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Nija
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on: July 12, 2006, 11:20:09 AM

I was playing MP with a buddy last night who is a 39 Summoner. He's a bit further ahead of me and he was telling me all day (on AIM) about how shitty Talos is and how badly he's going to kick my ass when I'm there. Blah blah "it's the only encounter so far that consistently kicks my ass"

Well, Talos killed me once. I had no idea that he had an attack that stuns you for 10 seconds and does about 1800 dmg. Once I knew that, he died easily. My buddy had to join a game and WATCH me do it, because he just couldn't believe it.

I fired it up again and recorded it this morning. Kinda cheezy, but shows my mmo kiting skills.

SOOFSAYER 4 LIFE.

http://content.eefoof.com/video/2292

It's funny how I usually end up with a totally broken build in every game I play. When I signed up with EQ2 to play on the PVP server I SPECIFICALLY looked for the weakest, most interesting class possible (dirge) because I've played nothing but overpowered shit for years and years.

The other video I have is killing the end boss on normal difficulty, which isn't too amazing really. http://content.eefoof.com/video/2160
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Reply #1 on: July 12, 2006, 11:27:07 AM

Looks like I'll have fun with my assassin eventually.

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Reply #2 on: July 12, 2006, 12:10:51 PM

Ranger is only moderately broken. Full-up puncture shot arrows decimate things if I can coax them into a straight line, otherwise I'm just a single-target moderate-damage guy who's really heavily stocked into piercing damage, so armored enemies are chumps and the undead make me scream like a little girl.

On the upside, fully-upgraded Heart of Oak means nothing's oneshotted me yet, even in Legendary mode. 5000 HP for the win.

However, melee bosses can be chumpified if I trigger my Trees ability at the right time; with good timing, meleers get 'stuck' between trees, unable to move, attack or die. They just kind of wiggle and spin until the trees go away; if you take their health to 0, they'll drop their stuff and keep spinning until the trees go away, and then they'll fall over dead.

Trees lasts 30 seconds and has a 2 minute recharge; if I trigger it too early or against ranged enemies, the enemies chop the trees down and I'm all Sad Panda
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Reply #3 on: July 12, 2006, 12:12:24 PM

I play a bow wielding slayer, kills pretty much any boss in a few seconds. Can't tank for shit though, so I get killed in one hit on legendary difficulty bosses. I don't even know who Talos is so I guess he died fairly fast  tongue
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Reply #4 on: July 12, 2006, 12:14:00 PM

Ranger is only moderately broken. Full-up puncture shot arrows decimate things if I can coax them into a straight line, otherwise I'm just a single-target moderate-damage guy who's really heavily stocked into piercing damage, so armored enemies are chumps and the undead make me scream like a little girl.

On the upside, fully-upgraded Heart of Oak means nothing's oneshotted me yet, even in Legendary mode. 5000 HP for the win.

However, melee bosses can be chumpified if I trigger my Trees ability at the right time; with good timing, meleers get 'stuck' between trees, unable to move, attack or die. They just kind of wiggle and spin until the trees go away; if you take their health to 0, they'll drop their stuff and keep spinning until the trees go away, and then they'll fall over dead.

Trees lasts 30 seconds and has a 2 minute recharge; if I trigger it too early or against ranged enemies, the enemies chop the trees down and I'm all Sad Panda

I hope you have study prey, it's the best skill in the hunter tree pretty much. I don't know exactly how the numbers stack up, but killing for example a zombie mob without study prey is 20~ arrows, perhaps more, with study prey on it's 2-3 arrows.
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Reply #5 on: July 12, 2006, 12:17:04 PM

 shocked

Next level or skill point and I will get that skill. I was avoiding it because it looked crappy.
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Reply #6 on: July 12, 2006, 01:51:24 PM

Talos took us like 5 mins to kill the other night.  That guy is crazy for a melee to even try.
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Reply #7 on: July 12, 2006, 03:35:16 PM

Talos took us like 5 mins to kill the other night.  That guy is crazy for a melee to even try.

Where is he? Sounds like he'll be tough.
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Reply #8 on: July 12, 2006, 03:40:38 PM

Knossos(spelling?) - near the end of the Greek Act. Where you first see the statue soldiers in normal difficulty, you'll see a huge statue that's immobile. He's not 'active' in normal, but he is in epic/legendary.

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Reply #9 on: July 12, 2006, 03:41:52 PM

From Nija's video, it looks like a lot of his big moves are heavily telegraphed, so it will just e a lot of "hit and run" for a melee.

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Reply #10 on: July 12, 2006, 03:44:04 PM

Well, keep in mind I'm hitting him with some stuff that slows his attacks by 33%, so they normally go off a bit quicker.
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Reply #11 on: July 12, 2006, 03:57:53 PM

Alrighty I did one of those epeen vids as well.

http://content.eefoof.com/video/2340

I'm using the dmg aura from hunting, call of the hunt and sudy prey.
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Reply #12 on: July 12, 2006, 05:02:58 PM

haha, shit. HAX!

edit: well, I've wanted to make a bow guy for awhile. That seals the deal. I've also got enough lighting equip that I MUST make a Storm based caster of some type. I had some good dual wield melee weaps but I just can't do it.
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Reply #13 on: July 12, 2006, 05:12:02 PM

haha, shit. HAX!

edit: well, I've wanted to make a bow guy for awhile. That seals the deal. I've also got enough lighting equip that I MUST make a Storm based caster of some type. I had some good dual wield melee weaps but I just can't do it.

