PvPers and titan pilots join!

Anyway, that's the first cap ship factory pos popped.  Will the others have stront yet?  Time to find out!

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Reply #3824 on: February 05, 2009, 06:23:00 AM

Man, that is glorious. I assume it's a total clusterfuck with everyone piling in?

That'll come tonight.  Should be a hot weekend, and you'd expect some of Bob's less worthless members to try some sort of stand: 119 systems is a pretty impractical number to take quickly, after all.  It's funny that Bob need Exe and Atlas (not as useless) to come and save them.  Maybe they'll even let the better PvPers and titan pilots join!

Anyway, that's the first cap ship factory pos popped.  Will the others have stront yet?  Time to find out!

Pure Speculation:  Will the Pets rally to Bob's cause? 5 Weeks to get Sov 4 back is a long time.

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Reply #3825 on: February 05, 2009, 06:24:10 AM

Does BoB have a new alliance ticker yet? Or would that still need more time to register?

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Reply #3826 on: February 05, 2009, 06:25:22 AM

To the assorted GS people here though... doesn't this feel like a hollow victory? I mean, it's been pretty clear for a while now, even to a total outsider like me, that BoB were a dying entity and that GS were the superior military force. BoB had lost pretty much all respect from the EVE community a very long time ago and their eventual military defeat and humiliation was something that a lot of people were looking forward to seeing.

I think this will be far more entertaining -- big expanses of 0.0 with no sov?  Tons of corps and alliances interested in grabbing some space.  Those who don't give up and go home possibly reforming for revenge?  I predict all sorts of fun.  Damn.  Need more time for spaceship games.

Someone needs to start playing songs from Oklahoma! over Teamspeak for operations into Delve.
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Reply #3827 on: February 05, 2009, 06:26:34 AM

EVE Influence map updated: Special Edition to include all the sov changes  Oh ho ho ho. Reallllly?

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/20090205SE.png

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Reply #3828 on: February 05, 2009, 06:31:49 AM

EVE Influence map updated: Special Edition to include all the sov changes  Oh ho ho ho. Reallllly?

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/20090205SE.png

Can you post this on imageshack?  It's blocked at work.

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Reply #3829 on: February 05, 2009, 06:34:10 AM

Does BoB have a new alliance ticker yet? Or would that still need more time to register?

It takes 24 hours to create a new alliance.  Presuming that they already had one set up by downtime then their corpse - sorry, corps - can get into it by downtime tomorrow, and sov will start to claim after downtime Friday.

At that point they will start getting sov one in a week, but they don't get sov three and all that neat jammer/JB/building caps stuff until mid-March, while sov four would only be possible (I think) in May.

Pure Speculation:  Will the Pets rally to Bob's cause? 5 Weeks to get Sov 4 back is a long time.

Sov four takes a looong time to get back.  Bob will only be able to defend Delve if they have the morale to get into the NPC stations and fight back.  Their morale has been awful recently (and I bet we see that when the forums start to become more widely available) but maybe this will give them a rallying cry vOv

The pets - apart from Exe and Atlas, the latter of whom could fairly claim not to be a pet per se - are pretty awful, though.  See Fountain for details.  what Bob need is AAA, and if they start bouncing between Delve and Impass to defend then they could end up suffering like Bob did two years ago.  They'd be better off hunkering down behind cyno jammers with 13 titans and skimming off the remaining decent Bob pilots.

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Reply #3830 on: February 05, 2009, 06:39:22 AM

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Reply #3831 on: February 05, 2009, 06:46:30 AM

EVE Influence map updated: Special Edition to include all the sov changes  Oh ho ho ho. Reallllly?

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/20090205SE.png

This is pretty beautiful and might become the new desktop background to many (not me).  Oh ho ho ho. Reallllly?

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Reply #3832 on: February 05, 2009, 06:53:37 AM

Just cross posting from gs forums.

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Reply #3833 on: February 05, 2009, 06:55:25 AM

Had BoB made any kind of official statement?

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Reply #3834 on: February 05, 2009, 06:57:10 AM

Nothing yet, I assume they are waiting for a new alliance ticker to kick in and CAOD it in grand fashion somehow.

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Reply #3835 on: February 05, 2009, 07:00:06 AM

There are no goons is no bob.

No.


And this is as personal as it will ever get.

Goodbye.

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Reply #3836 on: February 05, 2009, 07:04:42 AM

linky

Quote from: db preacher
Well that sure made for interesting reading! Good to see BoB still creating content for eve. I won't go into the ins and outs of whether it's right or wrong because it doesn't matter, it's done (providing it wasn't outside of the EULA in which case I pity CCP trying to fix0r it).

