"Gamers don't want any more grief"

[Strazos]

A lot of people never played UO.

[Venkman]

Eve could very well be this generation's UO. Listening to newbie MMOGers talk about Eve is very similar to conversations about UO from way back.

[Hoax]

Unlike UO though CCP have proven time and again they just dont give a fuck what carebears want.  Somehow though instead of their game dying it has slowly built itself to immpressive levels via what appears to just be postive word of mouth...

What a crazy time to be alive... 



*how is proven not a word?  Why does the spell check hate me?*

[sinij]

Unlike UO though CCP have proven time and again they just dont give a fuck what carebears want.

As was proven countless times you can't appeal to both crowds in the same game, UO tried and failed. M59 didn't try it and is still around.

Current generation of gamers really disgust me – they expect instant gratification, minimum challenge and minimum thinking required in their entertainment, just like TV. Why did they moved away from being couch potato in front of a TV to being chair potato in front of mmog is beyond me. 

[Venkman]

Eve benefits from not needing a jillion players though, such is CCPs financial model (as evidenced by them still being around). UO getting sucked up by EA means it getting scrutiny from a different level altogether (similar to SWG and LA as well). If it was just OSI running things, I don't imagine the game would have slapped with so many changes to try and make it a mass hit.

[Yegolev]

You knew what was up when you bought the game, so take your azzrap0r with a smile or find something else to play.  /shrug

This is the one big difference for me between EVE and UO.  I was one of the people driven out of UO upon finding out that most of humanity was one big unsleeping evil in the absence of repercussions.  Move ahead eight years and I am enjoying dabbling in a game like EVE.  Sometimes I can't or won't deal with it, but when I want to play a dangerous and exciting MOG, you just can't beat EVE.  It's not just combat; you can take risks and lose your shirt in the market or be a ripped-off dumbass with the "black market" escrow system.  I see it for what it is, though, and when my ship is assploded I know for a fact it was because I was being a dumbass.  Getting killed in WoW was far more stupid-feeling, since there were times I pretty much HAD to go though Booty Bay or Tarren Mill to play the game as intended.  God damn Tarren Mill.  At least in EVE, I won't be ganked by someone twenty levels my senior before my UI finishes loading.

Also: I have no problem taking an extended break from EVE to play Princess Peach.  This is a new one to me in the MOG space.

[WayAbvPar]

That is part of the genius of EVE. When you get down or bored, you can take a week or two off (logging in just to keep skills training). When you come back, your character is slightly more useful than before, and you have a refreshed outlook. At least until the next gankage  :-D

[JoeTF]

At least in EVE, I won't be ganked by someone twenty levels my senior before my UI finishes loading.

Wow, I mean just WOW! You never died from lag in EVE?
Like where jump into battle and when your UI finally loads you're not only uncloaked, but being shot at by 50 guys? Or my favourite - you click undock, loading bar finishes and...you wake up in another station 20 jumps away?:) Or most typical case - you're in one of those 100vs100 battles, suddenly you see one guy starting to target your BS and since you're smart you instantly press warp out button, but the damn thing won't even react, untill 30 seconds later when you're properly scrambled and fired at by several dozen guys?

[Viin]

I've rarely had problems with lag in Eve.. but it does happen, and it will happen in any game online regarless of the play style. I don't think stuff like that counts unless it's a regular occurance (ie: SB).

[Kamen]

Unlike UO though CCP have proven time and again they just dont give a fuck what carebears want.

Oh really?  You obviously missed the assjillion PvP nerfs and the tons of new carebear oriented content added over the last few years in order to make the game also appeal to carebears.

As was proven countless times you can't appeal to both crowds in the same game, UO tried and failed. M59 didn't try it and is still around.

I'd say CCP has done a damn good job of making Eve appeal to both crowds.  CCP does indeed care what carebears want, and has grown Eve to over 130k paid accounts primarily by making the game appeal to more than just 16 year old wannabe griefers.  The Eve playerbase really does consist of a lot more than just hardcore PvP players.  For example, I have a very successful industrialist character that has engaged in PvP exactly once since his creation a year ago.  I also have characters that can engage in PvP whenever I like.  The game has enough content, and is structured in such a way, that I can enjoy both types of play by assuming the level of risk that I am comfortable with.

There are also quite a few semi-carebear players that really enjoy having more than just some retarded NPC risk to make their goals taste better when accomplished.  They don't mind manageable PvP risk, even though that's not what they are actively looking for in the game.

Current generation of gamers really disgust me – they expect instant gratification, minimum challenge and minimum thinking required in their entertainment, just like TV. Why did they moved away from being couch potato in front of a TV to being chair potato in front of mmog is beyond me.