Don't make melee. You suck later on. I'm gonna make an imba bow guy too.
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Reply #14 on: July 12, 2006, 05:22:42 PM

Bleh, am I gonna be the only guy man enough to stick with melee?

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Reply #15 on: July 12, 2006, 05:31:33 PM

Bleh, am I gonna be the only guy man enough to stick with melee?

Im a spear ranger and i think im gonna stick with it, i havent got very far yet but i think im doing ok.

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Reply #16 on: July 12, 2006, 05:32:32 PM

I have pretty imba items on my slayer though, and are level 49 compared to the 38 soothsayer. Hunting really starts to shine on the later difficulties compared to the other classes though, since it's pierce dmg. I don't know exactly how much armor and whatever pierce dmg ignores the mobs have at legendary, but I can still kill stuff in a timely fashion.
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Reply #17 on: July 12, 2006, 05:50:02 PM

haha, shit. HAX!

edit: well, I've wanted to make a bow guy for awhile. That seals the deal. I've also got enough lighting equip that I MUST make a Storm based caster of some type. I had some good dual wield melee weaps but I just can't do it.

Hunting/Storm sounds pretty cool; that was my original plan before I went into nature. Then I whined and bitched about nature until I realized the Heart of Oak & Trees! lines are pretty awesome.
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Reply #18 on: July 12, 2006, 05:54:24 PM

Bleh, am I gonna be the only guy man enough to stick with melee?


Still playing conqueror on Epic, still owning everything with ease. Somebody point me to a difficult to play combination. I don't so much think that there are overpowered builds as underpowered gameplay.

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Reply #19 on: July 12, 2006, 06:12:45 PM

Bleh, am I gonna be the only guy man enough to stick with melee?


Still playing conqueror on Epic, still owning everything with ease. Somebody point me to a difficult to play combination. I don't so much think that there are overpowered builds as underpowered gameplay.

Such a timeless quote in italics there.

Maybe it's just me then, because I basically get wtfpwned in Legendary.  Does everyone?  My chick @ L38 has some pretty sick equipment.  (someone should make a mod that lets you do a 1 shot print screen with all your equipment).
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Reply #20 on: July 12, 2006, 08:39:27 PM

I'm barely hanging on in some sections of Legendary Act 1 (undead sections and archer sections, mostly) while other sections aren't so bad (melee/tight corner sections).
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Reply #21 on: July 12, 2006, 10:10:57 PM

Bleh, am I gonna be the only guy man enough to stick with melee?

My juggernaut hasn't really seen much trouble though I'm only just starting Act 3 of normal. I do however have a problem with the worms from Egypt. What the hell is up with those? No matter what resists I got up they could take a hunk of my health in one hit (the greyish/blue ones.) I eventually went cheap and ran around them with my fire shield dinging them while I lobbed fireballs.

Oh yeah, the proc from the defense line that can do 20 something + healing per second is awesome. One boss wasn't doing any damage cause the healing was outdoing him and kept procing often enough for me not to have to use a potion. I'm sure that won't do much good once my health gets higher than 2000. By the way, do your skills go up as your skills points in the mastery go up? Or is the dmg and what not set in stone once you max it out? If so, Epic may be a bit tough.
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Reply #22 on: July 12, 2006, 10:41:28 PM

Yes those worms are stupid in melee. My Conqueror always kill them with my backup bow (without skills or +piercing damage).
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Reply #23 on: July 13, 2006, 01:22:19 AM

Reverse epeen vid. Talos nearly whooping my ass after I gained 4 levels tonight.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=DyqiiUXpvh8

I have an amazing new staff, but I guess the level difference is just too big. Before he was 44 when I was 38 - this time he's 50 at 42. Despite getting 3/4ths of the way through the Orient, my "strongest enemy killed" is still Talos. Egypt is way too easy.
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Reply #24 on: July 13, 2006, 04:55:17 AM

It didn't look like you had much of a problem there; just more running around than before.

Hopefully, I'll get to make a video of an Assassin going toe-to-toe with the guy. What did you use to make the video? I've never done one before.

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Reply #25 on: July 13, 2006, 06:00:59 AM

FRAPS would probably work best.
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Reply #26 on: July 13, 2006, 07:18:27 AM

I've been playing melee since day one and haven't started to suck yet.  This game seems much too easy, too.  I'm about to ditch it.  Righ still enjoys it, though.  His highest character is melee and hasn't started to suck, too.  I think some of you just suck at creating melee characters.

That's what I think, that is.

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Reply #27 on: July 13, 2006, 07:54:17 AM

There may be more paying attention to damage types as a melee specialist. My character has a stack of jewelery with different resistances for certain otherwise tricky fights. The biggest jumps between the chapters appears to be the reduction in base resistances. I noticed it when silly little skeleton casters started forcing me to quaff potions in Epic. A check of my character showed me that I now had a -40% cold resistance. Changed one ring and they became trivial again.