When you cut through the chaff it doesn't actually change what bob is only the emphasis on their current war. They will lose their cap yards and a decent amount of pos over this but it's nothing that can't and shouldn't be replaced. Whether you believe it or not, they've lost proportionally similar isk amounts throughout it's history for a variety of reasons. Isk can always be regained if you want it.

With regards the name loss, BoB was never defined by its name, that's why we picked a silly sounding name in the first place. Personally, I would just grab a random new name and get on with restructuring the alliance. The morale blow to the guys on the ground on eve will be interesting but if they are true to what bob is then they will realise it doesn't mean squat.

I think it's as good a time for a clean out as there has been so this gives the current bob leaders a chance for a fresh start and fresh outlook without the stigmatism of history on them. Looking forward to seeing what is born out of this.

Sorta, BoB still pulls the strings, all losses can be replaced, we didn't want that name anyway, ok it's a bit of a morale blow but it's a good excuse to tidy up the alliance new alliance.
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Reply #3837 on: February 05, 2009, 07:13:27 AM

Since it's also CAOD friendly, This is the chatlog of BoB secure IRC as they discovered what happened.

<@LadyScarlet> <cflux> Mako: arkannen? arkanon? hes the internal security guy
...
<@Mako> who is arkannen
<@Mako> some with that name took al the wallet from hat
<@Mako> and left reson
<@LadyScarlet> huh
<@Mako> the mittani says hi
<@LadyScarlet> omg
<@LadyScarlet> you have got to be shitting
<@Dian> rut roh

« Last Edit: February 05, 2009, 07:20:00 AM by bhodi »
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Reply #3838 on: February 05, 2009, 07:26:17 AM

Really, it's the appropriate way to die. Not even a spy brought up in your ranks, just backstabbed by a traitor. It's oddly fitting for Eve warfare, the only metagaming that annoys me is offline stuff (hacking into forums, whatnot)

The chat log is priceless, just for the end. "Do we kick the guy who did this from the channel!?", um, Duh?
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Reply #3839 on: February 05, 2009, 07:27:25 AM

It's a morale blog but it's fair enough: Bob had become shitty, it had become bloated and a lot of people were leeching.  It is an opportunity for them to say "welp, kinda wanted that region but anyway..." and to focus on the elite-poopsocking, esprit-de-corps thing that they had til 2007.

Whether they will do so is another matter: some people are excited by this sort of fresh start but at least one name i recognise has already jumped ship (to Exe), and there are a lot of people in jump freighters running for Aridia when they should be getting their stuff into an NPC station in Delve.

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Reply #3840 on: February 05, 2009, 07:40:18 AM

I don't think a computer game has ever made me so happy, Im speachless!

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Reply #3841 on: February 05, 2009, 07:46:59 AM

I don't think a computer game has ever made me so happy, Im speachless!

I reaaaallly debated calling in sick today to stay home and shoot stuff in Delve.

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Reply #3842 on: February 05, 2009, 07:56:27 AM

In other news last night we all descended on HED like a swarm of locusts. knocked out the jump bridge and reinforced the tower and reinforced at least 2 towers, both of which were perfectly timed for goon prime.

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Reply #3843 on: February 05, 2009, 08:21:57 AM

I don't think a computer game has ever made me so happy, Im speachless!

I reaaaallly debated calling in sick today to stay home and shoot stuff in Delve.

Same here.

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Reply #3844 on: February 05, 2009, 08:22:06 AM


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Reply #3845 on: February 05, 2009, 08:31:46 AM

Jesus. There's no drama like EVE drama.

To the assorted GS people here though... doesn't this feel like a hollow victory? I mean, it's been pretty clear for a while now, even to a total outsider like me, that BoB were a dying entity and that GS were the superior military force. BoB had lost pretty much all respect from the EVE community a very long time ago and their eventual military defeat and humiliation was something that a lot of people were looking forward to seeing.

This just feels like a cheatcode win for GS. This leaves them with the eternal ability to claim that they only lost this war because of this event and not because of their own arrogance, poor tactics, underestimation of the Goons, treating their pets like chattel, etc etc. If this stays then it basically lets them off the hook imo.
Can there even be a military defeat for an entrenched entity like BoB?  I doubt it.  Morale victory is about the only way to do it.  I think we are dealing with the basic limitations of EvE.
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Reply #3846 on: February 05, 2009, 08:57:25 AM

That is f'ng awesome.
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Reply #3847 on: February 05, 2009, 08:59:16 AM

My my, this shakes up the situation.  So many interesting possibilities.
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Reply #3848 on: February 05, 2009, 09:18:17 AM

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Reply #3849 on: February 05, 2009, 09:20:21 AM


-a-, ra, rol, xdeathx, solar fleet, se are russian :D

oh hey look -a- is #1 in stations right now because bob lost 33  awesome, for real
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