The instant gratification crowd doesn't stay with Eve very long.  We have our share of leet speaking mouth breathers who sign up and expect to run around ganking everything in sight within days, but they don't last long.  Generally speaking I find the Eve playerbase a bit more tolerable than what I find in most other online games.  Dumbasses and lazy people get weeded out fairly quickly.

[Signe]

Your post got all goofy, Kamen.  Other than that, I have nothing to contribute.  EVE was easily one of the most boring games I ever tried.  But then, I'm a girl, what do I know?

[WayAbvPar]

Poor Signe. Eve has a shocking lack of hats for her.

[Toast]

Eve seems to be the antithesis of a female-friendly game in almost every way imaginable.

[Numtini]

As one of the very very few, the proud, and the hopelessly hit upon or ignored, Eve's subscription base is 4% women. There's a women gamers of eve channel, we voice verify to keep out the trolls and it's still pretty small despite a woman on the dev team filtering the sub list and mass emailing every woman subscriber about its existance. Of the dozen or so regulars, I think all but three of us got into Eve because of boyfriends, and of that three, two of us are dykes.

No. Not really woman friendly.

But we are there. Oceana, who was pretty high up in NBSI before it dissolved is a woman. There are others.

[Xanthippe]

I'd play it, but I don't want to be a spaceship.  I want a toon with bewbies that I can play dressup with.

[Hoax]

I'd play it, but I don't want to be a spaceship.  I want a toon with bewbies that I can play dressup with.

I look in the mirror all the time and think just that...

[Xanthippe]

I'd play it, but I don't want to be a spaceship.  I want a toon with bewbies that I can play dressup with.

I look in the mirror all the time and think just that...

Well then, get some! What's stopping you!??

[Mi_Tes]

Your post got all goofy, Kamen.  Other than that, I have nothing to contribute.  EVE was easily one of the most boring games I ever tried.  But then, I'm a girl, what do I know?

I am with Signe on this one.  The only types of games that interst me less than Eve are FPS. 

[schild]

Mi Tes is alive! Hi Mi Tes!

[Cheddar]

Sup Mi Ties (I just wanted an excuse to use my new avatard!)

[schild]

Your avatar is 847k.

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Yow.

[Cheddar]

Your avatar is 847k.

8
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Yow.

When you live life a quarter mile at a time these numbers mean nothing.  NOTHING.

[stray]

Righ's got Picard dancing, Ched's got the Firefly dude. I need that Twiki scene from the first episode of Buck Rogers.

[WayAbvPar]

Your post got all goofy, Kamen.  Other than that, I have nothing to contribute.  EVE was easily one of the most boring games I ever tried.  But then, I'm a girl, what do I know?

I am with Signe on this one.  The only types of games that interst me less than Eve are FPS. 

Doh! That is about all I am playing atm (at least on the PC). I have fallen in love with causing virtual death on the Internets I guess. Although in Eve I usually the recipient of said virtual death.

[Soln]

Righ's got Picard dancing, Ched's got the Firefly dude. I need that Twiki scene from the first episode of Buck Rogers.

Signe's wins.  (cf. Chapelle's Show)

[JoeTF]

BTW, why do you guys constantly mix consensual pvp (0.0 space) with ordinary scams (escrow/trade/etc)?

 

[Big Gulp]

BTW, why do you guys constantly mix consensual pvp (0.0 space) with ordinary scams (escrow/trade/etc)?

Because pimpin' ain't easy, shorty.

[Mi_Tes]

Sup Mi Ties (I just wanted an excuse to use my new avatard!)

Nice avatar!

[Trippy]

Your avatar is 847k.

8
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Yow.

There's something seriously screwed up with that GIF. It's only 13 frames long -- there's no way it should be that large in size.

When you live life a quarter mile at a time these numbers mean nothing.  NOTHING.

There's something seriously screwed up with that GIF. It's only 13 frames long, it should not be that large.

[sarius]

That is part of the genius of EVE. When you get down or bored, you can take a week or two off (logging in just to keep skills training). When you come back, your character is slightly more useful than before, and you have a refreshed outlook. At least until the next gankage  :-D

25 days until the next skill completes! WTF!?!

[Xanthippe]

Maybe I should get EVE and just run it like I run ProgressQuest (Xanthippe the Panda Man Tickle-Mime is level 46 now).

I could be uber without even playing, right?

If only I didn't have to be a spaceship.

[Yegolev]

Keep reminding yourself that you are really a person.  A person sealed inside a fluid-filled pod whose only interface with the outside world comes through sensor arrays and neural jacks.  You can still have boobies, and you can even be naked inside your pod.