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Reply #28 on: July 13, 2006, 08:45:35 AM

There may be more paying attention to damage types as a melee specialist.

Indeed.  I was having a little trouble with the last guy on the first chapter until i picked up a couple lightning resist rings for my melee guy, after that it was a breeze just straight up tanking him.

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Reply #29 on: July 14, 2006, 09:04:14 AM

I made a 'big deal' out of Talos because he's messed up.

Here's the end boss on epic for comparison. The only thing that has changed between this and my longer Talos video is my helm and I gained one level. The hat just has more resists and a bit more armor. I've got max elemental resists in Epic (staff adds 60% across the board, that helps a lot) so I'll be at 40ish % already in Legendary.

However, I have -35% poison resist so that'll be my biggest weak point.

Higher quality versions are in http://nija.dyndns.org/TQ/ this dir but that's my home machine, so expect 40kps. (not sure why higher quality would be needed)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57NNvWJtFf4
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Reply #30 on: July 14, 2006, 10:07:39 AM

Err...could you explain what happens in that video? just looks like you wave your wand a few times and the guy dies....?

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Reply #31 on: July 14, 2006, 11:46:44 AM

Broken build. I've got ternion attack at 13/12 (+1 from an item) which gives me +8% or +10% elemental damage.  I've got a few more items that give +% to elemental damage but I'm unsure of the exact ammount.

I use "Dark Covenant" out of the spirit tree which decreases health over time and you get incredible energy regen. I regen something like 80 energy per second while under dark covenant.

"Refresh" from the Nature tree - instantly refreshes all skills. So I can run Dark Covenant 100% of the time.

"Unearthly Power" is a child-skill to Dark Covenant which gives me +50% elemental damage, +50% damage, and +50% vitality damage. (i'm not sure I have any vitality dmg) HOWEVER, my liche has a HUGE vitality attack that you see him use twice in that video, which takes about a quarter of Typhon's health each time he does it.

Now, with that crap going I've got a staff that does about 140 base dmg with tons of mods, it's nuts. About 800 dps before I hit that mastery shrine.

I'm using Ternion attack which is 3 staff shots at normal attack speed, so 800 dps x 3

Now I hit that mastery shrine and summon the pets, they're all basically max or close to it. DC at 7/6 becomes 12/6 or something retarded with mastery, so I'm regening who knows how much power (i'll screenshot this maybe tonight if there is any interest, just to see the math) and my unearthly power at 9/8, giving more than +50% elemental damage and 50% TOTAL dmg is now at ... 14/8? 13/8? Something nutty.


That big blue guy you see me summon is normally a 30 second summon. You can get him to about 1 minute 15 seconds I think if you max him, which I might do. The key to DC and that blue summon dude is the nature tree and refresh. Refresh costs like 120 energy and makes it so I don't have to wait 5 minutes to resummon the blue guy, like you normally do. Refresh can be used every 15 seconds I think. (Not sure exactly how long) Plus, being nature, I can heal myself. So running DC for it's 20 seconds (or however long) I can heal myself back up to full if needed and keep my 30 second summon guy out, all the while doing double damage, running at 166%, and regenerating 80 energy per second. When DC goes down, I just recast it, resummon my guy, then hit refresh, heal, and continue.

Sorry for the rambling but I've got a lot on my mind these days. I can take some sshots with some mouseovers that explain it much better than I can. I'll do that tonight.
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Reply #32 on: July 14, 2006, 12:04:38 PM

What's the signifigance of elemental damage?

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Reply #33 on: July 14, 2006, 12:32:39 PM

Staffs are either ice, fire, or lightning dmg. You can find items that give you +% damage or +hard numbers to certain damage types. Like a "double" ring that does something like +10% fire dmg +2-8 fire dmg. If you have +% elemental damage, that just means you can use a fire staff and get a bonus to damage and have an ice staff and also get a bonus to that damage as well, without finding an item that has +ice/fire % (i've never seen both on one item)

Now, sometimes you'll find a staff that is like 70 base fire dmg, +20% ice damage +15 ice damage. It would be much more useful if it had a base of actually ice damage so the big +20% stacks with that.

The weapon I have now is a purple staff called the Chromatic staff I believe. It does one of the following things each time i autoattack - 120 base fire damage OR 105-130 ice damage, OR 60-160 lightning damage.

With my item and skill based +elemental damage that makes every staff hit, regardless of the type that particular shot is, ridiculously powerful. That silly staff also has +% bonuses for all types of elemental damage, like +25% fire/lightning +27% ice. The list of stats it gives is a mile long.

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Reply #34 on: July 14, 2006, 12:44:11 PM

Working on a summoner myself, trying to work up Earth Enhancement and the Core Dweller ( With all it's extra skills ) added with Regrowth, Heart of Oak and Sylvan Nymph in the Nature tree. Would I do well to invest in some attack skill in Earth and/or the Wolves in Nature?

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